Should Dogs Be Allowed In Places Of Business?

Yesterday, we ran the story of a Consumerist reader who couldn’t seem to convince Continental her service dog was the real deal. At the opposite end of the spectrum, SeattlePI.com writes about a woman who brought her dog into a grocery store and just left it on its own while she went shopping and store employees did nothing about it.

At what point is it acceptable for someone to bring their dog with them to a place of business? Is it fine to bring your pooch with you to an outdoor farmer’s market but not a grocery store? How about sitting with your canine companion on a restaurant patio versus having the mutt sit at your table inside with you in a Hammacher Schlemmer pet high chair?

What about non-food businesses: Is it ever okay to bring your dog — or any pet for that matter — inside a store or your office?

Woman gives dog owners a bad name [SeattlePI]

Pet high chair: The end of begging, or end of civilization?

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  1. ret3 says:

    This is the one thing for which I will never forgive Paris Hilton: popularizing the practice of bringing one’s pet everydamnwhere. Pets stay at home while people go do people things with other people. If you don’t have sufficient space for them to live in and/or time to interact with them otherwise, then don’t have one. Outdoors is fine, so long as their waste is seen to; indoors (apart from maybe a pet store), I’d say they’re out of place.

    • UltimateOutsider says:

      I think you have a point with the Paris connection.

    • strathmeyer says:

      I feel the exact same way about children.

    • Sunflower1970 says:

      I’ve seen these poor little ‘purse dogs’ brought in to a bookstore before. Poor thing. The dog kept trying to see out (probably was getting sick from the swinging of the owner’s purse–I hope the little thing threw up in there) and the owner kept pushing it back in so it wouldn’t be seen by anyone (yeah that worked well. Everyone saw it as she pushed it back each time.)

      Another time I was at a restaurant and this huge group of people came in and, again, a little dog that kept getting pushed back down in the purse which was under the table so the workers couldn’t see it. Poor thing was, for the most part, ignored throughout the dinner they were having, except to push it back down each time, oh, and the bag in question was kicked by accident from time to time.

    • eccsame says:

      also Zsa Zsa Gabor, Anna Nicole Smith, and Elizabeth Taylor – just to name a few.

    • the Persistent Sound of Sensationalism says:

      Pets are a luxury item. In countries where food is scarce, they don’t have pets, they eat them. No, I don’t want your damn mutt in the grocery store or restaurant with me. I have enough trouble keeping my indoor cat from getting fleas. I don’t want the opportunity to bring your pets troubles home with me. Also, even the best trained dogs bark on occasion. Most people don’t have the best trained dogs. Leave them the hell at home.

    • George4478 says:

      I bring my dog everydamnwhere. That way, when I fart I have something to blame other than my wife.

    • DariusC says:

      Seriously, why the heck does the first poster of almost every consumerist thread troll the place?

      Pets are family! I love my puppy so much that if I had one last scrap of food and we were starving I would give it to her! Perhaps if you had a dog you would understand this? If you do have a dog, you don’t care for it enough.

      • coffeeculture says:

        Yeah…pets are YOUR family, not everyone else’s.

      • woogychuck says:

        Dude, please tell me this is a joke. I think you’ll find that about 95% of rational people agree with the first poster. Just because it’s part of your family, doesn’t mean you should bring it everywhere.

        I’m a dog owner, and I wouldn’t bring my dog to a grocery store any more than I would bring my 5 year old to a strip club.

      • myCatCracksMeUp says:

        The first poll is definitely not a troll. He or She said nothing at all outrageous. I’ve owned dogs and cats and loved them to pieces, but they were still pets and were left at home when we went out, as they should be.

      • The Waffle says:

        And there is the problem. See most people treat pets like they are their child. If you ever wonder why your pet rips up furniture and everything it’s because you treat your pet like a human rather than an animal. Bringing your pet everywhere creates an unhealthy attraction on the pet, causing your pet to develop withdrawal problems. So the more you bring your pet around with you, the worse that pet’s attachment becomes.

      • BHall says:

        This is the kind of pet owner that ends up with out of control and dangerous animals. As any trainer will teach you and the dog make up a pact; and one of you will be the leader. If you treat your puppy as you describe, it will be the dog that runs the show in your house. They don’t fare well pretending to be a human and end up tearing up the house or biting guests. You should sign up for training as soon as possible.

    • DustingWhale says:

      This, a thousand times. My cat is ok on a leash and travels ok, that doesn’t mean I will assume that everyone in the 3 story buidling is excited to see cat dander flying everywhere.

      Dogs at work, never. Drop by at work, if you’re that self important, I guess breaking rules is OK… I work at a large software company, I’ve seen “bring your dog back to work and you will be terminated” emails because of allergy concerns. And it was directed to a Project Manager.

      IMHO, SOP, if there’s a doorway, you shouldn’t bring in your dog. If you’re taking it to an ourdoor area (farmers market, festival) it should be leashed the entire time. As a dog owner, you don’t know what other dogs/inflamatory circumstances will present themselves.

      • Sunflower1970 says:

        It always amazes me when I see a cat on a leash (which is not often) The cats I’ve known in my life would not have stood for it. Tried collars on a few of my cats (when I was a teen my family had cats), and except for one of them, they all figured out a way to get them off, so a leash would not have worked. At all.

        • DarthCoven says:

          A cat in a harness on a leash is just about the funniest thing i’ve seen in a long while. My wife decided it would be a good idea to bring our little Dexter outside for a stroll. The second he realized what was going on he flopped onto the concrete and stayed there. I could only imagine what was going through his head:

          “Ok human, you’ve degraded me enough for one day. Bring me inside and remove this contraption THIS INSTANT or you can kiss about 4 pints of blood goodbye while you sleep. You DO like your jugular intact, don’t you?”

          • djshinyo says:

            My cat won’t walk in her harness (she slinks)…..but she sure appreciates getting to roll around in the sun and the dirt every now again.

        • MeowMaximus says:

          Actually, both of my cats are harness trained, and they both love going outside for romps – its not like walking a dog, mind you, but they both do fine. That having been said, I wouldn’t consider taking them into a business without advance permission. For example, my local pet store encourages people to bring their pets with them. Would I bring one of my cats into a coffee shop? No.

          Other than service animals, animals by and large don’t belong in places of business.

      • Conformist138 says:

        There is a man I see often in the mornings downtown. He is this huge guy, a little dirty looking, and he walks this lovely snow-white cat without a leash. The kitty just pads right along next to him like a heeling dog. I wondered at first how safe this is, but after seeing them so often, I’ve never seen either the man or his little friend ever go into harm’s way (they walk around the block they seem to live on, never cross streets)

    • Bunklung says:

      I have moderate to severe allergies to pets. Pets don’t belong in indoor public places unless the person is disabled and has a medical need for the dog.

      • JollyJumjuck says:

        Agreed. Schools have bans on peanut butter and peanut-related products if even one student is allergic. Why can’t the same rationale be put on public indoor places? Unless you require an animal to conduct your life (e.g. seeing-eye dog), there should be an outright ban on pets.

        When I was three years old, I was sent to the hospital for an allergic reaction because a dog was 6 feet away from me. Years of shots later I am fine with dogs (cats are another story). The point is, contact is not necessary to invoke a violent allergic reaction.

      • crazedhare says:

        I have severe allergies to people who think the world revolves around them. People who think the world revolves around them do not belong out in public.

    • ssaoi says:

      That’s the one thing you will never forgive Paris Hilton for?

    • anyanka323 says:

      My mother quit taking our weimaraner into pet stores when he was a puppy because he’s allergic to commecial dog food and would get sick from eating the food that was on the floor. She would never dream of taking him to a restaurant or grocery store. The produce section would be heaven for him because he loves fresh fruit and vegetables.

      We have two cats and him in the house. We’re all very conscious about not having any pet hair on our clothes when we go to work because some of our co-workers have pet allergies.

      I’ve bought him into my office a couple of days when I’ve been dog sitting him. Not many people come into the office and my boss is okay with it. There’s a door close nearby where I can take him out and I bring a mat, water bowl, and toys for him.

  2. jbandsma says:

    If the business welcomes PETS, then it’s fine as long as the owner is in control (this also goes for service dogs…a business IS permitted to remove a service dog that is disruptive or acting dangerously). If the business does not welcome pets, then no, they should be ejected.

    As to an outdoor farmer’s market as opposed to a grocery store…it IS outdoors where the products are subject to dirt, dust, insects, etc. I can’t see where a leashed, controlled dog could do more harm.

    • cybrczch says:

      One of our local farmer’s markets has prohibited pets after an incident a couple of years ago, apparently unattended pets and well behaved small children, or well behaved pets and unattended small children (depending on whose side you listen to) shouldn’t be crowded together in the same area.
      The other one, with smaller crowds, still welcomes pets.

      • crazedhare says:

        I wish I could find a farmers market that just banned small children, so I could stop in when I walk my dog on weekend mornings, without dumb parents saying “Ohhh doggie!” and encouraging their toddler to run toward my big, scared dog who has big, sharp teeth. Oh well. No farmer’s markets for me.

        • Erika'sPowerMinute says:

          I wish to apologize on behalf of all parents of young children to you. I, for one, have told my kids from day one that we look and do not touch anything, including but not limited to, other people, merchandise in stores, and animals, without express permission. I can’t imagine what kind of moron parent would encourage their kids to run toward a strange dog and start assaulting it.

    • MaxPower says:

      I feel like the Farmer’s market is different as well because there is a good chance someone is out walking their dog and just sees the Farmer’s Market and stops by. On any given day of the week there is a Farmer’s Market in just about every open plaza in the city I live in and if you happen to walk your dog there because it’s a nice place, you shouldn’t be punished if you also want to get some fresh veggies.

  3. alSeen says:

    Sure, ask the store owner if they mind. If they say no, bring the pet in.

    We walk our dog up to the movie rental place near by. For a while we were leaving it outside attached to a bench. The store owner saw that once and told us that we were welcome to bring it in with us.

    • ArtlessDodger says:

      This comment makes so much sense.

      Ask if non-service animals are permitted. If they are? Great, Fido is welcome. If not, leave Miss Kitty at home.

      But for the love of God, don’t leave your pets locked up in a hot car if they are denied entrance. Part of being a pet owner is being responsible for the life of your pet.

    • Not a Fan Boy says:

      When I worked at Blockbuster as a kid this used to drive me nuts, people would bring dogs big and small into the store brazenly and without concern for others. As someone who has suffered from varying degrees of allergies over the years the last thing I want is to be subjected to other peoples ungroomed animals at my job.Having said that being given permission to bring your pet into a business is totally different and it’s clear that you respect the fact that your companion animal may cause adverse health effects to others so thank you for being such considerate people.

  4. Horselady says:

    YES,YES, YES, always allow dogs to come to work with us,

    Most of us need cheering up at work,
    and dogs do not need to be left at home alone.

    • UCLAri: Allergy Sufferer says:

      Uh… as much as I like dogs, I don’t want a dog at work every day. Never mind the madness that would ensue if it had an accident. Also, the liability concerns of it biting someone.

      • MrAgen10 says:

        Ummm, yeah, no dogs at work please. MAYBE once a month have a day where people can bring in their dogs, but not every day.

        At my last job, one of the people brought in her French Bulldog every day. Yeah, it was cute, but she also didn’t take it outside to use the toilet, so it went in every corner of her office. Then she’d complain when the janitor started to refuse to clean up after HER dog. It became quite a dramatic situation.

      • c_c says:

        I work at home, so my dog’s at work everyday. She mostly just sleeps in the bedroom all day. I usually try to close my office door when on the phone though, in case she decides to bark at the neighbors or UPS man.

    • InsertPithyNicknameHere says:

      Unless you work by yourself, this isn’t a very practical idea. After all, why should you be allowed to bring in your pooch while your coworker’s kitty has to stay home?

    • Wombatish says:

      If a workplace sets out to be dog-friendly and takes the necessary steps to do so (employees are allowed to have time to take the dogs out, and there are rules about aggressive dogs/other bad behavior) then I think it can be swell.

      But just to some random, non-dog friendly job? Hell no. If I were in charge there I would discipline the person working under me who thought it was ok to just randomly bring their dog.

      YOU don’t get to decide where you get to bring your dog, the person who owns/is in charge of the place you want to bring them does. Goes for business as well as other people’s homes.

      • Wombatish says:

        Also, getting permission and planning ahead, especially in a small business environment, might be different.

        My mom’s very small (about 6 employees at most) office had two cats. BUT she owned the business and made the rules, and they informed anyone who applied there that they had two cats, and the cats were well cared for/groomed and well behaved. That’s ok.

        But again, just thinking you’re entitled to bring them when you feel like it without asking because you can = no.

    • adrienna says:

      Some of us are allergic to dogs. The occasional service dog isn’t an issue usually — plus, they’re well-behaved and not licking/jumping. Pets belong at home. Dogs in parks are fine. Dogs in supermarkets are gross. Dogs at work are nuisances. I had a boss who brought in her puppy. Sure, he was cute, but productivity definitely went down.

      • pecan 3.14159265 says:

        I had a professor who brought kittens to class one day. Suffice to say, no one learned a thing.

      • DashTheHand says:

        I have co-workers that bring new babies into work two or three times a week every week.

        I find that a hundred thousand times more annoying than an almost always silent small pet.

    • the Persistent Sound of Sensationalism says:

      Dogs at work discriminate against cat owners. I’d love to have my cat beside me at my desk, but too many people whine about allergies. Well, tough shit. I don’t like being licked by strange (or familiar) canines.

    • Nigerian prince looking for business partner says:

      I bring my dog to work about 3 or 4 times a month. If I’m working late or on the weekend, it’s really not fair for him to be cooped up all day in the house. I keep his bowls, some food, toys, bed, and a baby gate around just in case I might need to bring him in on short notice.

      He always cheers the place up, plus it gives me excuses to get up and walk around every once in awhile and go over to the park for lunch. If I’m in a meeting, coworkers typically line up to get to take him out or play with him.

      It’s just one of those perks of being a department head.

      • myCatCracksMeUp says:

        Makes me glad I work at at a government building that doesn’t allow any animals. I think I’d quit a job if some stupid manager brought their stupid pet to work.

    • pecan 3.14159265 says:

      I don’t know…I’m at work to work. Whenever wee have take your child to work day, I just can’t focus because there’s noise everywhere. If it’s once or twice a year, I can handle it, but I wouldn’t like someone’s dog in the office every week.

      • tsukiotoshi says:

        Well I think it really depends on the office. I respect the rules of the office but if I had my own office and the employer allowed it I would definitely bring my dog. Put a gate on my office door, my dog would just curl up under my desk and sleep all day. Then I don’t have to rush home to let her out. But, I understand allergies and all of that.

    • tbax929 says:

      No way. Some of us really don’t like dogs and aren’t comfortable around them. If I wanted a dog, I’d own a dog. It’s unfair to bring your dog to work and foist it upon those of us who aren’t “dog people”. Leave the damn thing at home.

    • thisistobehelpful says:

      I had a dog. I also had 9 ferrets, 3 cats, a rat, 4 mice, 3 hamsters, two snakes, two frogs, 10 lizards, a bird and a few fish. Guess what? I never brought any of them anywhere other than the vet, the pet store or the park. Why? I try not to be a jerk. I didn’t let my cats and dog eat at the table and I wouldn’t expect anyone else would want them around while they were dining. Animals are awesome. They’re also dirty and they shed constantly when they have fur and dander even when they don’t. They can bite people they don’t like and even ones they do. They can piss, crap and vomit without warning indoors and out, whether or not they’re house trained because they don’t automatically bolt for the bathroom like a human would.

      Service animals are not pets, they are service animals. Do not bring your pets to places where pets don’t belong. Work is one of those places unless you work somewhere meant for animals.

    • Mary says:

      As somebody who is allergic to dogs, I would find a workplace that allows people to bring their dogs with them to be bad for my health, and imposing on my own happiness.

      But you know, nobody ever even considers that. Oh, sure, let’s just have dogs all over the place! It’s a great plan! Everybody loves puppies! *sigh*

      • crazedhare says:

        Oh no, not YOUR happiness. I didn’t realize how much more important it was than anyone else’s happiness.

  5. TBGBoodler says:

    Pooches aren’t allowed at our farmers’ markets here where I live. Thank goodness.

    • Difdi says:

      Yeah, you get enough dust, dirt and disease just from the insects, wild animals, wind-blown debris and people fondling the merchandise without washing their hands first. Thank goodness you’ve entirely avoided contamination by banning dogs!

      • Arcaeris says:

        It’s not about contamination, it’s about the hassle of being around annoying dogs. Not everyone is a dog lover, get over yourself.

        Also, at the one farmer’s market I have gone to that did allow dogs (against State law) the dogs were constantly trying to get into this baker’s chocolate stash under her booth. The owners were like, “Oh, they’re just hungry, don’t mind them,” but the baker was like “Uh, your dogs could die if they eat what’s under here?” Good plan, let your dogs run wild around poison.

      • Ichabod says:

        Prick.

    • Laura Northrup says:

      They are at some of the farmer’s markets around here, but not the biggest/best one. They had issues in the past with dogs fighting and had to ban them.

      • NarcolepticGirl says:

        Last weekend, there was a History Festival in the same square as the Farmers Market.
        We were watching some guys on stage talk about appalachian music and then two dogs started fighting right in front of the stage. Both the owners looked clueless.

  6. George says:

    Unless they are service animals, it is generally against state health codes to allow people to bring their pets into a food service area because of food contamination and sanitation reasons. Also, not everyone is comfortable around animals. I was out walking my neighbor’s dog and a young lady came walking down the sidewalk and nearly had a panic attack when she saw the dog.

    • GuyGuidoEyesSteveDaveâ„¢ says:

      My Ex always related stories about how when she was in class at college(her school endorsed and hosted Seeing Eye puppehs in training), when she had the German Shepard, he would be passed out sleeping under a table, and after 20 minutes, someone would notice him and start freaking out. I mean, I am SOOO afraid of spiders. But if I walk in somewhere, and see a tarantula sitting there 10 feet away, not moving, I am not going to freak out.

      • Pax says:

        To be fair … as a small child, and even into my early teens, I was PETRIFIED of larger dogs. ESPECIALLY, German Shepherds. To the point where I would cross the street, to avoid one … even when it was leashed AND behind a six-foot fence.

        Of course, my fear had a very good reason: I was nearly MAULED by a german shepherd when I was ~3 years old. My parents, or so I am told, were beating it with a two-by-four to get it to let go of my arm; if it had shook me, I wouldn’t HAVE a left arm.

        One of my earliest memories is running, screaming in terror, from my own parents … jumping over the sofa and hiding behind it, BEGGING them in tears to leave me alone … because it was time to change the bandage, and that always hurt. I’m not talking pinch- or -pinprick-level pain, I’m talking SCREAMING AGONY pain. It was literally the worst pain I had ever felt in my then-very-short life. (They ended up, for weeks, having to go to the hospital, where they had some solution or other to soak the bandage in and soften the scabs, so the bandage could be taken off without as much pain. It still hurt enough to put me in tears, but it was still FAR less pain.)

        And thirty-six years later, I _still_ have scars. And I _still_ give large, possibly-unfriendly dogs a WIDE berth.

        • Gandalf the Grey says:

          I had a very similar experience with two boxers when I was three. Someone had let them loose in the neighborhood and they had come up on our deck where I was playing. My Dad came out with a baseball bat when he heard me scream, and because of that only one of the dogs actually got a hold of me. That dog never left our yard.

          At this point, after 24 years, I am still a little skiddish around new dogs, but I can make myself get over it. I have even become friends with quite a few of my friend’s dogs, and I take care of my sister’s dog while she is away at college. But I still have a hard time even being around a boxer. I can’t force myself to stand beside one, much less pet it, even if I know the owner, and know it’s a friendly dog.

          • Difdi says:

            When I was a kid, there was this guy a few blocks from my parents house who had three BIG dobermans. He had them trained to harass school kids on their way to and from the school bus stop. He would stand on his porch and laugh his ass off at the screams. The dogs never touched a kid, or left their yard, but they really put on an impressively nasty threat display as we walked by on the sidewalk.

            It kinda took the wind out of the guy’s sails when me and a few other guys befriended the dogs, turning them into slobbering friendly puppies in our presence… =)

        • Sunflower1970 says:

          My dad’s in insurance. His company refuses to insure any pit bulls, rottweilers, dobermans or German shepherds because of the injury they can cause and also because of the number of claims they had gotten over the years due to these particular breeds.

          • Difdi says:

            Do they also refuse to insure people who are habitually in close proximity to homo sapiens? Humans are more dangerous, alone or in groups (especially in groups) than any dog…

            • Sunflower1970 says:

              They do look at people’s credit reports, and depending on how good or bad they are they may or may not choose to insure you…

              Sounds like you’re a little upset that this company, who makes their own rules, have chosen to not allow these breeds…It’s their decision what & who they will insure and what & who they won’t. (They don’t do life insurance, just home & auto)

              • Skankingmike says:

                The issue is these reports are actually wrong. Dalmatians usually rank up there with aggressive along with other smaller dogs like collies and small terrier breeds.

                They’re basing their facts on mysticism and guess work.

                Pit bulls that are bread to fight are outliers as are any dog bread to fight, and in fact most people don’t even know what pit bulls look like and often confuse them with American Bulldogs.

                Facts are amazing things.

                here’s something to help your and your fathers companies ignorance.

                http://www.americanhumane.org/assets/docs/protecting-animals/PA-resources-pit-bull-myths.pdf

                Ever notice why police use German Shepard’s and not Pit Bulls?

                • Sunflower1970 says:

                  Each of the breeds I’ve mentioned his company has had multiple claims against the owners where it wasn’t worth it to insure them any more.

          • GuyGuidoEyesSteveDaveâ„¢ says:

            No Huskies? Those things are vicious. I knew at least one person who was denied homeowners insurance due to a Huskie.

    • Difdi says:

      The validity of that would in my mind depend on the dog. Chihuahua? Not scary. Irish wolfhound? That might be another story…

      In any event, if you’re that scared of something, be it dogs, midgets, spiders or whatever, it’s your responsibility to avoid situations where you’d be closely confronted with them, which might include not going out in public. Freaking out and demanding other people curtail their own lifestyle to accommodate yours while taking no responsibility for yourself is unreasonable.

      • dpeters11 says:

        I’d much rather come across an Irish Wolfhound than a Chihuahua or Yorkie type. Just don’t trust the those types of breeds. Pugs are fine.

      • MaxPower says:

        So if you’re afraid of dogs you should never leave your house because some people insist on taking their dog into a super market? That is the most ridiculous thing ever.
        Yes, it would make sense to avoid a park or pet store or something but the point of this post is that dogs are being taken EVERYWHERE and it’s a more recent phenomenon. I’m pretty sure that is dog owner’s changing their lifestyles – not the other way around.

      • oldwiz65 says:

        Breed of dog doesn’t really make that much difference.

        In our town there is one black lab that is one of the most friendly and well behaved dogs I know.

        Then there is another black lab that is the most nasty vicious dog I have ever seen and has bitten people walking on a public street and the police don’t do a damn thing about it, despite leash laws. The owner says the dog is friendly, but the neighbor kids are terrified of it. Maybe we will be lucky and the nasty lab will get a nice case of lead poisoning.

    • mrscoach says:

      It doesn’t have to be a big dog. I was bitten in several places by a small chihuahua type dog when I was young (don’t remember exactly what kind). It wasn’t serious, but it scared me and it HURT. I was terrified of small dogs for years. I still have scars on my knee.

  7. FreshPorcupineSalad says:

    Unless the store or restaurant is “pet friendly” and pets are expected to be in there, then they don’t belong.

  8. Etoiles says:

    My 8th grade science teacher had his god, a rescue greyhound, in school one day. I remember that day very fondly.

    I don’t have a problem with the rare animal in a place of business, with the exception of places selling food. I don’t want Rex inside in a restaurant or grocery store.

    • acasto says:

      I think I would remember that day too. First that there is a god, and second that he’s a greyhound.

      j/k

  9. Matt says:

    Ugh hell no. At my place of work we get more than our share of purse dog owners and I’ve never had a pleasant experience with them. Seeing eye dogs only please.

  10. Destron says:

    The laws very by state – When I worked for Walmart we had to ask the person coming in if the animal was a service animal or not – if they said no we could tell them not to bring it in – if they said yes we had to let them bring it in and legally could not question them on it. That was the end of the matter. Even if we knew without question there was no way in hell it was a service animal.

    • gigwave says:

      Service animals are not just seeing eye dogs. If the purse-rat can sense the user’s narcolepsy a minute before they drop, it’s a service dog.

      • Destron says:

        I understand that, but most people don’t and that was the reason behind the law. A service animal can be anything.

  11. hegemony says:

    All dog lovers are oblivious to how nasty and disgusting they are and just assume everybody else loves them as much as they do. Get a hint dog lovers, keep them at home and keep them quiet. If I wanted to hear a nasty disgusting animal bark I’d shoot at it.

    • pop top says:

      If you wanted to hear something, you’d shoot it? That doesn’t make sense…

    • NarcolepticGirl says:

      Exactly

      • pop top says:

        You agree with someone who wants to kill dogs for doing something that comes completely natural to them (barking)?

        • NarcolepticGirl says:

          I’m guessing he is exaggerating about that part. (didn’t even make much sense).

          Sort of like the “babies should go in the cargo” replies to posts relating to airlines.

          but this, I can agree with: “All dog lovers are oblivious to how nasty and disgusting they are and just assume everybody else loves them as much as they do.”

          • pop top says:

            And you’re exaggerating that part. I’m a dog person but I wouldn’t assume that everyone loves any dog of mine as much as I do or wants the dog jumping on them, etc. It’s moronic to generalize like that. There are inconsiderate dog owners but that doesn’t mean they all are.

            • pecan 3.14159265 says:

              Well put. In fact, I’ll even say that I’m probably a bit biased because I’ve really never met a bad dog owner. The ones I encounter on the street are respectful of other people’s space, they keep their dogs close as to not crowd the sidewalk or let their pooch disturb other people, and I’ve never been barked at or jumped on. I’ve been sniffed by a dog, but dogs sniff everything. I can’t assume all owners are good or bad, but well-behaved dogs speak for themselves.

              • NarcolepticGirl says:

                Oh, you’re lucky.
                Just read some of the comments… dogs shitting in offices, pissing in banks, attacking children, etc.
                Where I lived in Boston, the dogs were USUALLY behaved (except for a pitbull that went to jump on me as I was walking home – but the owner was quick to pull him away).
                Around here, I think it’s more a rural thing. I’ve never seen so much dog roadkill in my life.
                People here raise there dogs in the country – and they usually stay outside. So when brought in public – the dogs are almost “wild” rather than domestic.

            • NarcolepticGirl says:

              I think it goes without saying that I’m generalizing based on my experiences.

          • cybrczch says:

            Read his previous posts – he does not like dogs period.

    • pecan 3.14159265 says:

      I think it is you who should stay at home if you have that kind of attitude toward people and animals.

    • JulesNoctambule says:

      My, don’t you sound like a real charmer!

    • Marshmelly says:

      Not only does your last statement make no sense, but you sound like a very bitter and angry person who hates animals (and I’ll go out on a limb and say babies and/or small children in public places as well). I’m all for there being restrictions on people bringing pets everywhere as well, but wtf? You’d shoot a dog? I don’t think the dog is the “nasty and disgusting” one here…

    • SkokieGuy says:

      But the worst is nasty breastfeeding mothers with pets, right?

  12. P_Smith says:

    A seeing eye dog is there for a functional reason as much as someone using a wheelchair. Just because it’s an animal doesn’t make the situation any different. Otherwise, there is no need to bring an animal into a place of business, and businesses should have the right to refuse.

    I can’t find it, but there was a man who successfully sued a civic bus company because the driver refused to let him on with the dog, including driving past the bus stop without stopping witnessed by a friend of the blind person.

    Another similar case is Frank Senior in 2009, forced off a bus because of his seeing eye dog:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=AsQDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=%2Bbus+%2Bblind+%2Bdog+%2Blawsuit&source=bl&ots=TILY8HdVOY&sig=Lqp1d4bherPSekohJ-RCjZqQROw&hl=en&ei=SnVtTIOOMsyrcYbVxa4N&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%2Bbus%20%2Bblind%20%2Bdog%20%2Blawsuit&f=false

    Oh – and miners don’t need to take canaries with them anymore. There’s plenty of electronic measuring equipment that works better. ^_^

    .

  13. slim150 says:

    Ugh that picture makes me so mad.
    I can’t stand when people go “Oh he won’t bite” or “Hes just saying hi”.. I DONT CARE. I don’t want your butt licking dog hoping up on me.

    • strathmeyer says:

      I feel the same way about children.

    • Rectilinear Propagation says:

      I can’t stand when people go “Oh he won’t bite” or “Hes just saying hi”.. I DONT CARE.

      Yeah, I don’t get why dog owners can’t understand that. Your large, scary looking dog is barking and straining to get at someone who is frozen in fear. They do not want you to claim that your dog is harmless (Does anyone believe them when they say that anyway?), they want you to pull your dog away from them.

    • Difdi says:

      Yeah, you wouldn’t want competition for your own butt licking, eh?

    • jbandsma says:

      The picture might make you mad but if I read the sentence right, the BUSINESS provides ‘doggie high chairs’ so they are evidently the ones to blame.

    • Bunklung says:

      As far as jumping is concerned, I agree. Any dog which jumps on a human (unless directed too), is an untrained dog. Untrained dogs give the rest of dogs a bad name.

  14. UrIt says:

    i don’t really like dogs, so i don’t want to see them in my places of work, shopping, and food purchase/consumption. i don’t bring my cat everywhere. leave the pooch at home, not everyone gives a flying fruitcake about it.

    service dogs on the other hand i’m absolutely fine with because they have a very important purpose and aren’t there to be “oHsOcUtIEwHoOtIe!”

  15. defectiveburger says:

    Service animals are fine. Period, no question.

    In pet stores, like a freestanding Petsmart/Petco, fine, they’re welcome. If said store is like within a mall or other closed structure, keep em out.

    In ANY other establishment – grocery stores, target, walmart, classrooms, HELL NO. WTF are people thinking when they bring dogs with them everywhere??? It’s obnoxious, it’s rude, I HATE having strangers’ dogs sniffing at me, and really, yes, I am rather allergic to your dog.

    The absolute worst was watching my University’s security guard have to clean up dog urine in the middle of the library because someone put a purse down, picked it up 5 minutes later, and left a lovely yellow puddle underneath.

    Disgusting.

    • fs2k2isfun says:

      You’ve obviously never been to Europe where people bring dogs everywhere, including restaurants.

      • Rectilinear Propagation says:

        We’re talking about the United States, not Europe.

      • adrienna says:

        So what? Did you just want everyone to know that you’ve been out of the US?

      • artichokeheart says:

        I have been to Europe and I didn’t see a single animal inside a store of any kind. At parks, walking down the street, perhaps sitting at someone’s feet while they ate at a table on a sidewalk outside of a cafe. But that was it. Don’t know what countries you are speaking of, though. Europe is a big place.

        • myCatCracksMeUp says:

          Agree. I’ve spent quite a bit of time in many major European cities, and a fair amount of time in a few mid sized towns. NEVER once have I seen a dog in a store or a restaurant. Maybe sitting beside an outside table at a restaurant, but never inside.

    • strathmeyer says:

      I feel the same way about children.

  16. Sunflower1970 says:

    Pets in a grocery store? No way. Aren’t there health regulations for a store like that (Or one of the super walmarts, targets, etc?) Outdoor farmer’s market? No, doesn’t bug me, not really.

    Inside a restaurant? No. Outside on a patio? doesn’t bother me. I choose to be inside anyway.

    It’s not the pets that really bother me, it’s the owners. Not every owner is going to be careful with their animals. And sorry to the good pet owners, it’s those few bad apples that hurts the whole bushel.

    (Service animals are a completely different story, since they are trained to be obedient at all times. I’ve never seen one who has caused a scene.)

  17. ohiomensch says:

    I have an acquaintance who got her german shepard certified as a service specifically so she could take the dog everywhere. She even got it certified as a drug sniffer so she could keep it at work with her. (she is a teacher at a private school.) Tho there is a genuine need for service animals, some folks have figured out how to abuse the system to appease their unnatural attachments to their pets. Like Handicapped placards, anyone with a hangnail can get one.

    • UltimateOutsider says:

      I would like to punch that acquaintance of yours. I actually love dogs- especially service dogs- but I don’t like having strange dogs sniff me or leave surprises on the floor when I’m trying to shop for something. What she’s doing is a clear abuse of the system.

      • SaraFimm says:

        I feel she made her dog a useful, trained for a purpose pet rather than the typical useless personal fun pet most people have. Trained dogs are also more likely to get bored at home so making them useful in a busy location was probably the best thing she could do. I’m sure her dog is not bored often and has lots of things to do from working it’s trained job or just greeting students and faculty. Plus, I’m sure she has lots of people willing to take care of the dog and it’s personal needs since it’s so well trained.

        Dogs were originally used as trained workers for humans. That is how they should be. Not purse fluff.

  18. Ilovegnomes says:

    Farmer’s Market Certification Guidelines state that (via my local county), ” No live animals, birds, or fowl may be kept or allowed within 20 feet of any area where food is stored or held for sale. Guide dogs, signal dogs, or service dogs when used within the meaning specified by Section 54.1 of the Civil Code are exempt from this paragraph.” So if the law says no, then no.

    If there are health code reasons for this in places where food is sold and served (other than outdoor patio areas), then yeah, I don’t want to see animals present. Usually non-food stores that welcome dogs (in my area) have dog bowls full of water outside, dog welcome signs, etc. I like this method of operation because it clearly lets you know the shop owner’s stance on the subject and gives people the option of enter or not entering based on their stance on this issue.

    • Wombatish says:

      Pretty much that whole second paragraph.

      No places with food (outside is ok IF the owner of the business says it is, if they asks you to leave/not bring the dog back, you listen), the business gets to decide if they welcome dogs, it should be made clear it’s a dog-friendly place, and most of all, don’t take a non-trained dog out in public.

      Don’t get me wrong, I love dogs (with a few exceptions) and a well trained (or even moderately trained with a decent owner who realizes the dog is doing something bad – like jumping – and corrects it/stops it) dog in a dog friendly place is great.

      But what kind of self-entitled idiot (there’s not really another proper word for it) thinks the rules just -don’t apply- and that their dog is ‘special’ enough to go somewhere it’s specifically not allowed? Can I bring my theoretical horse to wal-mart? (Yes I know that one lady did) And better yet, what do you want to bet that those people who bring their dogs would get pissed!

      P.S. Just because I don’t want you to bring it inside DOES NOT mean I want you to leave it in the car or tied up outside either. Leaving it in the car is dangerous and cruel, and leaving it tied up can be, if something goes wrong. Just leave your dog at home. And if you ‘can’t’, train it so it can handle being home alone, that’s a rather important skill for a dog to have, really, you can’t be with it all the time.

      (All of this excludes service animals of course, I think that goes without saying).

    • Difdi says:

      So, I find myself wondering, does your county issue cease & desist notices to the local squirrels?

      And if regulations require they drive off wildlife, how would that intersect with laws making it a crime to harass endangered or protected species?

  19. ynot says:

    America has gone over the edge when it comes to pets. Every year we spend more on dog food than text books. You should see the reaction of people from the developing world when they see how disconnected we are from our fellow man but enter our super markets and see an entire aisle devoted to pet food. They shake their heads.

    Sure pets brings joy into people’s otherwise pathetic lives but they have misplaced the importance of talking to neighbors, playing with children, and caring for the lonely elderly. We have become wholly disconnected from the things other cultures value that are much more important than pets, sports, and celebrity.

    Dogs allowed in businesses? Just say no to all this nonsense and get a grip on a more balanced life with true interactions with other humans who need the attention you shower on a furry thing.

    Veterinary acupuncturists, dogs on Prozac, sick in a world with so many people without basic needs met.

  20. pecan 3.14159265 says:

    IMO, it has nothing to do with the dog’s presence or behavior; it has to do with the owner’s sense of entitlement and lack of boundaries. I think some people completely lose their minds when they think they can bring their pet into a business just because a few other businesses do it. If you don’t know whether your pet is welcome there, ask first! Don’t just do it!

    If the business allows dogs to sit on the patio with their owners while the owners dine, that’s fine and up to the business. If farmers markets lets dogs in that’s okay with me too. I love dogs. Seeing them makes me happy. I just want owners to respect the rules so that when businesses don’t want dogs on their premises, the owners understand and abide by the rules.

    • UltimateOutsider says:

      “sense of entitlement and lack of boundaries”

      That is exactly right.

    • Alvis says:

      It blows my mind that people think it’s OK to let their dogs piss on my property. Would you let your kid urinate on a neighbor’s lawn?

      • Ilovegnomes says:

        “Would you let your kid urinate on a neighbor’s lawn?”

        My friend was fed up with one of her neighbors letting her dog urinate and defecate on her lawn so she sent her kid over to that neighbor’s house to do the same thing. Problem solved!

      • DoubleBaconVeggieBurger says:

        If I let my kid urinate on my own lawn, I don’t see why I wouldn’t let him urinate on yours.

        I’m sure the squirrels hold it when they’re on your property.

        • Rectilinear Propagation says:

          I don’t see why I wouldn’t let him urinate on yours.

          Because it isn’t your property and you shouldn’t be damaging stuff that doesn’t belong to you.

          Besides, I’ve never heard of squirrels destroying someone’s lawn.

      • pecan 3.14159265 says:

        We’re talking about businesses here. Unless you run a store out of your home and keep your doors open from 9 am to 6 pm, I don’t see how your statement really applies.

    • Clyde Barrow says:

      OMG you are so correct. Great post.

    • HogwartsProfessor says:

      PERFECT. +10.

  21. Rectilinear Propagation says:

    Unless it’s a pet friendly business where the owner has specifically OK’ed this then no, people should not be bringing their pets into stores. That is rude and inconsiderate. It doesn’t matter if it isn’t a grocery store or restaurant; people don’t want pet hair and dander on their merchandise. Not to mention that they don’t want to have to clean up after your dog.

  22. GuyGuidoEyesSteveDaveâ„¢ says:

    When we were raising one of The Seeing Eye puppehs, we decided to take him to Panera with us. Since a puppy in training isn’t afforded the same rights as a certified animal, we called ahead and got permission from the manager to bring him with us. Before we went in, the Ex went in first and showed the employees/manager his ID and explained what we were doing. Once we got the OK, we brought him in and ate. About halfway through, some lady got offended, because her daughter was apparently allergic to dogs and couldn’t believe that the puppy, who was laying right next to table literally like a stuffed dog, was allowed into a business. Thankfully, the manager ran interference for us, because, restaurants are a kind of gray zone when it comes to the puppy training process. They don’t say no explicitly, but they don’t encourage it that much. I should note the ladies “highly allergic” daughter was all the way across the room, and honestly didn’t look like she even noticed there was a dog around at all. Besides, between the Ex and I, we had 6 different kinds of cat hair on us, as well as two different kind of dog hair, and were probably shedding it more than the dog was.

    I do wonder how this lady would have reacted to a larger dog who was actually performing a service…

    • NarcolepticGirl says:

      Did the dog have a little sign outfit thing on?
      Like “in Training” jacket?

      • GuyGuidoEyesSteveDaveâ„¢ says:

        At the time, no. They just gave you ID cards, and maybe a TSE bandanna. They have since started making them available to the trainers.

        • Noby Noby Boy says:

          Must be one of the same people who are ‘highly allergic’ to any hint of cigarette smoke.

    • ninabi says:

      This is one dog issue I strongly support. I think the dogs in training need the exposure and experience. Thank you for raising these puppies- it’s important work.

  23. NarcolepticGirl says:

    No.

    First of all, there have been occasions where I have been eating on a patio and someone’s dog sat there and barked at everyone walking by – it was very annoying. The dog also sniffed and almost tripped the waitress.
    My sister told me that she was eating outside of some burrito place and her friend’s dog took a shit right there. That’s nasty.

    Also, I don’t like dogs.
    Most of them scare me.

    Owners (like some parents), don’t realize that not everyone loves their dogs slobbering, jumping on or sniffing people.
    Also, a lot of owners (like parents), don’t understand that rules apply to everyone and their little doggie poo is not exempt.

    • pecan 3.14159265 says:

      Similar behavior can also be attributed to children. In both cases, it’s the responsibility of the parents or owners to control their children or animals. Dogs sniff people – children like to touch and grab. Maybe I’ve been spoiled by being around decent dog owners, but I’ve never been barked at by a dog sitting on the patio with its owners.

    • brinks says:

      But I don’t have kids, and if I don’t have my dog, who can I blame if I “accidentally” shoplift?

      http://consumerist.com/2010/07/mom-banned-from-whole-foods-for-inadvertent-shoplifting.html

    • Rickdude says:

      I have noted in my visits to Germany that places are a bit more relaxed regarding dogs. BUT the dogs I have noted in public places have been unbelievably well behaved. They sit/lie under the owners chair and generally don’t move until it’s time to go.

      I was once in the breakfast room of a pension (like a big Bed & Breakfast) and a little dog in there barked. Just one bark. The looks on the people in the room! You would have thought that he had just jumped up on the buffet. The owner was terribly embarassed and left a few minutes after.

      If that kind of care and responsibility was universal, I’d be more okay with dogs in public places. Until that day comes, however…

    • c_c says:

      Sounds like you need to be socialized to dogs. You’ll find that in general they’re a lot nicer than most people.

  24. Destra says:

    Dogs are animals and as such should not be taken inside stores. Whether or not a store owner wants to allow pets into their business is up to them, but I would be less willing to buy things from a store where the goods come in contact with pet hair, slobber, and waste. And of course, no animals should ever, ever go inside a restaurant.

    Obvious exceptions: assistance pets like seeing eye dogs.

    Dogs at work is a different issue. Work is a place you must be for at least 8 hours a day, and it makes it easier on you and your pet if you can bring them into the office with you. There are some offices that bring customers in that need to portray a sense of professionalism that dogs wouldn’t bring (like law firms), and anywhere where physical duties are part of your job.

    • Ilovegnomes says:

      I agree with your point about dogs, customers and professionalism. I had a doctor start bringing his dog to work and I switched doctors after that. I found it really unprofessional, unhygienic and unsympathetic to people with medical conditions.

    • pecan 3.14159265 says:

      So dogs shouldn’t be allowed in businesses, but dogs should be allowed to go with people to work…so what about the shopowner who wants to take his dog to work?

    • Difdi says:

      Humans are also animals, who have been trained not to poop on random spots on the ground, much like many dogs have been. Humans should be banned from such places as well!

  25. H3ion says:

    Why stop at dogs? I tie my horse up to the hitching post in front of my office and no one cares. SteveDave, a balancing act question. Granted that a helper dog may be necessary for its owner, but if another patron is severely allergic, to the point of an asthma attack, where do you draw the line? (I know people like this and it’s not fun to watch them gasping for breath when Fluffy’s owner decides to let her run free.) They can ban peanut butter from schools due to potential allergic reactions. Why not dogs?

    • Rectilinear Propagation says:

      I know people like this and it’s not fun to watch them gasping for breath when Fluffy’s owner decides to let her run free.

      Except in SteveDave’s specific example the service dog in training was not “running free”. In general, a real service animal or a potential service animal that’s being properly trained is going to be much more behaved than a regular dog.

      They can ban peanut butter from schools due to potential allergic reactions. Why not dogs?

      Because it’s a service animal, not a snack. It may take some doing to keep a service dog away from a student with severe allergies but you don’t take the service animal away from the disabled student.

    • Wombatish says:

      Why would you put one disability over another? Even with the argument that the allergic reaction could be fatal, being without a service dog really could be too, or at least make life almost unlivable for the people who depend on them without some serious re-learning of, well, living.

      While I agree that it would be unfortunate for a school to have someone severely allergic to a dog and a student with a seeing eye dog, I think it would simply have to be a matter of keeping them apart. It’s not fair or really, reasonable, to kick one out over the other. They should also both be given the chance to leave (facilitate a transfer to another school/help with transportation somehow since it’s probably farther) if they don’t like the ‘keeping apart’ solution.

      ALSO, allergies to anything other than food/other ingestibles (ingredients in medicines, etc) are -rarely- as lethal as food allergies. You aren’t eating the dog (hopefully! :P). The schools ban peanut products so the kid doesn’t have an uncomfortable reaction/or accidentally eat something they didn’t realize had peanuts in it because they were ‘sharing’ food.

      Personally, the peanut bans are a necessary evil. I don’t agree with having to bend my life for someone else to that degree (it -does- require a fair bit of extra work and costs for everyone) especially in a public school where ‘leaving’ isn’t really an option unless I want to cut through red tape and go further away, but at the same time I understand the seriousness of the health risks and I don’t think the parents should be forced to home school the kid until they are old enough to realize they really, really can’t have anyone else’s food/handle their own allergy.

      In my ideal fantasy world, the solution would probably be something more like the student’s teacher/classroom gets a free, permanent helper to help watch the student and make sure they don’t accidentally eat anyone else’s food, and no food is allowed in the classrooms. Lunches are stored elsewhere (hire someone to sit there and watch them all day if you’re worried about them being out of sight or something) and then the child just has to eat somewhere else from everyone else, maybe let some of their friends come in and eat with them if they know to follow the “no peanut” rule, so it’s not completely miserable.

      Still not perfect, more costly, etc etc, and that’s just how it’s always going to be. Sorry for the OT rant but peanut bans have always kind of gotten on my nerves a bit.

      But yeah, peanut ban and banning service dogs are not the same thing at all. No one has a seeing eye peanut.

    • mrscoach says:

      If someone is that allergic to dogs, then just being around someone who had been around a dog would set them off. I’ve known someone like that. So having a service animal around, who are usually well groomed and not as prone to causing allergies as other animals, is no more likely to set off an attack than being around the owner.

  26. Ladybird says:

    It depends on the place for me. Around here, a lot of bars with patio’s will host a “Yappy Hour” during the summer. It’s pretty popular and a lot of fun if you like hanging out with doggies.

  27. Thanatos says:

    I love dogs as much as anyone but they shouldn’t be allowed in businesses unless they are a service animal.

    • strathmeyer says:

      I feel the exact same way about children.

      • Marshmelly says:

        what are service children?…

        • nybiker says:

          Way back when, in the days before TVs had remote controls, my mom called to one of my brothers. He came downstairs, asked her what she wanted and she said, ‘Please change the channel to CBS”.

      • kjs87 says:

        I’m not entirely sure how you feel about children yet. I am considering getting my children jackets that say “Service Child,” when I have kids, though.

  28. lacklustermusings says:

    It is only okay to bring your non-service dog to a place of business if the business is animal friendly. In many cities there are notices or stickers on the window that say whether or not animals are allowed.

  29. Promethean Sky says:

    I just want to be able to bring my pets on the bus with no hassle. How else am I supposed to get them to the vet?

    • missdona says:

      Can you take them in a carrier?

      • Clyde Barrow says:

        yeah I think in these situations, a carrier is required and it should not be a problem. even though fido may not like it, it cuts down on liability too.

        • Rain says:

          When commuting by bus to my previous job I’d frequently see the same couple get on and off with their large dog in a doggy stroller. I’d never realized those things could actually have a practical purpose.

    • InsertPithyNicknameHere says:

      You bring up a very valid point. This never occurred to me because where I live, public transport is sparse, so a car is pretty much required. But if you have a dog, or a cat (or a rat or snake or whatever), it needs to get regular check-ups. And not everybody’s going to be living within walking distance of their vet.
      So, I’ll amend my opinion to “well-behaved pets should be allowed into pet-related business and public transport.”

      • pecan 3.14159265 says:

        Yep. You’re not allowed to take pets on the DC Metro. My vet is a 30-40 minute drive during rush hour and we only have one car. If I could just take him on the metro with me, we’d be able to skip all the congestion and we could go any night of the week instead of having to coordinate appointments on the weekend (which are the busiest).

        • Wombatish says:

          It should probably be call ahead (to the bus company) + carrier, and then I think it would be ok.

          Public transportation is kind of an iffy spot, but I think it could be/probably is worked around.

    • LisaLisa says:

      I live in Boston and your dog (if controlled) is allowed on the bus or the subway, I think during off-peak hours only (but I bet any time would be fine). I think the issue of bringing dogs into places is different in a city, as well- it is common to have dogs if you are seated on a patio (i’ve done it before, and never even asked ahead of time- it is very very common). I think that within reason, it should be fine (e.x. your dog is small, doesn’t pee/poop around the store, is quiet, not jumping on people, etc.) in most stores as well. Grocery stores and the inside of restaurants, I can definitely understand not bringing dogs in.

    • LisaLisa says:

      PS Carriers are not required for public transportation- only a leash.

    • brinks says:

      I dislike the location where I live, but at least I can walk to the vet. There’s no other way for me other than trying to bum a ride.

      It sucks.

    • pdxtechguy says:

      TriMet (Portland, OR and area transit system) says the following:

      http://trimet.org/pdfs/code/TriMet_Code_Chapter_28.pdf

      Trimet Code Chapter 28

      28.15 REGULATIONS GOVERNING CONDUCT ON DISTRICT PROPERTY.
      A. Prohibited Activities on District Transit System:
      (1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 have been omitted)
      (6) Animals Except Properly Controlled Assistance Animals and Properly Contained Pets: No person shall bring or carry aboard a District Vehicle or be present in or upon a District Station with an animal except:
      (a) A person accompanied by an assistance animal or a person training an assistance animal, so long as the animal is under the control of the person by leash, harness or other device made for the purpose of controlling the movement of an animal.
      (b) A person transporting a pet if: (a) the animal is kept and held at all times within a secure container appropriate and constructed for carrying the size and type of animal; and (b) the animal can be transported (i) without risk of injury to the animal and without risk of harm or inconvenience to other riders or District personnel, and (ii) in accordance with all other provisions of the TriMet Code.
      (c) A trained police dog accompanied by a peace officer.

  30. Alfred says:

    No…. It’s just that dogs are animals and don’t behave well around me no matter what I say.

  31. AngryK9 says:

    Hmm…

    Dog in Walmart

    Lazy owner

    Dog poo

    Sue happy country….

    Any questions?

  32. Warren - aka The Piddler on the Roof says:

    So if you leave a pet on its own and something happens to it in a store, can the pet owner sue the store? If the pet attacks someone can the victim sue the store, or just the owner?

    What if the pet takes a dump in the aisle? Does the store have to clean it up? If I slip in dog crap and fall, who’s to blame? The pet owner or the store?

    In this overly litigious society of ours, letting a pet roam free is a recipe for disaster. Now, a mild-mannered pet on a leash is another story. I see them in stores all the time here in Portland and I personally have no problem with it.

  33. JohnnyD says:

    I work at a hardware store with a greenhouse in the summer. We get dogs in the greenhouse frequently enough, and it’s no trouble so long as they’re on leashes. We even have some regulars that always bring their dogs, so its fun. Sometimes people bring dogs in the store itself, but when they do that, they usually carry the dog if it’s small enough. We once had a poodle running free in the entry area- it had jumped out the window of the car and followed its owner as far as it could get. But man, we love dogs, so even that wasn’t a big deal.

  34. Pax says:

    I don’t personally mind dogs; I like the friendly ones, and will even go out of my way to say “hi” and give them a brief pat or two on the head.

    But, no – they shouldn’t be allowed anywhere and everywhere. It’s acceptible to bring them to places centered on Travel (where dogs are allowed to be passengers), to places whose business directly relates to dogs (PetCo, a veterinarian’s office, a grooming salon, etc), and to public, outdoor places.

    All else is off limits, food-service or not.

  35. UltimateOutsider says:

    We were at Home Depot a couple weeks ago, and there were at least four people in the store walking their dogs, and I just didn’t understand it. Parents only take their kids places like that when they have to (since it’s generally unsafe and definitely illegal to leave them at home unattended)- most parents would LOVE to leave the kids at home when they shopped for hardware or groceries, but they often don’t have that option. Dogs don’t play with the stove or get into the medicine cabinet when they’re left at home alone… so why to pet owners need to complicate their trips by dragging them along?

    • ninabi says:

      I’ve noticed lots of dogs in hardware stores, too and wondered is there an agreement that it’s okay to bring them to Home Depot.

      This only happened once but I did see two girls pass each other in an aisle, both with dogs and then all of a sudden, the dogs began fighting viciously, snarling and snapping. Turned my cart around as they pried the dogs apart.

    • jbandsma says:

      Dogs DO play with the stove and ours are big enough to open the medicine cabinet if we leave the bathroom door open. We even had one that opened the refrigerator regularly and shared out whatever food he could find with the cats. We learned to ‘lock’ the door.

      One who would counter surf and thought nylon utensils were chew toys. Now, I admit, if they were smaller this probably wouldn’t have happened but our favorite breed is a very large and smart one and we have a heck of a time keeping up with them.

      But they all have very good manners when out in public and we go nowhere without paper towels and plastic bags.

  36. drburk says:

    No. Dogs are animals, wild animals, regardless of how well “trained” or managed they are. If you want to let your dog act like a person I’ll treat it like one. If it barks or growls at me I will alert management that someone is threatening me because that’s what a bark is. If your dog jumps up on me I’ll hit it in the face or spray it with mace because that’s what I would do to you if you put two hands on me. If your dog poops on the floor I’ll call the health department because that’s what I would do if you pooped on the floor. Dogs smell, are dirty, people are allergic to them, and they attack people on a regular basis. People cannot bite, scratch, jump up on or yell at people so don’t say your dog should be treated like a person it’s not one.

    • womynist says:

      Thank. You. I completely agree.

    • pop top says:

      Dogs aren’t wild animals. :)

      • drburk says:

        They may be “domesticated” but by nature they are hunters and animals. They attack regardless of training I’ve been attacked for simple taking an afternoon jog through my neighborhood being bitten just after the homeowner said “ohh don’t worry he is harmless”.

        • DarthCoven says:

          Again, instance of terrible owner not properly training their dog. A well trained dog will not attacked unless provoked, and some wont even fight back if they are submissive enough. You being bitten on an afternoon jog is purely the result of a bad owner who didn’t keep his poorly trained dog under control. You have every right to be angry about that dog and its owner, but you are wrong to dismiss all dogs as dangerous, filthy creatures.

    • HogwartsProfessor says:

      People cannot bite, scratch, jump up on or yell at people so don’t say your dog should be treated like a person it’s not one.

      Sure they can. (Although I agree with the second part of your sentence.)

    • DarthCoven says:

      “Dogs are animals, wild animals”

      No, dogs are domesticated animals and have been so for tens of thousands of years.

      “someone is threatening me because that’s what a bark is’

      A bark can be one of dozens of communications from a dog. Every time my dog barks at me he isn’t threatening me. More often than not he’s acting as my pre-emptive doorbell or saying “Gimme chicken jerky!”

      “Dogs smell, are dirty, people are allergic to them, and they attack people on a regular basis”

      Way to generalize. A well groomed and oft-bathed dog does not smell nor is it dirty. Many breeds are hypoallergenic, and only poorly trained dogs will attack unprovoked. Blame the owner, not the animal on these.

      “People cannot bite, scratch, jump up on or yell at people so don’t say your dog should be treated like a person it’s not one.’

      No, people shoot, stab, punch, hit with blunt objects, curse you out, etc.

      And you just spent your entire post saying “your dog did this, I equate it to a person doing this so I will react to your dog as if it is a person”, then turn around to say that dogs *shouldn’t* be treated like people. The cognitive dissonance is astounding and you, sir, have demonstrated yourself to be a bitter moron.

    • varro says:

      strathmeyer feels the same way about children.

      But seriously, all the same things can be said about children – my wife was nearly hit in the head with a pool cue in a laundromat – the cue was wielded by a 5-year-old doing his impression of the Star Wars Kid. When we called the dad on it, he said “He’s just a kid!!”

      I don’t know which way I stand on this – few people take their dogs into stores, and I notice even fewer dogs misbehaving. (Re health codes: a good sneeze in the produce section is much more unhealthy than dogs walking around.)

      But if the dog steals something, gets into fights with another dog, or jumps on someone, eject the dog and owner.

  37. elysse says:

    Hell no, and suck it, purse-dog women. I don’t want your retarded yappy dog at Michael’s, Kroger, Starbucks OR the public library; “but he’s just a wittwe dog!” and “fuck you” are not valid legal arguments, nor is your anklebiter required for your function in society.

    (yes, I’ve seen them in all these places and more, and no, I no longer confront them. I let the manager of the establishment do that.)

    • elysse says:

      On second thought, actually… YES, let’s let obnoxious people bring in their canine mutants, and in kind, I’m sure those same people will also be okay with me bringing in my cutiewootiest pet snake.

      Maybe the problem will resolve itself, and my snake will get a tasty exotic meal.

    • Difdi says:

      Hey, don’t blame the dog, it’s not his fault some retarded person stuffed him into a purse…

  38. pop top says:

    I would like to hear more about how strathmeyer feels about children. I don’t think five times in enough!

  39. reimero says:

    I always think service animals are fine. Otherwise, with the exception of pet-friendly pet stores and such, please leave them at home (unless you’re taking them to the vet or something.) It doesn’t always have to do with being a pet hater, either: I just happen to like breathing (allergies!)

  40. Sunflower1970 says:

    Slightly OT. A little trick I learned to keep dogs away from you (almost) all of the time. If you see a dog coming towards you, look up and away. The dog seems to sense you’re not a threat and zoom on by. In all my years of doing this, I only once had a big ol’ happy dog jump on me using this technique. (oh, and after he had been in the water, was all wet and muddy. The owner just stood there and laughed. Didn’t even try to call the dog off. Dog did it to more than just me, though. On the positive side, at least the dog was friendly, and didn’t try to bite anyone)

    Scariest time where this tactic probably saved me from getting bit was when I was out on the trails taking a walk and there was a very large German Shepherd who was not on leash, growling, barking and chasing everyone in site (including other dogs). The owner just sat there and watched as people screamed and were running away. The owner actually looked scared himself. Anyway, that dog saw me, began to come right towards me. I looked up & away, and he zoomed right by not giving me a second glance. I was quite scared, though.

    *shudders at memory*

    • ElizabethD says:

      Your instincts are good. The proper stance when an aggressive dog is in your immediate vicinity is to turn sideways and never make eye contact with the dog. Walk perpendicular to the dog; don’t turn around and run away from it — you’ll be acting like prey. To face the dog and stare at it is to invite an attack, because it views you as an aggressor or challenger.

    • Difdi says:

      That’s the submissive option. You demonstrate to the dog that you’re beneath their notice.

      The other option is the dominant option, which tells the dog he’s NOT the boss.

      There’s advantages and disadvantages to both. Don’t expect a dog to obey you later on after you submit (or even respect you, at all). And be prepared to defend against an attack if you go dominant and the dog doesn’t just take your “word” for it.

      I’ve done both in the past, depending on the situation. Both have resulted in dogs that regard me as a friend, as well as dogs that have a strong urge to avoid me. I’ve never been bitten, but that’s more due to being careful than the dog not trying. Some dogs will even bite you if you submit, so submission isn’t always a good idea (I recall a couple times I tried the submission approach, and wound up dominating the dog anyway to stop it from attacking again).

      • Sunflower1970 says:

        In every case I’m usually taking a walk on a public path that has an area where dogs can be off leash so I’ll never ever ever ever see these pooches again, so as long as they don’t jump on me or attack me, I’ll just keep on not looking at them :-D

        I get to dog sit for a few weeks a year when my husband’s boss goes on vacation. Two adorable pups. One full sized Yorkie the other one a miniature silkie or yorkie. Not sure what she is exactly..but whatever she is she’s adorable! And both know I’m the boss. No question. They knew the first day I met them :-) I’m not a dog person at all, but I adore these two monsters.
        Rawr! (lol)

    • HogwartsProfessor says:

      We used to have a dog that was a stray, but was very protective of our house, yard, etc. A friend of my mom’s came over one day and Fred got out of the yard and chased her down in the driveway before we could put him up.

      She didn’t run; instead she got down on the ground and belly-up, assumed a submissive posture. Fred sniffed at her a couple of times and turned away. I could not believe it but it worked. After that, he wouldn’t even bark at her when she came over and always let her in the yard.

      I don’t know if I would have the guts to try that. With my luck, I’d probably get my throat ripped out.

  41. missdona says:

    I love animals and would take my very well behaved schnauzer anywhere he was welcome.

    Yet, I was on a Carnival Cruise in Alaska and there was a woman with a service-animal shih tzu in the cabin next door. I do not know what the owner’s condition was that necessitated a service animal, but I do know that this dog pissed on the balcony, and it rolled over into my balcony. Moreover, the room stewards had to bleach my balcony. That’s vile. Her service animal should have been trained for wee-wee pads as not to inconvenience cabin neighbors or crew of a Carnival Cruise.

    • ElizabethD says:

      This is the first time I have EVER heard of a shih tzu being used as a service dog! They are not really suited for it temperamentally. I wonder if she was pulling a fast one in order to bring her “baby” along on the cruise.

      • missdona says:

        I wonder the same thing myself, but have to give her the benefit of the doubt. I love dogs and if it’s “bring your dog on a cruise” my dog would have been totally into it. But that was just insane.

  42. no says:

    Keep the pets away. In fact, don’t buy a #$( %* $( pet and even keep it at home if you can’t keep it from barking 24/7 keeping the neighborhood awake.

  43. ninabi says:

    I would have to say no, unless there was a universal rule where dogs were allowed almost everywhere.

    I’m thinking about stores where racks of clothing could obscure a dog on a leash. 20 years ago, I had a toddler with me at an event where dogs were not supposed to be. He reached out and with his baby hands, grabbed at a dog we had no idea was even there or could see. Husky bit him. The owner was sorry, said “he’s a really good dog” and of course, the animal was provoked when his fur was tugged but if we had known, we would have been more mindful as so to prevent a serious accident.

    • Sunflower1970 says:

      “s/he really is a good dog” Seems to be used all the time after a dog has bitten someone. I’m sure little ‘Fluffy’ is a good dog, but it just takes that one time when they go and bite someone…

      I babysat once (many moons ago) for a family who had a little boy who was a hemophiliac. He got bitten by one of these ‘good dogs. In the face. He was in the hospital for months trying to heal. I don’t know if the family ever sued the family with the dog or not.

      People seem to forget dogs are just animals and still are unpredictable, even if trained.

      • HogwartsProfessor says:

        That good dog shit is the same thing Marjorie Knoller said after her Presa Canario killed Diane Whipple in San Francisco.

        It’s just a fact that any dog, no matter how well-trained, can and will bite, given the right set of circumstances.

    • varro says:

      I was bitten in the face by a dog when I was 5.

      Rather than blame all dogs, I’m more careful when around dogs (i.e., offering a hand for a dog to sniff, and avoiding dogs who are acting aggressive or do not want human contact).

  44. JulesNoctambule says:

    There are times when I’d gladly welcome a well-behaved dog with an attentive owner over poorly-behaved children with inattentive parents.

  45. ninabi says:

    I can think of another reason not to allow dogs. Because people think it’s okay to bring other pets along with them, too.

    We have birds. We like birds. But we DO NOT bring them into the ice cream parlor like a family did last weekend because birds crap constantly. The bird was walking around the table as they ate. Not sanitary. Not at all.

  46. rdclark says:

    I’m not a fan of animals in places of business, but in truth children are more obnoxious and destructive. Well, not as obnoxious as people on cell phones. So how about everybody just ties up their dogs and children outside the store, and leave the phones in their pockets, OK?

    Oh, and a special place in the dark for bookstores with cats. I love small independent bookstores, but am violently allergic to cats. You’ve driven me to Borders and the purchase of a Kindle. I’m talking to you, Baldwin’s Book Barn in West Chester, PA.

  47. rdclark says:

    I’m not a fan of animals in places of business, but in truth children are more obnoxious and destructive. Well, not as obnoxious as people on cell phones. So how about everybody just ties up their dogs and children outside the store, and leave the phones in their pockets, OK?

    Oh, and a special place in the dark for bookstores with cats. I love small independent bookstores, but am violently allergic to cats. You’ve driven me to Borders and the purchase of a Kindle. I’m talking to you, Baldwin’s Book Barn in West Chester, PA.

  48. Clyde Barrow says:

    Well bringing in a dog for physical handicaps is hardly a good comparison to a woman bringing her dog to “let loose” in a grocery store. What on earth was she thinking? Besides the obvious needs of a dog to mark its territory, what happens when a dog sees a child and decides that that child is a threat? Dogs pick the least likely threat and btw, they do know the difference between “big-daddy bruiser” and a five-year old picking its nose. Dogs will bee-line for the kid. Corporate offices and lawyers will have a field day with a store manager on this one because of potential liability.

  49. honeybee says:

    When I was in grad school I lived in a town where people brought their dogs everywhere. Even though dogs were not allowed on campus, sometimes people would bring them there anyway. Once I was walking to class and an older woman stopped in her tracks right in front of me. There was a dog between her and the building. The dog was on a long leash. She asked me if I could hold her arm while she walked by the dog. I guess she’s really afraid and once was knocked down by a dog. Not cool.

    Another instance – dogs were allowed in the local tasting room of the brewery. A large dog peed on the floor inside while we were there. Disgusting! the waitress brought a rag out for the owner to clean it up. Shortly after that dogs were no longer allowed inside. Thankfully.

  50. Tank Fuzzbutt says:

    NO WAY!!

  51. Nigerian prince looking for business partner says:

    I like working at a business where I can bring my dog in from time to time. If I know I’m going to be working late, I’ll bring him in and he spends the day with me in my office. I keep some food, his bowls, and a baby gate (for my door) for the off chance that I need to bring him in at the last minute.

  52. jaimystery says:

    Farmer’s Market . . . annoying but okay. Just don’t get so involved socializing that you don’t notice that your dog just crapped in front of someone’s booth & then walk away. True story – the poor vendor had to clean it up because no one would come near his booth.

    Restaurant patio . . . . still annoying but up to the individual restaurant to allow it or not. However, dogs should not be fed from the table at these places.

    Grocery Store/Restaurant/Retail Store . . . . under no circumstance. In the last 3 months, I have seen 4 different people (always women!) bring their purse w/dog inside into the local grocery stores and it is so inappropriate.

    • ElizabethD says:

      Just posted the same about the grocery-store accessory dogs (below). So annoying and unsanitary.

  53. jaimystery says:

    Farmer’s Market . . . annoying but okay. Just don’t get so involved socializing that you don’t notice that your dog just crapped in front of someone’s booth & then walk away. True story – the poor vendor had to clean it up because no one would come near his booth.

    Restaurant patio . . . . still annoying but up to the individual restaurant to allow it or not. However, dogs should not be fed from the table at these places.

    Grocery Store/Restaurant/Retail Store . . . . under no circumstance. In the last 3 months, I have seen 4 different people (always women!) bring their purse w/dog inside into the local grocery stores and it is so inappropriate.

  54. scientific progress goes boink says:

    I love dogs but I think they’re best left at home unless it’s a pet-friendly business. Too many people have untrained and/or aggressive and non-vaccinated dogs. I’m totally cool with shopping for clothes and not having to look out for pee marks or overly territorial chihuahuas behind the racks.

    Plus, some people are really allergic to them.

    • brinks says:

      I remember working at a shoe store on a REALLY crowded Saturday. A woman was carrying around her chihuahua puppy and set him down on the carpet to try on shoes. Terrified of the crowd, the poor little guy peed all over the carpet.

      I couldn’t get mad, though, because my douchebag boss, who was a neat freak and a HUGE germophobe, had to clean it up. It was pretty cool, actually…but a very good example of why you should leave your dog at home.

  55. brinks says:

    My fiance came into the store I used to work at because he needed to pick something up. He was on his way to the dog park, so he came in with our dog (rather than leave him in the car). He intended on just running in and running out, but the employees got so excited to see a dog that they all had to come over and pet him.

    An elderly couple was in the store at this time, and the woman freaked out. Apparently, she was terrified of dogs. She grabbed one of the employees by the arm and asked if dogs were allowed in there. He said no, not really, but we never care if the dogs are on a leash and are quiet and well-behaved. She demanded that the dog be removed. When he hesitated, she yelled “I want to see your manager!”

    His response: “Uh…it’s the manager’s dog.”

    Honestly, though, because there are people that react like this, I’d say dogs shouldn’t be allowed everywhere. Pet stores and specifically pet-friendly locations only. However, I feel differently if I work there and it’s MY dog. ;)

  56. SpongeBathSquarePants says:

    My mom brought my ancient husky into her office for the day as a one-time-only deal as part of a favor. She’s the VP, she can do what she wants. Ever since then, every time I visit, her co-workers ask me when the dog is coming back, and if I can bring him in more often. It really depends on the dog. I think the office would have resented a little yappy purse-pooch, but my lazy old boy was some welcome stress relief.

    Humans have had dogs for thousands of years. Disrespectful behavior is just that whether people are out of line with animals or kids, etc. As long as its respectful of the business’s wishes (and not in a sanitary establishment), who cares if someone brings a well-behaved dog?

    • syzygy says:

      A leash does not stop someone allergic to dogs from suffering anaphylaxis. That said, if the business is comfortable with allowing this possibility on their premises, then feel free.

  57. Dallas_shopper says:

    I don’t think you should bring your pet into any place of business with you other than a pet store…and that’s only if the pet store allows it…UNLESS it’s a service animal, in which case it should be allowed anywhere that you’re allowed. There is a neighborhood bar that I go to sometimes on a weeknight when it’s almost totally deserted and some friends and I sit on the patio…a couple of them bring their dogs. The dogs never go inside and never bother anyone because there’s nobody to bother, so that’s OK too. But that is rare.

    I’m sick of being barked at, nipped at and jumped on by other peoples’ Widdle Snookums. Leave the fucking dog at home 99% of the time please.

  58. The Cynical Librarian says:

    I could see taking them to pet stores, but just wandering around target/wal-mart/kroger seems far fetched (pardon the pun).

  59. ElizabethD says:

    LOVE dogs, have a dog. Brought her to work once and she promptly ate a co-worker’s sandwich. That cured me of that particular itch.

    What bugs me is that a classy supermarket like Whole Foods looks the other way when rich-bitch matrons come in with their papillons and chihuahuas in purse-like carriers, and proceed to tote them around the store while leaning over the produce etc. Why are store clerks/mgt afraid to speak up to these people? AFAIK, dragging your pet and its dander and fur around an open-stock food market is not health-department-approved. I see this quite often. “Grrrrr!”

    • ChuckECheese says:

      Whore Foods needs the self-entitled in order to survive. It’s whole raison d’etre is food narcissism. And you don’t say ‘no’ to the self-entitled.

  60. balthisar says:

    It’s common in many parts of Europe to bring your pets into public places, including restaurants. While that would be nice in the USA, I don’t think it could ever work because people are too self-entitled in the States. If a European person’s dog started making a nuisance of itself, the European would make it right, and leave with the animal. All too many Americans would exclaim, “By God! My dog has a right to be here too! You can’t take away my rights.” So we’d be where we are today: business owners just wouldn’t let *any* dogs in.

  61. kaetien says:

    I am highly allergic to animals from dogs and cats down to rabbits and mice. I can’t even hug my friends with pets, or visit their homes. Still, I think that business owners should be able to decide if non-service animal pets are welcome in their establishments – so long as this is clearly marked at the entrance of said establishment. I would choose not to enter and not to give them my business. However, I think that many pet owners would be thrilled to frequent such places, and if that’s the demographic the owner is attempting to attract then I see no problem.

    If I wasn’t allergic, I’d probably have my own menagerie. I love animals and am heartbroken that I can’t adopt any cuddly pets. But unless I was headed to PetSmart or the park, they would stay at home.

  62. Griking says:

    I saw someone carry their small dog into the bank the other day while she used the ATM. The dog pissed on the floor while she was there and she just left. So no, if the dog isn’t a service animal it doesn’t belong in a business.

  63. fourclover54 says:

    My coworkers used to be able to bring dogs into work until one of them kept leaving “presents” on the floor. The second time my boss stepped into a pile, the policy changed.

  64. Sarcastico says:

    If I’m the one in a Hammacher Schlemmer pet high chair and the dog is sitting all comfy in the people chair, that’s a no go. The cat, of course, can sit wherever he likes.

  65. jerros says:

    As a dog owner it’s nice to be able to take your pet into a buisness that allows them. Most people tend to get this big huge grin on their face at the sign of a dog, they bend over to pet it, ask it’s name and all of a sudden your talking to someone that you previously would’ve passed by. This leads to a very different shopping experiance than you would get without the dog these days, you’d simply walk in, go get your stuff go to the line and walk out. All the while not looking up at someone else and texting or posting facebook messages.

    That said there should be limitations on what buisnesses allow dogs. I wouldn’t want to take my pup into a grocery store because he could eat something off the floor like a grape or some baking chocolate and it could kill him. And that’s not to mention the large isle of “deadly cleaning supplies”. It’s also tempting for the dog, dry food box’s filled with rice and the like are going to get sniffed/licked and then picked up by someone else to buy (thats gross).

    Resturants are a difficult to place to take all but the best trained dogs. The food smells so good and is so very tempting that unless you can keep your dog in check it’s probably not a great place for the dog to be. If your concerned about the dog being “dirty” or “gross” in a resturant lets be honest, the kid in the booth across from you at that resturant had his hands down his pants and his finger up his nose and was just touching the crayons that will be passed onto the next child that walks in. Unless the dog has some disease he’s probably cleaner than that kid, the crayons, or the wet rag that was just used to clean your table and every other table in the resturant since it opened today.

    But with these exceptions there aren’t many reasons to keep pets out of many other stores. Assuming your state/city/town all have laws and appropriate fines to keep irresponsible pet owners in check. If a dog poops/pees on the floor of a buisness it’s because the dogs either sick, or his owner didn’t take him out to potty. And the owner should be responsible for cleaning it up with proper supplies if they want to take their pets “out on the town”.

    As long as the store owner is comfortable letting pets into his store then I think it’s a great thing for the buisness as well as pet owners. And it’s much safer for the dog than “Tying him up outside” or “leaving him in the car”.

  66. HeatherLynn30 says:

    Nearly every time I go to the grocery store now here in Southern California, I see someone toting along their chihuahua or [other toy dog] and no one ever seems to do anything about it. Don’t get me wrong – I love dogs and would love to see the well-behaved ones allowed nearly everywhere. But when did tiny little yappers become the exception to the rule? If I brought my corgis into the store with me, I’d be kicked out on my butt.

  67. Jimmy37 says:

    Dogs should not be in a business. Some people are pigs and refuse to take responsibility for their animals if they make a mess. I wouldn’t want to have to deal with the obnoxious minority that ruins it for the majority.

  68. sunniapocalypse says:

    http://www.writinglikenooneisreading.com/are-you-ignorant-or-do-you-just-not-care

    My friend wrote this about this exact subject. good read.

  69. Ichabod says:

    Only in pubs!

  70. hardtoremember says:

    I was attacked by two family dogs. Once as a small child and once at 12 years old by a stray we picked up. I had been terrified to the point of not being able to even be around a dog ever since. In situations where dogs were expected I would either leave or deal with it.

    I did find a great way to deal with my fear though… I got a dog! Since we got her we have gotten two more and even though I am a bit uncomfortable with some of the more aggressive breeds we still go to the dog park and socialize. It was fairly easy to get over my fear once I understood what I was afraid of.

    • Zach, your favorite liberal Texan politics-and-news junkie/Doctor Who super-fan says:

      Good for you!

      This just made my day! :)

  71. HogwartsProfessor says:

    If the owners are okay with it, then fine. I’ve been in many bookstores / a fabric store that had a resident kitteh, and dogs on patios or even inside (a pub) don’t bother me much. If they get out of control, then ask the owner to restrain the animal or leave. If I had allergies, I’d find another store to buy fabric from. There are many.

    As for dogs at work, that would NEVER happen at my workplace, although people do sometimes bring their kids in to drop something off for a spouse / pick them up for lunch, etc. I really think if you’re just running around, Fido or Fluffy can stay home for a while, especially if it’s hot.

  72. NumberSix says:

    If your dog is clean, well mannered, and you are ready to clean up after it on a moments notice; I have no problem with you bringing your dog anywhere you want to go.

  73. Pastry Minion says:

    I love animals and don’t mind them in public, but the best reason I’ve ever seen not to bring your purse dog shopping with you is having watched a small dog escape from a purse at the local strip mall, run blindly into the parking lot, and then be hit by an SUV.

    I’m never going to forget hearing the terrible cries that poor little guy let out when the truck hit him. The dog wailed in agony for the few minutes it took to finally expire- there was no way anyone was going to get that dog any help in time to put it out of it’s misery. The owner was screaming just as loudly as she watched her dog die in front of her. Everyone in the parking lot was bawling their eyes out. It’s one of the most horrible things I’ve ever seen in my life.

    Your pets are safest at home or in a properly secured carrier. If you have to bring your dog out, short leash or pet carrier, not purse!

    • HogwartsProfessor says:

      Oh noooooo…I’m going to cry just reading about that. :'(

      • Pastry Minion says:

        I still cry thinking about it. It makes me insane when people don’t take care of their pets properly. I know the owner never meant for that to happen, but it was still utterly horrible- she’d still have a dog if she didn’t insist on bringing her dog with her to the grocery store in a purse…

  74. Miss Dev (The Beer Sherpa) says:

    I love visiting Europe and seeing dogs in all the shops as well as many bars and restaurants. I prefer a well-behaved dog over obnoxious small children any day.

  75. TheFingerOfGod says:

    As an american I am constantly shocked to see the ease with which Brits bring their dogs into spaces that I consider inappropriate (let me just emphasize that these are places that I consider inappropriate. . . this is a PERSONAL opinion.). They go into all sorts of stores and on public transportation such as busses and trains. I once walked onto a subway train to find a man sitting next to his pit bull that was seated in a space that a human could have used. Who wants to sit in a seat that just had dog ass on it (especially since train seats here in london are cloth not that hard plastic you get in the US)? Disgusting!

  76. djshinyo says:

    I can recall being in restaurants in France and seeing dogs laying underneath their owners tables…I’m pretty positive these were not service dogs.

  77. hotcocoa says:

    No no no never. I remember a woman who always brought her little rat dog into the bank where it barked and howled the whole time she waited in line and talked to the staff and I thought to myself: there’s a friggin’ sign right on the door saying no pets, what gives?? But the manager never said shit.
    I hate dogs that are in any eatery/supermarket or office in general. People have allergies or just don’t love Rover as much as you do. When that dog won’t shut up, it’s damn annoying. And if it sheds or pisses or takes a dump it’s unsanitary and disgusting. Keep your pet at home or outside, please!

  78. moyawyvern says:

    I worked in a mixed used outdoor retail center, once of those places with stores, restaurants, and condos. It was very dog friendly, with lots of the residents walking their dogs. Some people would bring small dogs into my store (gifts, no food) and as long as no one had any objection they stayed. That may be because I love dogs, but I can’t have one right now.

    I may love dogs (and cats), but I would never in a million, billion years dream of bringing one in a place that served or contained food, even a farmer’s market. Even the little pipsqueaks in the stupid purses that can’t really get out. I had big, sweet golden retrievers growing up who would never have hurt a fly, but I wouldn’t have trusted them around food or too many people. they would have been overwhelmed, and they were fast and strong.

    I have seen people here with dogs at the grocery store, and I wanted to ask what the hell they were thinking. The dog may be family, but it can survive without you for a little bit stay at home, so you don’t have to drag it with you on all your shopping. It would probably enjoy the nap.

  79. DD_838 says:

    I have a 5lb Chihuahua and I bring him everywhere, including the grocery store. He IS 5 POUNDS, I always carry him and most people don’t even know he is there. Whats the big deal?

    • syzygy says:

      Because in my experience, the annoyance potential of any random canine is inversely proportional to its mass. Now, if your dog weighed 50 pounds, I would be much less averse.

      Seriously, though, the big deal is that your dog, small and unobtrusive as it might be, is still an animal. As such, it should not be in proximity to merchandise that other people, many of whom are allergic to dogs, will buy and take home. Hell, I’m not allergic in the least, and still cringe at the idea of anonymous pet dander flying around food items. That such a concept has to be explained to dog owners is eternally mystifying to me.

  80. Noadi says:

    With the exception of service animals I’d say it’s up to the business owner to decide. Though it’s my opinion that pet stores which don’t allow you to bring your pet in (I’ve been to some) are rather ridiculous.

    A lot of businesses in my town allow well behaved dogs with usually a 1 strike and your out policy. I bring mine to the farmer’s market on occasion if I’m walking there instead of riding my bike and several of the booths have dog treats on hand for her and any other dog that comes by. My dog behaves better in public than many children do.

  81. Carlee says:

    I think there are (or may be) health codes concerning dogs and other pets in places of business? I would not want to go shopping and have to maneuver around Fido, Lassie, and Spot, especially if they are the excitable type. I get that when I walk around my neighborhood, dogs are going to run up to the edge of their property and bark at me. But if I’m in a store, that’s something I don’t want to have to deal with. (We’re talking about pets here, not service animals).

    I’ve seen people bring their dogs into a dance studio – both parents of students, and even sometimes the teachers. Sometimes the dogs smelled (according to the other people there – I didn’t notice), or would constantly scratch itself and it’s distracting. It’s a dance studio – if your dog has issues (abandonment issues, apparently), find another solution.

    My workplace allows dogs on campus, but not in buildings. That doesn’t prevent people from bringing their dogs into the buildings (’cause who is going to enforce it?). One of my previous bosses had a lab who was not in good health and had to go to the vet once a week. The boss would bring the dog in to work (I think the vet appt was after work) and the dog would just lay there. Didn’t bother anyone (the dog wasn’t the barking type) but you would have to step over the dog.

    Long story short, no pets in the workplace. Unless you work in a pet store. Even if your pet is not barking at people, it’s still a distraction. Invariably people will stop working and come play with the dog. And chit chat. Meanwhile, people who want to get work done can’t because it’s turned into dog day. (Like when people bring their kids to work). Yes, I am grumpy when I am distracted by coworkers’ inconsideration…

  82. s0s has a chewy nougat center says:

    As a retail worker who is paid far too little for the work she does, and then on TOP of that has to clean shit and/or piss from someone’s precious little poochie up off the store floor on a weekly basis…

    Hell to the effin’ no. Companion animals belong at home, not in stores. (Parks and stuff are okay, obviously, provided any rules that are in effect are followed, regarding leashing, clean-up, etc.)

    Service animals are absolutely, always, 100% okay. They are performing a vital and necessary service, and go through phenomenal training. Service animals in training are also okay. They need to be exposed to situations as part of their training to become well-behaved service animals.

    Anything else, regardless of species, should be left at home. And if it’s “too hot to leave Princess in the car, she could DIE,” then… why the HELL are you carting her around in the first place?! Leave her at home with the air-conditioning and water.

  83. Grrrrrrr, now with two buns made of bacon. says:

    I think that’s up to the business owner. People will vote (either way) with their feet and their wallets.

  84. brinks says:

    My old neighborhood was a very pedestrian-friendly neighborhood and it seemed like EVERYONE had a dog. Just about all the businesses on the main street were mom and pops, and several were pet friendly. It made sense in that type of environment, where everyone was out walking their dogs past the shops, to welcome them both inside.

    It really should be up to the store owner as long as there’s no food for sale (that’s gross). They should be able to reserve the right to ask people (and their pets) to leave, though, in case the dog is misbehaving or another customer has allergies. Post it on a sign so someone doesn’t try to sue you for discriminating against their dog.

  85. JamieSueAustin says:

    Service dog. Yes.
    Pet? No.
    Exceptions? Pet store.

    • FrankReality says:

      I Agree –

      Service animals only, must be closely controlled by owner. No pets.

      Exceptions –

      - therapy animals when doing therapy in hospitals, nursing homes, etc.

      - animals to groomers, pet stores, veterinarians,

      We have a blind fellow at work who has the standard leader dog. No problem, she’s well behaved and isn’t a problem except for a few Muslims that are offended. Too bad, stay away from the dog then.

      It wouldn’t surprise me if some states have restrictions that prevent employers and businesses from banning service animals (as long as they are not pests) to ensure handcapped/disabled accessibility.

  86. unimus says:

    I hate it when dog owners just assume everyone likes their dog.

    I’ve heard this on the news way too often.

    “Fido was always a good dog until he went berserk and bit poor Jimmy’s face off.”

  87. lyllydd says:

    George makes a good point about health codes, and the general comfort level of business patrons. The other factor that I would mention is that said patrons may well be allergic. Allergic reactions tend to lead to lawsuits, both for the pet owner and the business that permitted him or her to bring Fido into the store.
    Two and only two exceptions: Service animals, and businesses that specifically welcome pets, such as pet stores.

  88. Mary says:

    ALLERGIES.

    For heaven’s sake people, other human beings might be allergic to your poor precious little lonely puppy. And some of those allergies can be far worse than you can imagine, you not being allergic to your dog and all that.

    Have some basic consideration, for you and your dog, who probably doesn’t want to be there either.

  89. Drivebyluna says:

    No, leave the dog at home.

  90. jj030306 says:

    Unless it’s a Seeing Eye Dog, or you’re in PetSmart.. then no. Keep your dog at home. I hate that little dogs are the world’s new accessory! I’ve even seen women pushing them in special dog strollers around the mall!! UGH!!! Hearing children cry and whine in a store is bad enough.. now I have to listen to dogs barking!?

    I worked at Bed Bath and Beyond and often saw small dogs in carts or purses/bags.. and it was just annoying. The worst though, was seeing a woman with a chocolate lab.. on a leash.. wondering around the store. Lab’s aren’t small dogs!! It’s partially the store’s problem for not enforcing any rule.. but as a shopper.. have some common sense!! 1. Someone shopping or working in the same store may be severely allergic 2. if it craps or pisses on the floor you better clean it up ASAP and 3. if it damages something you better freakin pay for it!!

    As much as I believe pets are part of the family.. they are not children.. and they can (and should) be left at home when you run your errands.

  91. Steviepoo says:

    It’s obvious that most of the commenters have never been anywhere outside the U.S.

    Here in Germany dogs are allowed, and damned-near welcome, everywhere but grocery stores.

    Malls, public transportation, you name it. People take their dogs everywhere without an issue.

  92. djc_819 says:

    Dogs and pets are always allowed in places of business in Europe. No one seems to care. It’s a normal thing over there. Why should it be strange to bring a pet with you when you are out? Sure you have people with allergies and issues with cleanliness but it seems to work over there… Maybe animals are just trained better overseas? lol

  93. quagmire0 says:

    I would say that if you have have one of those rediculous closed strollers, it’s ok to have your dog in the store. On the flipside, I think if you are a dog owner you should have a safe place at home where you can leave your dog – whether it is a laundry room, heated garage area, a dog walk outside, or a fenced yard. There’s no reason someone should have to take their dog everywhere they go. If you can’t afford to house your dog properly, you just can’t afford a dog.

  94. _UsUrPeR_ says:

    Fuck no they shouldn’t. If I can’t smoke there, why should somebody bring their dogs to public places.

    Secondary note: I have a cousin so allergic to dogs that he has to keep an emergency epinephrine injector on him in case he accidentally comes in contact with dog dander in some way. I am not sure how he copes with everyday life.

  95. isileth says:

    While I noticed that if a dog is a nuisance, the blame is in the owner, dogs are annoying where they are being dogs.
    They have no reason to know that if they are sniffing, barking, shedding drool and fur everywhere or sniffing a human at the crotch height they are annoying.
    It’s their istinct.
    So, they should not be allowed in places where food is kept or sold and if they are in parks where children are playing they should have a leash.

  96. octopodes says:

    Here in Portland Oregon, people take their pets eveywhere. Grocery stores, public transit, restaurants… mostly dogs, but I’ve seen a few people with trained cats (!) on their shoulders. (Are cats ever used as service animals?)

    Also, a few blocks from where I live, there’s a small office supply shop where the owner’s huge (absolutely huge) fluffy white dog hangs out all day. The dog is so chill and well-behaved that it’s not a problem, though.

  97. Spooky says:

    No its not okay! I hate your dog, and i hate you!

  98. Amy Remax says:

    If we are going to talk animals in and or out of certain places…lets include kids too! I have two dogs, that I do not take everywhere with me because they are large and sometimes people are uncomfortable around them. BUT…I have been places and have seen children acting WAY worse than any animals I have ever seen. I think we should ban kids from some places too!

  99. Joe Gamer says:

    I have a dog with sever anxiety problems, she has broken her own jaw when left alone before so I pretty much have to take her everywhere with me or risk another expensive vet bill. This is fine except during the summer when it is way, way too hot to leave her in the car, then I have to call ahead to businesses and make sure I can bring the dog with. No one has told me no yet.

  100. Sky75 says:

    I would take my dogs everywhere if I could, but I have seen enough dickwad dog owners to understand why this isn’t feasible. Drives me crazy when people don’t pick up after their dogs.

    Fortunately I live in Austin, TX, which is a very dog friendly city, so there’s lots of places to go (like coffee shops with outdoor patios, restaurants, etc.) that are dog-friendly. I would LOVE to take them to work with me – and they’d just sleep under my desk for the most part (although I’m sure the occasional game of fetch would happen), but on the flip side I’m sure our cleaning crew doesn’t want to have to vacuum up dog fur so they stay home.

  101. jojobreckinridge says:

    Dogs clean their ass with their tongue. End of discussion.

  102. Kingeryck says:

    The bank I work at allows dogs, and advertises such. I got an email from a customer at the bank I work at and they were supposedly pulling their accounts and they were totally outraged at us because we allow dogs in our branches. They said something like “dogs don’t work for a living!” and “since when do dogs come before human beings?” and all worried because they are allergic to dogs. Relax, it is not a dog kennel, it is a bank. There are not that many people that bring dogs, and if they do I don’t think being in a large room with one dog for a couple minutes is going to send you into anaphylactic shock.

  103. coolsmartygirl says:

    I currently work at a large electronics retailer and we always have pets in here at least once a week. Last week we had a guy come in with a bird on his cart. There are always little dogs walking around with their owners. It started with our first GM she allowed them in because she liked them, we’ve never really asked anyone to leave their pet outside.

  104. geekpoet says:

    I love my dog. She is a member of my family. But she is not a person and will not be taken to people places. People who takes their dogs everywhere are at best obnoxious. At worst, cruel to their pet whose idea of a good time most assuredly is not sitting in a confined raised platform belted in place while “mommy” eats…

  105. rubicthecube says:

    Service dogs only. It’s only ok if the animal is a patron of the establishment (hehehe). Keep in mind that people have phobias and allergic reactions to pets. It’s highly inconsiderate when people assume it’s ok to bring your pets anywhere. Don’t get me wrong, I love animals. What if instead of a dog, it was an Iguana? Or a pet chicken? I wonder if more people would be comfortable with those animals.