6 Major Retailers Selling Real Fur As "Faux"

Six big retailers are selling jackets advertised as having “faux” fur, but the fur is actually from real animals. It’s not only mean, it’s a violation of the federal Fur Products Labeling Act. An investigation by the Humane Society of The United States * found jackets sold at Saks, Neiman Marcus, Lord & Taylor, Dillards, Yoox and Bloomingdales containing the faux “faux” fur. Much of the world’s fur is processed in China, a place where they skin animals alive for their fur.

Holiday Shoppers Beware: Six Major Retailers Selling Real Fur as Faux [Humane Society Of The United States] (* note: this is a different group than your local animal shelter)


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  1. num1skeptic says:

    wouldn’t it be easier to skin the animals dead?

  2. GOKOR says:

    Peta is evil anyway. Why do they think it’s ok to ruin people’s clothes, be vegans, etc.?

  3. hi says:

    easier but not as fun. kidding of course. both are fun. kidding again… really this time.

  4. Stan LS says:

    @gokor: If PETA ruined anything of mine, I’ld punch them in the face and then sue them for the destruction of property.

  5. SBR249 says:

    faux fur is cheaper than real fur right? Hmmmmm…

  6. AnnC says:

    What does PETA have to do with this story? They are not mentioned in either this site or the original article.

  7. Curiosity says:


    It does sound like a good deal possibly.. I wonder the quality, as well as if in the long run it has a smaller carbon foot print v.s. actually imitating the fur.

    I would imagine it would be difficult to literally skin animals alive. Though I do notice that PETA bothers old ladies, not bikers when protesting. (A debate for another time)

  8. mmcnary says:

    They’re skinning puppies alive. I can’t find any way to justify that, and I hate PETA with a passion…

  9. hypnotik_jello says:

    @Stan LS: PETA != Humane Society. I consider myself eco-veg-friendly and even I think PETA are nuts.

  10. nutrigm says:

    grrr China again! :E

  11. youbastid says:

    @Stan LS: Yup, it’s easy to sue someone after you’ve physically assaulted them ;)

  12. GOKOR says:

    @youbastid: You know, as you physically assault them I’d say it’s self defense after they physically assaulted you first.

  13. notec says:

    actually, skinning animals alive is a way to make the fur look better, its sticks up straight permanently because of the adreneline that is going through the animal. sad and true.

  14. Skiffer says:

    I think the post title should read:
    Faux “Faux” Fur Faux Pas

    But then people’s heads may explode…

    Also, PETA = People for Eating Tasty Animals

  15. num1skeptic says:

    that last line “skin the animals alive for their fur” like its supposed to tug on some heart strings. hello? how does society think we came to where we are? by hunting and gathering, which i could still do if it ever came to that. i would almost prefer to throw out the tech age and go back to little house on the prarie style.

  16. mopar_man says:

    PETA sucks. China’s treatment of animals sucks. Real fur is awesome for cold winters. That’s about all I have to say.

  17. stoptextingme says:

    @num1skeptic: The quickest methods of killing animals (like slitting throats) would damage the fur. In these horrible fur farms they usually budgeon the animal so that is unable to move then skin it while it is usually alive and sometimes still consious. The PETA website (though I hate them too) will have video but I don’t recommend viewing for anyone without the strongest of stomachs.

  18. bohemian says:

    There are two “humane societies” in the states. One is the one people commonly associate with running local animal shelters and the other one is the PETA clone. The “other one” purposely tries to confuse people into thinking it is the original humane society.

    On the issue of how places like China deals with fur. It makes me freaking sick. There was a bit on 20/20 about five years ago where they tracked some jackets back to their source and video taped the live dog skinning thing. It is just mind bogglingly disgusting and turned me off from every buying anything fur unless I knew the original source and their methods.

    I really dislike PETA and their tactics. When I lived in CA they were really big into vandalism on any facility that had anything remotely to do with animals. They were also big into the throwing red paint on old ladies wearing fur coats at that time. You can disagree with someone’s buying choices, you can even try to publicly shame them, but destruction of rather expensive personal property I don’t think so.

  19. Buran says:

    @stoptextingme: Here where I work (medical school) some labs kill animals for research. Unavoidable in some cases. But it has to be humane and painless for the animal. Two methods I can think of offhand that wouldn’t damage the fur are overdose of anaesthetic or dislocation of the cervical vertebrae (break the neck). There are other methods, of course, and which one is used for a given experimental protocol depends on the goal and on the animals used.

    I don’t see why those couldn’t be done.

  20. MaliBoo Radley says:

    I think this completely hilarious. I really hope there is some self-righteous, uptight, bitchy vegan wearing this real fur somewhere.

    I’m all for fur, leather, meat etc.

    I think fake fur stinks. I mean, if you think the concept of fur is repulsive, why perpetuate the style with fake fur? Man up and wear the real stuff if you like the way it looks.

  21. noquarter says:

    @AnnC: I think PETA is being talked about here because they’re a straw man that the fur-wearers of the world can talk down on. And thinking about animals being skinned alive requires some serious mental gaming to justify the wearing of fur.

  22. Buran says:

    @num1skeptic: Times change. We don’t see that as OK anymore. Besides, even simpler cultures recognize that animals should be respected and kill them in quick, ideally painless ways, and then thank the animal, or pray to its spirit, to atone for the death.

  23. valthun says:

    As far as the article and the claims yeah, those stores should be in real trouble for what they did. Or at least the manufacturer of the product telling those retailers that the product is faux when it is not.

    However I think this has very little to do with PETA no matter how much I think they are nuts. Granted it may cause some PETA protests in the near future in front of some of those stores.

  24. SBR249 says:

    I love to laugh at the PETA people

    *Oh NOs! It’s PHUUUUUUURRRRRRR! We just CANNOT have any of that! Think of the poor puppies/pandas/bears/Yetis/beavers/minxes/lions/ewoks/wookiees that we’d be killing!*

    I wonder what would happen if PETA got together with eco-fanatics and labor activists?

    *Oh NOs, we can’t wear PHUUUUUURRRR or plasticsssss and cotton is made by child labor! Let’s all go buck naked :)*

  25. Buran says:

    @radleyas: On the other hand, why not indulge in a style you like without causing unnecessary harm? We use synthetic rubber for many, many applications where natural rubber isn’t necessary so that it’s not necessary to cause deforestation in Brazil and other areas where rubber trees grow (yes, rubber is a plant product!).

  26. Buran says:

    @SBR249: Yuck, no thanks.

  27. IrisMR says:

    Hahahaha! Take that animal hippies!

    Wow, real fur for the price of faux (I hope?)… that’s great.

  28. UpsetPanda says:

    I’m not a huge fan of fur..I think in many ways, it’s done in a tacky fashion, and I actually feel bad for the poor animals because I’m not a believer in killing animals for anything but food. I don’t really understand hunting (done for sport, not for food) but I do know a lot of hunters eat what they catch.

    On the question of whether real fur is more expensive than faux fur and why they would market something as faux if it’s real….a lot more people are disinclined to buy real fur for the animal-cruelty reasons now, whereas years ago real fur was the only classy way to wear fur.

  29. ceejeemcbeegee is not here says:

    Y’all should bring this debate on Jezebel. I’m usually outnumbered by the PETA freaks!

  30. viriiman says:

    I’m not concerned with what PETA thinks, I’m more worried about Mankind for Ethical Animal Treament.

    “Unless this is a nude love in, get the hell off my lawn!”

  31. MaliBoo Radley says:


    I’m familar with natural latex and the para rubber tree.

    Why? Because I like fur and I like meat and I’m not going to be shy about it. I’m not going to deny the fact that animals suffer for my body and my dinnertable. Such is the nature of things. We’re at the top of the food chain for a reason.

    I’m not going to stop eating meat because there is a less cruel alternative (and tofu, tvp, tempeh are rather foul tasting, BTW). Why should I do the same with fur?

  32. GOKOR says:

    Some men hunt for sport,
    Others hunt for food,
    The only thing I’m hunting for,
    Is an outfit that looks gooooooooooooood…

    Seeeeeeeee my vest, see my vest,
    Made from real gorilla chest,
    Feel this sweater, there’s no better,
    Than authentic Irish setter.

    See this hat, ’twas my cat,
    My evening wear – vampire bat,
    These white slippers are albino
    African endangered rhino.

    Grizzly bear underwear,
    Turtles’ necks, I’ve got my share,
    Beret of poodle, on my noodle
    It shall rest,

    Try my red robin suit,
    It comes one breast or two,
    See my vest, see my vest,
    See my vest.

    Like my loafers? Former gophers –
    It was that or skin my chauffeurs,
    But a greyhound fur tuxedo
    Would be best,

    So let’s prepare these dogs,

    Mrs. Potts: Kill two for matching clogs,

    See my vest, see my vest,
    Oh please, won’t you see my vest.

  33. stoptextingme says:

    @Buran: This could easily be done if these people were not trying to mass produce fur in the quickest and cheapest manner possible with no concern for the pain and suffering of animals. They do not want to take on the time or cost necessary for proper euthanasia.

    I have no problem with the use of meat and animal products if it is done in the most humane manner possible. Chinese fur imports and really most US fur farms do not meet this criteria.

  34. savvy999 says:

    Anti-PETA rants are tired, old, and boring. What is this, 1988?

    I’ve got an Ollie North knock-knock joke, anyone want to hear it instead?

  35. Monkey4Sale says:

    You could just as easily inject a chemical agent into the blood to kill them, as well as putting them in a CO2 box, or snapping their neck. I doubt that they actually skin them alive. PETA rarely uses true information, much like their recent ploy to close down OHSU.

  36. Shadowman615 says:

    @bohemian: So, which ‘humane society’ is the one linked to here? And where is the website for the other one? A google search only turned up this one and other local branches.

  37. firestarsolo says:

    I do hope that the average PETA activist would not have the means to survive throughout history if they lived according to what they believe.

    There was one point where hunting was the sole form of survival…salted meats last a lot longer than any fruit or vegetable.

    Just another example of the people that would (in ordinary circumstances) be dead persisting through life and annoying everyone else. Hah.

  38. The HZA. says:

    PETA is a bunch of sensationalist jerkwads.

  39. Amelie says:

    It appears that because some people hate PETA, it’s okay for a store to defraud it’s customers.

    People have the right to assured that the product they are being, is what it’s labeled as. I certainly would be furious if I bought an item labelled “cotton” and found out it was “polyester.”

  40. Amelie says:

    @heathermylove: The RIAA is a bunch of sensationalist jerkwads, as are many celebrities. But neither they or PETA have anything to do with this the fraud perpetrated by these stores.

  41. youbastid says:

    @Monkey4Sale: No, they do. I’ve seen video of them nailing a snake to a tree and skinning it. Alive. Don’t see why they couldn’t do the same to a dog.

  42. NicoleItchy says:

    I’m not sure how this became an anti-PETA, ‘Hey we love killing animals, it’s fun!’ thread. This is CONSUMERIST and it is pointing out how brands and stores are illegally mislabeling their products. But …

    There is absolutely no reason that as civilized society should treat animals in this way when there are alternatives if you are hoping for a certain look, and alternatives if you are hoping to stay warm. When companies manufacture products in China they have a obligation to uphold the legal and moral standards of our country (same with human rights and child labor) and we should call them on it.

    Also, the true fact of the matter here is that China often uses dog fur. Earlier this year Sean Jean was found to have cocker spaniel fur. As much as you might be for hunting or eating meat (cows I would assume, and a completely different discussion) I don’t think anyone here would advocate killing dogs for food or fashion.

  43. arcticJKL says:

    Ok stores please label your fur as fur.

    Thank you.

  44. HannerHearse says:

    FOCUS, commenters. This story is about false labeling. PETA isn’t even mentioned, so your vehement hatred of PETA is totally irrelevant.

    Why do animal cruelty stories turn the best commenter forums into idiot parades?

  45. richcreamerybutter says:

    @radleyas: I mean, if you think the concept of fur is repulsive, why perpetuate the style with fake fur?

    I have never been able to figure this out myself. I don’t even wear fur, but don’t care if my coat has a fake fur trim. But to seek it out specifically? “I’m not cruel to animals…I just like to pretend I am!”

    I think most people will agree that PETA is a terrible, misogynist organization. Clearly thinking people can recognize and work against cruelty without resorting to their tactics. I’d pay to see them spray paint a fur-wearing hip-hop entourage in Chelsea on a Saturday night. Sadly, they feel it’s more appropriate to only target females.

    On tofu: it has an unfortunate reputation because of some people who want to use it primarily as a meat substitute instead of preparing it as it’s meant to be (especially in Asian cuisines). When paired with appropriate ingredients, it’s delicious. Too much will give you gas (and man boobs).

    I’m probably more adventurous than many when it comes to particular meats, and I’ve noticed people who outright “hate” tofu, tempeh, etc tend to be pretty mainstream in what they eat, period. This isn’t meant as an insult, just an observation.

  46. GOKOR says:

    @NicoleItchy: Is dog meat tasty? I’m not sure because I’ve never had it, but it may be the tastiest treat you could imagine.

    Anyway, I agree with the point of this topic, don’t mislead your customers.

  47. IrisMR says:

    @NicoleItchy: I don’t care if I wear dog fur. Or any fur. Let’s face the facts here, if you wanna be hippie, producing the “alternatives” pollute the world much more than chopping an animal’s fur off does.

    Then you can eat the rest of it! Chinese must love cocker spaniel meat!

    Going “poor poor animals, we should be more evolved!” is going against facts of life. Also, come on. If you kill a cow for a hamburger you should be able to wear their leather. Mmmm. Leather coats!

  48. richcreamerybutter says:

    @hannerhearse: @arcticJKL: Ok stores please label your fur as fur.

    Thank you.

    Focused enough for you?

  49. jejune says:

    (long-time vegetarian who loves animals and is annoyed by PETA)

    I think the real problem here is the mis-labeling. Consumers should get exactly what they pay for. Why the hell would someone try to disguise their product as faux fur when there are apparently plenty of people who are still into the real stuff?

    I don’t wear fur, and I don’t wear faux either because I think it sends the wrong message (that is, I don’t think wearing fur is ethical — why would I want to imitate it?). I would never ruin some old lady’s coat because I disagreed with her (or a biker’s leather, as stated in earlier comments). To be perfectly honest, animal rights protesters annoyed me a ton when I was a receptionist for a lab that did animal testing (on monkeys! primates! they’re just like us!!), and I never want to be like those people ever again.

    I AM, however, neurotic about the “slippery slope” argument. If one industry is allowed to legally misrepresent their product, why not other industries as well? I think there’s a real potential for abuse there.

  50. sethom says:

    Faux “Faux” Fur has lead in it?

  51. IrisMR says:

    @jejune: I love veggie animal lovers that don’t call evil other folks that have different beliefs and habits.

    Congratulations :P

  52. vanillabean says:

    @Curiosity: I’ve seen video of a raccoon dog wriggling as it was being skinned alive. It takes more work to kill it and then skin it (because skinning it obviously kills it.)

    I’m saddened by the number of people who are perfectly comfortable with the inhumane practices of fur farming.

    PS there are other animal welfare organizations besides PETA. Just because you find PETA offensive doesn’t make the practices of creating fur any less repulsive.

  53. ExecutorElassus says:

    @NicoleItchy: Actually, if you talk to any recent Korean immigrant (or Chinese) they think our ridiculous habit of disposing of all the dogs we gas at animal shelters is wasteful. There was some news story in the LA Times a while back about it.

    I think the folks here who do all the anti-PETA, top-of-the-foodchain hand waving would be really upset if someone came to their house and butchered their dog alive in front of them and their kids.

    And where are all the free-market people yelling about how we need to let the consumers make informed decisions?

    Seriously, these threads always fly completely sideways. It’s a bit of a disappointment.

  54. Monkey4Sale says:

    @youbastid: The problem with said videos is that if you see one (in PETAs case) you then assume that everyone is doing it. Just because one or two company/ies act outside the norm doesn’t make it the norm. Much like the logging industry, or Lobstermen, there are some that break the rules, but not the majority. Sadly it’s the minorty that fucks the rest of us over.

  55. PinkBox says:

    I’d never buy a coat if the so called fur on it looked even remotely real.

    I’ll wear it if it looks obviously fake though.

  56. I would have thought that anyone willing to shell out the kind of money required to obtain a Burberry jacket would actually know it is trimmed in real, not fake, fur. The use of genuine fur is one of the key ways to tell the real thing from a fake; and yes there is really a fake jacket market, sadly enough.

    The skinning alive thing is really upsetting. I’m glad I don’t own anything with fur . . . except my cat, but she’d likely tell you she owns me ;)

  57. Monkey4Sale says:

    @NicoleItchy: I don’t see anything wrong with killing a dog for food, though if he is using the cocker fur for fashion my allergies would go haywire (only spaniels, go figure). Just because our society uses dogs as pets doesn’t mean other cultures are not allowed to eat them. If I was offered dog meat I would not refuse it just because I have a dog as a pet.

  58. ms.darwin says:

    There is no excuse to wear fur in our day and age. Do you know why animals are skinned alive?? Becasue animals who are tortured their entir existence, living in cages waiting to be slautered, have NO VALUE to those killing them. It really makes me sad to read such ignorant comments regarding animals rights and suffering. Why is it, humans believe we somehow have jurisdiction over the planet and it’s creatures? This is the same mentality that gave KINGS there power, they believed they were ordained by god. The truth is, GOD is in every living thing on this planet. Humans to do not have a patent on life, love, and having a soul. Every living creature has the infinite capacity for love and understanding. What will be the human species legacy…..that we came, we evolved, and we killed every other thing on the planet for the simple fact that we could? Every living thing has it’s place and purpose, and they are not here for our use. We are a insult to GOD and CREATION, we with all the power, slaughter the defenseless. Instead of torturing and killing these beautiful souls, why can we not see their value simply as GOD”S living creations? And to think so much suffering is based on our GOD COMPLEX, somehow thinking there is this golden afterlife awaiting humans. The fact is, we have heaven right here on a living Earth. After we all die, it will remain. The only evil that exists here, is that inside the human heart. When we can slaughter at will something so innocent and defenseless, we do not deserve to walk this planet. Religion and arrogance have seperated us from the very creator, our earth. Our arrogance will be our demise.

  59. Monkey4Sale says:

    All chinese fur traders skin all animals alive in the same way that because you saw some not-your-race kid steal candy makes them all steal candy. If they said “blank” chinese company is known for skinning their animals alive, instead of a blanket statement, they would have a stronger point.

  60. Curiosity says:


    Hmm, well obviously I have no idea about skinning things alive, I mean unless they are bananas or oranges.

    But people are right this is a story about false labeling (or advertising) irrespective of the people who like a good deal irrespective of the means. This is like labeling lobster as shrimp and selling it to some however.

  61. Monkey4Sale says:

    @Monkey4Sale: If that is confusing, I’m saying the Consumerist is being a bit prejudice in their statement.

  62. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Eh, I’m pretty adventurous in my eating. I don’t mind a little tofu in my miso soup, but beyond that .. blah. I love edamame, but not it’s bastard child, tofu.

    Your point about those who try to make it taste like meat isn’t lost on me. Those people are as bad as the faux fur people. Fakin’ Bacon and all that shit gives me a right laugh.

    I don’t really worry about man boobs, given that I’m a lady with tits. I’m more concerned about women who over eat soy and mess with their cycles and so forth.

  63. MaliBoo Radley says:


    “The truth is, GOD is in every living thing on this planet. Humans to do not have a patent on life, love, and having a soul.”

    What if I don’t believe in god??

    Also, if you died in the woods, aminals would pick your bones clean. They wouldn’t look at you and think of you a fellow sentient being.

    I think we need the loony wagon for Ms.Darwin ..

    Also, I do hope the irony of calling yourselgf Darwin isn’t lost on you.

  64. BlondeGrlz says:

    @ms.darwin: Sweet Jeebus, shove it. Not what comments are for.

  65. ms.darwin says:


    Don’t really get your point. Animals should not be killed for their fur at all, it is shallow and pointless. Do you think people hired to slaughter animals have any concern for the animals’ well being? They work on qoutas, and time is of the essence. If the first blow to the head is not sufficient and the animal is still alive, they just start skinning. I have only one request for you, watch this video! I bet you can not sit through it [www.youtube.com]

    We can justify this why? Because we are human and this is our inherit right ordained by god? Watch the video and get back to me with your brilliant explanations for the human species lack of compassion and insight.

  66. machete_bear says:

    @ms.darwin: “Why is it, humans believe we somehow have jurisdiction over the planet and it’s creatures?”

    Interesting that you mention God and his creatures…

    “Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” Genesis 1:28

    It’s fine to protest cruelty to animals, just try not to look like such an uneducated tool while doing so.

  67. ms.darwin says:

    @ Blondegrlz

    By the looks of your screen name…not surprised you write in incomplete sentences.

  68. CumaeanSibyl says:

    I wonder if any clothing manufacturers have ever thought of buying up the slightly-crappy “vintage” furs you see in thrift stores or the back of people’s closets, and cutting them up for use in clothes. Obviously it wouldn’t be a mass-market solution, but it’d be kind of nice to see those old furs put to some use.

  69. IrisMR says:

    @ms.darwin: Give it a rest, overly spiritualgirl. All I want is my food. I don’t care if they mistreat my chicken as long as it goes in my plate. Afterall, it was born to be my meat.

    I just want them to feed them well.

  70. MaliBoo Radley says:

    We appear to have a troll.

  71. ms.darwin says:

    @ Machete

    I am not a christian and am not so ignorant that I let texts written by ignorant people in the dark ages, thousands of years ago rule my thoughts and life. This may be a shock to you, but CHRISTIANS to do have a monoploy on the belief of God. I am sentinent human being, who believes in Evolution and science. In fact the more we learn about Evolution and our planet, the more we learn about CREATION.

  72. BlondeGrlz says:

    @ms.darwin: Don’t start with me, nutcase. You’re crazy isn’t welcome here.

  73. ms.darwin says:

    Radelays….have you ever watched any video of these fur farms? Even if you yourself do not wear fur, it is a reality and our responsibility to own up to the horrible things the human species justify on a daily basis. Turning a blind eye only makes you complacent and a part of the problem. I really get a kick out of all of you are intimidated by real opinions about things that actually matter. If you would like to spar, do some research [www.youtube.com]

  74. CumaeanSibyl says:

    @ms.darwin: And you don’t spell very well. Your point?

  75. ms.darwin says:

    @ Blondegrlz

    Your iggnorance and arrogance are a testament to the human species. Crazy, for believeing every creature has a right to life without pain and suffering? If that is crazy, I want no part in your brand of sanity.

  76. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Are you kidding? That’s me in the video. The one with the stick who’s bashing the racoon. How did you get my family reunion videos? Am I on candid camera??

  77. ms.darwin says:


    Thank you so much for pointing that out. My point, in fact, is not grammer related.[www.youtube.com]

  78. ms.darwin says:


    Are you kidding? If you can honestly make a joke about something so disgusting,there is something missing inside of you. You are not insulting me by your ignorance, just yourself. Well done.

  79. Monkey4Sale says:

    @ms.darwin: Oh my god, look you have to check out this video, it totally proves that everything you see in videos is real

  80. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Nope, that’s totally me. You can’t see my face, as it’s a bit bloody. But I can promise that it’s me. That’s a typical family event for me.

    I’ll be honest, you’re insulting me by not believing me. I’m truly hurt. I’m going to go fill that hollow space inside with a fresh grilled whale burger.

  81. machete_bear says:

    @ms.darwin: Your argument is a bunch of ambiguous pseudo-spiritual smoke used to hide the fact that you know nothing about religion and/or science.

    Again, you are arguing with no basis save for a shock-value youtube video, against people who see through your shallow humanism. You don’t like furs, we don’t like being preached to; can we move on please?

  82. Monkey4Sale says:

    @ms.darwin: Just because you saw it in a video doesn’t mean everyone is doing it. To assume so is ignorant.

  83. ms.darwin says:

    @ machete

    I am approaching the completeion of my masters in EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY. I want no part in religion as it is supernatural bullshit.

    This video is not shock value my dear. THIS is were FUR comes from. Why is that so difficult for your simple intellect to grasp?

  84. Stan LS says:

    @youbastid: It’s not an assault if you are protecting your property :)

  85. ms.darwin says:


    Still don’t get your point. This is how animals are killed for their fur, their are several methods, none of which are humane. Get back to me with some humane slaughter of animals, and then maybe you will have some

  86. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Do you have any more of those videos? I love seeing the old gang again. Uncle Jed never look so full of vim and vigor as when he was skinnin’ a ‘coon!

  87. BlondeGrlz says:

    @Monkey4Sale: @radleyas: @machete_bear: Give it up folks. Ignore her, and she’ll go away. Let’s talk about something actually consumer related. Maybe we should ask her her credit score!

  88. ms.darwin says:

    @ monkey4sale


    You are RIGHT! How could I be so blind? That video isn’t real, I am still amazed by the advances of CGI.

  89. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Her credit score is a godly sentient being with a soul! Her credit report is like a living eden :)

  90. Jory says:

    Immaturity hour on The Consumerist. You should all be banned.

  91. ms.darwin says:


    Ha! I knew how shallow you were, you want to discuss consumerism. What a fucking shock?

  92. Monkey4Sale says:

    @ms.darwin: If you look the the right of your screen you’ll see a little arrow you can click on to reply to someones post. Saves you some time to continue your ill-informed tirade.

  93. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: “Why is it, humans believe we somehow have jurisdiction over the planet and it’s creatures?”

    Hey, Ms.Darwin, didn’t someone say something about the survival of the fittest? Didn’t you claim to be a grad student? You should know these things.

  94. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Oh, we’re just trying to use humour to diffuse a very silly situation. We could be flaming her with 4 letter words and so forth. We aren’t. We’re having a laugh. There are worse things in the world.

  95. machete_bear says:

    @ms.darwin: Then, as an evolutionary biologist, you would subscribe then to the notion that man himself is an animal, rendering your entire argument void.

    Nature is brutal baby.

  96. IrisMR says:

    @ms.darwin: PhD does not equal more intelligent than others. In fact, it equals “My god! I have a PHD! I cannot be fooled and therefore I am right in everything!”

    I am fine with where my fur comes from. I just hope they don’t waste the meat. You know, let’s find a use for everything.

  97. ms.darwin says:

    @ Radleyas

    It is true, even you yourself are a creature of god. A true testament to the infinite span between human’s capacity for ignorance and intelligence. You of course ,are at the very beginning of that spectrum.

  98. IrisMR says:

    @ms.darwin: Okay. I gotta ask. Are you a IDist passing off as an evolutionist?

  99. ms.darwin says:

    @ stan

    Survival of the fittest is in reagrds to those creatures within THEIR species which hold stronger genes and pass those onto their offsprnig. Survival of the fittest is not some kind of excuse for ” we are stronger, so we may kill at will”

  100. MaliBoo Radley says:


    It isn’t? Damn .. I’ve got some explaining to do about all those bodies. Boy is my face red!


  101. ms.darwin says:


    Animals who are killed for their fur, are not EATEN. Please do some research. After they are skinned alive, their bodies are left to rot. Talk about WASTE!! It is a waste of life!. Oh wait, a fur trimmed Sean John jacket is sooo worth an animals’ suffering. You look so dope!

  102. MaliBoo Radley says:

    A troll fur coat would be an awfully warm antidote to the winter blues.

  103. ms.darwin says:

    Yes this may be a consumer issue, but the root of the concern is that this is real fur! Real fur that comes from animals who are killed. [www.youtube.com]

  104. IrisMR says:

    @ms.darwin: Oh… That’s a shame their meat is not used. Truly.

    Oh well! At least they keep their soft, warm fur.

    I should hunt myself a bear. Bear skin is SEXY!

  105. CumaeanSibyl says:

    @ms.darwin: You’re the one who brought up grammar in the first place. Generally, it’s not a good idea to do so if you’re not confident of your abilities.

    Oh, and you spelled my name wrong. :)

  106. ms.darwin says:


    Is your simpson’s avatar supposed to be depiction of your very self? If so, I am shocked that a Butch lesbian, who drinks pabst, and likes to fuck her girlfriend with a stap on would be a little more enlightened.

  107. IrisMR says:

    Oh there we go, she just crumbled into lowly insults. Ran out of arguments I guess.

  108. MaliBoo Radley says:

    Wow! That was too easy.

  109. ms.darwin says:


    yes, killing a bear would make you very very sexy.

  110. wessev says:

    When you look around and see how humans treat each other, do you really think we are going to treat animals any better? Ahhhh humanity, how we deserve the extinction we have coming to us.

  111. IrisMR says:

    @ms.darwin: I was more thinking of the fun time over it.

    The kill would just make a glorious finish picture with fellow hunters.

  112. ms.darwin says:


    None of those are insults, just simple confusion about how you can be so ignorant. Really I would expect more from a Simpson’s loving pseudo intellectual.

  113. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: “Survival of the fittest is in reagrds to those creatures within THEIR species which hold stronger genes and pass those onto their offsprnig.”

    No, what you refer to in above is a concept called “natural selection”. Are you sure you are a grad student?

  114. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Hey, I consider it a compliment! Whatever puts distance between me and you is a positive thing :)

  115. ms.darwin says:


    Yes, instinction awaits us. We are just animals like every other mammal…with this one key difference, there has never been a more destructive species to walk this planet than the very one we have all been born into. Being a part of this self aware species, gives us the responsibilty to protect the Earth and it’s creatures against the destructive evil that is humanity itself.

  116. MaliBoo Radley says:


    What is “instinction”?

  117. ms.darwin says:


    See that’s the thing I don’t get, we are so much a like with the exception of compassion. Funny thing.

  118. num1skeptic says:

    i want the burberry in the picture!

  119. MaliBoo Radley says:


    So, you eat baby seals too? I thought I was one of the few …

  120. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: “Being a part of this self aware species..”

    It appals me that a fellow human being can be so speciest!

  121. MaliBoo Radley says:

    Speaking of baby seals, and this isn’t a joke …

    My grandmother had a seal skin coat. It was one of those thing that had been in fashion in the 40’s. She never wore it when I knew her .. that time had past. What I do remember was that it was incredibly soft.

  122. num1skeptic says:

    ms darin: are you suggesting that because someone enjoys a humorous show like the simpsons, (which is the longest running t.v. series of all time like it or not) that they obviously are idiots?

    yeah that does make sense, ya know since your not allowed to have a brain and a sense of humor.

  123. MaliBoo Radley says:

    @Stan LS:

    I think it’s funny that she thinks she’s self-aware.

    I hope everyone else is having as good as time as I am.

  124. num1skeptic says:

    are you suggesting that because someone enjoys a humorous show like the simpsons, (which is the longest running t.v. series of all time like it or not) that they obviously are idiots?

    yeah that does make sense, ya know since your not allowed to have a brain and a sense of humor.

  125. ms.darwin says:

    oh yes….let’s correct that…extinction…thank you so much

  126. Stan LS says:

    @radleyas: That’s cool, but when will they start selling tuna safe dolphin?

  127. num1skeptic says:

    whoops sorry for the double post. my pc is acting sloooooooooooow

  128. MaliBoo Radley says:

    @Stan LS:

    I’ve been asking that question for years. I’m sick of picking tuna chunks out of my dolphin salad sandwich.

  129. jejune says:

    @IrisMR: Thanks! I like to think that people with any strong belief will eventually grow out of the haranguing “look-I’m-better-than-you” phase, but um… unfortunately it never happens for some people.

  130. ms.darwin says:

    @ Num

    hahahahahah…none you missed the point honey…I expect Simpson’s watching, pseudo intellectuals to be SMART.

  131. IrisMR says:

    @radleyas: Yes, they are mighty soft. I touched a seal skin coat myself too. A mother of a friend had one. No wonder they are so sought after. It’s unbelievably wonderful. No synthetics can be as soft.

  132. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Why would you expect a pseudo-intellectual to be smart? Do you not know what that phrase means?

  133. num1skeptic says:

    @ms.darwin: well than stick a fork in me, cuz i’m done.

  134. ms.darwin says:

    This is not about anyone being better than the other, just a little more clued in to that whole compassion thing.


    I actually do not believe that we are the only species to be “self aware”

    The sad thing is we humans are, we can understand the suffering of other creatures yet do not care.

  135. MaliBoo Radley says:


    No, a synthetic cannot be as soft. Besides, the synthetics are usually made from petroleum products. I would think that the same crowd that appals fur would really go nuts over move petrol consumption.

  136. Stan LS says:

    @radleyas: I bet she thinks she’s one ;)
    And she’ld be right, too!

  137. MaliBoo Radley says:


    That’s true. I understand your suffering and I don’t care.

  138. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: “The sad thing is we humans are, we can understand the suffering of other creatures yet do not care.”

    Ofcourse we care! Why do you think mink coats are so expensive?

  139. MaliBoo Radley says:

    @Stan LS:

    Virtual high five!

  140. machete_bear says:

    @ms.darwin: You’re fighting a losing battle in the wrong place. I would give it a rest if I were you, lest the banhammer finds you unfavorably… actually, keep it up.

  141. GOKOR says:

    A few people here seem to miss the point between “we’re at the top of the food chain” and “let’s slaughter all the animals for fashion because we can.”

    Also, considering these places are “farms,” they are not going out finding every animal on the streets and slaughtering it. They are using the resources they have harvested and personally invested into.

    Slaughtering dogs is no different than livestock. I’m not sure if all the farms use coats and meat, but then not all ranches use everything on the cow or chickens either.

  142. IrisMR says:

    @jejune: I know. I love fur and meat myself, and I feel strongly about it. I believe I have the right to like it. But unfortunately, when some know it alls call me cruel ignorant for buying real fur and enjoying a t-bone and then starts babbling about gods being in every creature, I get sorta aggressive. No one bitches my t-bones.

  143. ms.darwin says:

    I ask all of you this……..

    Why is it that animals have the capacity for extreme compassion that does not directly serve them? I.E. Animals that protect other species. It has been well documented, that some animals will step in when another species is in danger, saving their life. Isn’t that amazing? Yet, we still view animals as souless and disposable.

  144. MaliBoo Radley says:


    That’s exactly how I feel. Very succinct.

  145. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: Thats gigglez! You should watch some national geographic or something. Lions don’t exactly electric shock their prey. I think cows are in danger of overpopulation, hence I help keep their numbers down by eating steak.

  146. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Why do ask? I mean, you’ve made it very clear that you think we’re all a bunch of ninnies. Why would you value the opinion of a bunch of so called ignorami?

  147. ms.darwin says:


    Your insight and understanding is as deep as an abyss itself. Yes you do have the right to do whatever makes you happy. I too have the right to live my life completely differently than you and point out how arrogant and ignorant you are.

  148. IrisMR says:

    @ms.darwin: Because they are mammals and mammals care. Like some of us would run to protect a puppy, or feed a bird rejected by the mother, they will protect other species as well (Seen the squirrel that was nursed by a dog?)

    A crocodile, on the other hand, will love to eat you. Lizards aren’t quite loving and caring but you know, I don’t wanna eat a lizard. Or a fish cuz I think it tastes awful. I prefer mammal meat. And by the way, killing is going both ways. Try to be compassionate to a wild lion. Or a bear that doesn’t like you. A hungry animal will see you as a snack.


  149. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Yeah, you have a right to share your opinion. You did that. Put an egg in your shoe and beat it.

  150. youbastid says:

    @Monkey4Sale: How about the fact that every “blank” Chinese factory is known for doing everything the cheapest and most hazardous way possible?
    I’m a pretty tolerant “bleeding heart liberal.” But sorry, I’ll be pretty intolerant when it comes to anything that goes on in a Chinese factory. My liberal side says it’s a symptom of the problem and not the problem itself, but either way, I have no problem having a general suspicion towards the haphazard and dangerous way anything in China is mass-produced. It’s one blanket generalization that’s fair in my book.

  151. IrisMR says:

    @youbastid: There I gotta agree. I’m a bit awkward towards China’s ways. The lead in the toys, the poisoned pet food… I’m not too fond of them. They are sloppy.

  152. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Ditto. And you can’t go to store without buying a bunch of stuff that comes from China. Hard to find much that isn’t made there these days.

  153. ms.darwin says:


    No life is indeed not a Disney movie, very insightful. There is a natural food chain, that we have distorted. We have removed our selves from the natural order by killing everything from the predators to the prey. If things continue, there will only be us.


    I am not sure how trapping wild animals, keeping them in cages, breeding them, somehow gives us license to then slaughter them. Where does this mentality come from? That we as humans can somehow blur the lines of “survival” and kill animals for FASHION! In all honesty, I am confused by your thought process. The truth is we are all living in this “MYTH” of human importance.

  154. Stan LS says:

    @youbastid: You are profiling :( Racist! :P

  155. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: “There is a natural food chain, that we have distorted…” Uh, no. We are at the very top, hence we get to eat and wear whatever we want.

    “The truth is we are all living in this “MYTH” of human importance.”

    Well, if you consider that your own importance as a human is a “MYTH”, that’s fine with me.

  156. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Well, why not reintroduce yourself to the food chain. Stop living indoors, gather your food from wild plants, use no weapons, wear no protection. You’ll be dinner in no time.

  157. Monkey4Sale says:

    @ms.darwin: Male Dolphins (in groups of 3+) will seperate a female from the group and continuously rape her and kill her young. Animals are so much less cruel.

  158. ms.darwin says:

    “The greatness of a nation and it’s moral progress can be judged by the way it treats it’s animals” Ghandi

    Oh the crazy company I keep


  159. IrisMR says:

    @Monkey4Sale: Seriously? It’s the first time I hear that one.

    One more reason for me to think dolphins are creepy :P

  160. IrisMR says:

    Ghandi? You quoted ghandi? The guy that liked giving enemas and slept with young girls?

  161. MaliBoo Radley says:


    And basically disowned his son for being a muslim.

  162. IrisMR says:

    @radleyas: and hated black people.

    I guess you should treat animals better than africans by Ghandi’s principles.

  163. youbastid says:

    @num1skeptic: Correction: longest running animated series. Not longest running series. Wooo, let’s get this flame war going in all kinds of crazy tangents!!

  164. youbastid says:

    PS – Macs are better than PCs!

  165. Monkey4Sale says:

    @IrisMR: Seriously, though not a dolphin, my aunt was sexually harassed by a dolphin. Dolphins are mean sex offenders. The men will dominance fight stabing each other with their penises.

    Also, Elephants create the grasslands by tearing down trees wherever they go. Beavers flood plains killing tons of animals in the process. Lions have been known to kill just for the fun of the kill.

    To assume that it is only people that are destructive of their environments shows a failure to pay attention to the world around. We are not the only species that fails to be ‘humane.’

    The classic example is Orcas playing with their still living food (domestic house cats do the same, but they are domesticated which I guess says something?) by throwing it around, bashing it against rocks, playing tug-of-war with ‘friends.’

  166. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Well, there isn’t anything better to do. These last couple days before the holidays are so slow.

    That reminds me .. who’s coming to my house for roast spotted owl? I serve it on a bed of baby minks and the tears of liberals.

  167. num1skeptic says:

    @youbastid: seriously though, doesn’t simpson have more episodes than any other series, or have they just had more seasons? i don’t know why i care, i just can’t help myself.

  168. IrisMR says:

    @Monkey4Sale: Wow… Well thanks, I learned something today!

    Guess they are heartless species that need to become more globaly aware. They are meant for extinction. Absolutely. They destroyed their place in the food chain. But I guess it’s fine for them since they don’t wear the fur of their kills! (Lucky bastards, they have their own.)

  169. youbastid says:

    @num1skeptic: Not sure what the longest running show is, but SNL has been around way longer.

  170. num1skeptic says:

    @Monkey4Sale: sexually harrassed by a dolphin? lmao! that brought tears to my eyes! whats even funnier is i think your actually being serious. too much.

  171. Confuzius says:

    I think the real issue here is an error in translation. Obviously “Faux” is the English name for the Chinese Raccoon/Fox/Dog. Problem solved!

  172. ms.darwin says:


    hahahahaha…yeah, I am sure you are morally superior to Ghandi. Your comments is so ignorant it is beyond words

  173. ms.darwin says:

    Dolphins have very complex social systems, that we do fully understand.

    Some species of Dolphins kill smaller lesser species of Dolphins as well.

    This is all interesting but has no relevance on the subject. Still, there is no more destructive species than human beings. When dolphins begin dumping nuclear waste, driving every other species to extinction, and poisoning the global environmnet…you may just have a parallel to argue

  174. IrisMR says:

    Oh, I never said I was morally superior to him. Sure I don’t like shoving tubes up someone’s butt or spit on africans, but I have my flaws as well.

    But I think that you pick your heros very well, darling. He suits you.

  175. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: During the WW2 Gandhi penned a letter to the Brittish people urgin them to surrender to Nazis. He also had some vile things to say about Jews/Holocaust.

  176. ms.darwin says:

    HOLY SHIT……Jezebel bloggers morally opposed to Ghandi…what a fucking laugh you are

  177. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: Dolphins would if they could. Why should we be ashamed to be a part of the winning species? Why do you hate yourself?

  178. ms.darwin says:

    Honestly…..you are so high and mighty with your insecurity.

    Ghandi / Jesus…you bloggers are doing so much good for the world

    Has anyone heard that thing about people who live in glass houses???

    Serioulsy, you are all so funny


  179. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: You are the insecure one here. I am secure enough in my humanity to wear fur. Are you?

  180. IrisMR says:

    Darling, without nuclear power you wouldn’t have electricity. Without pollution you would not have computers and cars. Without animal hunting you would not be alive. Without animal testing you would not have biomedical science.

    Even “clean” things have their flaws. Eolians kill birds, hydroelectricity floods massive territories.

    Basically, you wanna live in the dark ages.

  181. DanGarion says:

    Seems to me that the problem is with the company that makes the items, not the retailers.

  182. DanGarion says:

    @ms.darwin: I doubt they just waste the carcass, I would think they could feed it to pigs, they feed them just about everything else according to ‘Dirty Jobs’.

  183. IrisMR says:

    Yea… Unless they have proof that the retailers knew it was real fur, they are not at fault to me.

  184. ms.darwin says:


    Amazing once again…Point being sweetie, we are not doing a great job on this planet. I do not wish to live in the dark ages, I wish humanity to become enlightened, stop using this planet as toilet for our shit. A good starting point would be to stop the pointless slaughter of animals for FASHION. Please in as few words as possible…justify to me why we have the right to skin animals so we can have fur trimmed parkas in fucking macys. I know it is going to be soooo good.

  185. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: “Please in as few words as possible…justify to me why we have the right…”

    That’s BS, why don’t *you* justify why we do NOT have the right?

  186. ms.darwin says:


    Ok, find some research that shows that animals skinned alive for their fur are then fed to pigs? Or is this a completely hypothetical situation you have dreamed up to justify the initial killings. Sorry, I really don’t get it or your point.

  187. IrisMR says:

    @ms.darwin: So you would rather we stop the “pointless” slaughter of animals for fashion and start polluting the planet more for production of synthetic fibers? Pollution will kill poor fishies, no? And animals? Also, we should stop living in houses, right? That requires timber. Animals live in forests!

    I think we need to use even less synthetic fibers. More cotton and more fur for a warm wintercoat!

    And darling, where would you put your shit? Space? Too bad you’ll need to burn a LOT of fuel that would pollute a lot to shove it there (And it’s not a great idea too.)

    Face it. Progress is dirty.

  188. ms.darwin says:


    Why? Because every creature is here for a reason, to live. Earth has not been evolving for HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of years just so humans can come along and slaughter at will every other living creature. This is not “survival of the fittest” It is the destruction of the very thing that gives us life, pretty smart. Nothing has the right to kill anything in the name of GREED. If you think an animal was born purely to be tortured and killed by humans, you are as mislead and ignorant as a Christian.

  189. IrisMR says:

    EVERYTHING YOU DO is the destruction of what gave you life unless you start going back to the wild.

  190. ms.darwin says:


    Seriously, do you pull all of this out of your ass. Please stick to the point. Stop putting words in my mouth and assuming what I believe. No, we don’t need synthetic fibers to make fake fur. Hell, we don’t need fucking fur. I wish you would make sense with your points.

    Here it is for you, plain and clear

    The killing of animals for their fur is pointless and cruel..tell me why it is not pointless and cruel..ok?? U N D E R S T A N D ?

  191. Stan LS says:


    “Because every creature is here for a reason”

    What’s the reason? I thought you didn’t believe in G-d. So, what’s the reason?

    “Nothing has the right to kill anything in the name of GREED.”

    That’s not an explanation of where that right does or does not come from. Who grants these rights? Point me to the document.

    “you are as mislead and ignorant as a Christian”

    Uh, I am not a Christian, but a lot of my friends are and I think you owe them an apology for misrepresenting their beliefs in such a vile way. Disgusting!

  192. ms.darwin says:

    @ IRISMR

    Even better..take a second, take a deep breath..watch this…and tell me why this is ok?


    I honestly want to know how this can be justified in this century

  193. IrisMR says:

    @ms.darwin: When the bloody hell did I say we needed to make *synthetic fur*? I’m speaking of the synthetic fibers INSIDE your coat. The ones that keep you warm. Do you think they come from a faerie land? No. They are produced and treated in a factory and they pollute in the process.

    Wearing a furcoat is more environmentally aware to me.

    As for the cruel part, I could swear I already said I don’t care about how my food and clothes are treated.

  194. Buran says:

    @stoptextingme: Call it “cost of doing business” but “it takes too long and costs too much” is not an excuse when we’re talking about living creatures. I’m not a vegan by any means but I do have principles.

  195. Buran says:

    @radleyas: I’m not suggesting you go become a vegan or anything, but for things like meat you HAVE to kill an animal to get it. For rubber, you don’t HAVE to cut down a tree, and to get a fur coat, you don’t HAVE to kill an animal. Better to do no harm.

  196. ms.darwin says:


    Once again…Christians DO NOT have a monopoly on God. I believe in God as I believe in Evolution, they are one in the same. Hard for you to wrap your futile brain around, huh?

    Everything has the right to a life without pain and suffering. We are not talking about killing for survival here baby boo. You seem riled up, good. If you are strong enough, doubtful..watch a video inside a fur farm…answer me what is CHRISTIAN about slaughtering animals in such a painful way for FASHION. Jesus loves all his creatures, but prefers his Sean John dog coats a lot more.

    And no, I do not wish to apologize to Christians or any other religion for that matter. Religion is the very thing that gives humans their insane arrogance.

  197. Rusted says:

    Ah, PETA going after little old ladies with fur….and not going after bikers in leather. Not un-entirely dumb. I could just see a biker gang getting very even.

    It’s those vegans that worry me, just think of all those defenseless veggies.

  198. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: “answer me what is CHRISTIAN about..”

    Huh? You are the only person on this thread who keeps harping on about Christianity. You got some deep, deep, issues.

    Why don’t you watch a video of lions hunting, tearing apart and eating their prey. Then tell me “what is CHRISTIAN about it”.

  199. ms.darwin says:


    Here you go….justify away please, I am sincerely interested to see what you have to say


  200. ms.darwin says:


    stan..what’s wrong can’t watch the video????

    Lions kill for SURVIVAL…once again you are too eager to speak and not THINK. We do not skin animals alive for our survival.

    Animals do not practice religion, only humans are that stupid.

    Hello??? Are you awake???? My point is RELIGION gives humans the license to whatever they seem fit, no matter how cruel. Why? Because the bible tell us we were created in god’s image and a bunch of other utter bullshit.

  201. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: You still haven’t answered any of my questions. What are these supposed “rights” that you keep harping on about it and what does Christianity have to do anything on this thread, besides your hate for it?

  202. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Well, it’s six of one half dozen of the other. Either I wear the real fur, or I wear fake fur/rubber that is made from petroleum. At least the animals are a renewable resource.

  203. ms.darwin says:

    @ STAN

    let’s keep to the point…you want to justify our RIGHT to wear fur…come on then..sock it to me, coward

    oh yeah…someone is too much of a pussy to watch this and their name is STAN


  204. Stan LS says:


    Lions and humans have different needs. A lion wouldn’t spend hours on a blog, whining about fur, would it?

    “My point is RELIGION gives humans the license to whatever they seem fit, no matter how cruel. Why?”

    Hah! So being an atheist is being humane, then? That’s a laugh. Communists, fervent enemies of religion, have killed around a 100 million people in less then a century. You are so ignorant it’s sad.

  205. MaliBoo Radley says:


    I watched your video. It was delicious. Please send more!!!

    No one needs to justify their right to wear fur, eat meat OR to not wear fur or not eat meat. It’s a personal choice. You choose not to. That’s cool. We choose to. That’s also cool. You have to allow people to be who they are. You can’t control them and you’re not providing any kind of convincing argument.

    No one is trying to tell you what to do. Why do you insist on tell us what to do?

  206. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: Huh?Wearing FUR is a legal right that I have. I don’t have to “justify” it, I have it.

  207. ms.darwin says:


    wow…..you really can’t do it can you? If you are going to be so brave to support the fur industry……watch the video….it is completely legal and your right you know….but tell me why this is necessary????


    I am not telling you what to think but to simply THINK

  208. MaliBoo Radley says:

    @Stan LS:

    Hey Stan .. I’m an Atheist.

    Communist in Russia, China, Vietnam, Cambodia et al murdered millions because they were power hungry dictators, not because they did not believe in god. They were commies that happened to be Atheists. Alternately, the were simply people who were trying to eliminate competition. Religion has always been in conflict with blind love for fearless leader.

    Anywho .. carry on.

  209. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Killing in that manner is necessary because it’s cheap and efficient.

  210. Stan LS says:

    “.but tell me why this is necessary????”

    A lot of things are not necessary. Like this argument. It’s not necessary. I already have a right to war fur, hence me justifying anything to you is not necessary.

  211. Stan LS says:

    @radleyas: Hey, man, I was born in the USSR and spent a part of my childhood there. I don’t need a history lesson :)
    My point is that having religion or not has nothing to do with what Ms. Darwin is attributing to Christians.

  212. ms.darwin says:

    hahahahah Stan

    and why is that killing necessary in the first place?????…oh..did you watch the video?? a simple yes or no is suitable

    Once again…just because I am not a Christian and do not belong to any other religion DOES NOT mean I do not believe in god. Of course there is a god, we as humans are just not capable of understanding how complex our universe is. The more I have learned about Evolution, the more evidence there is to me that there are powers we will never understand. And those creatures you see being brutally murdered, whose only wish is to LIVE, they have this thing called GOD inside them as well. Yep, when I WATCHED the video, I would much rather be part ofb those dogs species than that disgusting human killing for MONEy not survival

  213. asscore says:

    Where can I get some Chinese live-skinned dog underwear?

    Now thats a luxury item!

  214. asscore says:

    Where can I get some Chinese live-skinned dog fur underwear?

    Now thats a luxury item!

  215. Stan LS says:

    “I would much rather be part ofb those dogs species”

    “Dog species” don’t blog, go sniff a butt!

  216. ms.darwin says:


    Wow, you know what…if you are going to argue a point..have an axis of knowledge. You won’t even watch something that is perfectly legal and your “right” And I know why…you are a coward and those images will haunt you forever. You are spineless and have a severe lack of compassion, I pity you…No, I REALLY DO PITY YOU

  217. ms.darwin says:


    they are waiting for you


  218. MaliBoo Radley says:

    @Stan LS:

    I know … I just get a little uppity when people attack Atheists as being these mass murders with no sense of morals. It’s just not true!

  219. ms.darwin says:


    You have no point of view and absolutely no convictions

  220. MaliBoo Radley says:


    Does it bother you that there are people that can watch videos like that and say “business as usual” ?

    I have no problem watching the gore. I don’t want to be blind to wear my fur and meat come from. That’s part of the reason that my husband and I hunt.

  221. ms.darwin says:


    No single religion has killed more people than CHRISTIANS

    I will take an atheist any day, as long as they don’t wear fur

  222. ms.darwin says:


    It sure does bother me. See, nothing should have to suffer that way…absolutley nothing.

  223. ms.darwin says:


    I just still don’t get it. Why should these animals suffer and die for FASHION…let’s not be stupid here..these animals are not making a sacrifice for human survival.

    Honestly, haw can you be so shallow to even think an animal being skinned alive for fashion is anywhere near the relms of humane behavior. Wait, I think what you are saying is that we humans can torture and kill whatever we want…is that right?

  224. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: “You have no point of view and absolutely no convictions”

    Whatever you are smoking, I hope it doesn’t deplete the ozone layer. I made over a dozen posts describing my views and convictions. As I already said, I am secure enough in my humanity to wear fur. What about you?

  225. ms.darwin says:

    @radelay..sadly once again

    “thats’ why me and my husband hunt”

    Yee fucking Haw, Y’all We got ourselves a pleasure killer

    I bet your husband tells you what to think as well

  226. ms.darwin says:




  227. Monkey4Sale says:

    @radleyas: Studies have shown that morals existed pre-religion. Religion decided to add it to the list of things they take credit for.

  228. ms.darwin says:



    And guess what??

    You are a PUSSY!!!!


  229. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: One of these days, when you grow up and get a job, you’ll find out that companies block sites such as youtube. By the way, what’s wrong with hunting? Lions do it. Tiger do it. Birds hunt insects.

  230. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: Are you 12?

  231. ms.darwin says:

    @STAN a.k.a PUSSY

    why have you not watched the video??? How come, huh?

    Animals hunt for survival

    Humans hunt for sport



  232. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: Animals kill for territory. Animals kill their young. Now what?

  233. ms.darwin says:


    why have you not watched this perfectly legal activity, one that you so adamantly support?


    You are a brave voice for your cause

  234. ms.darwin says:


    Once again…this is what you support! Oh, wait…you are completely full of shit and still refuse to comment on this


  235. ms.darwin says:


    once again….these are for their SURVIVAL

    Humans hunt for the fun of killing something


    comment Stan??? tell us all why this is ok!

  236. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: They kill their young for survival? That’s a laugh. Why isn’t it ok? You still haven’t told us why its not ok. Waiting…

  237. ms.darwin says:

    oh wait Stan….you have not given US one reason why killing animals for their fur is ok nor have you commented on the video….You are a coward, so be it, I am done with you


    you are a pitiful lost cause

  238. ms.darwin says:

    Why won’t you comment on the very issue we are discussing???

    Why are you tooo scared to watch this???? I wasn’t


    What are you afraid of?

  239. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: lol? I didn’t realize it wasn’t OK, to give a reason. Duh. Learn to read.

  240. Monkey4Sale says:

    @ms.darwin: It is ok to kill the animals so that the children of the workers can have a life they are comfortable living. Do you want to make children starve because their parents shouldn’t be allowed to apply to available jobs?

  241. ms.darwin says:



    what are you afraid of??? That your convictions are shallow??


  242. ms.darwin says:


    WTF are you talking about?

  243. MaliBoo Radley says:


    No, I hunt to better understand where the food on my table comes from. From the hoof to plate.

  244. ms.darwin says:


    Seriously hahahahah you are right

    If we did not have the fur industry, the children of the world would starve


  245. ms.darwin says:

    @ Radleyas

    good for you

    I don’t eat meat, I don’t hunt

    So, I don’t need to kill to understand that killing is wrong

    In fact I have lived a completely healthy lifestyle without animals having to die for my food.

    I want to make something clear though, you do have the right to live your life as you see fit, and I will not judge you for that.

    However, when it comes to living creatures being tortured and killed, and people who have no problem with that, I will judge very harshly

  246. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: Hah! Do you have any more?

  247. Stan LS says:

    @ms.darwin: You kill plants for food. Just because they are not animals, you don’t think they have feelings? You are so shallow :(

  248. IrisMR says:

    Wow a lot happened since I went home.

    But Ms Darwin… THINK ABOUT THE POOR PLANTS THAT DIED BECAUSE OF YOU! How dare you discriminate between life? Why has the carrot less rights to live than a turkey? Don’t go around saying it has no nervous system and all, I know that. But life is life! And you need the veggie to die in order for you to live!

    Did you treat it right when you violently chopped it in half? Diced it to pieces? Shoved it down your throat? It was here for a reason!

    Hmmm. What a good steak I just ate. So juicy and tender.

  249. Stan LS says:

    @IrisMR: I am gonna get me some boneless chicken thighs and grill em when I get home. I’ll make sure they did not come from a free range chicken.

  250. Monkey4Sale says:

    @ms.darwin: You just get smarter and smarter the more you talk.

  251. ms.darwin says:


    Thank you

    You sound just as stupid as you did in the beginning

  252. ms.darwin says:


    I hope you choke

  253. youbastid says:

    Well, I see things have taken a turn for the better since I last checked in.

  254. machete_bear says:

    @ms.darwin: “I hope you choke”

    and yet animals dying is deplorable to you? At least we are sticking to our convictions instead of flip flopping like you you bloody hypocrite.

    Would everyone please flag this person for spamming the forums with her vapid empty morals, her blaring contradictions, and for spamming the same damned video over and over again?

  255. Monkey4Sale says:

    @machete_bear: I’ve tried flagging, but everytime I do it says flag failed. The Consumerist wants us to suffer.

  256. nichomiz says:

    And we’re done here! I would like to thank every for their moral tirades and rampant sarcasm. Goodnight folks!

  257. Ben Popken says:

    Jesus, I go away for a few hours and look what you people get up to :) Ms. Darwin has been banned. But, in the future, please do not feed the trolls.

  258. machete_bear says:

    *buys Ben a beer*

    My humblest apologies for providing troll food :D

  259. DanGarion says:

    Do you have any common sense? I’m not justifying the killing of animals for fur, in fact I think fur is disgusting, but I’m a capitalist and I have the common sense to realize that these companies can make money by selling the carcass. I’m sure they don’t just throw it away as you claim.

  260. MrEvil says:

    i personally can’t complain here. It’d make me a Big-ass hypocrite. I mean I anhialate 5 or more chickens at a single meal consuming hot wings. I’ve probably devoured more than my fair share of cattle.

    I have to tell you though, what my dad’s mini schnauser does to cotton tail rabbits can’t be any better than what happens to them at the fur farm.

    @notec: I sure hope you’re being sarcastic. The fur does not stand up because the animal was skinned alive and the adrenaline does it. That’s the biggest load of horsehockey I’ve ever heard. The hair sticks up as a result of the tanning process….yes fur is tanned just like leather….in fact fur is just leather with the hair still on it.

    My guess is, they skin the animals alive because it’s cheaper than gassing them. If your primary product is fur or hide from an animal you don’t have to worry about poison getting in the hide unlike with a food animal.

    Y’know, I’d think it’d be pretty easy to tell weather fur was fake or not, because of the leather underneath the hair.

  261. Elle Rayne says:

    I hate it when people completely deviate from the article in the comment thread (PETA wasn’t even mentioned, people!) and then proceed to unite in hate and knock down strawmen. Talking about how much you hate PETA–such negativity!–and hoping that people who DON’T WANT TO WEAR FUR WERE DUPED INTO WEARING FUR. And then the whole mudslinging that makes up the last half of comments…

    This seems to me the same deal as non-organic milk being marketed as organic. The difference is, the companies were charging more for the “organic” milk, whereas the “faux” fur was probably cheaper. But it’s the same issue: the company was lying to consumers were trying to shop responsibly. It isn’t fair to trick consumers, no matter how much it happens.