Microsoft Says There Is No Recourse For Gamers Whose Consoles Were Banned

Are you one of the 1 million gamers that was recently banned from XBOX Live? Too bad, says the BBC. You’ll need to buy a new system.

From the BBC:

Microsoft said barring gamers was part of an ongoing drive to curb piracy.
But a statement from them suggests this latest wave was timed to prevent people from playing pirated versions of the widely-anticipated Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.
“We can assure you that if an Xbox Live member follows the Xbox Live terms of use, purchased a retail copy of Modern Warfare 2 and played the game on an unmodified Xbox 360, no action will be taken,” the firm said.
Microsoft said that it had banned a “small percentage” of the 20 million Xbox Live users worldwide.

We’ve heard from at least one reader who says he did not mod his console and got banned anyway. Microsoft says this is impossible:

“We do not reveal specifics, but can say that all consoles have been verified to have violated the terms of use,” the firm said in a statement.
It said that gamers who had been barred were using their modified consoles to “play illegally pirated games”.
“We believe that even one modified console on the system is one too many”.

Do you believe the system for detecting modded boxes is perfect? Or are some innocent people getting banned?

Xbox console ban is ‘permanent’ [BBC] (Thanks, chiieddy!)


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  1. Megalomania says:

    How did you go from “small percentage” of 20,000,000 to a million people getting banned?

  2. zentex says:

    Nothing…is perfect.

    I wonder if dude can send his box to StepTo and Team and prove his ‘innocence’?

  3. NitrousO says:

    I wonder how Meg feels about this. *looks at wording of poll* Ah.

    Seriously though, what modder/hacker/pirate isn’t going to say they did nothing wrong? I mean this as an honest question.

    • delphi_ote says:

      @NitrousO: By that logic, we shouldn’t have trials for criminals. What criminal isn’t going to say they did nothing wrong?

    • Ratty says:

      @NitrousO: On U.S. immigration forms, it asks you if you’re a member of a terrorist organization or the nazi party, and if you’re attempting now or in the future to overthrow the U.S. government.

      I’m guessing the number of yes checks is very, very low.

      • sonneillon says:

        @Ratty: But you get an awesome free trip to Cassa De Guantanamo. Who wouldn’t want a 6 month-3year vacation with all the water sports you can handle.

  4. jdmba says:

    They get false positives for serial numbers on their Windows DRM (“WGA”) all the time. This should not be considered any different.

    • GrenadeTestSubject says:

      @jdmba: It is different. They give false positives on Windows serial keys because that key was generated and used by someone else illicitly, with no fault to the legit owner. This, however, is a simple test of whether the box has been modded, it’s not glitch-sensitive like the Windows DRM is.

    • bohemian says:

      @jdmba: I am assuming their “no modding” security system involves a switch in the case that trips if the case is opened. This has been used in business class PC cases for years.

      Everyone is jumping to the piracy conclusion just like Microsoft wants you to. This is a company banning people from using a product on their service because they had the audacity to do something to a piece of equipment they bought and own.

      • logicalnoise says:

        @bohemian: the ONLY thing a modded 360 can do is play backed up games. Hacked consoles can’t run homebrew code they can’t run linux the only reason a 360 is modded is to play back ups.

      • Decubitus says:

        @bohemian: It really wouldn’t be that hard for Microsoft to have a solid check for modded systems. You have a handful of XBOX 360 DVD drives with official firmwares. Update XBOX Live service so that it can check for official firmware behavior, and if it doesn’t comply, ban the console.

  5. Chumas says:

    Zero tolerance will always punish the innocent among the guilty.

    • Trai_Dep says:

      @Chumas: For the Zero Tolerance folks, even looking guilty is the same as being guilty, since if you were really innocent, wouldn’t you not look guilty?
      (cf. witch-dunking, Spanish Inquisition, et. al)

  6. pmcpa4 says:

    These innocent people could be sometimes just that, innocent, or ignorant. They don’t know they are playing a modded box. They got it pre-owned from game stop, or a great deal on ebay.

    I am willing to bet not one of the “innocently banned” purchased their xbox retail, and never opened the case.

    • dohtem says:

      @pmcpa4: Yup. I remember when I picked up an original xbox to mod from gamestop. I popped open the case and there was a mod chip already soldered in there.

      I had to think of a creative excuse to return the damn thing.

    • Cyberxion101 says:

      @pmcpa4: The thing that sucks about it is that Microsoft basically tells you that you’re up shit creek without a paddle for not buying from an official Microsoft reseller.

      What I wonder is whether or not it’s going to lead unsuspecting users to check and see if their banned consoles can play backups/pirated copies, leading folks who otherwise might not have to pirate out of spite.

      Eh, probably not, but it would be sort of funny.

  7. hobbes84k says:

    I’m certainly not convinced that Microsoft was 100% accurate in their decisions. But I would believe that if they were 100% accurate, we would still hear from people who insist that they were playing on unmodded consoles. I’m satisfied with thinking that if anyone truly believes that they were booted for absolutely no valid reason, then they could easily prove it to a 3rd party observer. I haven’t heard of any such thing happening from the whiners though.

  8. Rick Dobbs says:

    I don’t know how a company who has crippled large amounts of their own corporate customers at times via Windows XP anti-piracy can say that their banning practice on any piece of hardware or console is perfect.

    It clearly shows that they’re going to take the late 90’s AOL approach: We’d rather have 20 million customers and it’s fine if they’re unhappy rather than have 10 million happy customers.

    If they’re going to ban a piece of $300 equipment from their network they need to give people the exact reason it was banned as well as have a review process for re-instatement. Otherwise, they’re basically just telling customers to fuck off and go elsewhere.

    I guarantee that those people who are banned from XBL and believe that they’re innocent won’t be buying another XBox, ever.

    • G.O.B.: Come on! says:

      @Rick Dobbs: “If they’re going to ban a piece of $300 equipment from their network they need to give people the exact reason it was banned as well as have a review process for re-instatement. Otherwise, they’re basically just telling customers to fuck off and go elsewhere.”

      You must be new to EULAs. I’m sure the EULA for Xvox Live says they can do as they please without having to tell you shit as to why.

  9. Loias supports harsher punishments against corporations says:

    Not being an owner of an Xbox myself, can modded consoles ever be un-modded? It seems like Microsoft should come up with some sort of way to de-mod consoles so they can be used again on Xbox Live. Some may say “who cares?” to those who modded and now regret it, but now they can’t even sell their Xbox to someone else to use without unscrupulosely screwing over that new buyer.

    • semanticantics says:

      @Loias: Accounts get flagged weeks if not months before a ban. They don’t appear to ban week to week, it’s generally been a yearly big ass round up, last year was Halo 3, this year is Modern Warfare 2.

    • MinorAnnoyance says:

      @Loias: Well, since they chose to mod in the first place I doubt that excess scruples are much of a problem for them.

  10. nakkypoo says:

    Obviously nothing is perfect and Microsoft has a vested interest in keeping modified consoles (and pirated games) off the Live! platform.

    However, unilateral draconian decisions with no review process seems very Apple-like. I hope it’s not catching.

    • teke367 says:

      @nakkypoo: This is my concern. I have no problem with them banning modders, heck, they aren’t bricking the system, just preventing them to access a feature.

      But I can’t see how its legal to provide no recourse in the event of a mistake. I’m sure they aren’t refunding the prorated time left on the Live accounts. So if you buy a year of Gold membership, then get banned a week later, you’re basically out $50.

  11. lpranal says:

    Translation: Sorry, innocent peeps. You’re Cannon Fodder in the war against piracy. You lose. You get Nothing. Good Day sir.

    • ktjamm says:

      @lpranal: the war on piracy is a “straw man” attack. The goal is not to curb piracy, but to control access to their product. The banned users are cannon fodder for Microsoft’s increased revenue.

  12. ChemicallyInert says:


    The gamers affected should suesuesue. I’m damn near 100% certain that they cannot be deprived of their property without due process- even if it is a private entity.

    Meanwhile- XBox users should avoid COD:MF2 until this is resolved.

    • GrenadeTestSubject says:


      They are not depriving anyone of their property. They are denying a service to people who have not abided (according to MS) by the TOS. They have every right to cut people off – one of the big reasons I’m a PC gamer. =)

      • diasdiem says:

        @GrenadeTestSubject: They don’t have the right to cut of people who aren’t violating the terms of service though. If people with unmodded XBoxes are genuinely getting banned, something should be done.

      • Dave M says:


        The problem is that they are selling the hardware with the understanding that you will be allowed to subscribe to XBox Live if you follow the TOS. Then they are saying

        “Hey You – You broke a rule, but we’re not going to specifically tell you what rule you broke, we’re not going to refund your money for your Xbox Live subscription, and now you can’t use the $300 hardware the way we promised you could.”

        That is a perfect reason for someone to file a lawsuit against Microsoft for breaking their contract. If Microsoft then proves the person really did violate the TOS, they don’t have anything to worry about.

        It’s the “We’re kicking you out, keeping your money, and *not telling you why*” that’s the problem.

    • mythago says:

      @ChemicallyInert: YANAL. And you’re thinking of the government. All you can get Microsoft on is not giving you a service you paid for.

    • Arbron says:

      @ChemicallyInert: 1). They are not coming and taking the XBox away, just banning you from their network@diasdiem: they actually have every right to ban people who aren’t violating the terms of service. In the ToS it says the can ban you for any or no reason.

    • Scazza says:

      @ChemicallyInert: Sue for what? The person bought a peice of hardware that can play games. Banned users can still play those games, just not online. Microsoft has cut off the connection between the user and their online service.

      You break the rules that MS uses to govern its online service, it will cut you off. Even if YOU personally didn’t but you own a modded xbox (even through no fault of your own), you will be banned, and rightly so. Otherwise you will get 1000s of people who DO have modded consoles calling in and getting their console unblocked.

      • saigumi says:

        @Scazza: Cutting you off from the service is one thing, and I can understand it.

        However, MS is also locking your saves to the console, making them unusable, as well as breaking the functionality to be able to install games to the system.

        To me, that is a step over the line.

        • Dyscord says:

          @saigumi: How are they unusable? Because you can’t take them to other consoles?

          As for installing games, I don’t think too many people care. The speed gained by installing to the HD is rather minuscule.

  13. james says:

    Release of software via bittorrent to modify/spoof a new MAC address and other “hardware ID” for a banned X-Box in 5… 4… 3… 2…

    • roothorick says:

      @james: The 360 CPU has (apparently) bulletproof on-chip binary authentication, which means that we can’t run anything not explicitly approved by Microsoft on that CPU. Worse, the XBL console ID is buried in that encryption, making direct flashing impossible unless we find a way to somehow extract the private key from the CPU (which honestly, if it was possible, someone would’ve figured it out already). So basically, not gonna happen.

      • Erwos says:

        @roothorick: IIRC, they _have_ extracted the private keys, but it requires a rather in-depth timing attack. By the time you’ve done that, you’ve already violated their TOS anyways, so you’re pretty much back to where you started.

        It amuses me when people think that you can just snap your fingers and break the security on a well-designed device.

  14. ktjamm says:

    Yes, since Microsoft has a history of perfection and *not* getting any false positives *cough*Windows Genuine Advantage*cough* I’m sure there are absolutely no innocent people who got banned at all.

    Come on people, I’ve been a Microsoft systems admin for Waaaaaaay to long to buy any of their bull. This is 100% likely to motivated by increasing profit margins then Microsoft caring about modded consoles.

  15. NICU says:

    Are you implying that Microsoft software might have bugs in it? I mean that is a ridiculous claim! Microsoft has a long storied history of never having any bugs in any software they’ve ever written. I can’t believe you people…

  16. celtlion says:

    One of the problems with live gameplay on the PC has been hacked copies of the games and cheats.

    This is already being seen with the PC version of MW2 and a lot of people are already upset about it.

    Allow hacked copies on consoles and the same problem will start happening there which will dilute the value of the platform.

    Call me naive, but as a software developer for over 25 years I believe Microsoft on this one.

    It wouldn’t be hard to prove Microsoft wrong if someone found themselves unjustly locked out with no modifications and a legal copy of the game…wonder why that hasn’t happened yet? We shall see I guess..

  17. Smashville says:

    Do the math:
    17 million Live subscribers
    1 million banned for modded XBOXes.

    I have a hard time believing that 1 in 17 XBOXes are modded.

  18. skwish says:

    There is a very very small possibility of a false positive in this case.

    Windows gives false positives all the time but there are around a bajillion different hardware, software and driver combinations on your run of the mill PC all of which can mess with the software.

    With the xbox there is only ONE hardware configuration. ONLY ONE SET of active Firmware/OS. and the ONLY way that changes is if someone messed around. basically all they have to do is ping the box. and if one of 3 things does not come back poof its a modded box and its banned.

    now there are SEVERAL reasons that its idiotic to purchase a used xbox.

    1. you dont know if the other guy has modded the hell out of it
    2. the warrenty is NON TRANSFERABLE so if the box RROD’s then your boned.
    3. it could already be banned in which case you might as well have got the money in rolls of coins and thrown it into a lake. At least that would give you some fun for a little while.

    Remember folks just because you get a low bid on something does not mean its the best bid.

    • guspaz says:


      Really? Only one set of hardware and one firmware/OS?

      Well, if you’re on XBL, sure. But the console itself has dozens of different OS revisions (from launch years ago to the newest NXE today), and a whole bunch of different hardware revisions. The hardware inside the XBox has changed substantially since launch (die shrinks, component consolidation, even different brands of DVD drive). They are also expected shortly to release a model with both the CPU/GPU on a single die.

      They’ve banned 5% of their customers. FIVE PERCENT. Whatever they might claim, banning 5% of your customers is not a “small percentage”, it’s “a significant portion of your customer base representing $50 million dollars per year in revenue!

  19. Rylar says:

    With no transparency Microsoft can ban anyone they choose for any reason or no reason at all. They can ban you for being black, they can ban you for being gay, they can ban you for being a Muslim.

    We will just have to trust the corporate giant to be open and fair just like their track record over the past 20 years has proven them to be…

    Wait, didn’t Microsoft pirate Windows from Xerox?

    • admiral_stabbin says:

      @Rylar: Apple was the one that “borrowed” some concepts from Xerox to release Macintosh. Microsoft was busy ripping off the creator of CP/M.

  20. henrygates says:

    Is there any DRM that actually works right? Honest consumers encounter increasing levels of frustration using their products, and the real pirates just bypass it all anyway.

  21. bigd7387 says:

    The software MS uses looks for any modification to memory, hard drive, ram usage, dvd drive configuration with different firmware, or any type of system firmware changes. Sorry but the program looks for this and like MS said if you are using a retail copy of the game with a non modded console then no problem. The person complaining about the ban may have bought a modded 360 not knowing it, like used from a game store or pawn shop. The are countless stories of people with banned 360s that have been traded to game stores and no one knowing until someone goes online with it to find out that it has a banned console number. I’ve never had a problem like this because I don’t buy used consoles nor do I pirate the games for them.

  22. Outrun1986 says:

    Could this possibly have to do with those who bought the copies of Call of Duty that were available at those gamestop’s that were selling them early, before activision gave permission to? Perhaps these people started to play before midnight (release date for the game) and their system got flagged because microsoft thought they had a pirated copy, which is why they were playing early.

    Perhaps the system was set to flag anyone who started playing the game before midnight.

  23. WeAre138 says:

    Just bought mw2. Can’t wait to get home to play. However I have a feeling I’ll be on of the false positives and get banned as soon as I put my retail disk in. I have the worst luck with xbox live.

  24. katsuyakaiba says:

    There IS innocent people being affected. Just recently Consumerist pointed out a X-Box forum post where somebody was banned for their modded X-Box.

    What was modded? Somebody replaced Microsoft’s crappy fan with a better one. And the moderator’s reply is “Oh well, you deserve the ban for not sending it to us and waiting 3 weeks.”

  25. Eticus says:

    They only punish the innocent. Pretty sure you can spoof your modified system.

  26. zigziggityzoo says:

    One word: Lawsuit. Class-action style.

  27. Paladin_11 says:

    Because of this, think twice before buying any discount XBOXes on Ebay, Craigslist, etc…

  28. tailstoo says:

    Great reason not to support Microsoft. They shot first and ask questions later. Remember the Windows activation server that crashed and locked many out of their legitimate copies of Windows?

  29. golddog says:

    Funny thing is, if you do the rip right, you don’t need to mod the console at all to use pirated media. I don’t have an xbox…do you need a serial # to play online?

  30. roothorick says:

    Considering the sheer amount of misinformation in this thread I feel a need to tell what’s known about the 360.

    First of all: Homebrew (and let’s be honest, thus piracy) on the 360 is made essentially impossible by the CPU having integrated Just-in-Time (JiT) binary decryption and authentication. That means that everything entering the CPU must be cryptographically signed by Microsoft using a key that’s only stored behind Microsoft’s sealed doors. If unsigned data or a bad signature shows up, the processor rejects it outright and the console grinds to a halt. So how does piracy work?

    Current 360 piracy consists ripping encrypted data off legitimate discs and distributing it as-is, to be burned still-encrypted to DVD-Rs. Then modifications are made to the target console’s DVD-ROM to convince the motherboard that the disc is real. The CPU then faithfully JiT-decrypts the data as it would while running a real game.

    These drive modifications come in two flavors: One, flashing firmware onto the DVD-ROM to make it claim burned games are official copies, and two, modchips that install on the drive itself, changing values in the firmware that make it run the disk as real. Either method, if done well, is undetectable — a rogue firmware can “feign” a flashing, returning a valid firmware and silently ignoring the new firmware, and a modchip can shut itself off when probes go out. Of course, not all methods were done correctly, especially early attempts that some pirates likely left in place, and I have no doubt MS already has probes in place to detect and block those early attempts. But the new devices and firmwares are completely undetectable. This leaves MS with fuzzy heuristics such as looking for people who ran games pre-release-date. Sound infallible? Consider: if the console wasn’t connected to XBL at the time the game was run, they only have the console’s RTC to go by, which like any network-isolated clock, can very easily be *wrong*, and if the console’s RTC battery is weak or dead, it almost certainly is.

  31. nelsonj1998 says:

    Does having a banned console only stop you from playing games online against other users? Can you still play the games that you own offline? Does it stop you from downloading updates to the firmware, and are updates sometimes required to play new games that you purchase?

    If the only consequence is that I wouldn’t be able to play online then I don’t know if I’d care so much.

    • Das Kommunist says:

      @nelsonj1998: In general, banning a console with prevent you from accessing XBL.

      It will not prevent you from playing games offline. You just will not be able to connect to the XBL service at all for any reason. As for Games on Demand games that are purchased through XBL, I’m not too sure.

      Overall, I think it’s a great thing. People are complaining and defending those who pirate media, use Microsoft’s services to play said pirated media online and getting punished for doing exactly what they shouldn’t have been doing in the first place.

  32. jarhead906 says:

    I’m assuming that simply modifying your 360 to use any HDD you want is considered to be against MS’s policies.

    Gotta love standardized accessories.

  33. SarahKH says:

    I find it fascinating how twisted some of the console people can get. For example yesterdays article about a guy having two consoles banned someone in the comments linked to an article about a guy being banned; yet had an upgraded fan. Note, it wasn’t the same guy.

    The 360 has no case intrusion mechanism beyond a sticker. Microsoft don’t know you’ve opened it from afar. So a new uprated fan(s) being in there they can’t tell unless they look at one thing and one thing only.

    Well, there you go. Amongst other things they’re looking at current draw. Awesome so a machine built to the minimum of quality, using the cheapest of components to make a price point… is having its VRM remote monitored as part of anti-piracy.

    Yeah. I can see that being acurate. One dodgy component in the internal power system and as it drifts further from the MS allowed norms your banned from online play. And yes, excess heat (or cold) can shift such figures around.

    @Rylar: Yes, Microsoft did heavily borrow from Xerox Parc. Although they were picking over the left overs after Apple got their first. But itt’s also fair to say that Win3 and 3.1 owe a lot to System 6 and 7.

    If Microsoft won’t reveal their methods and they won’t review bannings in case of false positives and we’re told that despite proof it’s not the hardware is 100% in all respects, then really, using a 360 online will eventually at some point result in a ban.

    AFIC you Americans would decide that’s time for a good traditional sueing… apparently not.

  34. Adhominem says:

    I don’t know if anybody said this yet but it’s pretty easy to see if someone is using a modded console.

    Modern Warfare 2 was released 11/10. Some stores broke street date and sold as early as 11/5.

    MS can do a query over XBL to see which consoles have generated Modern Warfare 2 related data(saves etc) prior to 11/1/2009. If you were playing the game prior to that date, it’s pretty safe to say that your console was modded.

  35. Southern says:

    I was actually thinking about purchasing a 360 strictly to stream Netflix, but now that Netflix has PS3 compatibility I don’t need one.. Still, I’m curious – would using a banned/modded 360 prevent one from watching NetFlix movies?

  36. redkamel says:

    ….its as if a millions Xbox accounts cried out in anguish, then were suddenly silenced.

  37. mjlagger says:

    Missing answer from poll:

    “People who pay money to Microsoft, or purchase Microsoft products, deserve whatever Microsoft gives them. People considering whether to purchase Microsoft products would do well to remember this”

  38. Michael Kohne says:

    That Microsoft, of all companies, should say that a piece of software (whatever they use to detect mods) can’t be wrong is laughable. I’d have to suggest that those banned with un-modded xboxes need to start some actions in small claims court for the money they’ve spent on live items they can no longer access. A couple thousand small claims to defend against and M$ might start to listen.

  39. DonHefe says:

    I am going to take microsoft’s side on this. They are not breaking consoles, they are just banning them from live. I don’t want all types of cheaters messing with games. I want live to work well without hackers. If you mod your xbox, play your pirated games offline.

  40. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot says:

    Now here will come the glut of unusable consoles on eBay, Craigslist, etc by these gamers hoping to unload their modded boxes to the unsuspecting public and recoup a little $ so they can buy a new one. Just in time for Christmas.

  41. whytcolr says:

    Wouldn’t it be extremely easy to flawlessly detect a modded console? Since only a modded console will run un-signed code, couldn’t Microsoft just create an unsigned script that, if run successfully, creates a variable “modded=yes.” Then the update checks to see if the variable exists. If it does, then — well, you’ve got a modded console.

    Is there any way that this could create a false positive?

    • wsupfoo says:


      There’s lots of ways to do it with 100% accuracy. If someone got banned, I highly doubt it wasn’t for good cause. The only people I have sympathy for are the ones who bought it used, but that is the fault of the seller of the used product, not M$.

      I haven’t used my xbox in a year or so, but I seem to recall a big, easy to see message that said “you will be banned from xbox live if you use modified software or hardware” or something to that effect. I specifically remember it because almost everyone I know who has an xbox modded it.

  42. Transient says:

    I know a good number of gamers that have modded boxes that haven’t been banned. Only one of the players denies pirating games, the others brag about it. Previously, Xbox Live user accounts were banned. Folks turned around, got new accounts, and kept it all up as a big joke. That behavior and the sense of entitlement craps all over the industry. Turnabout is fair play.

    On the flip side, it would suck to unknowingly have a modded console. Such as an eBay or GameStop special. I feel for those folks. It’s a tough call to make, but it needs to be made.

  43. ModernTenshi04 says:

    My only concern would be for retailers who deal in used systems. With 1 million (and possibly 2 million from another article I saw earlier today) systems now rendered useless for Xbox Live gaming, there could be a spike in trade-ins, and thus a spike in consumers buying systems they can’t fully utilize, but had no idea they couldn’t before buying them.

    I’d think technically the stores would be obligated to replace the system or refund it (most places have a 30 day used hardware warranty), but this could be a major headache for used system retailers.

  44. trujunglist says:

    you guys are completely missing the point about whether or not MS makes mistakes with the actual banning process. MS is probably not banning unmodded consoles, because of how they check for the mods. however, the fact of the matter remains that MS has sent out modded RRODs refurbed. so, they’re basically completely full of shit when it comes to suggesting that no innocent people will be banned and that there is no recourse. fuck MS, take them to small claims and see what the judge has to say about it.

  45. Yhe says:

    Thus is the downside to consoles. You have to play under their terms of service, which means they can do stuff like this. Even if you modded for other reasons (I don’t know what other reasons, but I’ve seen claims on other sites with this story about those modding but not pirating), you’re toast for online gaming with it.

    Had someone pirated with a home computer on PC versions of these games.. no such problem, likely.

    What concerns me more, and why I don’t buy these primarily-online games, is that they depend on the existence of the Xbox-Live system.. if 10 years ago they go away (like, say, MSN Gaming Zone did..) then that game you bought has effectively expired. Might as well have rented the right to play the game for a limited time, than buying a licensed copy indefinitely.

  46. badr says:

    I have a first generation console that has never been modified. The other day i turn it on and I discover it has been banned. For me the holidays are ruined… My wife and I used our console to watch netflix and play a sporadic game here and there. Now we can’t do it.

    Well here is what I am going to do. Microsoft wants to think I had a modified console, well I am going to go ahead and modify my banned console, I don’t want microsoft to go ahead and think they did mine without any good results and buy myself a new Arcade version when time and money permits so we can still enjoy watching our movies over netflix.

  47. james says:

    As I predicted here:

    There is now a process to “unban” one’s banned X-Box.


    Just in case the posting is DCMAed into the bit bucket, here is the process, verbatim:


    What is needed:

    Your 8955 live console + cpu key
    A 2nd unbanned console
    nandpro b + flash cable
    xell loader
    1888 fs
    robinsod’s flashtool

    Apparently the full process of this fix is as follows;

    Use nandpro and dump nand from unbanned console.
    flash xell and use jtag hack to obtain cpu key.
    use flashtool to extract file system.

    dump nand from 8955 console.
    use flashtool to patch nand dump with kv.bin from unbanned console.
    save patched file (patched_kv.bin).

    open degraded + 1888 fs.
    create 1888 downgrader image (downgrader.bin) from your patched_kv.bin file.

    flash downgrader.bin to 8955 console.
    attach hdd + ethernet cable and boot console.

    connect to live and update to 8955 dashboard.

    console is now fully working and unbanned!


    Don’t ask me what any of it means, the last video game machine I owned was an Atari 2600. Wow, am I oooold!

    • Southern says:


      That was pretty much goobledygook to me, James, but I can see a side industry on Craigslist popping up offering to unban banned consoles.

      This looks like it might unban the console at the cost of copying the UNBANNED consoles CPU key though, so if the box gets banned AGAIN (and since it’s modded, it probably will), that probably means that BOTH boxes would be banned..

      But I dunno, that’s just what it looks like to me.

  48. smiling1809 says:

    Again, it’s a ploy to get people to buy a new X-Box so they can use their account. It is their word against the consumer’s.