Robby didn’t feel like showing his receipt to the Walmart receipt checker, and when the guy came after him, Robby ignored him. That’s when other shoppers started closing in on him, and why he started running.
First of all, I’d like to say that the general consensus of this story is split between “you’re a douchebag” and “you should sue them”. Being a long-time reader, I’ve seen many “detained illegally” type stories, and I know my rights more or less.
Being the last day for the $200 Xbox 360 Arcade with $100 gift card at Walmart and coincidentally also being console banned the same day, I was eager to try and score one. I called around and managed to find exactly one in Woodstock, GA on Highway 92 (about 30 minutes away), but they were unable to hold it for me. I make my way to the Walmart, and briskly walk towards the electronics department and am able to buy one there. I pay with cash and put the change and the receipt in my wallet (with a bunch of other change and receipts).
I leave the store, and as per usual, I don’t bother to show them my receipt since it’s not legally required, and there are about a dozen other people leaving at the same time. I go to my phone to set up GPS to find my way home, and I hear the greeter/bag checker yelling “RECEIPT! RECEIPT!” as I make my way towards my car. Apparently some Walmart patrons heard and decide to be good samaritans and come after me.
At this point running towards my car on the other side of the parking lot, one of them TACKLES ME, and I lose my right shoe a few yards away from where I land. The guy is pinning me down and easily weights twice as much as me, and I have the scrapes on the elbow, hand, and wrist to show for it. The greeter/bag checker catches up and grabs me by my arm, and I tell him to let go or I’ll press charges for assault. I tell him about three times, and he ends up taking the Xbox back inside the store.
I find my receipt amongst the others in my wallet and show it to the onlookers and the tackler’s cronies who all think I’m a thief. I take it inside and show it to the greeter/bag checker, he looks at it, still doesn’t believe I actually purchased it, gives it back, then needs to look at it again because he forgot to check the date/time. I really wish I had gotten a picture of the guy who tackled me so I could press charges and also post him on PeopleOfWalmart.com.
I guess everyone’s guilty until proven guilty at Walmart even if it’s not legally required to show receipt and they are not allowed to physically restrain you. Call the police? Fine. I’m sure they’ll love to hear that customer bought an Xbox 360.
Note: I deleted and re-published this post due to an error. Because of this, the first several comments were lost. My apologies.
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Very politely, I offer to show my receipt before being asked (while I have no intention of doing so). Then, they wave me through without a problem.
Wal Mart stinks too.. stay away and avoid any trouble!
This is the biggest non-issue ever. I have no legal requirement to tip at a restaurant. Does that mean I just bail every time? It’s called common courtesy. Are you familar with that?
Who else’s job do you blatantly disrespect to their face? While I don’t agree with many places policies, I don’t go there and give everyone a snuff attitude because I am entitled to. The poor person has a job to protect the assets of a store. Do you realize that items sometimes get missed in the process of scanning? Does that entitle you to free products?
How many of you are against receipt checking but will shop at Costco or Sam’s because “it’s in the agreement”? Why does that not interfere with your precious rights? Costco and Sam’s are basically calling all of their members theives then.
Everyone who has an issue with this needs to grow up.
@Extended-Warranty: Just cause its an easy takedown: YOU need to grow up. A tip is paying someone for service. A receipt check is some company being lame and wasting my time. They are not equal. I shop at Costco and Sams because I only go there once in a while, and people move giant carts of stuff. Plus they dont check your whole cart, they basically just make sure you dont have a TV or something. So its not really a big deal. Its not the same thing as Best Buy making you get receipt checked for two things. Also, the costco check has no stigma. The Best Buy/Walmart check does, whether anyone likes it or not.
I dont see how you are disrespecting the receipt checkers job.If he wants to prevent shoplifting, he can patrol the store or check the back room…thats where more thefts happen.
As far as I am concerned, the OP should sue. I never tell let my recepit get checked. Its not my fault they have that job, its the stores. And, yes I hang up on telemarketers too. Again, its not my fault they have that job, so why should my time be wasted?
@Extended-Warranty: You’re not making any sense. You might be able to argue that showing a receipt is common courtesy, like tipping. So should you get tackled when you fail to tip or tip insufficiently. I know you really want to treat what might be socially comfortable as some kind of legal obligation that should be enforced with violence. But they aren’t. Your argument seems to be, “But they really really want to check your receipt, so physical force is ok.”
It’s not.
Disregarding a receipt checker is hardly disrespecting him. I can’t help that management has chosen that exact time and place to attempt a search of my person. I’m going to reject that search as firmly as if it were attempted outside the store, or down the street, or in front of my house. Sure, they’ve done a lot to make saying no a socially uncomfortable thing to do, but that’s not my problem. If they’re not happy with the results they’re getting, they should stop creating the situation.
Most Walmarts have video survallence of their parking lots. Get a lawyer, have the tapes pulled, and hope you can identify the person or persons that assulted you. Then file lawsuits against them and Walmart.
What is the big deal? Did it make you feel like a big man to not show your receipt? Ooooooh, you showed that minimum wage worker. Way to stick it to the man. Wal-mart sucks and you showed them by spending your money with them, ignoring their door greeter, and getting your @$$ kicked in the parking lot by strangers. It’s your world and we’re just grateful to live in it.
There must be about 4000 first year law students on here, as they’re the only people who’d bicker about assault v. battery.
Common law tort definitions ≠criminal law definitions.
/discussion.
I’ve never been asked for a receipt leaving Wally World. I’m a rather normal, clean-cut, 39 y/o male. I just walk right past them and smile.
When I buy something at Fry’s Electronics, I always show my receipt and let them inspect the bags. That’s their policy, and I accept that. They also mark your receipt. I guess so people won’t walk in, steal, then leave showing the same receipt.
The problem is Wally’s policy, (whatever it is), is inconsistent. They should mandate that all receipts are checked, or none. Leaving it up to an individual’s judgment on a case-by-case basis leaves way too many variables to have a fair system. They (WM) are exposing themselves to a slew of potential lawsuits.
I’m in the “you’re a douchebag” camp. Sorry, stores keeping losses low keeps your prices reasonable so they can afford to… I don’t know… give away $100 gift cards.
I hate you more for making me defend Walmart.
You give up a little bit of your rights every time you shop at WalMart.
@ninjatoddler: And bestbuy…no wait…it’s okay to have best buy check your receipt before leaving because they actually have to remove a game or system from the security apparatus (spider or slide case).
Maybe I am wrong, but didn’t the security guard essentially steal the x-box from him after he was tackled?
I’m assuming if his Xbox was banned it meant he modded it to pirate games. I’m not saying this is right but “karma for stealing” maybe?
@kyle4: OP here, pretty sure being banned for piracy is karma for being a pirate (along with buying a new console).
Sue the holy bejeebus out of WalMart and the nosey customer (WalMart has him on film, the cops can find out who he is that way).
Ok, two points – first, if you shop at Walmart in the first place, you sort of deserve what you get. Plus, you act like a douche, expect to be treated like one.
Secondly, why do people get so irate about showing a receipt on the way out? Don’t you read the news? Stores are dealing with gangs of thieves who load up shopping carts full of merchandise and pushing them out the front doors. This happened at an electronics store in San Diego and the receipt checkers, who probably make minimum wage, had guns shoved in their faces.
Bottom line is, if you don’t like the policies, complain the right way, with a letter to their corporate offices. If that doesn’t work, shop someplace else. Everyone is much happier that way.
FYI – I don’t work for any store anywhere, I just see a bigger picture here of what the stores are dealing with.
@scoopjones: So a gang of armed thieves is leaving the store with cartloads of stuff, and grandpa steps in front of them and asks for a receipt. How does that do any good for the store, or grandpa? People here are complaining that receipt checking is an ineffective policy which does nothing but inconvenience and, as your reply and the original post demonstrates, endanger, innocent people, including WalMart employees.
Did you complain to management? I work for Wal-Mart. This works. This guy will be fired. Believe me.
Im sorry, but obviously none of you have been tackled on pavement before.
That pansy-scratch on his elbow IS NOT from a pavement tackle. If this were true, he would have picked the worst scratch/bruise/broken bone to photograph right?
You expect me to believe you were tackled by a 200 lbs person (assuming you’re 100lbs) and walked away with that carpet burn? Granted, the scratch “looks like” a pavement scratch, but it looks more like it’s from playing basketball or rollerblading than being EFFING TACKLED.
Shenanigans.
Too bad this didnt happen someone armed, they could have pulled gun and shot the assailant who was illegally assaulting and detaining them. Then we would have seen some national coverage to stop the scourge of receipt checking.
Things that punish only the Good;
Receipt Checkers
DRM
@Red_Eye: Based on?!? Exactly. Based on nothing. If you shoot someone who doesn’t have a gun you go to “pound xbox dude in the ass” prison.
They should have cracked this wacko’s head open to see if human brains reside there. He is lucky to have walked away with only a bruise on the elbow. Got off easy considering the poor attitude the shopper has.
I won’t shop at a business that assumes all of its customers are shoplifters unless proven otherwise.
Granted that all stores have a shoplifting problem to some extent, but NO OTHER STORE treats its customers like Wal-Mart does.
IF this occurred as posted, I’d say the poster should call his attorney and land on them with lead boots.
Wal-Mart can go to H—.
And you still showed it to them? I’d have used the phone to call 911 and file for assault charges.
@All those people who don’t understand why the public in general shouldn’t just go after anyone they think is a shoplifter: This is a good reason why you don’t do that.
Does the reader plan on never shopping at Walmart again? Anyone who wants to complain about their practices yet still shops there really needs to STFU.
Proudly Walmart free since 2008!
Wow,,,customers tackled you? That’s a new one. and Ganyon is correct. It sounds as though you’re the type that likes to piss others off, just because you can. Why couldn’t you just show your receipt? Because you’re a “tough guy”? lol. So really, you made your own bed. However, patrons tackling you was incredibly stupid and the fact that they were acting in the best interests of Wal-mart probably would hold both parties to negligence and battery. A good lawyer could win this case in a heartbeat.
@LeChiffre:
“Why couldn’t you just show your receipt?”
Presumably because he doesn’t have to?
When Wal-Mart puts me on their loss prevention payroll, I’ll start showing my receipt.
Until then, sorry, shoplifting isn’t my problem since I paid for my merchandise.
My friend is a loss prevention manager for a large retailer, and I hear her talk about this stuff almost daily. The OP is 100% in the right in this situation. The OP walking out and not checking your receipt is not even close to a good reason to stop you. They need to see the person stealing on the camera, then walking out of the store, before stopping them.
You should do two things here, sue Wal-mart for stopping you and taking your paid merchandise back inside. People get written up and fired for mistakes like this.
More importantly, you should of gotten the name of the person that tackled you and pressed charges. Nothing gives that idiot the right to tackle you.
more people should have been punched in the face in this story.
I would absolutely LOVE IT if some pencilneck wimps tried to tackle me!! Can you say “rude awakening”!
@Buffet:
I think I speak for everyone on Consumerist and perhaps the entire Internet when I say we wish we were more like you.
Thank you very much sir. Best wishes and Happy Holidays to you.
It’s time to lawyer up and sue. Some attorney in your area will take the case for the cut of the settlement money they’ll negotiate out of court with WalMart. The guy who tackled you? Definitely take it all the way to garnishing his paycheck.
I hope he presses charges for assault. And theft, too. This was his property that the checker stole from him.
Wal-Mart is a company with deep, deep pockets. I’d sue them, too. They need to be brought up hard on this kind of shenanigans.
Is it bad that I want something like this to happen to me. I’m a big biker-type guy (6’3″, 280lbs) and the reciept checkers usually don’t even ask me for my reciept, even when I see them ask everyone else in front of me. On the rare occasion that they do ask, I tell them no and keep walking. I did have one scrappy little old lady tell me that I had to in order to leave the store. I simply said, no I don’t and left the store. Why are my Wal-Mart experiences so boring?
Call the police get the footage of the man who did tackle you so you can press charges. It should not be hard to watch the man check out and then identify him via his credit card.
Once that is done sue walmart for a couple million dollars.
Anything less would be a failure on your part as a consumer.
You know, I’m seriously against receipt checking and all, but maybe running wasn’t the smartest decision in this case. People probably saw that as an admission of guilt.
Next time, perhaps explain they have no legal right to check your receipt, and have 911 dialed and ready to send on your phone if you think it’ll get dicey.
Instead of complaining about the receipt checkers trying to do their jobs, we need to really MAKE them do their jobs. Make them a liability rather than a lame potential asset.
Here’s how:
1) Buy several small items at a store.
2) When the checker starts to look at your receipt, start unloading your bag on him.
3) Have him verify and check off each item.
4) If he balks, request to talk to the manager.
5) Complain that he isn’t doing his job.
6) Post on You-Tube.
If they want to check receipts, make them do it right. If enough people do this, the practice will stop because it will cause more problems than it solves.
@SacraBos: This actually isn’t too bad an idea. It’s in the “kill them with kindness” category. I like it.
I make it a purpose not to show my receipt to door checkers! After I clear the Point of Sale, the transaction is complete and the property is mine and the cash/payment is yours. Very simple. Anyone trying to detain me w/o probable cause is in trouble and may be the recipient of an ass kicking!
why did you run? that’s the stupidest reaction ever and clearly made you look guilty, even if you weren’t. haven’t you seen cops? I mean, sure, no one there was a cop and had the authority to do anything, but that doesn’t mean they won’t automatically assume you’re guilty because let’s face it, that’s the reaction of a guilty person. why? because you didn’t want them to check your receipt that badly? because you were afraid? why didn’t you just yell back at them that it’s not legally required and to get the hell away from you? why just run? that seems unbelievably stupid. and i agree with other posters – if you really knew your rights and didn’t do anything wrong, why didn’t you call the cops right then and there?
@trujunglist: He ran because the po-po was coming! Then he went and posted his wicked battle scar!
If SprawlMart really wants to check receipts on exit, they should have a sign at the entry just like Costco does which says something to the effect of “Costco reserves the right to inspect bags and recepits upon exit. Until them, just keep walkin’.
Where’s that wallet-card someone had created and shared here (or on Lifehacker?) for this exact reason?
@CapitalC: Even if they post a sign, it still doesn’t give them the right to do it.
Idea:
I am going to make T-Shirts that say “My personal policy is to not read any signs that contain legal language, and I refuse to be bound by their terms.”
did you get a lawyer yet?
walmart need to be punnished.
Should have called the police right then and there. Having accepted this and walked away was stupid.
Have them arrest the guy who tackled you and the receipt checker.
1 – Guy who tackled you had no right to do so.
2 – Receipt checker – took your XBox. He stole your property. He assumed you were a thief, because you refused to participate in the security theater of letting him check your papers.
You should have filed a complaint with the police and with Walmart right then. You should have demanded Walmart replace the XBox that their employees actions caused to possibly be damaged.
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. Benjamin Franklin”
Yes it does not take much to show your receipt, and then maybe next you will have to show your credit card and license at the door to prove your form of payment was valid. I mean honestly, they can put a skimmed cards information on a hotel door key, we should make sure its all legal to protect everyone. And we should have to stop and open every package and make sure your not hiding things inside. But its only a small inconvenience, why not just give up all of your rights so you can be extra safe and secure. Oh and bring the receipts for what your wearing or carrying with you, because if you don’t have them we know you stole them from our store.
We don’t have customers, we have potential shoplifters.
Maybe if more people actually stopped showing receipts they would stop asking. Well Bob showed his, whats your problem. Not wanting to bother with your made up idea of security, is not proof of guilt. Being told its just a little thing, no your rights aren’t a little thing and just because your willing to give up yours doesn’t mean everyone else should.
so it’s a hugely difficult thing to show one’s receipt????? i don’t get this… i guess people need something to blog about. useless.
I do this all the time. I always tell the checker “No thank you.” I have never had an issue. They always say, “Thank You.”
One thing that comes to mind is if the op in this situation had a CCW and was carrying at the time. Due to the mob that chased him, you could justify that you were in fear of your life and take the appropriate action to defuse the situation. It’s going to take one person making a bad judgment call before appropriate action is taken.
The only time receipt checking should ever be a requirement is if you mutually agree to it in the case where you’re part of a warehouse club member where that is a line item in the TOS that you agree to.
I personally avoid conflict by always just carrying my receipt visible against the item. I’ve never been stopped in BestBorrow and Wallyworld to show my receipt.
I was stopped at the Walmart in Neptune, NJ for not showing a receipt while the checker was busy with another customer. A Neptune Police Officer that was stationed at the exit eventually stopped me. He checked my receipt and asked me to have a nice day. Why do the taxpayers of Neptune subsidize the security at Walmart? I will never shop in Walmart again. If anyone touches you, deck them. No one at Walmart has the right to stop you when you are leaving after you paid for your items. It is a mater of self defense. Walmart targets the lower class. If you want to shop there, expect to be treated that way. Neptune is not a nice town. It only follows suite that this type of activity takes place here.
@H3ion:
Probably not, but that’s not the point. Macy*s and other stores like it offer special stickers and tape that clearly show you paid. If walmart can’t bother to do this why should we be botherd to help them?
@H3ion: Of course it wouldn’t have killed him to show the receipt! I really hope you don’t believe there exists a disease that is made terminal by showing a receipt for an XBox 360 Arcade to a Walmart employee.
Or do you think this is like Speed and Dennis Hopper planted a device that will blow up him and Sandra Bullock if he shows a receipt? Why would Dennis Hopper care and what from the story makes you think Sandra Bullock went with him to Walmart to buy an XBox 360. Have you seen her in those new trailers for the giant football player movie? She looks fantastic.
So no, it would not have killed him to show the receipt. It appears he didn’t see any reason to need to and didn’t expect it to be blown out of proportion as such. I hope this clarifies things for you.
@H3ion: The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding.
–Louis D. Brandeis
@H3ion: Would it have killed you to show the receipt?
Actually, yes.
It would have killed … my sense of pride, my sense of decency, my sense of freedom, my sense privacy.
And lastly, it would have killed my sense of “not living in Nazi Germany where I have to show my papers everywhere I go”.
Ok, so that is a bit dramatic, but still.
@H3ion: I believe you are missing the point of this. Wal-mart has no right to even ask for your receipt. If they ask you and you comply, you are simply volunteering to show your receipt. They have no legal basis to demand this nor to detain you. If Wal-mart can’t think of a better way to minimize theft, then that is not consumer’s problem. Target uses cameras and security sensors. No one asks for your receipt. This proves that Wal-mart would rather choose the lazy way of loss-prevention as well as assuming guilt before proven guilty.
@ubermex: And unless the guy stupidly volunteered his name, it’s highly unlikely that the OP would be able to find out who he was.
@ubermex:
IANAL, but I dont’t think it quite works like that.
Acting in good faith does not give someone totally unrelated to the “crime” the right to carry out some vigilante style justice in the parking lot.
@ubermex: the WalMart guy yelled “receipt” so he could check his receipt, not thief, or anything that would seem to indict him as a thief. the crowd was just overzealous, but i don’t think it was WalMart’s fault
@ubermex: Sorry but you couldn’t be more wrong. Unless you witness a felony or are directed to act by a law enforcement officer you have zero right to touch the person. This guy should file a police report asap and hopefully get the police to identify this guy from the cameras.
@ElizabethD: Maybe we don’t want you.
@ElizabethD: I’m taking it as, “one of them running towards me from the other side of the parking lot tackled me”.
That’s how he should have written it, right?
@ElizabethD:
Are you one of those idiot who can’t tell there is two apple, unless it is written with an “are” and a “s” at the end? Language is used for communication, as long as you get the message across, mission has accomplished. It is very clear to me that while he was running toward to his car, which was parked on the other side of the parking lot, a guy tackled him. It is that simple, why make such a big deal over a little grammar mistake. Grammar itself isn’t all that perfect, it needs all kind of exceptions.
@ElizabethD: Though his grammar leaves it open to interpretation, the interpretation that a customer running from the other side of the parking lot towards the OPs car to tackle him makes even less sense than the OP running towards his car to avoid a receipt checker.
How did a random person coming from the other side of the parking lot come to think that OP should be tackled? Most reasonable people in OPs shoes would not have run, but most reasonable pedestrians who were not off duty cops would not have run down a random guy in a parking lot based on a Walmart employee yelling “RECEIPT!”
It think it’s a bit of a stretch to say he wasn’t the one running. But perhaps OP will return and update the post to explain who he meant to say was running.
@dumpsterj: And I’m going to sue you and win.
@dumpsterj: Then sir, you will be out of business in a matter of months afterwards.
Not showing a reciept is a personal choice. If the receipt is convenient … like in the bag … I show it.
Often time when I buy a big ticket item I tuck the receipt in a special spot in my wallet to avoid loss. In that case I often do NOT show it. Especially if I have my 3 year old son in tow.
@dumpsterj: Is it any more trouble for them to have probable cause before they go after someone leaving the store?
If they can articulate that they saw the dude stuffing items down his pants, then ask for a receipt. But I think it’s ludicrous to treat every customer as a criminal.
@dumpsterj: Wow. Let us know where your place of business is so the rest of us can avoid being assaulted while lawfully going about our business.
I see the words vigilante, moron and idiot in your post. I think each of those words would likely be used by the prosecutor at your trial.
Sheesh. Now someone peacefully opting to not give up their rights is a vigilante.
@dumpsterj: Just to be clear, a vigilante is someone who takes the law in his or her own hands. Now, the guy who tackled the OP in the parking lot because he decided he was a shoplifter? HE was a vigilante. But unless the OP bought the XBox with the intent of luring someone into attacking him so that he could punish him for the assault, the OP was not a vigilante.
@Smashville_now with Monster Energy: and you could use the money to open your own business and your OWN greeters
@TakingItSeriously is Simon: “That’s when other shoppers started closing in on him, and why he started running.” Sounds like he started running. He should have just stopped right then and dialed 911.
@Digitizer: That’s funny. I was just thinking that. It would be a bit of a rush perhaps to say no and keep going.
@H3ion: We had our chance way back when – [en.wikipedia.org]
@H3ion: Let me know when, we can go for beers.
@humphrmi: That’s an awesome quote. It covers so many things…the first thing that comes to mind is the freakin’ Patriot Act.
@mariospants: FTFW
Agreed. Since when does “!RECEIPT!” = “THIEF!”. OP should sue, sue, sue, sue, sue. And then sue some more.
@ChemicallyInert: To be fair, I wasn’t exactly in charge of anything. I just worked the door. And nobody got sued, so there’s that
@MattAlbie: Weird… whenever I get one of those stickers, it’s the type that can’t be peeled off without being torn to shreds.
@nodaybuttoday: I get a similar treatment at Target. I’m a young white woman, and I’m usually stopping on my way home from work so I’m dressed a bit nicer than I would be normally. For some reason their express lanes don’t deactivate magnetic strips consistently, so I frequently set off the detectors. I just keep walking – I don’t steal – and no one has ever walked towards me or even said anything.
@nodaybuttoday: I had my receipt checked at a big box store after the guard watched me buy a single large item and have to use a careful leverage technique to hoist it and carry it out of the store. I gave said guard a small sympathetic and understanding smile that said “We know you saw me buy this. Ciao.” But that didn’t work, even for this white female.
@nodaybuttoday: I’m 6’2, 225 lbs, and open carry a .45. I don’t get bothered much.
@NatalieErin: I’ve had the same thing happen at Target. There was even a kid in a ridiculously looking Target-themed boy scout security uniform at the entrance who completely ignored me as the detectors went off.
@NatalieErin: Heh. Whenever the detectors go off, I just turn around and shrug my shoulders, then keep walking. Nobody cares.
When Old navy started putting security tags in their jeans, I didn’t realize what it was. I was setting off alarms going in and out of every store I went to.
@NatalieErin: Hello young white woman. I’ve been looking for you.
Profiling aint so cool when you’re the target.
@pdxazn: Obviously, the OP has NOT gotten the message across, because this line can be interpreted two ways.
@Smashville_now with Monster Energy: no he ran, because customers were starting to come towards him. As he ran the guy ran across the parking lot and tackled him.
@Porcupinesalad: To quote his actual words rather than Chris’ interpretation of them (no offense meant towards Chris)
“At this point running towards my car on the other side of the parking lot, one of them TACKLES ME, and I lose my right shoe a few yards away from where I land. “
I read it as the other guy tacked him while running … maybe he was running AWAY from the guy 2x his size that tackled him … which maked perfect sense to ME!
@senor_tron: There were “about a dozen other people leaving at the same time.” If I was leaving a store and there was a dozen-person knot at the receipt check, I’d just step around them too. I’ve done so at Fry’s with less than half that number. I’ve already been in the store for a long time, I’ve already been standing in line for a long time, I’m done & I want out. Those places are madhouses.
@senor_tron: Who are you to accuse this guy of stealing anything? You do realize that mods happen for a number of reasons, one of which is playing pirated games. OTHER reasons include playing games from other regions of the world that are not sold in a particular country (i.e. a Japanese version of a game), also the ability to store games you have legally purchased.
Also it has been reported that even the presence of a non-XBox hard-drive was enough to get some people banned.
So really, you’re just spreading false information (libel) about a guy that you don’t even know. Congrats.
@H3ion: He is known for writing a legal brief that was 10 pages long with ~100 pages of notations.
@MattAlbie: Depends what the laws regarding shoplifting are in that state. Where I live (not the US), LPOs can’t touch the person until they leave the physical confines of the store since technically they aren’t shoplifting until they actually exit the store without paying.
On the other hand, the Door Greeter/Receipt Checker is almost certainly not a LPO, so it’s kind of moot.
@Smashville_now with Monster Energy: Rereading it, its hard to tell if he was running or somebody was running towards him. So I guess I am not sure, sorry.
@ElizabethD:
I agree. I can guarantee that 99% of shoplifters don’t walk out of the store with a cart of merchandise and bags in their hands. They stuff crap down their pants or purses. What is the point of forcing paying customers to submit to security checks?
@mariospants: Brilliant. I have to remember that.
@Saboth: Exactly. At costco, I will show my receipt as it is part of my membership. Anywhere else can stuff it.
I won’t show my receipt. Frys, Target, Wallyworld, you name it. I haven’t shown a receipt since they started this circus, and welcome the money from the lawsuit if this happened to me.
My honey and I have several shticks we use to get out of it. One of us will run interference, blocking the way and ask some stupid question of the receipt person (Where did you get that tie? or How is your mother?) Or we answer Family Guy style: “Receipt?” “about 2:30″ etc.
Anyone else have stuff they do?
@Areyouagoodlittleconsumer: I have been told that it is slander even if the ONLY witness was the person being slandered.
@Laura Northrup: Don’t forget the part where the person doing the tackling turns out to be a Comcast CSR, and that his ultimate settlement of $125 is the net paid out by AIG after they took their $499,875 cut of the award for executive bonuses.
@Vermifuge: Here’s the wierd thing: Wal-Mart used to do this. I worked there in the mid ’90s and they had security tape for anything purchased at the electronics dept. or layaway (remember layaway?). Really distinctive and you could pick it out on a box from a long way off.
Don’t know why they quit.
@wrjohnston91283: “I know that not showing my receipt may get me tackled,”
And that’s where you’re wrong, because not showing your receipt absolutely should NOT get you tackled. End of story.
@wgrune: Well, if I put on my exam issue spotting glasses, it looks like this:
Tackler has tort actions coming his way for assault, battery, and false imprisonment.
walmart checker might get some kind of misdemeanor for inciting panic or disturbance of the peace based on local whacko statutes for yelling “RECEIPT!”, but he doesn’t get soliciting, aiding, or abetting the Tackler because he did not have a criminal mens rea.
Walmart guy gets battery for grabbing the arm of the Shopper.
He also gets a negligent, or reckless cause of action for allowing the customer to get tackled in the first place, since as an agent of walmart, he owed a duty of reasonable care to ensure the customer’s safety at an establishment open to the public.
@targetdude: Id have no issue with receipt checking if it actually worked. At the stores I’ve worked, the checkers look at the paper and move on,most don’t even care whats on it. Ive seen people, on more than one occasion walkout with product not on the receipt. Ive seen people walk out with product and show a return receipt. But i have never seen someone caught shoplifting because of a receipt checker (I have seen them stopped by a checker after the alarm went off…but thats because they were closest as opposed to doing a good job)
@JayXJ:
I’m sure someone probably stole some rolls of tape and went to other Wal-Marts, stealing and such, costing them more than it cost to pay the receipt checker.
@csparks: Okay…I wasn’t sure if you actually were there…I was like…hey! hey! Info!
@ludwigk: I asked about this issue the last time this came about.
As far as I understand, if I am returning to my car in a Wal-Mart parking lot (in MN, mind you), with my gun on me, and someone is charging at me, and I believe my life is in danger, I can draw and shoot. This is as *I* understand it.
I was corrected in my prior question in regards to being held if they think you stole something, however that situation is, also, ambiguous.
I’d like to know what any other permit holders (in any state) think.
@empkae: You have been told incorrectly. You need a third party.
@Chris Walters:
@SadSam: Yeah, the requirement to retreat in MN was repealed in Aug.
@Traveshamockery: Oh shut up and calm down, troll.
Christians have wreaked more havoc on humanity and the world generally speaking than anyone, while pretending to be victims, let’s just agree to disagree on that.
Just in my personal life as a gay man I see over and over “Christians” want the right to kill me on the street and take away all my rights to even exist, but the second someone questions their rights, which are never threatened, they scream bloody murder. So they don’t get sympathy from me – ever.
Here is proof of their Christian capitalist beliefs in action: [www.forbes.com]
We’ve seen on tv more than enough psycopaths that lose it when given the chance and do mass shootings, even those you suspect the least in positions that shouldn’t do so. Fort Hood ring a bell? This kind of thing just encourages them to come out of the woodwork.
This story, which you could have found on Google in two seconds if you weren’t lazy proves I was right – day after Tgiving last year:
[www.nydailynews.com]
They promoted his death by opening doors to an out of control mob instead of having security establish an orderly line for entry with controlled progress of people filing single in only so many at a time.
Gawd, interpreting for these learning disabled readers, I tell ya!
@Areyouagoodlittleconsumer: By the way, I might add, after every single solitary mass shooting tragedy, there is the obligatory wringing of hands and falsely caring QUESTIONS by the media like
WHAT SETS PSYCHOS OFF?
HOW CAN THIS BE PREVENTED IN THE FUTURE?
WHAT ARE THE ANSWERS TO BE FOUND IN THIS TRAGEDY?
How can YOU be safe when shopping?
Now here we have a perfect pristine example as to what sets people off and raises risk, but yet again, nothing will be done until people are shot to death over it.
When you wrongly subject paying honest customers to ridiculous invasive, offensive, and ineffective security measures for no reason, it pisses them off, and some of them will go mental and lose it, reacting violently, because, well, society sucks more than ever, violence is glamorized in every media outlet possible 24/7, and people are made to think it is okay or cute to shoot and kill.
HENCE my claims above, WalMart is needlessly building up to a national tragedy mass shooting…like I said, just watch…
@nstonep: “Plus banned from xbox live but no reason given. Is it because you have a mod chip to play burned games? Maybe you didn’t steal the xbox but that doesn’t mean you’re not a thief. “
Wow, you really had to stretch to blame the op on that one! i’m impressed
@david.c:
//It would have killed … my sense of pride, my sense of decency, my sense of freedom, my sense privacy.//
You are making a retail transaction on a company’s private property, not a stand for universal human rights. Just show em the bloody receipt.
@DangerMouth: wtf?
@targetdude:
Come back to the world of reality. My wife is a CSM at Wal Mart and that simply is not true.
@Areyouagoodlittleconsumer: @Traveshamockery:: Hyperbole abounds.
@ludwigk: I’m reading your comment in the middle of our 10 minute break in Torts class… thank you for that.
I say haul ‘em all to court and go all Summers v. Tice on their arses!
/not really
We ARE talking about typical Wal-martees.
People of Walmart.com anyone?