and this after i watched Fast Food Nation.... Yep looks like they really are improving their practices since that book and movie came out.

time to switch to fish!

@DMDDallas: ...but not tuna

Some people are so sick, how fucked up can you be to first stick poor sick cows with a forklift, then turn around and sell SCHOOLS meat that may be contaminated? I hope these people rot.

Lovely. I'm eating a Wendy's classic double right now as I read the press releases...
I'll probably still finish it though...

But. They're california cows, so they're happy cows.

Right?

Waste not, want not.

@DMDDallastime to switch to fish!

Maybe not...
[www.redorbit.com]

Yeah don't switch to fish too fast... they have issues too.

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@Dresarius: Sorry, OP specifically calls them "downer cows." And since you are what you eat, and I eat tons of beef...

I'm gonna go drown my sorrows now in delicious steak, hopefully it's not the infected crap.

@BayStateDarren: BSE is only present in the brain, spinal cord, eyes and a couple of other organs. A t-bone from even a downer cow would be perfectly safe. You would only have to worry about hamburger.

[www.fsis.usda.gov]

@DCGaymer: I've seen that in halibut, the reason I no longer eat halibut.

These a-holes should be killed for what they've done in the name of filthy lucre. Killed, no judge, jury necessary. Just killed.

T-bone might not be safe. Prions are found in and around bone and in lesser amounts, in muscle tissue. Eyes are also particularly infectious.

The mad cow boards on the vegsource.com website have an excellent gathering of articles and research journals.

As Ninabi mentions, the only way for humans to get BSE (mad cow disease) is to ingest prions in the meat. But how do the cows get it? The same way. Cows that have mad cow got it because they were fed other diseased cows. Yuck.

USDA along with many other government agencies have been gutted in the last oh about 7 years. They were already running behind on staffing and such before that. Fast Food Nation (the book) has some details on how the USDA has been scaled back and more meat producers are on the honor system.

There needs to start being some serious penalties on the persons who knowingly do these kind of things, same with the Bayer situation. Suing companies just doesn't work. Facing jail time would make some of these decision makers think twice about the greed, or at least get the utterly greedy behind bars.

@DCGaymer: @CharlieSeattle: Please tell me what the HELL that is. I just ate snapper for the first/last time last night.

I put a call into this company to express my outrage at the video that was posted, and the person that answered the phone was a thug--he began cursing at me, rather than listen to the complaint. Based upon the video, and this one conversation, I think the company is not fit to operate and should be closed forever.

February 2006? As in 2 years of them running with this? This is beyond unconscionable. With all of its output halted, I can only hope that bankruptcy is not far behind. And civil suits not far behind that. They did this all for the money, so they should lose it all. And then some.

Felony offense for animal cruelty? Come on govt lawyers -- tell me there's a felony offense for endangering us two leggers too!!

I'm glad to see that the individuals who did this are actually getting charged. In too many things, the "company" gets a royal whipping, but the PEOPLE who actually did the bad things get off scott free.

Graphic video: [tinyurl.com]

Animal cruelty is just unacceptable. Unfortunately there is something wrong with absolutely everything we eat these days.

@DMDDallas:

Even fish has a lot of mercury so be careful. Buy organic fish and also not a lot. Technically you don't need to eat fish or meats at all. It was all in the past. Now its all infected with chemicals and over processed to a point where there is nothing good in the food anymore. Fish does contain omega fats but also many plants have the same molecule. And protein has many other sources as well. We are just not that mobile as our ancestors were and just end up clogging our arteries with animal fats. Animals on the other hand have a better metabolic system and for them its better to eat food raw. They are adapted for that, we are not. And besides if you start to consume more healthy fats then you will look even better than now as long as u exercise. Also avoid white sugar like a plague. And if you do, you will never get sick with any colds. As for this, it's all corporate greed. These monsters care only about money. They do need to meet their daily quota so they think so what. But, what will happen should a prion come to contact with a human. When a person eats a bad meat, not fully cooked, and that meet has animal nerve cells, the protein from the cell can attack the human nervous system and make holes in it, giving you the mad cow disease. And for a person its fatal. A slow death where your thoughts will be obsolete. As in your memory, neural net wiped out.

How bout this? If a company knowingly and willingly sells something that's contaminated, the manager of the plant responsible as well as the CEO gets life in prison without parole, if the person dies. And 10-25 if the person gets sick. Plus they get to pay millions in damages to the estate of the said dead person. And if the person doesn't die, they can get sued for negligence.

Knowingly selling a product that may kill someone is criminally negligent homicide.

I don't like contaminated meat just like the next carnivore... but cows have to be one of the funniest looking animals in the world. I can't take any article seriously that has a pic of them; I just laugh.

We could care less about kids in this country and that this company did what they did, but what is REALLY gonna piss the people of this country off is COWS being treated badly!

What is important to those in power is not that people might have gotten sick from this, but that the company not lose any profits!

When are we in the US EVER going to get mad about ANYTHING and say enough is enough? Do we are about anything?

@Techno Viking

How does one eat "organic fish"? Either it's wild caught or it's farmed. If it's wild caught it's either line caught(superior quality and more expensive) or net caught(cheaper and less expensive, but still more so than farmed). If it's farmed it's been swimming around in water with a ton of fish poop in it and being fed feed with all sorts of things like ground up fish and antibiotics in it. Farmed fish is also fattier, which leads to a more flavorful fish, but fish in general is about texture and subtlety, not a high fat content. In any case, you have to watch the fish you eat since many wild caught fish will have higher levels of toxins than are recommended. Fish that grow larger, live longer lives, and consume large quantities of bait fish to fuel their bodies(particularly fish like tuna and king mackerel, both of which are fish that cruise at high speeds) tend more towards this. Smaller fish that live shorter lives tend to have less in the way of toxins depending on their diet and where in which body of water that particular fish was caught.

Down with the evil meat empire and the companies that sacrific quality for cost effectiveness.

@Techno Viking: While I agree with you that white sugar is not very healthy, it probably does not help your cause to say that if you cut it out "you will never get sick with any colds." When people read claims like that, they tend to dismiss everything else surrounding it, even if the rest is legit.

Also, heating cannot not kill prions because they are not alive, they're just bent protein molecules. There is no way to treat BSE-tainted meat.

i read that two workers at hallmark were charged with animal cruelty. i hope the judge throws the book at them. since it's california, there's hope they'll have to serve some time for it. sounds like there's a decent chance the plant itself will get shut down. can't happen too soon.

This is the USDA's effort to say they did something.

The USDA even said that they believe that most of the meat in question has been consumed.

Chew on that!

Hm... I always thought they used circus animals in school lunches...

Make the executives eat the weeks-old ofal and intestines of the downed cows they so cheerfully fed our children. Read a response from the company, defending itself since there were no signs of sickened children. From Mad Cow, yeah, THAT'S going to happen overnight.

If someone pushing drugs - that at least make some people (briefly) happy - get decades in rough prisons, manditorily, then these people should get life.

Oh, nice to see the Free Market magically preventing these things from happening. Not.

"...and sold them to school districts across the nation."

Look, we all know it's either second-rate beef or gym mats, and as lunchlady Doris on the Simpsons warns, "there's very little meat in these gym mats".

Glad I went vegetarian for five years ago. Not that there aren't problems with bagged salads and the veggie food supply. But selling sick beef to schools, god damn.

Our wonderful government at work--more than a year late and 143 million pounds short.

I am sure that this slaughter house will just declare bankruptcy and go out of business and the company officers will "retire" with nice golden parachutes in the Camen Islands..

aren't they teaching these kids anything about business or politics? they should know better than to trust factory farmed meat. if the dept of agriculture defines their nutritional standards, mad cow disease is the least of their problems.

@Eliamias: I'd be more concerned that they've put a recall of all meat they produced since Feb 1, 2006, implying there is beef out there, somewhere, that is two years old. Nothing like feeding children fresh food.

I'm glad I'm vegetarian/smart enough not to eat the school's mystery meat. Ugh. The USDA needs to get their act together and protect the interests of the people instead of corporate agribusinesses and factory farms. This is seriously messed up.

Sounds like a good reason to quit eating meat…. How crappy is their tracking/testing system when they need to recall 143 million pounds? What else slipped through in that time? What a waste of energy and resources.

@oneswellfoop: I've seen farmed salmon advertised as "organic", but I don't think the label means a whole lot as I don't believe it's regulated for fish. In any case I only buy wild Pacific salmon (usually Alaskan).

Speaking of a waste of energy and to put things in perspective: As a quick ballpark calculation, let's assume a cow gives 500lbs of meat and each cow is 5ft long*
Therefore, (143,000,000lbs)*(1 cow/500lbs)*(5ft/cow)*(1mile/5280ft) = 271 miles of cows if they were lined up head to toe. If you were to drive that distance at 65 mph, it would take four hours.

*(Just guessing at the length of a cow. I am sure 5ft is on the low end for a cow, so this calculation gives a conservative estimate. I couldn't find a reference quickly.)

@JackHandey: Good one, though I agree that your estimate is a bit low. This website ([www.ext.vt.edu]) lists beef cattle by breed and their final weights are all above 1000 lbs. I could not find length data, but the cows I've seen up close have been pretty darn big. the sheer amount of waste involved boggles the mind.

The AP article says "no illnesses have been linked to the newly recalled meat" but they don't say that this is irrelevant with mad cow. In humans, the vCJD incubation period is 20 to 50 years. Leaving out that info is comparable to writing about millions of people being exposed to asbestos and then saying "but no one had cancer the next day."

@Christovir: Well said!!!

@Techno Viking: Organic fish, do you mean wild caught? WTF is organic fish?

If you're eating "organic" fish, you've been had. It's really farmed. Which is worse than wild caught.

[www.organicconsumers.org]

USDA Allowing Bogus Organic Labels on Fish from Fish Farms

Organic label muddies the waters

Carol Ness, San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer

Wednesday, April 28, 2004

"Organic salmon" reads the sign stuck into pretty, deep-pink fillets in
Tower Market's fish case.

Same goes at Drewes market in Noe Valley. Ver Brugge's in Oakland's
Rockridge calls the salmon "organically fed." Up in Larkspur, Yankee Pier's
menu boasts "grilled organic chinook salmon."

At $8 to $10 a pound, sales of the fish have been climbing in the Bay Area
for the last few months. With wild salmon out of season for months at a
time, consumers alarmed by reports of PCBs, dioxin and other contaminants in
conventionally farmed salmon are snapping up this new alternative.

"Any time they see 'organic,' people are going crazy for it," says Don
Dacanay, behind the fish counter at Tower Market in San Francisco.

Even when the local wild salmon season opens May 1, fishmongers predict that
prices for wild king steaks and fillets will be so high this year that the
"organic" fish will keep selling well into summer.

There's just one catch: It's not organic. Fish can't be certified organic in
the United States, because federal rules governing organic foods don't cover
fish. They only apply to crops and animals raised on land. And these fish
aren't certified organic by any other country, either.

So what's going on?

The short answer is that the "organic" fish are farmed salmon, from British
Columbia and Scotland. Their producers say the salmon are being raised in a
cleaner environment with more room to swim than most farmed fish. They get
better food; some even eat certified organic feed. They're not given
antibiotics or hormones. Chemicals aren't used to clean their nets.

Yankee Pier chef Phil Conde says, "They're very similar to free-range
chickens."

Most of what's labeled organic in local stores and restaurants is farmed
king salmon raised in Clayoquot Sound, an inlet on the British Columbian
coast, by Creative Salmon Co. The feed isn't organic, and contains minimal
amounts of grain. Pigment is added. The fish contain some contaminants. But
their flesh is bright and firm, and the fish arrive looking healthier than
other farmed salmon, Conde says.

Scottish fish

Also sold locally, in some Whole Foods Markets, is the Black Pearl Natural
Choice brand. This Atlantic salmon is raised on feed that's certified
organic in Britain in lower-density pens off Scotland's Shetland Islands,
and sold through Boston-based Martin International. Whole Foods doesn't call
it organic, but clerks can tell customers about the fish's cleaner pedigree.

In many fish markets, the salmon has become an attractive alternative since
reports about contaminants in farmed salmon sent demand plummeting.

At Ver Brugge's meat and fish market, Jerry Ver Brugge says, "We're not even
using typical farmed salmon anymore. We stopped it. After this debacle, we
put in the organic fish for $1 a pound more. We're selling just as much, and
no more controversies."

Drewes market in San Francisco sells about 80 pounds of "organic salmon" a
day. Customer Michael Laird, buying a 1 1/4-pound fillet for dinner one
recent day, explains.

"I have kids, so I am concerned about hormones and diseases cropping up in
farm-raised salmon," he says. "And it's good."

It doesn't bother him that the fish isn't certified organic by anyone.
Organic is more a general concept to him, and once Drewes' owners Josh and
Isaac Epple explained how the fish was raised, he was satisfied.

Neither Creative Salmon nor Martin International labels their fish organic,
although Creative Salmon's laminated sign, posted at Tower and Ver Brugge,
says "organic certification pending." But both companies think their fish
should qualify as organic and are pushing their governments to set standards
for organic farmed fish.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture, which governs organic rules in this
country, is also under pressure from Alaska to allow wild-caught salmon to
be called organic. So far, the USDA hasn't waded in.

Yet, "organic" is what the salmon is being called by some wholesalers,
markets, restaurants, and the people eating it.

That's OK with the USDA, spokeswoman Joan Shaffer says, as long as signs or
labels don't display the USDA organic seal, or imply that the fish meets U.
S. national organic standards.

"Because there are not standards," Shaffer says.

This stance, clarified in a USDA statement April 13, begs the question of
whether the word "organic" alone carries an implication, since the USDA's
National Organic Program went into effect in October 2002. Shaffer says the
USDA controls use of the term "organic" for crops and critters raised on
land, but not for categories that aren't covered by the organic program,
including seafood and cosmetics.

"It's kind of consumer beware," says Brian Leahy, president of California
Certified Organic Farmers.

Whole Foods has chosen not to call any fish organic, even if it's certified
by another country that does have standards.

"We don't feel comfortable with some of the overseas certifiers," says
national seafood manager Dick Jones. And different countries have different
standards.

"It's very confusing to us when seafood is labeled organic because we don't
know just what that means," he says. "We think that until it's defined, it's
also confusing to the consumer."

Some Bay Area fishmongers are more direct.

"We find it to be a crock," says Tom Worthington at Monterey Fish, a
sustainably inclined San Francisco wholesaler with a retail market in
Berkeley. He's not selling the salmon.

Using organic feed and no antibiotics or hormones "are good things,"
Worthington says. "But the real problem is what happens to the environment."

Pollution from feed and feces, diseases and the problem of escaping fish
entering the wild gene pool are the other half of the equation, he adds.
That view is held by an environmental coalition that's fighting Creative
Salmon's operation in Clayoquot Sound.

At Berkeley Bowl, fish manager Ted Iijima agrees with Worthington. And he
says 9 out of 10 of his customers are "anti-farmed fish."

"For fish, who can truly say it's organic? And who sets the guidelines for
that?