Class Action Targets Ticket Resellers

Remember RMG Technologies, the horrible little company that made five-year-olds cry by snatching up all the Hannah Montana tickets? Boaz Lissauer, a New Jesery plastic surgeon, recently sued them and other ticket resellers after paying $195 for nosebleed seats worth $63 to see the Police in Madison Square Garden. Lissauer is now asking a Pittsburgh court for class action status.

Ticketmaster won an injunction in October barring RMG from accessing their services, but RMG is countersuing, claiming that Ticketmaster is an illegal monopoly. We’re torn because Ticketmaster is an illegal monopoly, but $195 is way too much to pay for tickets to the Police.

Man claims agency helps scalpers horde tickets for Hannah, Police, sports [AP]
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  1. shan6 says:

    I hope ticket master loses, and the plastic surgeon wins.

  2. ClayS says:

    @shan6:

    The plastic surgeon isn’t suing Ticketmaster, he is suing the ticket reselllers.

    The problem with Ticketmaster is the inability of their website to prevent scalpers from quickly buying up all the tickets to popular events. If the ticket transactions could be limited to Ticketmaster and the event patrons, there would be no issue.

  3. savdavid says:

    It is a greedy, slimy practice I agreed. However, if the guy is going to pay that much it must have been worth it to him.

  4. Aladdyn says:

    @ClayS: I think than Shan6 said exactly what he meant to say. I agree with him.

  5. TheUncleBob says:

    Dear Boaz Lissauer: Why do you hate capitalism?

    Also, Ticketmaster is a monopoly, sure – but is it an “illegal” one? What does it do that makes it illegal? Simply being a monopoly isn’t illegal…

  6. morganlh85 says:

    @TheUncleBob: Right…isn’t making the business environment unfavorable to competitors part of it? In this case it’s totally the other way around — the ticket resellers are making the environment unfavorable to the monopoly!

  7. Anonymous says:

    Bad practice, maybe. The ticket scalpers not the surgeon. I have no sympathy for the people that pay those prices for tickets, they wanted them bad enough to pay that price so tough luck. Plus the people that pay the overinflated prices for tickets always seem to be the same intolerable asses that have to let everyone within 10 miles know how much they paid for the tickets.

  8. Dick.Blake says:

    If you were willing to burn $200 for nosebleed seats, then obviously price wasn’t an issue. Those re-sellers are a joke on mark-ups. If I REALLY want to go and couldn’t get anything thru Ticketmaster, I’ll try Ebay or Craig’s a couple of days before the show.

    Last April I didn’t want to pay nearly $100 each for Killers tickets, so I waited and got a pair from Ebay for about $60 each.

  9. ToadKillerDog says:

    I log onto my local radio station’s website. FREE TICKETS ARE GOOD! Saw North Mississippi Allstars free last Saturday. Small venue. Bad expensive beer. What more could you want?

  10. goller321 says:

    I have to agree with other posters. The surgeon doesn’t deserve anything, she was stupid enough to pay for the tickets. But I do think that there needs to be stronger regulations on both TM and resellers.

  11. bravo369 says:

    aren’t the ticketmaster prices set because of an agreement between the venue and the artist/entertainment? if so then I think the ‘Resellers’ should only be allowed to sell tickets for the price the venue is selling them for. no markup…no $200 for tickets that are only $50. If they want to enter into the ticket selling market then they should be forced to follow the agreements set by the venue.

  12. sven.kirk says:

    @goller321: At least somebody has some common sense here. With the nosebleed tickets being $63, that seems a bit UNDER price for a reunion tour. (Not that I would actually go to a/any reunion tour.)

    If you are complaining about the price, DON’T GO.

  13. sven.kirk says:

    Also. How is TicketMaster an “illegal” monopoly? What most are complaining about is the “RE”selling of tickets. The law that governs that, goes for ALL tickets.

    And as for monopoly. When you go to the movies, do you see TicketMaster on your stub.

    Flame on!!!

  14. Snarkysnake says:

    A crude graph :

    Supply (price) Demand

    The one in the middle determines the one at the end.

    How many people would go to see the Police for $40 ?
    (Lots)

    $100 ?
    (fewer,but still many)

    $275 ?
    Still fewer,a man’s gotta eat,you know…

    $720
    “I just made millions selling “subprime” mortgages to hillbillies with no job. What do I care what it costs” ?

    $2000 ?
    Lottery winners. Sting stalkers.

    $5000 ?
    Sting’s mom.

  15. TheUncleBob says:

    I’m sorry, I just don’t see any reason why the government needs to get involved in how tickets for entertainment events are distributed. Are people going to get screwed because they’re willing to pay $1,000+ for Hanna Montanna tickets? Does *anyone* really care?

    Seriously folks, our government can’t even get things like border security right – why are some of you wanting the government to waste time on the distribution of entertainment tickets?

  16. FishingCrue says:

    Doesn’t the fact that resellers exist prove that the tickets are inefficiently priced in the first place? I hate scalpers as much as anyone but as long as they don’t articifially decrease the supply of tickets (buying them all of up and then only selling a portion at greatly inflated prices) I don’t see a problem.

    Focus: Why should the scalper earn the money that could go to the poor starving artist?

  17. MisterE says:

    It’s cheaper to pay $50 for a bootleg concert on DVD.

  18. laserjobs says:

    Now if we could just get a class action suit agains LiveNation for thier non refundable service charge even if an event is canceled. I contacted a class action law firm and I got a letter back with the response “We are unable to help you with this case based on our relationship with the LiveNation”

  19. bohemian says:

    Tickemaster and the online scalpers both need to get their hands smacked. Someone needs to force a way for venues to use a set of multiple ticket sellers but also set limits on what kind of fees they can add on for the service. They also need to limit how many tickets can be bought some way.

    I would have less issue paying $200 a seat if they money was going to the act and not to a bunch of bottom feeders.

  20. nequam says:

    @FishingCrue: If an artist’s act is popular enough to spawn scalpers, then he probably isn’t starving.

  21. ihateauditions says:

    The venues could get rid of this neatly by selling *all* tickets at auction. The price would naturally rise to the maximum value that sells all seats.

    Of course I’m guessing poor people would complain like mad if *all* Hannah Montana tickets were $150, but it’d take care of scalper-induced artificial scarcity.

  22. ihateauditions says:

    Re: Ticketmaster as an illegal monopoly, I basically agree.

    TicketMaster signs so many contracts that it’s nearly impossible for a large venue or artist to *not* do business with them. They’ll forbid venues from using competing ticket services, forbid artists from playing at non-ticketmaster venues, etc.

    I put together a serious proposal for an alternative to ticketmaster, but it became obvious that it wouldn’t work because of legal bills. Our best estimates were that it would cost about five million dollars to put together the basic business, and another 100+ million in lawyers to get access to the large market.

    IN the meantime, I’m just happy when I see cities like Vegas eschewing ticketmaster altogether. More cities need to do so.

  23. castlecraver says:

    I love it when the amateur economists and free-market simpletons invade these threads. It’s always so entertaining, in a “Dumb and Dumber” sort of way.

  24. ihateauditions says:

    @castlecraver: Do you have any specific complaints, or are you just attempting to sound superior, without offering any content?

    Obviously the issues are complex (e.g. an artist might want to make sure his shows sell out quickly, while ticketmaster might want to maximize their fees and a scalper might want to maximize their total profit, even if this means purposefully failing to sell all seats), but you don’t seem to be bringing anything to the converation.

  25. lemur says:

    @castlecraver: Are you going to just call people names or are you going to contribute to the discussion?

  26. shan6 says:

    @ClayS: I know, I was talking about the seperate lawsuits, using one sentance.

  27. courtneywoah says:

    I think its ridiculous to say that the surgeon was stupid for paying so much for nosebleed tickets. If the concert you want to go to is sold out EVERY TIME you try and buy tickets then how else are you going to get them? People shouldn’t have to miss a concert just because some asshole scalpers bought up all the tickets. A lawsuit is the only way to go about this. Let’s have some sympathy for the people here and not the businesses that are screwing everyone over.

  28. ClayS says:

    @shan6:
    Got it. I’m going with the plastic surgeon and Ticketmaster though. I feel that RMG is enabling scalpers to subvert the system. Ticketron is selling tickets at a reasonable price; one that is agreed upon by the artist/venue. If they were an “illegal monopoly”, they would be selling the tickets at market prices, the way the scalpers are.

  29. Buran says:

    @TheUncleBob: Uh, don’t you think that’s a little flamebaitish? You can disagree with something crooked while not being against the underlying system.

  30. synergy says:

    If RMG buys up all the tickets, there’s still a monopoly only magnified by increasing the price by over 300%.

  31. Gorky says:

    The point isnt that SOME people are willing to pay the ridiculous prices that resellers charge, its that so many people that WANT to go and CANT afford to go to the event by paying what the resellers want dont have a chance to buy a ticket at face value which they COULD afford. Basically This makes it so only the rich can afford to go to concerts and shows. If only individuals who wanted to go to the show were allowed to buy tickets through ticketmaster there wouldnt be ridiculous inflated prices for tickets. Just because enough people with money to buy tickets that fill the stadium think a ticket is worth paying $300 for doesnt mean there arent other people who wouldve gone had they been able to pay face value

  32. TheUncleBob says:

    “Only the rich can go” is a pretty poor legal argument. Those who have money obviously have more money to spend on frivolous things like concert tickets.

    We’re not talking about food, water, or even housing here. We’re talking about concert tickets. Do people *want* to go to concerts? Sure. Is there any reason these people *need* to go to the concert? Is there a paragraph of the Constitution or some various holy doctrine that says People, rich or poor, have the inalienable right to go to a concert?

    Seriously, first and foremost, we need to establish the fact that the government doesn’t need to be involved in telling private companies how to distribute tickets to their private events. Let our representatives in Washington worry about real issues and let us figure out a way to bring more concert acts to the cheap seats.

  33. bnb614 says:

    Ticketmaster has an exclusive contract with Live Nation, who promotes probably 75% of all concerts? That is what makes it a monopoly. And the reason service fees are so high is because in exchange for the exclusive agreement, Ticketmaster gives a rebate on part of the service fee back to Live Nation.

    That is why it is ironic that the CEO of Live Nation says they are quitting Ticketmaster because service fees are so high, when he could get rid of his rebate and the service fee would drop drastically.

  34. forgottenpassword says:

    i think the pos ticket resellers who use programs that snatch up all available tickets within the first few seconds/minutes of them being available …. need to die.

  35. forgottenpassword says:

    and in reference to the people who say “it just capitalism!” What about people who cant easily afford a $200 ticket that was normally $50 before some greedy ticket reseller snatched them all up before anyone else could get them? Oh… I guess because they cant afford an outrageous markup by unscrupulous & greedy ticket resellers, then they dont deserve to go. PFFT!

  36. bnb614 says:

    Supply and demand don’t apply.

    When a scalper buys a ticket to a concert they have no intention of attending they are artificially increasing the demand by reducing the supply.

  37. lemur says:

    @bnb614: Supply and demand do apply. Whether or not scalpers buy tickets the number of tickets on the market is the same. If the scalpers are able to sell the tickets for more than the original price that’s because the original price was too low. There is no artificial scarcity here because the number of tickets available is exactly the same whether scalpers buy them or not.

  38. Feminist Whore says:

    I don’t get it. I thought scalping was already illegal. At least judging by my lengthy police record it is. ha. Isn’t RMG just an organized scalping agency?

    And whether or not ticketmaster is a monopoly seems irrelevant, wouldn’t the guvmint have to be the one’s suing for that? RMG suing ticketmaster is like me suing Circle-K for not allowing me to buy them out of refreshing soft drinks and satisfying smokes and then selling them for more just outside their parking lots. (gosh on second thought, excellent business model, I hope they win). Whether or not RMG wins doesn’t make ticketmaster less of a monopoly. “Ticketmaster won an injunction in October barring RMG from accessing their services” They are just suing to be able to still be customers of TM, right….?

    *scratches head**wanders off*

  39. cuiusquemodi says:

    I think that these sorts or arguments fail to ever blame the real villains: Hannah Montana and the Police (and, indeed, any other sort of act which requires tickets to get in). If only these artists would schedule enough shows, the supply of tickets (which is fixed based entirely on the number of dates and the size of the venues). Why, pray tell, do not these “artists” just do five shows a day for a week in every city they visit? Then everyone who wanted to could get tickets (or, more likely, they would come to their senses and stay home).

    These tickets are a (artificially) scarce good, and the pricing scheme put forth by the original sellers puts the price too low for that number of tickets, as evidenced by the existence of and prices in the secondary market. All RMG is doing is taking advantage of an arbitrage opportunity, which is made available to them by the original sellers. If you really want to eliminate this practice, then make people buy their tickets in person at the venue in cash. Limit one per person, the eventual attendees must be in line. Of course, don’t be surprised when the number of people in line outstrips the number of tickets, and you have to explain to a thousand tweens why they can’t get their tickets.

  40. BlinkyGuy says:

    Supply and demand do not apply in this case. Artists have a say in the value of their work and the audience that they want to attract. If they want to perform at a price that allows them to reach people that can’t afford high price tickets, scalpers are violating their rights,not just the buyer’s rights.

    The lawsuit would most effectively be brought by the artists.

    Money is a tool like any other. Its use is regulated by what we say is legal and depends on how we decide to interact with each other, not a mysterious “supply and demand, wisdom of the marketplace, law of the jungle” logic puzzle.

  41. bnb614 says:

    @lemur: The number of tickets it not necesarily the same. If a scalper buys 5 tickets @ $20 a piece, and re-sells them for $40, he only has to sell 2.5 tickets to break even. SO once he sells 3 tickets, he can afford to drive a hard bargain on the final 2 tickets, and often times scalpers go home with unsold tickets. Tickets that would have been sold at the original price.

  42. TheUncleBob says:

    @forgottenpassword: What about people who can’t easily afford a $500 television made with $50 worth of parts? Do we really want the government to be allowed to come in and set prices just because someone can’t easily afford it otherwise?

  43. Gorky says:

    @TheUncleBob:

    But that $500 TV made from $50 of parts was priced at $500 by the manufacturer and everyone who wants one for $500 can buy one. If you cant afford it for $500 then you shouldnt buy one. The gripe in this article is that people who CAN afford to go to an event for the price stated on the ticket are now unable to go because they cant afford a 500% markup on the ticket price. Big difference here.

  44. sleepydumbdude says:

    I haven’t been to a concert by any A list musicians since before the internet boom. I was one of the people who didn’t get damn close to the stage then I wasn’t going. Now I simply don’t bother trying.

  45. TheUncleBob says:

    @Gorky: So if you ever want to resell anything you’ve purchased, you should only be allowed to sell it at the manufacturer’s suggested retail price?

    If I’m correct, aren’t there even laws against manufacturers enforcing the suggested retail prices?

    Once someone legally buys a product (we’ll let Ticketmaster and RMG decide if RMG is illegally purchasing these tickets), it should be theirs to sell for whatever crazy price they want. Seriously, do you want Uncle Sam coming by your next yard sale, setting prices on your items for you? Maybe we should all write letters to congress and ask them to set up a Yard Sale Pricing Committee.

  46. cef21 says:

    @Gorky: So, you’re saying that when RMG buys up tickets for, say, Hannah Montana, the audience is full of only rich people? I imagine that the limousine area of the parking lot must be just chock-full with rich bastards like oil barons and real estate moguls.

    If that’s true, though, I should point out that those rich bastards are going to get the tickets ANYWAY. They’ll just pay the $300 to the poor shrubs who bought the ticket straight from ticketmaster.*** The only reason this isn’t going to happen is if the poor shrubs and rich bastards can’t get together to cut a deal.

    ***Note that since we’re excluding the poor shrubs who would buy from the reseller at $300, we’re now only talking about poor shrubs who, given a choice between $300 and the ticket, would choose the $300.

  47. cuiusquemodi says:

    @BlinkyGuy: Money is a tool like any other, in that you can make decrees about what’s legal until you’re blue in the face, but people will still use it in a way which maximizes their personal gain. This is an inherent part of human nature, and no number of decrees from on high will change that. Supply and demand do apply in this case, and in every case, and pretending that people will behave in a way contrary to their own interests in order to promote the socially optimal outcome is Marxist babble. (Altruism being a form of personal utility maximization; you give money or other goods to charity when doing so is the most utility-maximizing way of using those assets.)

    Artists do have a say in who is admitted to these sorts of functions. By making tickets available to the general public, they effectively grant that decision making power to the market. There’s nothing keeping Hannah Montana or the Police or the football teams from distributing their tickets only to their friends and families. If you really want to ensure that only the original purchasers of a ticket are able to use it, you will need to institute a regime like the one I suggested, or have any other way of linking one individual to one ticket. No amount of legalese about how a ticket is a revokable, non-transferable license will change anything.

    And, again, if an artists wants to make sure that tickets made available to the public will be available at the desired price, they just need to shift the supply curve (add dates) so it intersects with the demand curve (as snarkysnake illustrated above).

  48. bustit22 says:

    This is no different than the people who bought Nintendo Wiis and resold them for 150% markups.
    It’s called capitalism people! If people didn’t want to pay more than the face value of a ticket, then scalpers wouldn’t be in business.
    Scalpers have no advantage over regular folks when it comes to buying tickets. They have to line up just like everyone else. If you got your ass up early enough to get the good seats at face value prices, then there wouldn’t be any problems.

  49. newspapersaredead says:

    Consumerist has posted other stories dealing with ticket brokers. The one thing it has taught me is that I need to start my own ticket brokerage. I also need to start buying the new video game systems when they come out and sell them for huge markups on ebay. Instead of people having a backbone and refusing to pay the ridiculous markups, they keep paying higher and higher markups. If you think the brokerages are scum, DON’T GIVE THEM YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY! It’s really that simple. If people refuse to do business with them, they go away. After reading the comments by certain whiny posters on this site it appears this is not likely to happen. I can’t wait until Hannah Montana will be back in town. There’s obviously money to be made.

  50. forgottenpassword says:

    dont forget…. that these ticket resellers use computer programs to buy up all the ticketsthe moment they become available online within a few seconds or minutes. And the average person wanting to buy from ticketmaster is often SOL & have no choice but to buy from the resellers at over-inflated prices because they have most (if not nearly ALL) of the tickets.

    If there were a legit way that a certain amount (say half of available tickets) were set aside for individuals who want to pay a normal price…. then I would have no problem. The problem is that ticketmaster has yet to come up with a practical way to make sure this happens.

    I hate that some people here think that because ticket resellers can scam & hack the ticket-buying software , buying up all available tickets before any individual person can, that this is somehow justifiable under “its capitalism!” mantra.

  51. Tejas says:

    here in Australia we have whats called “a declared venue” events at said venues are subject to the following provision:

    Ticket holders are permitted to on sell their tickets provided the cost of the ticket is no more than 10% above the original ticket price. However, the Act does not authorise the resale of a ticket if the original conditions of sale by the event promoter prohibit resale.

  52. TheUncleBob says:

    @forgottenpassword: If a reseller is hacking the system, then Ticketmaster needs to (and should) address that issue using the legal system.

    Just like any case where a seller (in this case, Ticketmaster) and a buyer (in this case, RMG) have an issue, they need to be the ones to resolve the issue, using the courts if necessary.

  53. doctor_cos wants you to remain calm says:

    @lemur: “If the scalpers are able to sell the tickets for more than the original price that’s because the original price was too low.”
    WRONG. It’s because there aren’t any tickets available at the original price because the scalpers bought most of them.

    Ticket scalping used to be illegal. I don’t give a rat’s ass what you call these ‘ticket brokers’ they’re pond scum.

  54. pigeonpenelope says:

    i thought ticket scalping is illegal in the US. confused as to how this company is not in trouble.

  55. DoctorMD says:

    Ticketmaster is a monopoly when it comes to live event tickets. It is an illegal monopoly as they charge exorbitant rates for something usually done for free (online purchase of airline tickets) or a small fee ($1 for movies). Additionally they charge you the fee if you buy the ticket on site, so they use their monopoly to charge you without providing a product or service.
    Concerts suck anyways: crowds, poor acoustics, unknown quality of sound system, cheating with notes instead of chords etc.

  56. ju_ju_eyeball says:

    1. Monopolies are illegal. Just ask Microsoft.
    2. The TV theory: the problem is not that the TV has $50.00 in parts, it is that someone went to the TV store and bought all the TVs before anybody else could and is now trying to sell the TVs at $500.00 dollars. If you think that is fair, please tell me where you shop and what you intend to buy so I can screw you…

  57. bnb614 says:

    @DoctorMD: Airlines let you buy tickets for free on their site because they get the profit from your flight. If you buy it from Travelocity, then get a kickback from the airline to sell you the ticket. Ticketmaster doesn’t profit from the face value of the the concert ticket.

    You are incorrect that Additionally they charge you the fee if you buy the ticket on site, so they use their monopoly to charge you without providing a product or service.

    There are plenty of venues where if you purchase at the box office you do not pay a service fee. Ticketmaster doesn’t own any venues, so if you walk up to a box office on site and get charged a fee, the venue decided to charge that fee. If you walk up to a venue box office, 99% of the time those employees are venue or promoter employees, not Ticketmaster. Ticketmaster provides the system the venue uses, but the venue or promoter staff the box office.

    I am hardly a fan of Ticketmaster but you are stating things that aren’t accurate.

    Ticketmaster is willing to take the bad PR to keep their clients happy. People bitch about TM, TM gives service fee rebates to their clients, the clients are happy, and insulated from the complaints. In the end people hate TM, but they have to use them.

  58. jeffjohnvol says:

    What they ought to do is any tickets that get purchased in the first 4 hours go into a lottery system. If there are tickets left after the 4 hours, everyone gets a ticket and the go for a first come first serve.

    Or the tickets sold during the first 4 hours require an ID to match the ticket.

  59. D.B. Cooper-Nichol says:

    @Gorky: How about a class action against those jerks who are reselling homes for more than they paid? What about all those poor people who need a house, and can’t buy one? Government, help me!!!!!

  60. timsgm1418 says:

    since when is it a “right” to go to a concert. If you can’t afford it, don’t go. I guess maybe I’m just not getting it. Isn’t this the same as saying it’s not fair for people to camp out to get tickets as soon as they are available, when you are unable to do so? I definitely don’t feel that the government needs to get involved. Quit paying the high prices, and the scalpers will quit charging so much. If they couldn’t get more than the “real” price for the ticket, they wouldn’t charge more…supply & demand…

  61. forgottenpassword says:

    @timsgm1418:

    Yeah, but these guys are not “camping out” in line. They are using software to buy as many tickets as possible online so they can resell them for outrageous prices & keeping anyone else from buying them at normal prices. Its one thing for a scalper to camp out overnight to buy 50 tickets….. its quite different for one to do so online & buy 5,000 the moment they are available to the public before any individuals can get them.

  62. Witera33it says:

    It’s more like ticket resellers have butted into line en masse, like a bunch of bullies, so that no one else gets any, then turns around to all the people they butted in front of and offers to sell the tickets for everything they have in their piggy bank.

  63. avantartist says:

    Many states (26 states) have adopted anti-scalping regulations, nearly 3/4 of the US population lives in jurisdictions where such laws apply.

    So in this case the Police at Madison Square Garden, New York city claim jurisdiction for any transaction, anywhere, if the event is to be held in their municipality. The NY anti-scalping law Limits resale price (include such limits as $1 above printed price; $3 service charge; percentage limitations).

    I think the ticket resellers that buy up all the tickets and then re-determine their value are the scum of the earth so I don’t, won’t and never will purcahse anything through them.

  64. slowinthefastlane says:

    I don’t have a beef with Ticketmaster’s online sales. If they want to charge you money for the connivence of ordering online, then so be it. What really pisses me off is when they tack on the same service charge for buying the tickets AT THE VENUE’S BOX OFFICE. I haven’t bought tickets in awhile, but this used to be the case at “Ticketmaster exclusive venues”. If I get my butt off the couch and drive down to the arena box office, I should be able to buy the ticket at face value plus tax. No additional charges.

  65. deVious says:

    @castlecraver: Agreed. People learn about supply and demand in econ. 101 and think they can tout that in a snarky way far too often.

    Just because it makes sense in a completely free and efficient market does not mean it’s not illegal. We don’t live in a world of free and efficient markets.

    Whether we’d be better off or not in such a world is not something I want to debate here.

  66. holdemm says:

    I can read about it now, Anonymous vs. Ticket Resellers.

  67. lovelygirl says:

    I don’t get why this is such a problem. Simple premise of capitalism– supply and demand. I have it, you want it, I have the only whatever product, I charge what I want. There is nothing wrong with this. Do we want to go to a socialist system? Goodness, if I had a house in a school district that was always winning awards for academic excellence, low-no crime, low-no pollution, nice location, etc., it would cost a lot of money as opposed to a house that is failing in academic standards, rife with crime and pollution, and that is the way it should be! What is possibly wrong with this?!

  68. lovelygirl says:

    And as long as the software used to buy tickets so quickly is something accessible to others there is absolutely nothing wrong. What if I am extremely rich and for example, my adult child loved Hannah Montana(substitute with any celebrity) and was getting married. I want them and all their family and friends and my friends and business connections and such to be at this concert, as a sort of wedding celebration. Why can’t I buy those tickets online the second that they are released? It’s not my problem if other people were too slow to buy them. I could just as easily negotiate a deal with the stadium and celebrity as buy online. (This is something I remember reading– an Indian billionaire had a huge party for his daughter’s wedding I believe and he hired a famous celebrity to perform(seriously… an A-lister, I just don’t remember).

  69. doctor_cos wants you to remain calm says:

    All the other arguments aside, this isn’t right. And I earned that right by standing in many lines ‘back in the day’ to get the good tickets.
    Now you can’t get the good tickets because these bottom feeders with illegal software are snapping them up so they can illegally sell them for more than they paid for them.

    This is NO DIFFERENT from if I was to be first in line at some huge theater in say, NY, for the next Star Wars movie and bought ALL the tickets for the show, then turned around and sold them for 2/3/4/5x what I just paid. I don’t think that would go over too well.

  70. doctor_cos wants you to remain calm says:

    Excuse me, I earned the right to say this isn’t right :) and so did the rest of us poor dumbasses standing in lines (remember waiting to get into Sears in the mall because that was where Ticketmaster was?).

  71. JustAGuy2 says:

    @bravo369:

    Absolutely. And the record companies should be able to prohibit you from reselling any CD you buy.

  72. JustAGuy2 says:

    @avantartist:

    New York repealed its idiotic anti-scalping law quite a while back – all it really did was create work for couriers, who would deliver the tix from the NJ and CT brokers into the city.

  73. Hambriq says:

    @lovelygirl:

    Well, it’s not really capitalism at work.

    If every venue that was sold out because of scalpers was also at full attendance, that would be one thing. In cases like that, it is a function of capitalism. People are willing to pay $X00 for a Hannah Montana, Boston Red Sox, or Super Bowl ticket. You can’t change that.

    But in a large number of cases, the venues that are being scalped are sold out, but half full. People aren’t willing to pay $200 to see Wretched Emo Band play at the local concert stadium, but that’s how much the tickets are going for. Come concert time, half the seats are empty. This is just Econ 101. The price is set higher than what the demand justifies, and as a result, you have a surplus.

    The problem is there are so many different types of venues that it is impossible to create a solution that caters to all of them. Tickets for a sporting event require an entirely different set of concerns than tickets to a concert, which in turn require an entirely different set of concerns than a ticket to a festival.

  74. Hambriq says:

    Actually, to go even further, even the type of sport creates a different set of concerns. Baseball tickets have an entirely different dynamic than football tickets, for example. There’s really no one-size-fits-all solution to the problem.

  75. mac-phisto says:

    if ticketmaster or the venues really wanted to fix this they could: require purchasers to create an account when ordering & show ID at the door when entering the venue. buying tickets for someone else? fine, then you have to enter their name & ID# & ID type when buying & they can show their ID when they go to see the show.

    that would nip it right in the bud. technically, tickets are non-refundable & non-transferable, so anyone bitching about losing the right to give away or sell their ticket is arguing for a right they don’t have in the first place.

  76. JustAGuy2 says:

    @mac-phisto:

    Yeah, I really want to show my ID every time I go to a baseball game.

  77. Hambriq says:

    @JustAGuy2:

    Why is it an issue? I’m not trying to be contentious here, I’m genuinely curious: if it would legitimately fix the problem (not saying it would, but the sake of the hypothetical situation), what is the opposition to showing your ID?

  78. D.B. Cooper-Nichol says:

    @mac-phisto: “technically, tickets are non-refundable & non-transferable”

    That’s simply false.

  79. JustAGuy2 says:

    @Hambriq:

    1. It’s intrusive. We have too much “papers please” in this country as it is.

    2. It’ll slow down the lines to get in even further.

    If the venue wants to launch this, that’s their call, but it certainly would discourage me from wanting to go to their events.

  80. JustAGuy2 says:

    @D.B. Cooper-Nichol:

    Depends on the ticket. Some (such as a lot of season tickets) are explicitly non-transferable, although that’s generally overlooked if you’re not selling them.