The Current State Of The Verizon iPhone Rumor

We generally try to ignore this sort of thing, but quite a few media outlets have jumped on the Verizon iPhone bandwagon.

So here’s the current state of the rumor. Both Apple and Verizon have declined to comment.

1) iPhone on Verizon early next year.

2) Verizon iPhone users will not be able to surf the web and talk at the same time.

3) It’ll be a version of the iPhone 4.

Apple Plans to Offer iPhone on Verizon [NYT]
Verizon IPhone Won’t Transmit Data, Voice Together, WSJ Reports [Bloomberg]

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  1. DanRydell says:

    “We generally try to ignore this sort of thing”

    No you don’t, you posted this rumor last time it came up.

    • Tim says:

      Keyword: try.

      • wrjohnston91283 says:

        Not trying very hard apparently.

        • Coelacanth says:

          Well, when the NYT, WSJ, and Bloomberg all report the rumour, perhaps there *is* a little credibility behind it.

          • Phineas says:

            Wasn’t it the WSJ that reported it LAST time, too? And the time before? And always using the equivalent of “Some guy who knows phones told me…”

            • thrashanddestroy says:

              As a matter of fact, that’s exactly what it was. Just like the time before that.
              My uncle who actually held an iPhone once told me that sometime down the line, you might possibly see it on Verizon’s network…maybe.

              There, now I have a credible source too.

        • Promethean Sky says:

          iPhone stories are like crack. You can TRY to quit them, but good effing luck succeeding.

        • edison234 says:

          Not trying very hard apparently

          is a distant cousin to

          Taking this very seriously

  2. ap0 says:

    I’ll believe it when I see it. An LTE iPhone on Verizon I could see, but a CDMA one seems unlikely.

    • apple420 says:

      So you think if Apple made a Verizon phone it would be LTE only and not use the CDMA network?
      That would be similar to an AT&T iPhone being 3G only and refusing to use older networks.

      • Corith says:

        Actually it’d be worse. LTE has no voice standard, so an LTE only phone wouldn’t be able to make calls. Verizon has stated that for it’s LTE network the LTE side will only be used for data and CDMA will be used for voice.

  3. doomsdayZen says:

    Start lining up now because this rumor happens to be true.

    • ElizabethD says:

      Seriously. And LOL @ all the people in this comment thread being so skeptical.

      • MMD says:

        While we’re LOLing, LOL at those who are so sure this is true but can not provide a shred of proof beyond having allegedly spoken to some unnamed dude at Verizon…

    • Phineas says:

      Yes!
      Nevermind the last one wasn’t true… oops, and the one before… uh, and the one before… and… well, the one before the first iPhone even came out…
      I’ll believe it when I actually see a source more concrete than hearsay and speculation.

    • AntiNorm says:

      this rumor happens to be true

      [citation needed]

  4. ElizabethD says:

    It’s true according to a Verizon manager my husband talked with a week or so ago. Sometime this coming winter. Can’t wait.

    • The Waffle says:

      Retail managers know nothing take it from someone who used to work for AT&T. They just hear the same rumours and propogate them. If the iPhone was coming to VZW it wouldn’t till after January. Apple creates such hype that they do not hold to holiday seasons. They know people will still buy it.

    • ryder28910 says:

      Apple literally and intentionally tells retail managers nothing about these sorts of things. Now the Verizon CEO, who would know about this sort of thing, indicated a couple weeks ago that Verizon wouldn’t be ready to fully adopt the iPhone until their LTE/4G network is rolled out.

  5. Torchwood says:

    Let me know when a Verizon LTE iPhone or LTE Droid comes out and my market has LTE coverage.

  6. jamiemadrox17 says:

    I’ll believe it when Señor Jobs says so. Until then, nope.

  7. SiddhimaAmythaon says:

    o please let this die. its FAKE till verizon have LTE up and running nation wide with voice and data at the same time IT WILL NOT HAPPEN!.

  8. Piddles says:

    I can’t wait to see how Verizon bastardizes it.

    • nybiker says:

      Ingloriously, I’d imagine.

    • hansolo247 says:

      Strangely enough, they didn’t bastardize the Droid very much.

      It is 1 of only 2 devices that use standard Android. Verizon has proceeded to mess up the software on the Droid recently, though. Not that it matters if you’ve rooted it, though.

      At least you can use the free google navigation, which is probably the best you can get for a phone.

    • oldwiz65 says:

      I’m certain they will make a mess of it. Verizon loves stuffing their crapware onto phones. They can’t get it through their heads that all people want from a carrier is dumb pipe.

    • chatnoir80 says:

      I don’t know if Verizon can afford to bastardize it like they do their other phones. Steve Jobs I such a control freak that I don’t think he would stand for it. Verizon knows they screwed up by not being one of the first to offer the iPhone. Since they were the ones who screwed up initially, they don’t get to dictate how the phone should be made.

  9. colorfulRhyme says:

    I’m glad I bought my Droid still. All I know is that if it somehow DOES come to Verizon… AT&T is screwed.

    • The Waffle says:

      Not at all, you will then have unhappy people on Verizon who switched from AT&T complaining how they can’t browse the web and talk on the phone at the same time and their old iPhone could do just that. It won’t happen.

      • zekebullseye says:

        I have an iPhone and I had no idea it was capable of voice and Internet at the same time. I’ve never had the need to use it that way, either. I could live without it.

    • ElizabethD says:

      My son got a Droid this summer and likes it a lot. But he says as soon as Verizon gets the iPhone, he’ll switch. He’s done a lot of comparisons at college with his friends phones, and said the Droid can’t compare. Just one tiny data point! Also probably a YMMV thing.

  10. Foot_Note says:

    i must be alone.. i dont want a “Smart” phone… my cellphone is turned off until i want to make a call.. only have to charge it like every 3 months. i must be getting old

    • Bativac says:

      That makes two of us. Mine sits in my pocket and vibrates if I get a call…never had a ringtone. I think 3 or 4 people have the number. It’s the latest and greatest available circa 2004.

      Of course, this being the 21st century, I have a Google Voice number for business purposes…

      • haroldx says:

        Finally moved up to Razr a year or so ago, which has more features than I possibly could use. I also leave it off until I need it, which is seldom — and mainly when I’m late for an appointment, need AAA, or when my Earthlink landline is on the fritz (!).

        Doesn’t make me cooler than anybody else, though it probably makes me less annoying in crowds and safer while driving, and saves me money to fritter away elsewhere.

    • ChuckECheese says:

      It’s sad that nobody can call you.

    • Niphil says:

      Bragging about how you hate technology really makes you super cool and an individual, right?

      • Foot_Note says:

        well i have a land line… only real reason for the cell phone is with car, and needing to call AAA, etc

        • Gulliver says:

          So I have internet, texting, and phone capabilities at any time, AND don’t have to pay for a land line. Yes, it is true, you are getting old when you start saying how technology bad, or damn kids get off my lawn blah blah blah. You must be too cool for a smart phone, NOT

    • Mr.Grieves says:

      I don’t either. However my cell is on nearly all the time.

      If I want to surf the web I’ll be on my computer, I don’t need to do it in public. I just need basic calling and texting from my phone. Data plan prices are ridiculous.

    • Weekilter says:

      You are alone. Most people get a mobile phone so they can use it and be contacted.

    • RayanneGraff says:

      I could not live like this. Seriously. I think I must have had a former life in the distant future cause I’ve lived & breathed technology since I was a kid. I have to have a fully-connected smartphone or I get all anxious & itchy.

  11. IssaGoodDay says:

    I generally try to ignore this sort of thing, but if you’re going to post an article like this, 3 bullet points stating the same thing everyone else has all over the interwebs for the past 3 years is a disservice to the quality of posts I’ve come to expect from the consumerist.

    Lets expand a little bit:

    1) iPhone on Verizon early next year – what are the potential impacts of this to existing Verizon customers? Existing AT&T customers? Customers on other carriers?

    2) Verizon iPhone users will not be able to surf the web and talk at the same time. Why not? What technology could make this possible? What sort of chips might be used that would allow for Talk and Web at the same time, even on a CDMA network? Why won’t it use LTE?

    3) It’ll be a version of the iPhone 4. Ok, why? Why not new hardware altogether? Do GSM, CDMA, and LTE antennas work the same way – i.e. will there still be attenuation problems if it’s a CDMA or LTE phone instead of GSM, given the same physical design?

    Seriously, if you’re going to post a rumor, at least expound about 3 one sentence bullet points. I come here to see a new perspective on things from what I’ve seen elsewhere (Gizmodo, LifeHacker, MacRumors, WSJ, NYT, etc.), not the same thing said again in a crappy little article.

    /soapbox.

    • Nick1693 says:

      About 2 and 3…

      CDMA, by design, does not support data/calling at the same time.

      Also, yes, there would be attenuation problems barring some kind of hardware fix by Apple. Neither GSM nor CDMA can break the laws of physics.

    • Gulliver says:

      If you want those technical questions answered, your site should be CNET or any other number of sites devoted to that. This is a CONSUMER site. The real question is, will IPhone be available to Verizon ii the future. According to several sources it appears possible.
      Every story on consumerist could be found on another site, what is your point.

    • Weekilter says:

      CDMA cannot do both voice and data at the same time at least not the kind of CDMA Verizon and Sprint use on their networks. HSPDA (which is what AT &T uses) can do both voice and data. CDMA doe not allow for you to use both data and voice at the same time. Go to a mobile forum before you get all incredulous about it K?

    • IssaGoodDay says:

      I know the answers to the questions I posed, but rumors do not a consumer-focused article make. I was just providing an example of the way the original author could have expanded on three one sentence bullet points to turn this into a full article instead of a “fluff piece” for the purpose of updating the front page.

      Also, all the questions I posed were just as relevant to consumers as the original post itself was.

      Not trying to be indignant, just trying to encourage better writing from the people who run this site. :-)

    • LatinoGeek says:

      1) Impact? People will switch to verizon? Or more likely, most will stay put since at&t’s ETF will ensure that they will get their pound oof flesh from you if you bail early.

      2) The CDMA spec that Verizon (and Sprint) uses does not allow for Simultaneous Voice/Data. SDVO (Ev-DO) does. However most, if not all of Verizon’s Network and phones cannot (or will not) be upgraded to support it. LTE is the future.

      3) Because Apple likes having a steamlined product lineup. a HW Refesh that is out of sync with their normal schedule is costly and adding a new HW likely cause customer confusion about what features are available on which devices.

      The attentuation problem is a physical design problem that manifests when contact is made with the attenna assembly. The radio communcation protocol (CDMA vs. LTE vs. WCDMA) used by the device has no real bearing on this issue.

  12. JHerrick79 says:

    I’ll believe it when I hear it coming out of Steve Jobs mouth. Until then, I reserve a healthy skepticism.

  13. penuspenuspenus says:

    Oh no! People are starting to forget about Apple and their precious iPhone4! Good thing you were there to scoop this non-story up.

    • wrbwrx says:

      I think you are on to something. A good way to drum up talk about your company is to float some nonsensical rumours.

      • Kitten Mittens says:

        Or an even better way for Verizon to keep anyone who’s still got a hard-on for an iPhone and who’s contract is about to come up for renewal.

  14. TehLlama says:

    This has been the worst kept secret for the last 6 months….

  15. bigd738778 says:

    I have Verizon and I don’t really give a crap about iPhone. I’m waiting for Win7 phone. Xbox tied to my phone and lovely portable achievements.

  16. StevePierce says:

    Well if it VZW iPhone is like the Verizon Palm Pre than GPS and Navigation won’t work except with Verizon’s own $10/mo Nav service. Even if you opt for the $10 Nav service, GPS won’t work with third party apps.

    Verizon will also implement the Verizon Palm Pre Typing service for iPhone. Pressing a letter on the keyboard results in one of the following; no character, 1 character or the same character twice. Because the likelihood is only 1 in 3 that you will get the character you want, 2/3 of the time you will have to press the same key again or press backspace. In testing, a 40 character message takes upwards of 80 key presses. This is not a joke.

    This isn’t a Palm Pre problem. The GPS and Nav with Palm Pre on Sprint works great and so do 3rd party Nav apps. Typing on the Sprint Palm Pre is a joy. This was what happened when VZW decided to make the phone ‘better’.

    This is Verizon that has turned a great phone like the Pre and made it worthless. All you iPhone fans, be prepared to be disappointed.

    – Steve

    • colorisnteverything says:

      Agreed between the Sprint and Verizon thing. I was really nervous, but we get great coverage here with either and I have had MUCH better things to say about Sprint. I’ve been on their network for 2 months. My Samsung Epic is wonderful and works tremendously. The free nav kills Verizon’s service and it is FREE on my phone. I really like it.

    • MFfan310 says:

      My BlackBerry Storm on Verizon (yeah, I know) doesn’t have carrier-locked GPS. You can use VZ Navigator, but you don’t have to. Other nav apps will work.

      However, Verizon’s Windows Mobile phones are now pre-loaded with a special version of the Microsoft Bing app. This special version of Bing won’t give you turn-by-turn navigation and instead refers you to VZ Navigator, even if the phone has unlocked GPS (HTC Imagio and Ozone are two examples). If you used the Bing app on a Windows phone on another carrier, you get the free turn-by-turn nav. I suspect this is due to Verizon’s search partnership with Microsoft that’s now extending into Android phones, where, IMO, Google should not be replaced with Bing.

    • PsiCop says:

      FWIW, my HTC Droid Incredible on Verizon allows me to use standard navigation apps without paying extra for Verizon’s VZ Navigator (or whatever it’s called).

  17. RTWinter says:

    In Canada I can name 5 telco companies that you can get an iPhone from. I fell sorry for you Yankees.

    • Fafaflunkie Plays His World's Smallest Violin For You says:

      Shhh. Maybe we Canadians shouldn’t be telling those yankees about this, either.

  18. aen says:

    It’s true, Steve Jobs came to me in my sleep and told me. This one came straight from the top.

  19. ThinkerTDM says:

    Does it matter if it’s true or not- if it is, you aren’t getting an iphone, you are getting a crippled iphone that will only work half as good as ATT.

    • Eugene says:

      Verizon’s past crippling of phones was only dumb phones, they generally left smartphones alone.

      • MFfan310 says:

        I wish it was the case that Verizon Wireless was not taking features out of smartphones, having been a Verizon subscriber for six years. And I work for a Verizon Wireless Authorized Dealer that is also a Sprint Authorized Dealer. Yes, VZW locked GPS on BlackBerry devices for years, but that was later unlocked on most phones. Yes, VZW’s HTC Touch Pro came with half the RAM of Sprint’s, but the Touch Pro 2 fixed that. Fortunately, they have made progress.

        Yet for every BlackBerry GPS unlocked, there is a smartphone sold under the Bing mandate. The Samsung Fascinate and Motorola Citrus, both Android-based, come with Bing voice and universal search and not the original Google search. In this case, it may actually be out of necessity. Verizon Wireless has to abide by a 5-year Microsoft search contract with a quota of phones where Bing is the default search engine. A lot of these phones were 3G multimedia phones like the LG enV 3 and Chocolate Touch. These 3G multimedia phones in the VZW lineup are being replaced by smartphones, mostly Android, so VZW put Bing on them to meet Microsoft’s quota.

        Oh, and this contract actually dates back to the days of Windows Live Search.

  20. adamwade says:

    Uh…I totally would have jumped ship to Verizon as soon as my AT&T contract is up (I have had no problems with AT&T to speak of but I do think Verizon has better coverage), but “it can’t be used as a phone and web device at the same time”?

    That’s as idiotic as when AT&T wouldn’t provide MMS on iPhone (and I wouldn’t buy one until they did). Even my six year old crap phone before that could send MMS, yet the “most advanced phone on the planet” couldn’t?

    I feel the same way now. The iPhone clearly has the ability to use the Internet and make a phone call at the same time – in fact it’s one of the great benefits of an iPhone. To intentionally gimp a device like that is unacceptable. Sorry Verizon, staying with AT&T then.

    • Doc S says:

      It’s not crippling the phone, it’s the fault of the CDMA protocol. On a CDMA phone, there’s no data channel when a voice call is in progress – voice calls use a circuit-switched mode (like a land-line) while data uses a packet format. AT&T uses a GSM network, which uses packet switching for both voice & data.

      The only way that a CDMA phone can support both at the same time is if both the network and the handset support CDMA Rev. B, which VZ is likely to skip over on the way to LTE.

      • MMD says:

        The tech speak is irrelevant to the average consumer.

        If a Verizon iPhone does less than an AT&T iPhone, it’s going to seem “crippled” in comparison.

  21. Mewf says:
  22. Floobtronics says:

    The reason that a CDMA iPhone 4 would not allow simultaneous voice & 3G data is simple – the technology that’s deployed currently simply will not support it, even on your beloved iPhone.

    The network Verizon currently has deployed is based on the CDMA2000 1x specification. This has several sub-specs available for the network, 1xRTT – the original VzW 3G deployment. 128k data rates, 1xEV-DO – ~1Mbps data rate and lastly 1xEV-DV, which promised multiple Mbps and simultaneous voice & data. EV-DV never matured and reached consensus with standards people, so it never got deployed, leaving us with EV-DO, with which it’s simply not technically possible to do simultaneous data & voice on a single radio.

    If you fast forward a couple of years, when VzW’s LTE rollout is completed, you’ll have simultaneous data & voice on big red. Of course, by that time, your voice will probably just be data – a VoIP infrastructure makes much more sense, given the data rates LTE is promising.

    Your only shot at concurrency for voice & data on a VzW phone is using wifi.

  23. Boberto says:

    This is an intentional rumor, put forth by Apple and ATT in order to keep those (considering an Android or others) out of that market in the hope that the verizon iphone will be “just around the corner”.

    http://gawker.com/5658268/steve-jobs-dark-arts-four-stories-apple-is-suspected-of-manipulating

    • Kitten Mittens says:

      It’d be a better intentional rumor started by Verizon (seeing as the sources seem to be on that side) in order to keep subscribers from defecting to AT&T in order to get an iPhone.

      If you were frustrated enough with AT&T, you’d probably go with an Android or even a non-smart phone for 3 months until Verizon’s dropped.

  24. andoman says:

    I’ll just say this again in case people don’t realize. A Verizon iPhone is a poor world traveller, since most countries do not have CDMA networks, a trip to Europe with a Verizon phone leaves you with an ipod touch.

    The GSM version of the iPhone will work in nearly every country. So if you’re going to get a Verizon iphone, just realize this….. for travelling outside North America you will need to take another phone with you (or an old At&t unlocked iphone).

    This is a bit of a shame because a smartphone can be a great helper in a foreign country provided you take precautions about high roaming fees. Not sure why AT&T doesn’t blast this information from the rooftops about the ability to travel because for some it’s a big deal.

  25. mbnovik says:

    I think this is just rumors. A few months ago a lawsuit in California revealed that Apple and ATT signed a 5 year exclusive agreement. Since Iphone is a huge money maker for ATT with its exclusivity, I guaranty that Apple is going to get sued by ATT for breaking the contract for mucho dinero, and would be 200% right for doing that. I don’t think that Steve Jobs and cohort of lawyers would do something silly like that. So again, it’s a rumor.

  26. Barfine says:

    I have an EVO. I can’t type while my phone is attached to my ear while talking. I don’t use speaker phone, so I can’t see any reason to talk on the phone and surf at the same time. A minor inconvieience if one gets picky.

  27. Dr. Rosebud says:

    This whole “can’t talk while you surf” isn’t completely accurate. Sure, if you’re on 3G it’s either-or. But when I’m home, I connect to our wireless network because it’s faster. It’s so nice to be able to call someone about dinner and look things up on the web at the same time. I love my Droid X.

  28. pot_roast says:

    It’s the SAME RUMOR. More “sources briefed on the matter” and other completely vague ‘sources.’

    And it’s also from the same darn financial analysts that spouted off before. Apple makes headlines, and I think this is stock analysts keeping Verizon in the spotlight by spreading bogus rumors. It works…. every time this rumor starts up again, VZ stock moves.

    It’s not official until Steve Jobs walks on stage and announces it. Until then, it’s just speculation.

  29. astraelraen says:

    No web & talk at the same time is a limitation of CDMA technology IIRC, this part of the rumor is true.

  30. Coupon says:

    Whenever it gets to Verizon, I hope the flocks are somehow unhappy with the phone/service there. I’m so freakin’ sick of hearing about the soulless mega-corporation’s toy. If there wasn’t so much drolling and petting all over it for years I’d think otherwise, but that is not the case.

  31. Tank Fuzzbutt says:

    Stock manipulation

  32. quads says:

    Verizon iPhone users will not be able to surf the web and talk at the same time.

    dealbreaker

  33. PLATTWORX says:

    The iPhone looks good, but I have a Droid 2 on Verizon, I have several friends with various Droid models. All like them and always have signal. In fact, our iPhone friends will often ask to borrow our Droid because they need to look something up or make a call and have no service.

    I’ll stick with my Droid.

  34. RayanneGraff says:

    I could honestly care less about anything Apple, but I know a guy who works at a Verizon store & he says the iPhone is indeed coming out for both Sprint & Verizon soon.