The HELL thats apropriate action. 8000 miles that AA will make DAMN sure you cant use?

Pfft. Tipping is an archaic practice with no place in today's economy. Can we just end it please and pay people a fair wage instead?

Be nice to your exterminator too, or he just might take a dump in your attic. A word to the wise.

Something along these lines happened to us last year flying United. We walked into LAX and got into a long line to check our bags. A United employee came up to us shortly thereafter and asked if we already had our boarding passes (printed out before leaving home). When I answered "yes", he grabbed my rolling bag and said, "Follow me - we'll get these checked outside." We normally tip $1/bag and when they tagged the bags and I handed the outside skycap 2 bucks, he said, "That's not enough" and I was confused and asked, "Not enough for your tip?" His response was that United had just instituted a $2 fee per bag and that "none of that goes to us anymore". I only had two more singles so I gave it to him and apologized for not having more. The guy just rolled his eyes and said, "You should think about that next time before you use our services."

I understand his frustration being screwed over by his own company, but he was just an ass. And when we went in, we saw the United employee pulling people out of line again routing them outside to check in with the skycap.

What?

How do you people function in the real world? How can you say that tipping is archaic? You have a really self centered view on commerce if thats the case.

When you use the curbside check in your essentially saving time waiting in the long line inside and alleviating yourself of a hassle. You think that $3 a reasonable tip for something like that?

$5 is the minimum I tip when I'm using curbside checkin and while I obviously wouldn't justify putting garbage in a passengers bag I'm pretty sure this "customer" was confrontational and acted like an entitled jerk.

I have no problem tipping people if they possess a SKILL. Handling baggage isn't a skill. I wish I could go back into the kitchen at a restaurant and give the chef the tip instead of leaving it on the table. Sure, the waiter/waitress brought me my food but that's hardly worth more than $1. The chef did a lot more work than he/she did.

Use the 8000 miles to go back and put a cap in his ass. BTWIANAL

I can't condone extortion OR retaliation, but I do know one thing: Don't piss off people who are serving your food or have access to your stuff.

And mopar_man waiting tables is a skill, you may not recognize it as such, but it takes a certain amount of skill to do it right. The guy in the kitchen is on salary or making a decent amount an hour, the server is probably making sub-minimum wage plus tips and being taxed a flat 8% on their sales.

By the way, you could buy a round of drinks for the kitchen if you were so inclined.

The chef also gets paid a lot more. Most waitstaff only make 2-3 dollars an hour, because it's expected that they will make it up in tips. Stupid? Yes. Fair? No. Such is life.

I tip commensurate to the experience. If service is timely, friendly, and everything goes smoothly I tip 20% or more. I don't even mind if there are problems, because mistakes happen. We went to two places last weekend where there were problems with our order (overcooked entree both times).

At one place the waiter was very apologetic and promptly brought a replacement and even offered a free dessert (which we politely declined). He got a 20% tip because he handled it well. At the other place, the waiter just said "Oh, sorry. Do you want a box for everything?" Then he left. If we didn't have a 3 month old that was starting to get fussy I would have waited another 15 minutes for him to get around to coming back, as it was I paid for the meal and left no tip.

He should be glad he didn't find a certain barf-bag in his suitcase!

Let me get this straight. The OP walks away after the checker says "I can't guarantee your luggage will arrive safely." What happened to the good old days when the baggage checkers would simply lose your luggage?

@mopar_man: Like WindowSeat said, the Chef makes a salary, sometimes a very good one (I know head chefs at Macaroni Grill make over 60,000 with benefits), wait staff do not and routinely make 2-3 dollars a hour or less and usually have to split it with more than just themselves (if you have a food runner he gets part of that tip, you bought a drink the bartender gets part of that tip too)

I agree though its a archaic practice and would much rather tipping be done away with and Restaurants forced to pay minimum wage or more per a hour to their staff.

8000 miles doesn't even get you 1/3d of a domestic economy ticket. I'd escalate this.

So how much "tip" is enough for the Skycaps? If the fee is $2 a bag, and you give the guy a $1 tip isn't that a 50% tip? Are they getting paid any salary at all?

I'm really glad I don't travel by plane very often. The aggravation doesn't seem worth it.

Since I paid my way through college as a skycap, this really caught my attention. I think its complete BS that the airline is charging for the service. I made $2.13 and hour but did get a fair amount in tips working for TWA (through a contracting company) in its final years. Although there wasnt much skill to it, just learning how to read the various types of tickets and memorizing all the airport codes (At first I almost accidentally sent some luggage to Siapan {I still dont know where that is})

I think most of the people I worked with were fantastic. We could process 4 to 5 times the people that the counter could because we had the drive to do it. I helped hadicapped people, I helped overloaded people, and I offered information.

In my opinion, the best thing about a skycap is that they work for tips. It means service to me.
Some crazy bastards would give you $50 and others wouldn't give you a dime. I still treat everyone with respect along with their belongings. However, Marshall Faulk (yes the football player) gave me 50 cents for unloading and checking all his crap. I wanted to give that guy a pass of two quarters to the back of his head.

If the guy was rude, why give him anything at all? There are other options.

Also, waitstaff make plenty of money for the work they do. I've busted my ass for wayyyy less before. They would be the first to complain if tipping were stopped and a standard wage paid...

As with all tipping, it's pretty simple. It's no secret that there are certain jobs out there that get by on tips. Not a single one of the jobs achieves something that cannot be taken care of by somebody else who does not require a tip. You can cook your own meals, eliminating the server. You can go to the counter eliminating the skycap. You can go pick up the pizza yourself, eliminating the delivery. If you do decide to use these services, you must tip. It is a social construct. If you fail to follow the construct, you must be ready to accept the consequences.

Miss Manners can give you a handy guide on tip amount and percentage if you need a little help.

I don't care whether or not the guy "should have" been tipped or not. There is NO EXCUSE for messing with someone's personal property and the airline has no business opening customers' luggage. That's the TSA's job, much as we all might hate it.

This is why I put a lock on my suitcase that only the TSA can open. This is also why I don't check anything if I can help it, and never, EVER EVER EVER check my camera backpack. That always is with me, under the seat in front of me and never even in the luggage bin - someone I know had his camera (a Nikon D200 like mine with some expensive lenses and accessories with it) stolen out of the overhead bin.

I would have filed a lawsuit. This has nothing to do with their "contract of carriage" and everything to do with destruction of property, trespass, and vandalism.

@mopar_man: It reminds me of Dwight Shrute from The Office, who says he never tips anybody for something that he can do himself. So the guy that delivered is subs got no tip, but he tipped his urologist.

And the reason that tips are around at all is because there is such a little markup on the food, the restaurant can't afford to pay them more. If you want to avoid tipping, be prepared to pay more per dish. In addition to that, the server won't get an even cut of the increased profit. Also, they won't have motivation to give outstanding service if they are straight hourly.

Add on: I have no idea what to tip a Skycap. That's what the Miss Manners part was about. Basing a $1 tip on $2 charge, though, is ridiculous, as they are not interdependent. I think $5 would have easily covered it and ensured extra special care of his bag.

So, coming to my second tip of the day: Round up. The extra dollar or two (or four) won't really register with you, but it makes a huge difference for those getting by on tips.

@umlaut75: Read the post. The guy did tip. The jackass skycap just said 'that's not enough' as if he's the one who determines what his tip should be. I say screw him, you should've taken your dollar back that very second just to spite him.

@umlaut75:

You mean, the consequences of "more money in your pocket"? Don't get me wrong. I tip when appropriate, sometimes more than necessary. But tips are OPTIONAL. If I chose not to tip that would be within my rights and I would still expect good service.

Let me repeat. Tips are OPTIONAL REWARDS FOR A JOB WELL DONE ABOVE AND BEYOND REQUIREMENTS.

What someone gets paid is not my problem. If it's not enough they can take it up with my manager.

@bambino: I was not replying to the post in that screed, I was replying to the "Why tip?" questions in the comments. Sorry for the confusion. I should have clarified.

@umlaut75: "t is a social construct. If you fail to follow the construct, you must be ready to accept the consequences."?

thats extortion buddy.

cost of services are generally covered already. if i order food, the cost of the wait staff's pay is covered in the cost of the food, or they could levy an additinal fee. why should consumers volunteer to pay some additional phantom fee of an arbitrary amount? aborb that into wages and everyone wins - even the public will win because now tips will be declared as income. ta da.

i had a bartender tell me a $3 tip for cracking the top off 3 beers wasn't enough. it's the only time i've ever pulled back a tip before.

i'm a pretty generous tipper b/c i've worked service for tip jobs before & they don't pay very well (if you haven't been there, you really have no standard for comparison). but i can get pretty ornery when someone tries to spend my money for me. there's times when i've stiffed a waitress, bartender, etc. b/c of poor service, but they couldn't even meet my low expectations.

in this situation, my compensation would have been simple. pay the dry cleaning bill, replace my suitcase & inside, i want to see a personal letter of apology from the skycap, plus my $3 back.

While the passenger didn't deserve what happened to them but if my luggage was threatened that way I would have surely taken it back and checked it in the terminal. I would have also let the skycap keep the tip because he obviously needed it more than I did.

@Buran: ... their manager. Oops.

@jcase757: "If you want to avoid tipping, be prepared to pay more per dish. In addition to that, the server won't get an even cut of the increased profit. Also, they won't have motivation to give outstanding service if they are straight hourly."

jcase575, I've spent a lot of time in countries in Europe (Germany for example) where waitstaff for the most part get a straight hourly. Always got great service from them, and as a bonus it tends to reduce the godawful habit of American waitpeople acting like they want to be your best friend so that you'll like them and tip better.

The counter to your argument is that waitstaff who work on straight hourly take more pride in their work (since they're not having to grovel to get paid), so they provide better service.

Also, yeah we'd pay more per dish, but we wouldn't be paying 15-20% tip so it would come out the same in the end. Not following your logic on that one...

@Buran: If tips are too much for you, and adversely affect your bottom line, you should take appropriate actions, such as not putting yourself in the situations where tips are expected from the consumer. Personal responsibility, FTW!

I'm not arguing that tipping culture is not archaic, it is. But it's held on because of the demands of the consumers. Consumers want lower initial price points. I don't believe that a restaurant using a 15-20% markup on menu prices will be as successful as one using the old, current, way. As long as Americans keep going for the lower price points, wages paid out by ownership will stay the same.

Once again, to avoid confusion, my comments are directed at other comments. I do not condone vindictive action against anyone deciding that no or low tipping is enough.

If I'm wrong to you, fine, I can handle it. It's just my take on the situation.

@Rajio: Tips are declared as income. Maybe the IRS is more money hungry than you thought? Joking aside, I have, in the past, been victim to restaurants claiming more in tips than I made. I was told as an aside by the bookkeeper that it was to keep suspicion off of the restaurant and to avoid an ausit. Maybe that was just a bad restaurant, I don't know, bit it wasn't the only one where my claimed tips were adjusted upwards.

I promise I'll quit spamming now, but one more thing. Tips are a personal choice. The bartender saying a $3 tip is not enough? Bogus. You should pull that tip away. I fear that I have not been clear enough in saying that the skycap and that bartender and anyone else who accepts tips should do so gracefully. I can guarantee you, though, that they will remember the one who both tip them well and the ones that tip poorly.

As an aside, I was caught out myself this summer and didn't know what to tip a cabbie in Scotland for the ride. I asked him, and gave him a little above what he said. When push come to shove, don't be afraid to ask, it is my experience that the tippee tends to name in the low range.

I always assumed that tipping a skycap was similar to tipping a bellhop: $1/bag. CNN Money seems to agree with this --
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/tipping/
But, you can't really blame people for not understanding that the $2/bag charge goes to the airline and not the skycap.

I also assumed that skycaps were paid a wage and any additional money I provided was merely a gratuity. Are skycaps really paid sub-minimum wage?

Regardless, the skycaps in this story behaving extremely inappropriately and AA should do much more than 8000 frequent flier miles.

Why the hell did he leave the bag there after that conversation? While what the checker did was terrible, I certainly wouldn't have just left the bag with someone threatening to lose it.

A favorite restaurant of mine here in san diego, the linkery (http://thelinkery.com/) has recently abandoned tipping. They pay their waitstaff wage (along with health insurance). They do charge an 18% gratuity to cover front of the house costs.

Their argument has several fronts: first off, tipping doesn't work. if you undertip (or leave no tip at all) for bad service, the waitperson just thinks you are a bad tipper. tipping does not improve service. secondly, tipping causes waitpeople to disrupt the flow of a restaurant by having to fawn over demanding customers which leaves others unattended. thirdly, tipping doesn't cover any of the other front of the house costs. lastly, tipping makes for a disfunctional relationship between server and customer. imagine how much better dining out can be by having a waitperson who cares about the food and the restaurant and wants to provide good service for those reasons, not to make an extra $2. for me it is similar to shopping at REI.

they make these points better than i can on their blog.

Tipping is a reward for a job well done. Demanding money up front to ensure that your luggage makes it in one piece is extortion. There's a difference. I wouldn't settle for the 8000 miles either. Suppose I had any personal information in that suitcase, and the guy decided to help himself to it while he was piling in garbage? This is outrageous.

I never really seen the need for skycaps at all.

I fly alot, and have no problem checking my own bag at the desk.

After all, I did pack the bag myself, and lug it into my car, and lug it out of the trunk, all the way to the front door of the airport.

Why should I pay someone $5 dollars to walk my bag a few feet to the desk when I can do it myself.

Its just useless spending money this way. I have told skycaps "no thanks, i've got it" on several occasions, and never had one problem with lost luggage, or garbage in my luggage.

The airline's response is absurd. An employee basically destroys your property, and they give you 1/3 of one round trip ticket.

Having worked as both a pizza driver and waiter, I can confirm that tips are an essential part of our pay. I made $2.13 an hour as a waiter because it's expected that tips will make up the difference. So to people saying tips aren't necessary, go to restaurants where the food isn't brought to your table, since you don't appreciate the service someone who walks/stands for 8 hours a shift does for you.

Same goes for pizza. If you don't want the tip, drive to the store and pick up the food yourself. Delivery is an extra service performed for the customers convenience, and that time saved is expected to be compensated appropriately. Pizza drivers need money for gas and insurance, and 75 cents a delivery from company/customer doesn't cover it.

I gave equal service to all parties and took pride in my job, but if you're a bad tipper and a regular at an establishment, your servers will remember you. This being said, what happened to the OP's luggages is horrible and black eye to people who work hard for their tips.

@ikes: That's hardly a "tip-free" policy, no matter what they say on their site.
No tipping would mean the price on the menu is the price that you pay.
All they're doing is adding a forced gratuity to the bill, which you have to pay regardless of service.

@Consumerist: (Run a spell-check, people!)

You guys are one(s) to talk! There are a rediculous amount of typos on this site, which we just ignore because, well, who cares. But now that you mention it...

@idledebonair: Like the word "ridiculous," for example.

On tipping in restaurants... it is archaic, but in most states servers are paid $2-3 an hour and tips are supposed to make up the rest (to or above minuimum wage). This is both unfair and unfortunate, but isn't going to change quickly.

So for those of you who treat it as "optional", thanks for making the world a worse place and being inconsiderate to your fellow man. Not everyone has options in life, just because you don't have to depend on tips, doesn't make you better than someone else.

And for the record, "The US federal minimum wage for a tipped employee is $2.13 an hour" -> http://w... The only requirement is for employers to make up the difference. If you ever had to wait tables on your way up in life, the skill (and yes it's not rocket science, but it does take some level of skill) required should dictate higher than minimum wage pay.

It's a messed up system, but by not tipping you aren't being a crusader, you're being a selfish ass. Which, unfortunately is becoming synonymous with "American"...

.....I worked as a restaurant cook for several years before I got a real job. Some of the waitresses at the better restaurants did share tips with the cook and busboy. It might have been only 10 or 15% of the take, but it was a good move. It was incentive to bust ass for that waitress, for sure!

.....Skycaps, hotel porters, tour guides, sackers taking your groceries to the car, etc. I avoid 'em like the plague! And I'll walk ten miles to my destination before I let a valet parker have my car!

.....As to spelling errors, I'm still loving Firefox 2. It can't keep you from taping the wrong word, though.

I never quite understood the point of curb-side check-in. It's not like that line moves any faster than the self-serve queue inside.

@ikes: i would have to agree with permissionmag here. they are just forcing gratuity & it sounds like "front-end costs" could even include the restaurant itself.

i don't mind tipping. at the establishments that i frequent, i have developed a positive mutual relationship thru good tipping, remembering people's names, being polite, & NOT being demanding. i'm rewarded with preferred seating, fast service, hot food, quick drinks & freebies. to me, that's worth the extra money i spend.

& i also used to deliver food in college. trust me - delivery drivers remember. think in terms of time: it takes 10 mins. to make the food & it's a 15 min. drive to the store. if that food takes 1 1/2 to get to your door, it means you don't tip enough. that driver probably went home for a couple bong rips & a simpsons episode en route to your house.

@permissionmag: Um what the hell do you think they would do otherwise. To satisfy your idea o a no-tip all they would have to do is add a few dollars more to the price of the food. Here they are just saying there is a 18% service fee for your food. Pretty much the same thing.

It is ALSO what many European and Canadian places do by default which is why they laugh hilariously when stupid Americans pay them 1