<![CDATA[Consumerist: network marketing]]> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/base/img/thumbs140x140/consumerist.com.png <![CDATA[Consumerist: network marketing]]> http://consumerist.com/tag/network marketing http://consumerist.com/tag/network marketing <![CDATA[ "The Purple Horror" Monavie Group Blog ]]> Remember the Monavie Acai juice Multi-Level-Marketing scam Chris Walters told you about a few weeks ago? There's a whole community blog set up where people can post their Monavie stories as moderator-approved comments at purplehorror.com. Here's one from a frustrated salesperson: "Our upline said that we weren’t pitching it the “right way”. Their idea of the right way was to lie. They didn’t think of it as lying, but it was... They would ask people if they had any medical conditions and whatever they said, the answer was always “Monavie can definitely help you with that." Note the word "upline." That's a common word multi-level-marketing schemes use to refer to the person directly above you in their modified pyramid scheme.

Purple Horror

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Consumerist-5067925 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:23:28 EDT Ben Popken http://consumerist.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5067925&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Consumerist Attends Robert Allen's Get Rich Quick In Real Estate Seminar ]]> I wanted to find out what Robert Allen's "get-rich-quick in real estate with no money down" promise was all about, so when I saw a full page ad in the Daily Post advertising one of his free seminars recently, I went and checked it out. I'll give you a full run-down later, but here's the quick and dirty, and what I can tell about how the darn thing seems to function.

The way they're able to set up people who have no job or money down or credit score or clue what they're doing is to avoid the banking system entirely. Instead, they have a book of private lenders who will invest in your deal. These lenders are themselves "graduates" of the Robert Allen institute. According to the presenter, these graduates just have made so much money in real estate that they don't need to deals anymore, they just need places to invest their money.

The whole thing hinges around you finding properties in preforeclosure and then negotiating with the desperate owner and the lender to get a short sale. Then you're supposed to clean up the curb appeal and turn around and sell it for a little bit more. Basically the good ol' fix n' flip scenario. But wait, you ask, how do I find houses in preforeclosure?

Luckily the Robert Allen institute has a database they give you access to that shows you all the houses across the country in preforeclosure status. They charge $240 a year for this database, but you can get it for a year free if you sign up for a 3-day workshop class. The 3-day workshop costs $3995. Except today you can get a one-time discount of $1000. And if you get a friend or companion to sign up with you, they get 50% off. The presenter encouraged us to put it on Mastercard and only pay $40 a month. Within 4 months, he promised we would close a deal with a net profit of tens of thousands of dollars, and we could just pay off the Mastercard then. He had this overworked manner of emphasizing the syllables in polysyllabic words. Mastercard became Master-Card. He said things like "that strat-e-gy was very at-trac-tive."

The presenter talked about how important it was to put together the perfect short-sale package with all the right forms in the right order. He clasped that blue plastic binder and believed in it like it was the newly discovered epistles of Jesus. But I felt pretty confident that whatever was in that binder, or in his special CDs packed with legal documents, I could find for free online.

So what was in the seminar? Very basic information that teased to the prospect of learning more basic information at an inflated price tag, along with a pitch to join the Robert Allen multi-level-marketing real-estate pyramid, just like I figured. I'll give a more thorough analysis in a future post.

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Consumerist-5067398 Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:00:45 EDT Ben Popken http://consumerist.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5067398&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Despite Subprime Implosion, Robert Allen's Troops Still Pitch "Get Rich Quick In Real Estate With No Money Down" ]]> Robert Allen promises to make you millions teaching you how to buy real estate with no money down. Unsurprisingly, Ripoffreport is littered with complaints about his company and those that use his name. Here's the story they tell:

There's an ad for a free seminar. The crowd gets hyped with tales of fabulous wealth. High-pressure sales staff are on hand to sign you up for more courses for thousands of dollars. Each successive "course" has little information, just fluff and hype and a push to get to the next level where the real secrets will be revealed. There's a few thousand for the 3-day course. Some more thousands for the mentor hot-line and one-on-one coaching. More thousands for the at-home study course. Many more thousands for the weekend retreat where Robert Allen himself might appear. Then, if you really want the big juicy secret that will make you millions instantly, it'll just be $29,999 for the mastery class. Don't worry, you'll make that all back, they say

What actual info is in the materials? Little, it seems, but lots of promises about all the wealth you can generate. One person complained the books he paid over $5,000 for were:

"Thin on substance, but very thick on all the other classes and courses that I could enroll in to help further my dream of becoming a Certified Real Estate Specialist"

Another:

"massive books of crap with empty costly paid promises"

There's supposed to be a 100% money-back guarantee, but people complain about getting the runaround when they try to get refunds. Only chargebacks and complaints to the state's attorneys general work.

According to the complaints, once your email and phone number is in the database, the constant stream of calls to enroll in more classes and services begins. Probably the list gets sold around to the various sub-companies and they all take their crack at shaking your wallet.

I worked with a trainer for approximately 15 weeks, then was given a number for a coaching hotline after the 15 weeks. During that time, I made over 30 offers in 3 states, all with my coach's instruction. None of the offers ever came to fruition, mostly because you can't (legally) get something for nothing. In other words, many of the techniques for acquiring real estate were ethically questionable, particularly when trying to finance real estate deals with little or no money down.

When consumers get mad, the common tactic they write about is for the people they're talking to to say, oh yes, the parent organization is sleazy, we're trying to break away, we don't like them, now, THIS is the class that you need to sign up for.

From how it all smells cruising online, Robert Allen has little to do with the system anymore. Somewhere along the way, the rights to his name and aura were purchased and they slapped his likeness on top of a seminar/education scam and a multi-level-marketing scam. There seem to be an endless parade of "companies" which have bought the rights to use the Robert Allen name and resell his information. Places with names like: Enlightened Millionaire Institute, Business Skills Corporation, Emerald Capital Group, Inc, Go2Trade Corporation, International Acceptance Corporation, Life Skills Corporation, MyMediaWorks.com Corporation, Saris TEchnologies, Inc, Securities Trading Corporation, Timeshare and Vacation Properties Online, Inc., Life Skills Corp., Market Place Pro, The Institute of Commercial Real Estate and so forth.

They talked us into spending our severance pay to pay for mastery classes. They promised 'are you dumb enough to be rich?' and how easy it would be. We spent over $19,000 for classes and had to fly to other states to get some of the training. Two classes were cancelled and we had to choose different classes. Our field training was constantly postponed. They never teach you enough to be successful. We have not met anyone at these classes who has made money the 'Robert Allen' way. Everyone says they just are pressured into buying more classes. When you try to talk to customer service, they tell you to listen to more calls and make more offers. The calls are very vague and they try to sell you something else. No one is just going to 'give' you their house.

How does it work? MSNMoney wrote when they looked into Robert Allen, "They operate according to a tried-and-true principle of behavioral psychology called the variable ratio reinforcement schedule. Basically, people (and rats) will persist in doing something, even with little or no return, if they are given the tiniest bit of hope of a coming reward," In that same article, they also spoke with Mark Wilson, who said he had made lots of money using the Robert Allen system. He paid just $5,000 for a one-year course, and already had lots of experience in real estate.

I'm not sure what the final secret is. Robert Allen crows in his book "Multiple Streams of Income" about how he flew to LA, hooked up with a LA Times Reporter, handed over his wallet, and in 57 hours bought 7 seven properties worth $722,215 without putting any money of his own down at all. The title of the article supposedly was "Buying Home without Cash: Boastful Investor Accepts Time Challenge-and Wins." I Googled and looked on Lexis/Nexis but the only references I could find to it were reams of get-rich-quick webpages reselling the Robert Allen system, some of which, in oh irony of ironies, you'll likely find being advertised in the Google Ad Words block on the left side of the very page you're reading right now.

If I had to guess, it sounds like the big reveal is get a 0% down loan and then flip the house. Hmm, where have we heard this before? Oh yes, it was the lifeblood of the sub-prime meltdown. Right. Got it. There's also all this talk of "using other people's money," which I guess involves convincing other people to give you money to buy the house and then everyone gets their money back plus a bit of profit when turn around and sell it.

Even though banks are only loaning to people with stellar credit who can put solid money down, I still saw a full-page ad in the Daily Post last weekend for more of Robert Allen's seminars. Though, from what I hear, he doesn't actually do them anymore. No, they're now run by various coaches who are part of the Robert Allen institute and figured out the real money is in selling the schlock to the next sucker who believes you can get something for nothing. Hm, maybe we should go to one of these, just to find out how they operate and what the people who show up look like...

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Consumerist-5066820 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:09:38 EDT Ben Popken http://consumerist.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5066820&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ How The Modern Pyramid Scheme Stays Barely Legal ]]> The modern pyramid scheme has undergone slight tweaks in order to stay just with the bounds of the law, and still keep the fun scam times going. When you strip away all the pretty foil and chocolate, though, a naked Ponzi sits in the center, laughing his ass off.

It all stems from the basic idea of pay me $5 and I'll tell you how you can sign up five people to pay you $5 each. Instant riches! But see, U.S. law likes to see some sort of tangible product involved. So then we get a multi-level-marketing company supposedly built around diet pills, travel arrangements, energy resale, or lollipops, you know, "suckers." It doesn't really matter. Your recruiter fills your head with talk about salesmanship, relationship building, building up your team, and of course, all the fabulous amounts of easy money you can generate

But somewhere along the line you're going to have to pay some fee. Often there's an upfront "investment cost." Or maybe there's some fee that disproportionately large in comparison to the service or good it's supposed to be covering, like could be $39.95 for them to put up and maintain a webpage for you, or $49.95 per month for some nebulous "support" the company provides. And right there, you've found what the company is really about.

That's the juice that flows upwards through the ranks, the residual income that feeds your recruiter, and his recruiter, and your recruiter's recruiter recruiter, and so forth. This fee can come in all different colors and names and variations, but at the end of the day, it's all just the same old scam.

Or, you could just say no thanks to anything introduced as a "(insert positive adjective) business opportunity" and save yourself the hassle.

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Consumerist-307818 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:24:32 EDT Ben Popken http://consumerist.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=307818&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ 4 Typical DS-MAX MLM Scam Job Ads Found On Monster, HotJobs, CareerBuilder And Jobster ]]> heartdsmax.jpgUsing the names of companies accused of being DS-Max (now known as Innovage) subsidiaries/affiliates on Ripoffreport and a list on DS-Max The Aftermath, I did a search of Monster, Hot Jobs, and other job sites to pick out real ads that are out there and should be avoided.

In order to make sure I was on the right track, I compared their contents examples from ex-employees, also on Aftermath and Ripoffreport, and to the Midtown Promotions ad that started this whole investigation...


1. Creative Mind Insights (Jobster)
Creative Mind Insights, Inc specializes in promotional advertising and event marketing for clients in the non-profit industries(D.A.R.E AMERICA AND TOYS FOR TOTS). We are seeking motivated and career minded individuals to develop into an Executive Manager; through all areas of advertising, marketing, sales, and executive client management. A large part of our success is due to our hands-on program, which focuses on developing management and customer service skills in a professional environment. We are looking to cross-train all qualified candidates from the ground up.
Excerpt [Jobster] Archived in full [DSMAX The Aftermath]

2. Stafford Business Solutions (HotJobs, Career Builder)


Growing Firm Looking for Hard Working CAREER MINDED Individuals: Stafford Business Solutions
View more jobs like this
Job ID 1
Company Name Stafford Business Solutions
Job Category Sales; Marketing
Location Philadelphia, PA Allentown, PA
Position Type Full-Time, Employee
Salary Unspecified
Experience 1-2 Years Experience
Date Posted March 1, 2007 (Reposted Jun 18)

Stafford Business Solutions
View Stafford Business Solutions profile and job listings
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entry level marketing, sales/marketing, entry level, full time, sales

Stafford Business Solutions, Inc. is currently offering positions at the entry level for sales and marketing.

We are expanding this year to four new locations. As we provide paid training and promote only from within, all individuals must begin by getting the sales experience needed to grow in the marketing industry. This position involves face to face sales to new customers. Therefore, all individuals must possess excellent communication skills, professionalism and integrity to be trusted with our client's business accounts. Once proving they have the basic communication and sales skills needed to move forward in the marketing industry, individuals will be trained in various other areas of management from meetings to human resources, finances, leadership and more.

All applicants must possess the following:
- Experience in a team or people related field.

- Great communication and analytical skills.
- Ability to excel in unsupervised solo assignments as well as team projects.
- The personality to thrive in a merit-based environment.

We are in search of candidates looking for a challenging career, not just a temporary job making a temporary paycheck. We will not hire someone if we do not see them growing within our company.

Entry-level account executives are responsible for the following:

- Meeting business clients to discuss current and new Business Accounts
- Assisting in the daily operation of a start-up company.
- Developing and implementing original training techniques to achieve

internal goals.
- Developing strong leadership skills to build a high performance, cross-

functional team environment.
- Managing external customers needs.
- Developing excellent verbal, written, and presentation skills.

If you possess these skills, please do not hesitate, we are looking to fill our openings as soon as possible.

Please email your responses to : hr@sbssolutionsinc.com (please cut and paste your resume) NO ATTACHMENTS!!

To expedite the process, you may also contact our human resource manager, Jessica, to schedule a preliminary interview with one of our hiring managers @ (610)-825-0210.

Proud Member of the Better Business Bureau

www.sbssolutionsinc.com

*Stafford Business Solutions, Inc. is an equal opportunity employer. We do not discriminate on the basis of race, creed, sex, or age. Compensation on pay for performance basis.

Keywords: Entry level sales, sales and marketing, entry level sales and marketing, team player, new grad, sales, entry level, sales rep, sales and marketing, sales, entry level sales, entry level, sales and marketing, entry level sales rep, entry level sales and marketing, sales and marketing, team player, sports-oriented, help wanted, new grad, Full-time, New grad, sales, sales, entry level sales, entry level, sales and marketing, entry level sales rep, entry level sales and marketing, sales and marketing, team player, sports-oriented, help wanted, new grad, Full-time, New grad, sales.

"This is due to the overwhelming response to the available positions and the urgent need of our services by our clients." So overwhelming they repost this same ad more than once a week.

[Hotjobs]
[Career Builder]

3. Child Safety Enterprises Inc. (Career Builder)

Contact Information
Contact: vicky
Phone: 631-860-0232
Email: Send Email Now >>
Fax: Not Available
Ref ID: Not Available

* Posted: 5/27/2007
* Location: US-NY-Long Island
* Base Pay: $40,000.00 - $50,000.00 /Year
* Other Pay: bonuses and incentives
* Employee Type: Full-Time Employee
* Industry: Advertising Retail Public Relations
* Manages Others: Yes
* Job Type: Marketing Entry Level Training
* Req'd Education: High School
* Req'd Experience: At least 1 year(s)
* Req'd Travel: Up to 25%
* Relocation Covered: No
* Division: training

ENTRY LEVEL PAID SUMMER INTERNSHIPS AVAILABLE!

***STUDENT HOT LINE 631-860-0232 CALL NOW***

COLLEGE STUDENT?
COLLEGE GRADUATE?
SUMMER INTERNSHIPS AVAILABLE—-—INTERVIEW NOW, WHILE THEY LAST!

EARN WHILE YOU LEARN: SUMMER INTERNSHIPS AVAILABLE: MARKETING, PROMOTIONS, ADVERTISING, PUBLIC RELATIONS, TRAINING

CHILD SAFETY ENTERPRISES, INC.is New York's fastest growing promotional event marketing firm. With offices that recently expanded to Boston, Florida, and Texas, we are working with more national clients than ever. Due to our expanding client base, we are looking for ambitious and driven individuals with high-energy attitudes to join our team.

Our advertising and marketing firm is the leader in direct advertising and event marketing industry. We represent clients at sporting events, fairs, festivals, malls and major retail locations and department stores. Our portfolio includes national charities and non-profit organizations as well as the sporting and racing industries.

We currently have entry-level openings in:

# Promotions

# Event Marketing

# Sales and Public Relations

# Management

www.childsafetyent.com

To apply: Cut and paste your resume and email it to [Click here for email] NO ATTACHMENTS WILL BE OPENED!

For immediate consideration please call Colleen @ 631-860-0232

People from all backgrounds seeking full time opportunities or internships in the following areas are encouraged to inquire about our program: sales, customer service, part time, managers, accounting, marketing, clerical, management, public relations, human resources, driver, security, administrative assistant, purchasing, medical, administrative, receptionist, retail, maintenance, warehouse, sports teams, entry level, education, finance, director, telecommunications, real estate, training, engineering, insurance, data entry, project manager, information technology, part time, printing, technician, legal, automotive, teacher, winter, banking, analyst, nursing, restaurant, controller, network, public relations, environmental, nurse, design, quality, safety, secretary, office, assistant, hotel, accountant, account executive, vice president, medical assistant, transportation, supervisor, general, public relations, advertising, writer, fraternity, social services, finance, java, all, graphic, public relations, mba, holiday, office manager, sales manager, field representative, mortgage, social work, training, cms, attorney, research, payroll, oracle, executive assistant, paralegal, courier post, drivers, pharmaceutical, operations, president, web, help wanted, rn, advertising, law enforcement, auto cad, health care, executive, food, production, chef, sports oriented, cad, project management, tax, auto, editor, hospitality, hvac, training, team player, pharmaceutical sales, tourism, it, collections, spanish, unix, art, buyer, facilities, professional, mechanical, bartender, help desk, hospitality, travel, logistics, call center, truck driver, inventory, financial ,computers, communications, pharmacist, police, teaching, counselor, chemist, plant manager, ncaa, photography, promotional advertising, book keeper, medical sales, electrical engineer, health, trader, bilingual, business analyst, recruiter, junior executive, cfo, accounts payable, account manager, sports, sorority, cashier, financial, music, social worker, publishing, project, support, business development, lpn, welder, clerk, technical, quality assurance, promotional sales, government, distribution, secretarial, sales management, mental health, nanny, child care, registered nurse, cna, Japanese, technical support, administration, property manager, cook, shipping, pharmacy, coordinator, entertainment, management training, new grads.

***STUDENT HOT LINE 631-860-0232 CALL NOW***

Even when the ads aren't student-focused, the number is the same.

[Career Builder]

4. Matrix Distribution, Inc. (Career Builder, Monster)

Must be an offshoot of Matrix Marketing on Michigan; while looking up Matrix Marketing, I came across this ad, which is almost, word for word, a copy of DS-Max ads by other companies.

Contact Information
Contact: Human Resources
Phone: 614-844-5976
Email: Send Email Now >>
Fax: 614-540-7445
instantly fax your resume >>
Ref ID: spt,mkt-178

* Posted: 6/15/2007
* Location: US-OH-Columbus
* Base Pay: N/A
* Employee Type: Full-Time Employee
* Industry: Advertising Public Relations Sales - Marketing
* Manages Others: Yes
* Job Type: Management Marketing
* Req'd Education: Not Specified
* Req'd Experience: None
* Req'd Travel: Up to 25%
* Relocation Covered: No

Marketing. Advertising. Public Relations. WORK WITH SPORTS MERCH
Company: Matrix Distribution, Inc.

Description: Marketing. Advertising. Public Relations.

Based in the Worthington area, Matrix Distribution is a promotional advertising/ marketing company that specializes in marketing for the consumer products industry. Setting up and expediting promotions for our clients is our main focus. This year, our success with our blue chip client base has lead us to increase our marketing and management team. We value innovation, leadership, growth potential and a positive attitude; we offer career opportunities and fun work environment.

MATRIX DISTRIBUTION is a marketing firm that strongly believes when people are excited about what they do, they are more productive. For that reason, we strive to create a fun atmosphere that is still conductive to learning. We represent top-notch clients and focus on bringing in new quality accounts for them. Over the last 2 years we have accumulated over 500 national clients. We are now evaluating candidates for an account management position to help oversee our client's expansion. Growth and compensation based on personal performance.

www.matrixdistinc.com

Account Managers are responsible for demographic research, client meetings, campaign meetings and ensuring the overall satisfaction of the client in regards to their campaign. No experience is necessary. The successful candidate is extremely articulated, competitive by nature, motivated to succeed and excels in a fast-paced, high-energy environment. All openings start out at the entry-level and are ideal for the recent college graduates, experienced marketing professionals and persons seeking a career change.

If you feel you fit the criteria email your r sum to ([Click here for email])
No Attachments - Copy and Paste resume

Qualified candidates will be contacted regarding an interview. For immediate consideration contact Human Resources at 614-844-5976.

Requirements
People from all backgrounds seeking part time or full time opportunities in the following areas are encouraged to inquire about our program: sales, customer service, part time, manager, accounting, marketing, clerical, management, sports marketing, advertising, computer, human resources, sports advertising, marketing manager, driver, security, product advertising, administrative assistant, marketing assistant, marketing sports promotions, manager, purchasing, sports merchandise, sports merchandising, marketing assistant, administrative, receptionist, retail, maintenance, warehouse, entry level, sports and recreation, education, product marketing, promotions, finance, director, public relations, telecommunications, real estate, advertising specialist, public relations specialist, sports, insurance, sports marketing, project manager, advertising assistant, information technology, promotional marketing, printing, technician, automotive, teacher, public relations, sports merchandise, sports merchandising, banking, analysis, nursing, controller, advertising manager, network, public relations, environmental, nurse, design, safety, Secretary, office, assistant, hotel, accountant, medical assistant, transportation, supervisor, General, advertising, social services, office manager, communications, sales, manager, mortgage, social work, training, executive assistant, hospitality, pharmaceutical sales, collections,

"MATRIX DISTRIBUTION is a marketing firm that strongly believes when people are excited about what they do, they are more productive." Sounds so much creepier when you know anything about DS-Max.

[CareerBuilder]
[Monster]

If you spot a multi-level-marketing scam ad online, report it to the job posting site and request a takedown. Check out this post on identifying these types of ads.It's really pathetic that these sites don't do more to police their postings. As if finding a job wasn't hard enough. It's a great disservice to job-seekers to have to wade through scam crap. And of course, DS-MAX affiliates are but the tip of the iceberg. There's many other scams floating through these sides readily apparent to anyone with basic reading comprehension abilities. — BRIAN FAIRBANKS

PREVIOUSLY: How To Spot A DS-MAX Style MLM Scam Job Ad
Our DS-MAX Thread
Our Undercover Investigation Into A DS-MAX Affiliated Company

Note: No definitive ties have been established between Midtown Promotions and DS-MAX/Innovage.

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Consumerist-270144 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:49:23 EDT Ben Popken http://consumerist.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=270144&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ How To Spot A DS-MAX Style MLM Scam Job Ad ]]> Here are some of the qualities of a "business" operating under DS-MAX (now known as Innovage, though the same company owns both trademarks...) principles, an organization responsible for many complaints alleging scams, fraud, and general employee deprivation in a "sales-cult" atmosphere.


Using a cross-referenced example of the online ads reputed to be for Aftermax companies as a guide, here's some things to look out for.

Name of company:
The easiest thing to do is to do a Google site search (query looks like "site: sitename.com businessname) on DSMAX The Aftermath, RipoffReport, or just plain Google to see if there's any complaints about the business.
Contact: Vicky
Ads often include a made-up female name so the company can track which ads are bringing in responses.
Phone: xxx-xxx-xxxx
Ref ID: Not Available
Yeah, cuz Vicki is all the ref they need.

* Posted: 6/3/2007
* Location: US-NY-Long Island
* Salary/Wage: 400.00 - 600.00 USD /week
Wide pay range is a strong early indicator of commission-only pay
* Other Pay: bonuses
Big red flags in an expensive career builder ad: n/a translates to no. Bonus pay translates to working Saturdays.
* Employee Type: Full-Time Employee
Don't let this throw you off the scent; just because you are full-time doesn't mean it's not DS-Max; remember DS-Max has a hard time understanding the difference between full-time and insane overworking.
* Industry: Advertising
May say marketing in some cases, warehouse in others.
* Manages Others: Yes
You bet your biscuits. It's all about graduating from sucker and building a team of suckers to work under you. Oh, goody! An extra $10 a day!
* Job Type: Entry Level
Can you fog a mirror? You're hired!
* Req'd Education: High School
See above.
* Req'd Experience: 1 to 7 years
The range is set here as broad as possible so as to attract the most potential queries.
* Req'd Travel: Up to 25%
Obviously an outright lie; one Ripoffreport reporter said that she was told "up to 75%" in the field, when she ended up in the field seven or more hours a day.
* Relocation Covered: No
They pay nothing except commissions. We have even heard many complaints, including from Wolfram.org, that DS-Max affiliates refuse to pay any travel costs, including gas and hotels for sales trips required by the company. These job-related expenses can severely cut into an already diminished pay.

Executing unique, professional, and effective marketing events throughout the Deer Park Area.
How blandly attractive. Note that they don't mention marketing above, although that's clearly what the job has something to do with.

Are you looking for a career in human resources, management, or marketing, but have little experience?
Wait, weren't you supposed to have somewhere up to 7 years?
Are you having a hard time getting your foot in the door with a successful, proven firm?
i.e. one with standards.
Do you want a chance to test your work ethic, drive and determination?
We'll give them that, working for DS-MAX affiliates tests the limits of one's human endurance. Just without much prospect of any tangible rewards
We may be just what you are looking for.

We currently have openings in:

HUMAN RESOURCES
EVENT MARKETING
SALES/PROMOTIONS
PUBLIC RELATIONS
CUSTOMER SERVICE
ENTRY-LEVEL MANAGEMENT TRAINING
All of this is bullshit; it's sales, plain and simple. The chockablock is just query-bait.

What we offer:

* UNPARALLELED WORK ENVIRONMENT
Hell is a close parallel.
* 100% PROMOTION FROM WITHIN
The definition of MLM
* DETAILED TRAINING AND COACHING
Brainwashing.
* OPPORTUNITY FOR TRAVEL
Make that, you will be traveling around town all day long.
* UNLIMITED GROWTH POTENTIAL WITH RAPID ADVANCEMENT
How far up the pyramid will you go? You have a 1 in 20 chance of making a living wage. Go for it!

STOP LOOKING AND START INTERVIEWING!!!

Child Safety Enterprises, Inc. has a work environment in which decisions are shared, not handed down. We have an intensive, hands-on training program in all areas. We have an opportunity for people to enjoy real responsibility from the start with no glass ceilings, where compensation and advancement are based on performance, not seniority!
Yeah, because it's all commission, you twits!

If you are looking for a challenge with fast-paced growth, an exciting atmosphere, and a team-oriented environment then respond IMMEDIATELY.
We are hiring this week!
We are only hiring five people. However, be one of the first 50,000 applicants and you'll be guaranteed a slot.
The openings are both limited and immediate.
We're hiring as soon as the morning meeting is over, so you can't be scared off by the chanting.

...For immediate consideration please call Vicky @ XXX-XXX-XXXX
Sure, but don't ask for her once you're hired. "Who? Vicky? Never heard of 'er."

Visit our website childsafetyent.com
Just don't visit http://childsafetyinc.blogspot.com/2007/04/scam-of-lifetime.html

Requirements
People from all backgrounds seeking part time or full-time opportunities in the following areas are encouraged to inquire about our program: sales, customer service, part time, manager, accounting, marketing, clerical, management, human resources, administrative assistant, purchasing, medical, administrative...
And on so on. In several of these examples, the ads actually list more than 100 types, just to draw in everyone who searches for those kinds of jobs. And I'm sorry: medical? Financial analyst?! Do they honestly think people with those backgrounds are going to apply for this vague job... and then after applying, actually get sucked in to the wonderful world of making $300+ a week for a Long Island cult club? Please.

No experience is necessary.
Whoever wrote my contracts wrote that sentence.

Some ads are harder to see through. If you didn't know Arbonne has been accused of being a Multi-Level Marketing scheme, you might not see the harm in a Craigslist posting that reads, "I sell airbonne pure swiss skin care for women and men. I am looking for business builders to join our team."

Any ads with references to "business builders" should be looked at carefully.

If the interview takes place in a warehouse

If any of these ads have tempted you, just remember the immortal words of former DS-Max employee Jay, of Cape Cod, MA: "Cydcor/DS Max and all of their corrupt managers/owners do not care about who they hurt or how many lives they ruin. Its all in a day's work for them."

If you've never heard of the company, Google it. Check it out on RipOffReport. Look at their website (if they have one). Is it professional, or does it look like some high-schooler crapped it out?

If you see an ad containing the qualities we describe, notify the job posting site that it may be a multi-level-marketing scam.

Let's face it. Times may be tough, it may be hard to get your foot in the door, but most jobs are still gotten through a friend of a friend, not through an online job site. Try working your personal connections, talking to friends and family members, and contacting your school's alumni network. It's much more organic and you're likely to achieve higher quality results. Plus, there's no shame in joining a temp agency if you're really hard up for work. — BRIAN FAIRBANKS

BACKSTORY: See our thread of DS-MAX related posts.

Note: No definitive ties have been established between Midtown Promotions and DS-MAX/Innovage.

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Consumerist-269871 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:13:22 EDT Ben Popken http://consumerist.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=269871&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Pursue Exciting Opportunities In Energy Deregulation ]]> mlmrobber.jpgYou too can work for an energy supplier and seize a piece of this exciting money-making opportunity! At least, that's what the Craigslist ad told us.
You may know well the great promise of Network Marketing.
We love the part where they say the amount of money you can make from this depends on,
The timing of entry of the networker into the company growth curve.
aka, it's better to be at the top of the Ponzi scheme. For the uninitiated, network marketing is just another name for multi-level-marketing (MLM), structurally similar to a pyramid scheme, except usually there's an actual product being sold. Employees get money for selling products, and for signing up new recruits. A cut of your commission flows up to the guy who signed you up, and you get a cut of your recruits' commissions, and so on up the pyramid. The FTC ruled that MLM isn't illegal per se. Often they're set up so the people on the very bottom don't make much, or even end up losing, money. Amway is a famous example.

Anyway, looks like this ad, also posted inside, is for Ambit Energy. There's tons of these little suppliers selling energy to Con Ed, all vying for subscribers. IDT Energy is another. For some reason, the industry seems to lend itself to sleazy marketing tactics, like network marketing and knocking on people's doors and saying you work for Con Ed.


Utility Deregulation Offers Unique Opportunities Reply to: see below Date: 2007-05-20, 11:44PM EDT

This may be up your alley.

I know that you are keeping busy. Maybe you have a few spare hours and much bigger dreams.

You may know well the great promise of Network Marketing. One's success all depends on a few factors, including:

- A desirable and consumable product for repeat sales.
- The timing of entry of the networker into the company growth curve.

Our company, Ambit Energy will be starting to retail ConEd electric power in NYC and Westchester starting May 25, 2007. That's this Friday. The company launch is Thursday night, May 24, at 7pm. (Before the wave.)

For the consumer, there is a significant discount off the standard ConEd prices. No selling, only signing up current (or new) consumers to receive their discounts.

For the networker, there are team building bonuses and residual monthly income from each consumer's monthly electric bill that the networker and his team helps the consumer save. Electricity is habitually purchased and unconsciously used. Wow! Every electric meter spins 24 hours each day, even if only on the refrigerator and alarm clocks. Oh no, here comes air conditioning season.

This is going to be a win-win-win situation. There are 3.4 million consumers waiting for their discounts.

Would you like to win at this new game? Now is the time to start. Early starts are the fastest starts!

More info at:
http://electricitygoesmlm.com and http://unifiedelectric.ambitNY.biz

Will I see you at the grand launch of the company's new NYC/Weschester market? Call me for details. My number is in the websites. Call for Eric.

If you say "no way", please refer this opportunity to a friend. They can help you get your discount with travel incentives to switch! See you Thursday?

* Telecommuting is ok.
* This is a part-time job.
* Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster.
* Please, no phone calls about this job!
* Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.

PostingID: 335041981

One of the sites he links to is even worse, proclaiming "Get in on the Ground Floor of an Opportunity that could make you a MULTI-MILLIONAIRE!" and offering a free tele-seminar promising to put you on the easy road to, "making the money you deserve, driving the car you want and living in your dream home."

Another thing they say they will teach you is, "How to instantly create your cash generating personal website." — BEN POPKEN

RELATED: Department of Duh: Multi-Level Marketing Is A Scam

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Consumerist-264717 Thu, 31 May 2007 02:56:00 EDT Ben Popken http://consumerist.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=264717&view=rss&microfeed=true