marelli

One guy has his luggage stolen off the check-in scale by someone who either was or was pretending to be a spirit employee and the check in agent could do nothing for him.

I lost a considerable amount of money due to this horror show of a airline and I intend to strike back. The callous attitude of this dickhead CEO permeates the Spirit organization. No one in the organization seems to care, nor does anyone have the authority to do anything to help (or they simply won't).

Others apparently feel the same way and a law firm in Florida has taken up the cause.

I will be joining a class action lawsuit (see link below). I hope others join too.

[fortlauderdale.craigslist.org]

Manufacturers are not allowed to sell defective products and defective service should be treated the same. Even the deepest discount diner will refund your meal if your soup has a roach in it.

These corporate criminals should rot.

sleeper555

bstern1213

Almostallknowing

ashabot

Observer2121

I don't get this mentality, you act like a consumer is receiving nothing in return, never takes advantage of a sale or the best price, and is at the mercy of the big bad business.

Why is it the minute a business turns a profit they are the bad guy? Let's call it the "indie rock" effect. The minute a band makes money or signs a deal, they no longer have cred, and their music is crap. Similarly you, (the self righteous consumer) will continue to tout your loyalty to the mom and pop, low margin, poorly run, small time business simply to "show them."

Try not to choke on your overpriced organic meal, as you cry foul at your bank balance, reminiscing at the "great customer service" you received as you were bent over.

I'll wave to you from the top floor.

bedofnails

You say this like it's a bad thing. Companies sell you stuff because it makes them money, not because it gives them warm fuzzies. The employees of Ford couldn't care less whether you drive one, they just want your $. If you send Verizon Wireless a $50 check every month, they're more than happy for you to be an AT&T customer.

By the same token, I don't use Verizon because I find them neat and want them to be my friend, I use them because they have the right offering (price, service, etc.) for me.

JustAGuy2

@Scarfish: Someday, everyone will realize that corporate America only views American consumers as a money source. We're not their friends, or their kids, or even their "valued customers." We're just people who can increase their profits by buying their product, one way or another.

Even when they are "trying to keep us as a customer," it's not because they give a crap about us as people. They just don't want to see their profits drop. Buy local and if you can't buy local, find a way to buy wholesale.

lincolnparadox

I agree with the CEO, they don't owe them anything, including an apology!

Eric

Little Miss Moneybags

If you go to a store and see a TV on sale marked half off and you buy it you damn well expect it to work dont you? This is the same principle.

Yeah and when you find it doesn't work and you take it back to the store and they offer you $200 store credit instead of the $75 you paid, maybe you should take it. But should you have audacity to turn down the store credit and demand $350 in cash(that's 4.5x what you paid, btw) - $75 for the TV, $25 for gas, $100 for Wrestlemania on PPV, $50 for snacks and another $100 for the kegs - you can expect the CEO of that store to also "accidentally" CC you when he directs his underling to off you a bag of phalluses.

A lot of people are also reading too much into the CEO's message. He didn't criticize him. He didn't call him a douche. He called his bet. Alex said A) give me lots of money or B) I'll tell everyone how awful Spirit is and Ben pretty much said to Pasquale "OK, we'll take option B, please."

It's certainly not the touchy-feely tone he would use with a customer, but there is also nothing inappropriate about it for inter-office communications.

Troy F.

ReverseCarpetbagging

JustAGuy2

shades_of_blue

mikelotus

mikelotus

ddhj

Ola

the too-much-time-on-his-hands-got-beat-up-t... customer should battle the nerd-gamer-techno-doh CEO in a limp-wristed slap-fight.

stevekal

There is such a thing as professionalism when it comes to EVEN emailing your underlings in your company. You dont bash customers. You dont show contempt for a complaining customer to even your fellow employees.... especially in the workplace. Complaints should be handled professionally. If you want to complain about customers.... do it when you are off the clock & out of the workplace (perhaps when you are knocking back a few beers at the local bar with a fellow employee). IMO the CEO of this company deserves any negative consequences for his actions (not his email mistake, but more for his utter contempt for his customers).

nctrnlboy

"You can't make me do anything you Old White Prick!"

Uriel

Melov

dantsea

ckilgore

[www.michaelbuble.com]

bedofnails

Both of them.

SOhp101

The real injustice here is that someone charged them $100 a person for concert tickets. And I think that's something we can all agree on.

Employees Must Wash Hands

Shouting match aside, I am not defending the CEO's idiocy in mashing that "reply all" button - but I am approaching the conversation with a clear frame of reference, and appropriate level of acumen.

Bottom line, Spirit offered the customer $200 worth of vouchers for $74 worth of airfare (more than the toilet plane passenger received) and this still didn't dissuade the flier from her ridiculous rants and whines.

I guess in the future I will start scheduling my arrival times within 1 or 2 hours of my intended destination events; on the basis that if there are any unforeseen circumstances in my air travel itinerary (which would be shocking, and unanticipated) I can send numerous emails, and waste countless hours of the air carriers time hunting for full refund of everything from my breakfast to my flight - hoping that a higher up has had one too many "gym teacher" coffees and hits the wrong button in his email program - thus ensuring I am 100% correct in my entire claim and allegation against said company.

At the end of the day, I have a proposition for the customer (Christi) I'll Paypal you the full amount in reimbursements under the following conditions:

1. They admit that they are a whining, repetitive, baseless, waste of time.

2. I can slap you, take of picture of it, and post it here.

bedofnails

I think the damning line is: "Let him tell the world how bad we are." And, pursuant to Mr. Baldanza's wish, the customer has done so. In that line, doesn't Mr. Baldanza concede that, indeed, Spirit Air is bad?

BrockBrockman

Are you kidding? Just because the customer recieved it by accident it doesnt mean that the CEO didnt feel that way and didnt intend for his staff to handle it in the manner he laid out. Again, the fish stinks from the head down. Did the CEO say to his staff "man that must have been disappointing for our flyers - to miss the whole concert because they arrived almost 3 hours late. Let's see if we can work this out?"? No, he essentially didnt even have the balls to tell the customer to go F themselves...he told one of his staffers to do it.

And as for the customer's "scheduling incompetence", are you kidding? If the airline got them there when they were supposed to then none of this would have happened. You must be joking! Did you actually read the email? The plane was scheduled to land at 6:15, the customer built in an hour and a half buffer, and the plane arrived and deplaned nearly 3 hours late.

On top of that if the staff provided adequate or appropriate customer service my guess is this never would have happened. This would have been talked out and never ended up on this board.

BEDOFNAILS: May your all of your complaints be answered in the same manner the the CEO of spirit airlines answered someone who had the right to be upset.

consumerist11211

Crazytree

cabedrgn

Not only does this mirror the general customer service attitude but I know a former Spirit pilot who use to bitch about this company constantly and while this issue (on the customer's side) was a little overblown, the response from the CEO pretty much validated a lot of peoples belief of the company.

So what happens now? It seems, for one, that a lot of people who already had issues with this company but brushed it off and kept flying with them will no longer be customers. They will end up loosing customers over this, despite the original issue. There will be some that say they won't fly but do, but there also seems to be quite a few that would normally fly but now won't. The CEO did much more reputation damage to his company than the customer could have ever done.

What can they do? Bite the bullet. Apologize for the comment (even make up a drunken rage story) and make it at least even with the customer. The longer the issue is ignored by the CEO the more the story spreads. The quicker its resolved the quicker it will be forgotten.

That and remember to ALWAYS check your TO and CC fields when bitching about a customer.

cabedrgn

I believe it is you who may be missing the point.

The email was obviously sent by accident, you keep reiterating "this is how the CEO thinks he should treat customers", and that point is blatantly incorrect. Although however blunt, and without cutesy semantics, the point remains the same - the customer is wrong, is owed nothing for his scheduling incompetence.

Uproar is rightfully due,for he and others heard this from the horses mouth rather than some CSR or assistant; but it does not change the factual events, nor results.

The customer was a moron, looked for a handout, and got slapped in the face directly from a CEO - welcome to the real world.

bedofnails

You don't keep customers by making them feel unwanted.

On the flipside, there's no business sense in keeping customers who generate high costs and little revenue. That is, the kind of customer who flies on a deep discount ticket and sends them a bill for $375 because he didn't think to put enough slack in his schedule. Of course, there are more subtle ways of nudging an unprofitable customer to go away than what happened here.

The letter says they paid $74 roundtrip, inclusive of taxes (and presumably airport security/landing surcharges, too). That means that the airline probably got maybe $50 to go towards actually transporting two people and presumably some kind of profit margin (ha ha, I kid).

So once this gets to the CEO, why should he care about this guy? He likely made the company no money on the flight, and he costs them even more when he starts calling in and sends an itemized bill for five times what he paid for the ticket. And clearly they're at an impasse when he feels a voucher worth $200 was not sufficient for his $75 flight arriving late.

The CEO is not incorrect in what he said, although he might be a clown for hitting "reply all." If you read between the lines you can discern that this guy will probably go to whatever airline saves him five cents on a roundtrip ticket, no matter what Spirit does for him in this particular instance.

Employees Must Wash Hands

Oh and I think I have flown SPIRIT twice now...but can assure you that mistake will never happen again!

consumerist11211

Based on the CEOs quippy remark apparently they are not worried about keeping ANYONE at customers.

Look, all of you people who keep saying they only paid $74 for their tickets, you are missing the point. If you go to a store and see a TV on sale marked half off and you buy it you damn well expect it to work dont you? This is the same principle. The airline not getting this couple to their destination on time caused them to miss the entire reason they went to their destination. They have the right to be unhappy, but more importantly they are customers of this airline and deserve to be treated appropriately. Not like cattle. They deserve to be treated well, and if from start to finish every customer service rep they encountered was rude then they have the right to be upset.

Oh and my apologies for my uber quick typing re: lack of spirit airlines.

Ahhhhhhhh....hahahahahahaha, what an idiot.

consumerist11211

So, how many times have you flown this airline? Apparently not enough to know that it's Spirit, not Sprint. I'm sure they aren't worried about "keeping" you as a customer, either.

not_seth_brundle

Reading James's e-mail, it's no wonder Spirit isn't concerned about keeping him as a customer. Among other things, he notes how long he spent on hold down to the second and makes clear that he asked every CSR for his or her ID number and surname. There is a point where you no longer look like a savvy customer and start looking like a major PITA. This guy crossed into PITA territory.

Sure, the CEO shouldn't have hit "reply all," but if that's the worst that Spirit executives are saying about their customers behind their backs, I think they're doing better than most companies.

not_seth_brundle

And Bedofnails, you are completely missing the point. It doesnt matter if you are flying for free on miles, $74, or $7400...you are a customer, you pay to hop a flight from somewhere to somewhere and expect to get in reasonably close to when the airline says you will. Look, I am unsure why the flight was delayed but there is zero excuse for such poor customer service.

There's an old saying, the fish stinks from the head down, when a CEO thinks that is the way to treat it's customers, even if that message was supposed to remain internal, no wonder the rest of the airline is also responsible for poor customer service.

Ah, CEO of Sprint airlines...If you are reading this may I say not only did you lose a few customers but it appears yo got your just desserts. Bon Appetit.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....sigh....HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA....ahhh.

consumerist11211

Mind you, the customer paid $74 for TWO, round-trip tickets including taxes.

bedofnails

But these are promotional fares, and the customer in question took advantage of such an offering. (Spirit flies empty planes during the Hurricane season and offers absurdly low rates to subsidize at least some of the costs.)

The suit is correct, in that the customer probably would not have even ventured to their destination or planned said trip if it weren't for such a low price offering. He is not worried about loosing that business, and nor would I.

bedofnails

Moreover, the counter point to this is the exact reason so many executive customer service teams, reps, etc, are so intolerable - the pathetic sugar laden, semantically driven responses. Even fluff for a porno.

In the end, what does it matter if the response is bubbling with butterfly's and chocolate chip kisses or like the above; if the result is the same?

The customer was a wiener, crying foul over a $74 R/T; if he was ultimately in the right, this is what charge backs, and c/c merchant agreements are for.

bedofnails

It's this guy's attitude to a valid complaint. You don't keep customers by making them feel unwanted.

Buran

yellojkt

Kwummy

SybilDisobedience

nidolke

Those people that would prefer to place money over service can then plan for disruptions in their travel plans. And no, this is not a suggestion that the other carriers are any better. But people that plan for delays or other snafus that do tend to occur, not only with travel, but normal daily activities, are better prepared.

Sudonum

beyond

darkjedi26

Dibbler

I loved the chinatown bus driver. He looked like Jules from Pulp Fiction met James Brown. Had to be 70, to boot. He would leave people at the Dover House if they were late.

Elvisisdead

For me, the surprising thing has been how many people have grown to expect getting screwed by airlines. It's like we as consumers just expect the hassle and the delays. Google "The best of Flights, The worst of Flights" by Daniel Gross. Great summary.

alexrudloff

NoWin

fred_765

overbysara

bnosach

Little Miss Moneybags

The poster didn't do everything right. 1.5 hours leeway when flying is schedule suicide.

And the email that should have stayed within the office seems typical, if maybe a bit arrogant.

At least he didn't say, "Go tell them to take a flying fa"

Update: New email from Ben to Pasquale:
"Pasquale, hold off on that response. I'll let the world know how bad we are myself."

Murph1908

ben.baldanza@spiritair.com Ben Baldanza President/CEO
martin.harrison@spiritair.com Martin Harrison COO
tony.lefebvre@spiritair.com Tony Lefebvre Senior VP of Customer "NO" Service
john.prestifilippo@spiritair.com John Prestfilippo Senior VP of Technical Operations

tvh2k

Without reading the original email the customer wrote (which I'm having trouble finding through the nested series of links here), I can't seem to come out either way on the issue. bhall03 seems to think it's the customer's dumb fault here, and I'm somewhat inclined to side with him/her.

I will however say this, and direct it especially toward the guy on Stuck On The Palmetto who hates Spirit: saying "you get what you pay for" IS NOT A REASON TO GET RIGHTEOUSLY ANGRY. It is a reason to accept that something sucks, then move on. Anything beyond that is a personal vendetta.

You hate Spirit, I get it. But it's cheap, it suits my needs, and generally every airline in this country is shit so sliding a little further down for the sake of a couple hundred bucks is well worth it IMHO. I'm willing to take risks with my travel plans for cheap because I am a 20-something tightwad. You are not. We understand.

krylonultraflat

And no, its not for my viewing pleasure, its irony. You complain about their lack of computer knowledge. Then, someone with your level of knowledge (AS DETAILED BY YOUR RESUME) makes an easily avoidable mistake after stating to the community that you would be altering the email to make sure you're the "good guy" and not getting other people spammed? in trouble? Not that it would matter anyways.

DashTheHand

bnet41

sleze69

ediebeale

Troy F.

Pelagius

If you really feel like I should take the time to go through all the email headers and fix/clean to make things more pleasant for your viewing pleasure, what can I say... Go tell the world how bad I am ;)

alexrudloff

Pot, theres someone named Kettle I'd like you to meet.

DashTheHand

So if there was a traffic jam in Atlanta (which hardly EVER happens) would they try to recover their expenses from the city?

What idiots!

When I traveled a few years ago when delays weren't as common as they are now, I always allowed myself at least 4 hours leeway.

bhall03

Schminteresting

pestie

This e-mail thing just seemed to throw it all into overdrive. Check out the original post to see the full conversation!

alexrudloff

Just saying.

bedofnails

esqdork

And the BBB are twats, they're pretty damn useless.

ThyGuy

Did it work?

artki

Especially given Fl to Atlanta in the summer late afternoon, who wants to bet thunderstorms were involved?

nweaver

I remember the horror after I hit send, realizing what I had done.I'm not sure how I ever played that one off. Rather poorly, I'm sure.

Schminteresting

CEO NO HE DIDNT!!

HeyThereKiller

ckilgore

ChrisC1234

Avacasso

wring

nearsite

pinkbunnyslippers

Crazytree

gibsonic

Wormfather

"Thank you for letting me know how little you think of your customers and your attitude toward valid complaints. As a result of this, I am now forwarding a copy of my complaint to appropriate government agencies, the Better Business Bureau, and the following customer-oriented organizations..."

And put those people on the CC list.

Buran