Would You Buy Groceries With A Fingerprint?

Jewel-Osco, a Midwest supermarket, introduced a biometric payment system. After signing up and associating your fingerprint with your credit card, you can buy groceries just by pushing your finger on a reader at checkout and entering your “search number.”

According to their FAQ, this information is secure, they don’t actually take your fingerprints (just “data points…which cannot be turned into a fingerprint), and all the information is stored off-site at a Pay-By-Touch facility, a privately held company.

What do you think? Is this more, or less, secure than current systems of payment and authentication?

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  1. PatrickIs2Smart says:

    The Farm Fresh stores in my area have this type of system set up… I’ve been meaning to give it a shot… it looks interesting. You can link it to either your checking account or a Discover card… So I got a Discover card, just so I could use my finger at the grocery store…

  2. muckpond says:

    the Sunflower Markets have this as well. And it creeps me out. maybe i’ve seen too many episodes of “alias.”

  3. chutch says:

    It would be noticeable, but there’s an episode of Mythbusters that applies here. They guys spent a large part of it breaking into fingerprint security systems to prove/disprove Hollywood movie myths. They managed it buy extracting a fingerprint and doing some things to it.

  4. hills says:

    sounds cool – all they need to do is link my little grocery discount card that I always lose, and then I wouldn’t have to open my wallet at all (physically, that is…. metaphorically is a different story)

  5. Coder4Life says:

    The HyVee’s around Iowa have installed them as well..

    Even harder to realize that you’ve spent ton of money any more.. It’s rediculous.

    Hopefully it can also recognize that you are of age when u buy booz, woulndt that be great.. that u dont have to worry about your id’ either..

  6. timmus says:

    I’ve always wondered how long until someone goes on a shopping spree at Circuit City, Best Buy, etc, after chopping off someone else’s finger.

  7. scoobydoo says:

    I’ve been using this for over a year now. It’s great for a few reasons: you never need to carry your store card again, and you don’t need ID for booze :)

    I don’t mind using it, it scans my finger then I need to enter a search number on the pinpad, between the 2 of them I feel secure enough. It’s easier for someone to steal or clone my CC than it would be for them to fake this. Sure, my fingerprint can be lifted, but they’d also need my search number. For a thief it would be quicker to just lift my wallet.

  8. scoobydoo says:

    @chutch: It still took a LOT of work to copy the print, even for the Mythbusters. I highly doubt anyone would do that much work just for some free groceries.

  9. formergr says:

    @chutch: Yeah, it was super high-tech too– they literally photocopied a finger, and just cut out the fingerprint and were able to gain entrance to a “biometric” lock with it.

    BTW, Jewel-Osco introduced this in Chicago close to three years ago– this is not news.

  10. Rusted says:

    Retina scan might be better, ala Minority Report.

  11. Hawkins says:

    Mr. Chutch: Keep in mind that the article is talking about two-factor authentication: something you have (your finger), plus something you know (a number). As long as you don’t use an obvious number it should be reasonably secure. (They appear to be suggesting that you use your phone number, which is retarded.)

    But what I’d like to know is: what’s so hard about whipping out a card to pay?

  12. scoobydoo says:

    @formergr: That was only with the crappy optical fingerprint reader. The PayByTouch ones look like they are resistive types, meaning they’ll need a “real” finger. So the Mythbusters trick with moist ballistics gel would probably work.

  13. Venarain says:

    my question is, what the eff is wrong with cash? your identity is not attached to it, it’s not trackable and every one looks sexier with a couple twenties in their wallets. if you are worried about security, forget “secured” cards or retina scanners or finger printing, carry cash.

  14. doctor_cos wants you to remain calm says:

    This is at least as good as the ‘swipe past’ cards with the RFID chip. Actually better, as you have to enter a code.
    “What’s your code?”
    “1…2…3……4″
    “Only an idiot would use that for a code.”
    “Remind me to change my PIN code.”

  15. Max2068 says:

    @Venarain: You don’t get rewards back from cash. Also, coin change is a pain, and you can’t cancel cash if you’re mugged.

    I’d be on board for something like this. Less chance of someone skimming your card number, since the CC never leaves your wallet, let alone your hand.

  16. reykjavik says:

    They’ve been doing this in Singapore for years now…

  17. Christy says:

    Yeah, the Farm Freshes here have had that set up for at least a year or two. I’d have to say that I’m with Muckpond on this one, though. Too many episodes of 24 and Alias for this to seem alright to me.

    It does conjure up thoughts of the much-talked-about Real ID legislation, for some reason. Paranoia sets in and it seems like another unnecessary excuse for someone to keep my vital information easily on file and accessible.

  18. stpauliegirl says:

    Cub Foods in the Twin Cities has also had this for a while. I’ve never seen anyone use it, they’ve never tried to sell me on it, and I have no idea how it works. I’m okay with all that. But if I could get it at the liquor store to not get carded anymore like Scoobydoo, I would sign up in a heartbeat.

  19. campero says:

    Yea…these have been around since last year in the Twin Cities…some people already found ways to lift someone’s fingerprints from the machine and use it pay for food :-|

  20. kerry says:

    They brought this to my nearest Jewel maybe 6 months to a year ago. I still haven’t signed up, but I don’t really do most of my shopping there, either. Plus, it’s a little weird and not a lot easier than just using plastic.

  21. lostsynapse says:

    @hillsrovey: Just get the barcode tattooed onto an adjacent finger.

  22. no.no.notorious says:

    maybe as a way to prevent identity theft, like after swiping your card they then read your fingerprint

    but i don’t like the idea of using a fingerprint to have access to your accounts

  23. ColoradoShark says:

    @hillsrovey: It would be extra fun to have it tattoed on your middle finger so you have to stick out just your middle finger to wave it in front of the scanner.

  24. ARP says:

    My concern is similiar to my SS#- once they steal it, its permanently stolen. With cash, credit card, debit card, checks, etc. There is higher risk of this information being stolen, but I can cancel these things (except cash) and get a new card, account, etc. If they take my fingerprint, I can’t get a new finger (then again- if they can do a face transplant like in “Faceoff”). So, if there’s anything else (for the rest of my life) that requires my fingerprint to access, they have it. So the initial threshold is higher, but the damage is worse- pick your poison.

  25. ghettoimp says:

    Sorry, but the criminals have enough incentives to cut off my fingers as it is.

  26. dantsea says:

    And! And! And! Someone might come down from the sky where they are watching the security cameras and see my fingerprint residue and like totally steal my identity and buy themselves a free weekend in Hawaii where they will have chocolate fudge sundaes on the beach while hijacking iPhone wireless signals! It could happen because I saw it on a TV show once!!

    TECHNOLOGY SCARES ME! :-( :-(

  27. galatae says:

    Two words:

    Flu Pandemic

    Bad enough they never have the cart wipes refilled anymore, now you’re invited to shake hands with a thousand people? No thanks.

  28. alhypo says:

    They have this biometric stuff to verify my identity at the exam center where I take my certification exams. All I can say is that I hope the scanners in the store are a lot easier to use than those at the exam centers.

    @galatae: Yeah, but what are the alternatives? Cash is absolutely filthy. If you use debit you have to punch in your pin number on the filthy keypad. If you use credit you have to sign the receipt using the filthy pen. I guess you could bring your own pen, but you’ll probably end up touching the counter while you sign it.

    Your best bet is to avoid touching your face and wash your hands frequently. I honestly don’t think the biometric will be any worse germ-wise than the other methods of payment.

  29. TWinter says:

    My gym uses a finger reader to get into the gym. The system seems to work just fine, though I find it odd that we have to use the middle finger. I would be happy to use this system at stores I go to frequently.

  30. Flynn says:

    Biometric methods alone don’t provide nearly the security that a card does. First off, it’s too easy to lift someone’s print and make a fake finger.

    [www.theregister.co.uk]

    Second — and I can’t find an article to prove this, but I remember reading it a few years back — one of the downsides is that you wind up leaving a fingerprint ON the scanner. Some clever hackers wound up being able to use just a generic fake finger immediately after the print scanner was used, and it would validate as the last person a significant amount of time.

    Also, considering the lousy security record Jewel has here (the shopper cards used to store your name and SSN on them), I wouldn’t trust them at all.

  31. DocRaf says:

    Pishposh,

    When they combine a fingerprint scanner, a retinal scanner, and voice recognition, maybe then I’ll get outta my seat.

  32. DocRaf says:

    @ghettoimp:

    Spies Like Us flashback:

    Russian Interregator #2: Every minute you don’t tell us why you are here, I cut off a finger.
    Emmett Fitz-Hume: Mine or yours?
    Russian Interregator #2: Yours.
    Emmett Fitz-Hume: Damn!

  33. adamwade says:

    Bah, it wouldn’t bother me at all. It’s just like the Ticket Tag system at Disney World. People get so up in arms about things like this because they are so scared of bio-metrics; when the truth is they share more information about themselves in the average internet session than they would here. They think nothing of handing their credit card to the kid at the fast food place, but suddenly a system like this must be “out to get you”.

    However, I probably wouldn’t bother signing up for it…I always have my debit card with me, and just don’t see much of a time savings between swiping my card and entering my pin and the few seconds less it would take to scan my finger. Plus, I often use different cards (I have two debit cards and several “real” credit cards) so it’s usefulness would be even less to me. However, the bio-metric aspect doesn’t affect my decision at all.

  34. hoo_foot says:

    Am I the only one who still likes to use cash?

  35. bnosach says:

    And the winner is…retailers. Why? Of course it makes it easier to pay for croceries, but such a convenience will prevent you from using coupons and discounts. Yes, that’s what stores want! Great.

  36. endless says:

    why dont they say, use a 3 finger system (that you choose, for example mine might be: right middle, left ring, right thumb, in that order ) on a single finger scanner (scans one finger at a time)

    the choice of fingers would be like a PIN (personal finger identification PFI) and would i think help cancel out the chance of just using your old print left on the scanner, i mean each successive finger would hopefully wipe/smear the old print.

  37. Maulleigh says:

    What’s the point of the pin number then? Sounds like just as big of a pain as a debit card.

  38. aikoto says:

    No, no, and HELL no. Fingerprints are for criminals. The amount of surveillance that companies can do to people would be crazy if we allowed them to keep our fingerprints on file. They already lose our information and credit cards like mad. You’d have to be and idiot to trust them with something as powerful as a fingerprint.

  39. aikoto says:

    Blogged it, then dugg it. People need to understand that they can’t be giving up the crown jewels to random businesses. Next it will be DNA.

  40. VeritasNoir says:

    Someone said that it took “a lot” of effort to reproduce a fingerprint on mythbusters. This isn’t true. One of the most effective ways to get around a fingerprint ID scan is just to copy your fingerprint onto a plain, white piece of paper and hold it up to your own finger. This was one of their most successful methods of duping the scanners.

    In my mind, the idea of having a PIN associated with the scan makes the whole concept worthwhile. I would give it a shot!

  41. robotprom says:

    Piggly Wiggly in South Carolina is doing this now. I noticed the terminal for it next to the CC terminal the time I was home.

  42. DeeJayQueue says:

    Well, given that there’s hardly any attribution, and little data about how this fingerprint system works, I’m just going to speculate off of what Ben wrote.

    First off he says that it doesn’t store the whole fingerprint, just certain data points. So everyone take off your tin foil hats. Nobody’s going to steal your fingerprint and use it at the supermarket, because we don’t know what those data points are. They could have nothing to do with your fingerprint at all. I’ve been reading about new systems that use the veins in your finger as data points instead of the ridges on your skin. That makes it impossible to duplicate.

    Second off, if someone’s going to all the trouble to tail you long enough to pick up your fingerprint, do the work it takes to make a clear enough black and white copy (which is more work than you’d imagine even with the super glue trick), Do you think they’re going to pick the supermarket to steal all your money? No. If you’re concerned about them using a “fake finger” to re-validate you after you go through, just smudge the reader after it accepts you.

  43. cynon says:

    I’m just astonished at how blase’ people are about this stuff. How often do we need to see abuses of these systems in the hands (or fingers) of corporations (and the government — no fly database anyone??) before we learn to STOP GIVING THEM MORE INFORMATION ABOUT OURSELVES!

    Use an ATM card (which is bad enough) or a credit card (Ditto) or (gasp) CASH.

    Every time you give a corp info about yourself, it’s out there forever, continually sold to other companies and propagated throughout tons of databases, and picked off — for your security — by helpful government agencies like DHS.

    And spare me the comments about it already being too late because remember, it can always get WORSE.

  44. Steel_Pelican says:

    This will only lead to more credit card frad. People will feel safer with their cards, and become more careless.

    Identity protection starts with the individual. We can’t rely on technology and retailers to protect us. Learn to be safe with your information and your cards.

  45. 00exmachina says:

    Personally i would never use one and here’s why.
    A finger print as ID / form of payment is kind of a horrible method.

    On the plus side, it’s unique. On the down side it can never be changed.
    If someone steals / duplicates your credit card you can get a new one. If someone uses a finger print that’s tied to a credit card, at least in the systems I’ve seen that counts as the equivalent to an exact match of a signature.

    That being said if the machines they use to accept the finger print payment clean themselves after each use. Then theres no problem.

    If they don’t anyone with the inclination and a small round lump of gelatin could piggy back their purchase on the finger print of one of the last few people that used the machine. The technique was outlined in a few places one of the most detailed was an issue of 2600 that was published a couple of years ago, but I can’t find a link so that statement remains random conjecture.

    but at least for me the convenience isn’t worth it.

  46. ChicagoAndy says:

    I’ll never use one of these. My biggest problem is that once there’s a data breach, (we all know there WILL be one eventually) I have no way of “changing my data points”.

    With a credit card, I can cancel my old card and order a new one. With a debit card I can do the same. I can’t change my finger print. Once that data is compromised, I’m hosed.

    How will these companies react when someone breaks in and steals all this data?

  47. humphrmi says:

    @cynon: I’m with you. I see a lot of comments saying “Well nobody can steal my fingerprint without cutting off my finger” – eh? You’re giving your biometric data to a third party! How about if the theif just breaks into their computer system and steals your “finger”? Oh yeah. They say they don’t store your fingerprint, only “data points”. What the hell does that mean? My fingerprint is made up of data points.

    I’m not giving up any more information about me than I have to. If Jewel is so insecure that I gotta worry about using a credit card there, they can explain it to the Sun-Times.

  48. hustler says:

    Whatever you do, don’t swipe your credit card…its too difficult. Why burn the calories to get out a wallet from your pocket or your fake Louis Vuitton bag, take it out, swipe it, and put it back when someone can reverse engineer something that we don’t even need, to make the most simple tasks more complicated for everyone but the enduser? …so it can break down.

  49. B says:

    I’d be more worried about somebody stealing my checking account information than my fingerprint, and I am certainly not getting a discover card for this. If it works with other credit cards, like one I already have, I’d consider it.

  50. dwarf74 says:

    This was one of the things piloted down here at a Jewel that was quite literally in my back yard.

    I signed up for it, since it was kinda neat – it stored both my Preferred card and my credit card info. So, basically, while I was going on walks, I could shop & pick up a few things without bringing my wallet along.

    It didn’t work so well, though. I dunno, I couldn’t get my finger to scan right most of the time.

    I much preferred the self-scanners they hooked up around the same time. Sadly, that system was pretty buggy, too, so they nuked that as well.

  51. acambras says:

    It makes me think of “Minority Report”:

    “Good afternoon, Mr. Yamamoto… would you like more of those tank tops you bought during your last visit at the Gap?”

  52. jeffj-nj says:

     
     
    Are you kidding me? Groceries with a fingerprint?

    Why limit it?! I’m ready to buy everything with a fingerprint scanner.

  53. Scott says:

    They have this at the Pick ‘n Save where I used to shop back when I lived in the dorms in college in Milwaukee. I hadn’t been there in a few years until a couple weeks ago when I attempted to buy some booze with my finger. I still remembered the code I used but it didn’t take. I think they must deactivate (and hopefully delete) after some period of disuse.

  54. beyond says:

    @Rusted: Not sure I’m comfortable with shooting lasers into my eye every time I want to buy something.

  55. ancientsociety says:

    @cynon: “I’m just astonished at how blase’ people are about this stuff. How often do we need to see abuses of these systems in the hands (or fingers) of corporations (and the government — no fly database anyone??) before we learn to STOP GIVING THEM MORE INFORMATION ABOUT OURSELVES!”

    QFT

  56. overbysara says:

    no way man. like other people said, you can get a new credit card if it’s stolen… can’t get a new finger. I’m not that trusting of their “secure” database.

  57. Thrust says:

    YES I would use Biometric-integrated system, NO I would not use this one. If this were tied into my debit account I would, but I don’t use credit cards for casual purchases. The only two places I tie in my credit card are my cellphone in case of emergencies I may need to add more minutes (and it requires me choosing to add them, no auto top-up), and World of Warcraft was tied in until I canceled.

    Also, be preferred if the service was held by a Bank, not a private company.

  58. camille_javal says:

    @ cynon – isn’t the information on the no-fly list primarily just names? Isn’t that how there have been idiot complications with people, including infants, who merely have names similar to those of terror suspects unable to fly? I find the no-fly list unnerving – the fact that it isn’t clear how you get off of it if you’re one of the people with a similar name, but no terrorist ties, and the fact that it’s pretty much as totally fucking useless as many of the airport security measures at this point – but I don’t think there’s a lot of extra information.

    This isn’t to say I’d use the fingerprint reader, but while I have a number of speculative reasons (e.g., can’t replace a fingerprint if it’s somehow stolen), my main reason is just imagining how disgusting and slimy and covered in human waste those machines would get. I’d throw up once the local news did a “we found fecal matter and ear wax!” expose.

    On the other hand, to the cash-touters – I’m not carrying that much cash in New York. I break out in sweats every time I carry more than $100.

  59. vladthepaler says:

    This is extremely old news. Back when they first started pushing this, I overheard one woman’s reaction: I ain’t givin you my fingerprint, I ain’t a criminal! Personally, I can’t believe people are willing to let some grocery store chain fingerprint them just to save a few seconds at the checkout. It’s both amazing and sad how much people will sacrifice for a smidgen of convenience.

  60. speedwell (propagandist and secular snarkist) says:

    OK, how about a little reality on this? I’m an IT professional who supports a major corporate engineering database, and my primary responsibility is maintaining user accounts and access permissions.

    Rest assured, if it’s created by humans, it can be ****ed up by humans. Servers can go down or become corrupted, hacked, or copied. Data is stored in a numerical code format. Numbers can be changed. Codes can be broken. The code associated with the fingerprint is linked to its “password” in a file somewhere that is accessible to anyone from programmers to help desk technicians.

    What kind of program is being used to encode your fingerprint? Wanna bet it’s an industry standard? Anyone who has your code can potentially hack any system that uses the same encoding method, which will probably be most to all of the systems in use now. They don’t need your fingerprint to do the real, meaningful damage. Why play nickel and dime games at the grocery store when they can use your biometrics to clean out your personal and/or business information?

  61. ulrike007 says:

    Re. The use of biometric info. to get groceries!

    People: Be careful!

    1. This biometric system give out an *incredible* amount of information about you;

    2. Provides almost no additional security against hackers (they can just photocopy fingerprints or hack they system in other ways);

    3. Hands over your most intimate info. to a database;

    Is all your privacy worth saving 5-6 seconds at a grocery checkout line?

  62. TheSeeker says:

    This time is rapidly approaching:

    “He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name”
    Rev 13:16-17

    It wasn’t that long ago that people said things like this could never happen.

  63. LostColony says:

    I used to work for a grocery store about 3 years ago that used this kind of system for a while for check verification. The problem is…well…it didn’t work. My fellow employees and I found in our down time that you could punch in a random number and when you scanned your finger upside down, about half the time you could get verified. Yeah…we stopped using them. Maybe they have gotten better…?

  64. speedwell (propagandist and secular snarkist) says:

    @TheSeeker: oh, please.

  65. Real Aler says:

    @FORMERGR Yes it’s been in Chicago for years, but I hardly ever see anyone use it. Even less popular than self checkout.

    @ULRIKE007 When I have seen it used it’s invariably been slower then a debit card. No time saving at all.

    Of course most people don’t realize you can start the payment process before all the items have been scanned. This includes the checkout staff who stand and wait for you to swipe a card or finger although in fact the register is waiting for their input.

  66. nidolke says:

    For the fatty on the go.

  67. Nemesis_Enforcer says:

    Hmm we use Biometric scanners at work to clock in and out. We use the whole hand though so I am sure its a palm print and not just the fingers. But we also have a PIN we have to enter…half the time it doesent work right and I have to fill out a manual form…no way am I going to use the same f’d up system to buy stuff.

  68. Lulu at How I Save Money says:

    I love high tech stuff so I would definitely be on board to try a scanner instead of credit cards and checks.
    I have not seen this in my area but we don’t have the Farmers stores here.

  69. shch says:

    Guys, my brother is in charge of business development for a prominent biometrics consulting firm in NY. I sent this article over to him and we discussed it, this is what i’ve found out…

    Though I have no idea what type of scanner the grocery stores are using, most modern fingerpring devices process much more than the fingerprint itself; they take into account the depth of the grooves on the finger, some measure pulses or blood vessels locations, they take into account many many factors, so a simple photocopy of a finger will not sneak through. Fingerprint scanners are almost never used without a second form of identification, hence the pin number, so even if someone “stole” your fingerprint you can change your pin and your print becomes useless (not to mention the fact that you have five chances per hand to have your prints compromised.)

    And to all of you scared to adopt this technology, talk to someone who was around when atm/credit cards became popular, you think that was welcomed with open arms? Think again. My brother participates in biometrics conferences all over the world, and guess who else does? That’s right, almost everyone. Microsoft, Apple (gasp), Motorola, Siemens, Lockheed-Martin, just to name a very very small few. Most of these companies actually have a biometrics department. And guess who else? Nearly every industrialized government, with multiple departments attending. All I’m saying is this technology is coming, whether you don’t want it or not. Facial recognition software is being used very discretely in many more airports, governemnt offices, etc. than many people realize.

    And on a side note, no one uses retinal scans like in Minority Report,(a common joke in the biometrics industry apparently) it’s actually an iris scan .

  70. Jeff asks: "WTF could you possibly have been thinking? says:

    My fingerprint and my ticket worked just fine at Disney World. It seemed to be reliable as we entered and exited the various parks seveal times over a few days. Any thing that makes paying for something easier is a good thing to me.

  71. doctor_cos wants you to remain calm says:

    @DocRaf: Let’s cut off his fingers anyway.

    It slays me that people here are posting about not giving out personal information, by posting ON THE INTERNET!
    “It’s cool man, I’m wearing gloves and posting from the library through an alias I saw on an episode of ‘CSI’ and wearing a disguise so they can’t see my face.”

  72. NickRB says:

    I wish they did this everywhere. I’d like to register with my bank and then have it automatically work anywhere I bought something. That would be sweet.

  73. eli_b says:

    Anyone had any trouble with fraud from this yet? Raise your hook hand.

  74. FLConsumer says:

    The resistive type fingerprint readers won’t work on me, to the point that one of my clients just ended up giving me an old-fashioned key card & set of keys.

    Speedwell‘s quite on target. They’re using a 3rd party solution, so the data must go from the store to the 3rd party, presumably through the internet. At the same time, your bank account info must be retained by the 3rd party and also must be relayed to the store. No thanks. I routinely exploit holes in 3rd party software to perform my job. I like it when programmers are lazy and use 3rd party solutions (and those people use 3rd party solutions as well). Makes my job very easy.

    So, you won’t see me using this technology. The FBI has my fingerprints on file for security clearances, and that’s even more than I feel comfortable with.

  75. gtg2007 says:

    Being that I used to work for a biometrics firm, I have some experience with this technology. Most likely, these fingerprint readers use “live-finger” detection. That is, the reader will not recognize anything that isn’t a live finger. The old live-finger detection readers used to just recognize body heat, which could be easily spoofed, but nowadays they are much more high-tech and recognize heat, pulse, etc. I am not worried that someone will chop off my finger (unless they just really liked it) – a dead finger would never work. Plus, I am not sure the cashiers would be okay with anyone pulling a chopped off finger out of their pocket to pay for their milk.
    Also, to the people that are saying “oh, but I can’t ever change my data points!!”. Well, trust me, biometrics firms are not all using the same software and databases. They are trying to make money, not to create a big fingerprint database to share with their competitors. There is no industry-wide algorithm that is employed to convert data points into the binary numbers that will represent your identity. Odds are, each grocery store mentioned is using software from a different firm, and that firm alone would have any information about your data points. Even if someone got a hold of your data points (impossible, by the way) you could just be deleted from the system and re-enrolled. The data points wouldn’t be exactly the same the second time, or you could use a different finger. It actually is a very secure method of identification, especially with the “search number”. Even though it is more secure, it is still just a way for more corporations to make more money. We ought to be used to that by now, though.

  76. speedwell (propagandist and secular snarkist) says:

    Even if someone got a hold of your data points (impossible, by the way)

    Tell us another one, but wait until I stop laughing from this one.

    OK, go.

  77. gtg2007 says:

    Well, nearly impossible. I suppose everything is possible.

  78. synergy says:

    I’m sure it’ll be as secure as the company who owns TJ Maxx.

  79. jeffjohnvol says:

    God, I would love to have that feature. It would make credit cards more secure.