Don’t Eat Meat? 30% Of Omnivores Don’t Want To Date You

Dealbreakers come in all shapes, sizes and character quirks — and apparently, palates. In a recent survey, 30% of omnivorous, meat-eating singles said they wouldn’t date a vegetarian or vegan. Is tofu’s bad reputation among non-vegetarians to blame or is this about shared interests outside food consumption?

The survey conducted in a joint effort by the Today show’s Love Bites and Match.com polled 4,000 single in the process of coming up with the anti-vegetarian date results. As for vegetarians, they’re more open to omnivores, with only 4% saying they wouldn’t date a meat-eater.

The refusal to date a vegetarian is perhaps because couples like to share things, and love of a really great cut of steak is one of those things that needs to be shared. And that’s just biology, say the experts.

“It’s so common in the animal world to give food for sex that it’s called the nuptial gift,” explains Match.com’s chief scientific adviser, a biological anthropologist. “Mankind’s first luxury was meat, and when carnivores share food – what they are sharing is this luxury. It’s more than just cultural, it’s instinctual.”

While many meat-eaters also love a good pile of veggies, the potential scenario of your loved one eyeing up your burger with distaste is not a comfortable one. And according to 66% of respondents, picky eating in general is a turn-off, even if that pickiness leads to a healthy philosophy.

Then there’s the whole manliness factor — says the biological anthropologist, men who don’t eat meat might suffer from a prejudice that goes back to caveman days.

“I think in a lot of cultures it would be considered less manly – men used to bring home the meat, they were the hunters,” she said. “If you came in carrying a potato versus a hunk of gazelle, it made a difference. All gifts are not alike.”

I would prefer a steak gift over a whateveryoumakeoutoftofu gift. Fact.

Survey: 30% of meat eaters won’t date a vegetarian [MSNBC.com]

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  1. Tegan says:

    Aw, there’s been so much veggie hate lately. I understand that some vegetarians are evangelical vegetarians that could go toe to toe with the Mormons that hang out in my dad’s neighborhood, bu

    • Tegan says:

      Wow, I don’t even know how I submitted that. Was going to say that I promise we’re not all that way. Just because I choose not to eat meat does not mean that I give a shit at all about what anyone else wants to eat, my carnivorous fiance included. Hell, I’ll even cook him steak and things if we’re having a nice dinner at home. Vegetarians get a bad rep :(

      • 180CS says:

        That’s just it. You’re the only vegan I know who is like that. The few vegan/vegetarian people I Know will one and all stare and make comments (or get silent and stare) when I eat meat around them, or try to tell me why being vegetarian is great (hint hint hint).

        From my standpoint, you are an exception, and I wish more people where as open and not-pushy as you :)

        • VintageLydia says:

          Nah, every single vegetarian I know is like Tegan. Maybe it’s regional? I grew up in a military town so there were people there from all walks of life and if you couldn’t go along to get along, you basically had no friends–and this town also houses the headquarters of PETA, so I’ve met a ton of vegans and vegetarians. (granted, I do know OF the PETA vegans who are militaristic in their viewpoint, I’m just lucky enough to have never met them.)

        • Sorta Kinda Lucky Soul says:

          Agreed. My experience is more like 180CS’s, and I wish others would follow your example.

          • Overman says:

            I had a hippy over at a bar-b-que one year.
            He wanted me to change the grill before
            he cooked the bocaburgers out of fear of prions.
            Seriously, IMHO, he was already half brain dead
            for eating a vegitable paste squeezed into the shape
            a meat patty.
            Its not like I shape my pink slime into a carrot.

        • iesika says:

          I have been a vegetarian for 18 years, and know a lot of vegetarians. I occasionally get asked why I don’t eat meat, and if so I will explain my reasons, but I don’t go out of my way to even tell anyone I’m a vegetarian. I have never, ever met a single “evangelical” vegetarian, or even anyone who’s made visibly uncomfortable by people eating meat at the same table, and I’ve lived in places where the general acceptance of vegetarianism was good, and where it was pretty bad.

          The only wacky vegans I ever see are on the internet, and I’m never entirely sure that most of them are not just trolls.

        • MrEvil says:

          Most Vegetarians I know are Hindu and they are the least judgemental and catty (for lack of a better word) about people that eat meat. Then again, their reasons for not eating meat tend towards the more spiritual side rather than the activism/health side.

          • missminimonster says:

            My ex-husband’s family was Buddhist and several of them were vegetarian. They were similar to the Hindus you describe and didn’t make a huge deal out of it.

        • chefboyardee says:

          My experience is the same as 180CS and my region is “the internet”. Also, the suburbs of and the city of Philadelphia. It sucks, because I do know some vegetarians/vegans who are like Tegan, and I love them. But they’re definitely the minority.

          I don’t go out of my way to let people know I’m a carnivore, and I don’t understand why so many vegetarians/vegans (that I’ve met) feel it’s necessary to be preachy. Then again, maybe it’s the way of the world anymore. As the parent of an infant, I can say this: you should see the crazies that come out when you mention breastfeeding, formula, circumcision, spanking, or daycare. Everyone’s opinion is THE opinion and it’s their job to let you know.

          On a lighter note, http://i.qkme.me/3p061u.jpg

          I kid, I kid!

          • missminimonster says:

            The “mommy topics” are the WORST when it comes to people being preachy to the point of almost being fanatical. I once got screamed at by someone in a mothers’ group for having an emergency C-section. Apparently I didn’t deserve my woman card any more.

            It’s really made me appreciate my time with my childless friends lately.

          • JJFIII says:

            Actually my experience is when a person offers me a burger or some meat and I turn it down they seem offended. Then I say, “I am sorry I don’t eat meat”, their response is always “why?”. What the fuck is it any of your business why I choose not to eat something? Maybe it is physical, spiritual, political or just because I choose not to.

            • 180CS says:

              I’m sorry that the people around you are so unacceptable of your choices. I’m also sorry that you go on a PMS swearword frenzy when someone does something you dislike.

              Again, I want more people like Tegan.

              • Bladerunner says:

                1 swearword is a “frenzy”?

                Also, bonus points for the casual sexism of blaming “PMS”…

                • 180CS says:

                  I guess outburst would be more suited. Either way, you seem to be the only one who didn’t get my point?

                  Thank you for the bonus points though. I simply couldn’t resist returning some blanket stereotypical stigmatization in honor of her own.

                  • Bladerunner says:

                    I see no blanket stigmatization on the OPs part. I see hyper-defensiveness on yours, though.

            • shepd says:

              Perhaps they are asking why to determine what they can serve you instead. eg: “I’m Jewish” would mean separating meat and dairy for you. “I’m pescovegetarian” means fish, same as “I’m Catholic” on a friday. “I’m vegetarian” might mean you will enjoy eggs and milk. “I’m vegan” would imply I’ll need to bust out carrots and diet coke, because there’s not a lot left in the fridge for ya (sorry!).

              They could also be confused since they may have assumed you would tell them BEFORE they put the effort into cooking a meal for you, and they’d like to know if you have a good reason to pull that sort of stunt (I’m Catholic would be met with–WTF, Catholics can eat meat if they have to–and being rude means you have to, whereas “I’m vegan because killing animals is murder” would leave me still peeved, but I don’t have a lot of choice unless I want to be a bad host.)

        • Sarahlara says:

          It seems like the newbies are usually the loud ones and everybody else is just as normal as anybody. The newbies will probably not even be veg*n a year out. They will have found a new cause to irritate people with.

          The nicest people I’ve ever met in my life are at vegetarian festivals. Everybody is welcome, so feel free to go! It makes me a little sad to see the vitriol against vegetarians because most of them, as with any other group, don’t deserve any of it.

          • Sorta Kinda Lucky Soul says:

            No vitriol, just stating what my experience has been with the three in my company. Everyone agrees that, given my description, these would be annoying putzes and not dateworthy….unless the other person was in agreement or enjoyed being harangued.

      • BorkBorkBork says:

        “Vegetarians give themselves a bad rep.”

        FTFY

        Like 180CS said, you’re one of the few non-preachy vegetarians out there. The rest are rather insufferable.

        • JJFIII says:

          Actually it is meat eaters who are the insufferable ones. If I go to a party and I turn down their food or ask if it has meat, I am treated like I am the rude one for asking. It is the same for those who choose not to drink. I don’t know how many times I have been to events with non-drinkers and hear, “cmon, just have one”, or “why don’t you drink”. Why should a vegetarian or non-drinker ever have to explain themselves. It is as insulting a s heroin addict offering to shoot me up, then saying, oh many why not

          • 180CS says:

            Actually, equating someones personal choices for what they eat with a harmful addictive and illegal substance that destroys your body seems pretty insulting too.

            I’m sorry that omnivores are the intolerant ones where you live, but I think that if there’s one thing to be taken from this thread, it’s that different groups act different regionally. Apparently, there’s areas with nice vegans/vegetarians, and there’s areas with a-hole omnivores.

            Thanks for trying to conclusively say that one group of people is insufferable though. This debases the entire argument that this thread has worked towards, as it’s the same logic by which vegans/vegetarians get discriminated with.

            Go away. You have no purpose here.

          • Overman says:

            Your host needs to be more with it.
            Always have food options that conform to
            vegitarian, halal/kosher, and (X)-intolerant diets.
            Always have soda, juice, or water available
            for those who don’t drink or drink too much.
            Maybe because I’m old, but we call it being a good host.
            Who has a friend NOT in rehab after age 35?

      • EPICAC says:

        I know plenty of vegetarians and a few vegans, and not one of them conforms to the preachy stereotype. I think we can chalk a lot of it up to confirmation bias, you only remember the preachy vegetarians that you interact with. My wife’s a vegetarian, and since she does most of the cooking, about 80-90% of the meals that I eat are vegetarian. She doesn’t try to dissuade me from eating meat, I just don’t like cooking. Sometimes she’ll surprise me with a package of bacon when she comes home from the store.

        More importantly, I don’t think most people realize how preachy or aggressive some omnivores are towards vegetarians/vegans. It’s not an uncommon occurrence for someone who has just met my wife to go on the offensive about her vegetarianism, prodding her about her reasons for being a vegetarian, how eating animals is natural, etc. It’s surprising how threatened some people feel by vegetarianism.

        I’ve even been on the receiving end of criticism about her vegetarianism. My grandmother complained that we had our wedding at a vegetarian restaurant, she told me that I don’t eat enough meat (1-2 times), she told me that my wife will HAVE to start eating meat when she’s pregnant, and that we’ll HAVE to cook meat for our kids.

        • Draw2much says:

          I was thinking much the same thing. It’s always the loud obnoxious types we remember the most. The well mannered majority is not who we remember because we often don’t even know they are THERE. It’s the ones who complain and whine and make you feel like crap that you’re going to remember.

          I suspect how one responds to vegetarianism is entirely based on their world view. Some people tie normalcy (that which the majority does) as security, safety, predictability, goodness and anything NOT normal (the majority does not do) is dangerous, chaotic, bad. It doesn’t matter WHAT it is (it could be as simple as everyone wears black socks but you wear neon orange polka dots), it’s just the act of being different that offends.

          I would think that in places where vegetarianism is not common (or unknown), vegetarians would be given a hard time. This is to be expected (hope that doesn’t sound callous) and I think the best you can do is be as non-threatening as possible or just wait for people to incorporate you into their “normal”. And, of course, “haters gonna hate”. (There will always be those jerk wads–even in one’s own family–who just can’t get over the fact that anyone would ever *GASP* be different from them. =_= )

          I feel genuinely sorry for your wife though. When you’re that one person going against the crowd, things that ought to be simple become annoying or difficult. I’m not a vegetarian myself, but since that type of diet has resulted in delicious recipes for me to eat, I have no real problem with it. Maybe if more people knew about all the delicious food that came out of vegetarianism they wouldn’t be so quick to judge….? ;)

      • orion70 says:

        I’ve cooked meat for boyfriends and also family/friends in my own home and theirs. I know a couple of other veg’s that have done the same.

    • Ayla says:

      Slam on Mormons outta no where….WTHeck?

    • MeowMaximus says:

      I like Vegans! More meat for me! BTW, I like tofu as well, especially in stir-fry.

  2. viper2000 says:

    I wouldn’t necessarily not date a vegetarian. Unless they were a militant vegetarian or vegan.
    I love to eat meat. I’m not going to not eat meat because of the person I am with, and I’m not going to date someone that judges me for eating meat.
    If the vegetarian was cool with me eating meat, I wouldn’t let their lack of meat eating influence my decision.

    • racermd says:

      I think that’s the problem, right there. It’s the feeling of being judged – openly or silently, doesn’t matter.

  3. YouDidWhatNow? says:

    I would think it as to do with wanting a partner who makes good decisions. I am definitely an omnivore…since I’m well aware of the fact that nature knows best what humans should be eating. I also don’t necessarily mind tofu – it had better GD well be in my hot & sour soup. But I’m not foolish enough to get pulled into “veganism” or whatever, and I certainly wouldn’t want to be in a relationship with anyone who was.

    Same thing with religion, astrology, homeopathy, so on and so forth. I don’t like being around dumb people…thankfully topics like these make them easy to spot.

    • AstroPig7 says:

      Right, because healthy vegetarians don’t exist and anyone who disagrees with you must be a moron.

    • dks64 says:

      Veg*ns are dumb people? Really? I like to think I’m a very intelligent individual with a lot of great qualities. It’s okay, I don’t want to date someone like you anyway.

    • 180CS says:

      Congratulations on your successful troll bait.

    • longfeltwant says:

      Another way to say that is, couples tend to share values. If one of you values not-eating-meat, and the other values the opposite of that, then that is an unshared value. Values around food and dining are strong in humans.

    • VintageLydia says:

      Funny because one of my vegetarian friends stopped eating meat because it was making her sick. Her decision was backed up by her doctor, by the way. She hasn’t gone full vegan, and may never do so, but she does tend to avoid most dairy for the same reasons.

      Sometimes veganism and vegetarianism IS the healthiest option for an individual.

      • crispyduck13 says:

        I don’t think we’re talking about restricted diets due to allergies here. This should be a discussion about willing vegetarians/vegans. Anyone who wouldn’t date someone because of a food allergy is a different story.

    • NeverLetMeDown2 says:

      “Same thing with religion, astrology, homeopathy, so on and so forth.”

      I’m not a vegan. Far from it. That being said, if anything, the scientific evidence argues _for_ a vegetarian diet (less so for vegan), or at least sharply limiting meat intake.

      • MrEvil says:

        Thanks for playing, but the ACTUAL scientific evidence begs to differ. Humans are omnivores. Our gut to torso ratio is too low for a straight herbivore (Cows are 20:1, horses are 12:1 compared to 8:1 for Homo Sapiens), but higher than a carnivore (Cats and dogs are 3 to 3.5:1).

        Carnivores have Molars too and have to mash their meat before swallowing. Human molars are more similar in structure to a carnivore’s than they are to a herbivore molar. Also, humans have Canine teeth which are present in other species that eat meat. The only reason for their small size is the fact that we need to be able to speak through our mouths as well.

        Humans lack the digestive structures needed to ferment and process cellulose. However we also have enzymes capable of converting starches into sugars.

        Being omnivorous gives humans an Evolutionary advantage. It has allowed Homo Sapiens to adapt to nearly every climate on planet Earth.

        • wigeon says:

          Oh boy. Ok, having valid scientific facts doesn’t necessarily ensure that they’ll be used correctly. There are a few problems with your argument:

          First, humans being omnivores and vegetarian diets being healthy are not mutually exclusive. People following a vegetarian diet are still omnivores, they just don’t exercise their meat-eating capabilities. Second, vegetarians can not be usefully compared to straight herbivores because they do not have strictly plant-based diets. Milk, eggs, and cheese are of animal-origin and can be part of a vegetarian diet. Third, evolution is a forward-moving process that builds off the past, but is ultimately only concerned with survival in the present. Projecting our unchanged image into the future is just an exercise in narcissism. For all we know, canine teeth could become just as useless and vestigial as a whale pelvis someday. The point is that, today, human survival is not meat-dependent.

          I do agree that an omnivorous diet certainly helped humans gain a firm toehold on the evolutionary climb up from scavenging to agriculture and the population explosion that emanated from that. In the modern world, however, with our processed food surpluses and obesity crises, we’re not exactly dealing with the resource-scare situations that our bodies evolved to survive. Vegetarians may actually fare better in the current environment. The scientific evidence does say that vegetarian diets are associated with better health outcomes (http://usfoodpolicy.blogspot.com/2011/03/federal-governments-dietary-guidelines.html).

    • iesika says:

      I don’t see how vegetarianism is equal to homeopathy or astrology – it’s just a decision not to eat meat. We get along just fine and continue to be healthy without eating meat, which shows it’s not necessary, even if it does have a role in our evolutionary history. We’re at a point now, at least in most of the developed world, where one can easily get enough fruit, vegetables, legumes and whole grains to get all the nutrients we need. Yes, meat is very nutritionally dense, but most people in developed countries have more trouble with getting too much fat and calories, not too little.

      Vegans have a little more trouble meeting dietary requirements, and need a supplement made from seaweed to get all of their B’s (I get mine from eggs), but that’s really the only thing that can’t be covered pretty easily with a balanced, meat free diet. I’m willing to bet that any vegetarian who’s been at it for more than a year or two know more about what nutrients are actually in their food, and how their food is produced, than ten average people eating a conventional diet. We have to pay attention.

      Vegetarianism is a choice to reduce once’s carbon footprint or reduce the suffering of animals. The people who go vegan on a whim for stupid reasons usually don’t stick with it for very long, because they’re on to the next lemonade cleanse or whatever in a month or two. If the only vegan you’ve ever met was that girl down the hall in college who had a different “ism” every semester, I can maybe see why you’d have that attitude – but try doing a little reading on nutrition before making blanket statements about what nature intends.

      • Overman says:

        Be kind to animals, but “F” the migrant farm worker you exploit for lettuce.
        Cruelty don’t fly because fish feel pain, most suffocate slowly
        out of water. They just don’t have the same morphology as tetrapods,
        and don’t cry like veal.
        Carbon footprint is moot, because of the industrial fishing and shipping is
        powered by non-biodiesel fuel.
        I get all my beef and dairy from sources within 30 miles,
        and my eggs and vegitables from my yard.
        And when I kill my hen, she will be boiled with carrots, celery, and potatos
        from the same yard.
        Now I just have to deal with the mitigation of the increased nitrates from
        run off.
        Taste, health, ease- in that order.
        I gotta eat, something has got to die.

        • AstroPig7 says:

          Obviously, since there are no migrant workers in the production of meat. That is certainly an industry comprising 100% local employment. No self-contradiction here at all.

    • do-it-myself says:

      “it had better GD well be in my hot & sour soup”

      AMEN to that! +1

      I love Hot and Sour Soup!

    • JJFIII says:

      Nature knows best? So eating vegetables is bad? Is that your position? Really? Seriously? The fact you think eating meat is a default position shows what a douche you are. Every person on this planet can be fed on vegetables. Eating pigs cows and chickens are really a LUXURY. It is biological anthropology that brings about meat eating, not nature. People do it to show they are a certain status.

    • Bladerunner says:

      Nature also knows we’re supposed to die toothless and naked at 40.

  4. Sorta Kinda Lucky Soul says:

    Can’t speak for everyone – plus I’ve been married for over 30 years so way far out of the dating pool – but I work with three vegans (different departments). You get really tired of them explaining their rationale for their lifestyle, even when YOU HAVEN’T ASKED about it. With all three the words “so, what do you eat” never came out of my mouth. During introductions it was like hi, I’m Tom Tiddle, I work in shipping and I’m a vegan because I think what we do to animals is horrible yada yada.” Once I could have said fine, but this happened with almost the same script in all three introductions. Plus, they can’t stop educating me on my poor behavior when I wear leather shoes, or have a hamburger for lunch, or put cream in my coffee.

    I don’t care if you eat flowers and dress only in spider-silk undies, but quit telling me about it over and over and over and criticizing me because I choose to follow a different path and only like tofu when it’s fried really crispy and has lots of hot brown sauce and green onion all over it.

    I think that might a big reason for their omission from the dating pool for many.

    • AstroPig7 says:

      Not all vegans are preachy, though. In fact, I think I’ve only met one who was, and I’ve met plenty of vegetarians and vegans.

      • dks64 says:

        Same. I’ve met a MUCH higher percentage of preachy omnis vs preachy veggies.

        • George4478 says:

          Really? Omnivores make up a much higher percentage of the population than vegetarians so, for your statement to be true, you must have numerous people preaching to you daily about the joys of being omnivorous.

          I am skeptical.

          • iesika says:

            While the previous comment may be worded badly (and thus vulnerable to your nitpicking) I agree with the intended sentiment. I’ve never even heard a vegetarian or vegan tell someone they should change their eating habits, but I’ve had dozens of people tell me I should be eating meat, many of them hostile and belligerent about it. Most of them find out I’m a vegetarian when they ask why I am not eating a hamburger, or whatever it is they’re eating, not by me being outspoken or “preachy”.

            The majority, in whatever demographic range you’re talking about, tend to be a lot more outspoken and deliberately obnoxious to the minority than the other way around. It’s not really something one notices when one is part of the majority group, because you encounter someone from the minority less frequently than the other way around.

            Then there are the people who say “I just couldn’t do that!” in admiring tones, as if I am making some kind of sacrifice. I just…never liked eating meat, even as a kid.

          • dks64 says:

            Yes, but I associate myself a lot with vegetarians on a daily basis. 99 times out of 100, the reason my diet is discussed is because I’ve been made the butt of the joke or been jabbed at.

      • 180CS says:

        Well, I wish more vegetarian/vegans where like you then.

        I have nothing wrong with that diet choice, but most vegetarian/vegans I know look at me funny, or make comments when I eat something that doesn’t fit their dietary choices. Sometimes they’ll even tell me why something they’re eating is amazing, or why being one is so good for you, like it’s a sales pitch.

        I wish I knew the vegans/vegetarians you do, because the ones I know are annoying! :(

        • AstroPig7 says:

          It could be the area you live in. Some people just like to feel superior, and they tend to congregate like hipsters.

    • crispyduck13 says:

      This. As Tegan pointed out there are different kinds of vegetarians/vegans. If you’re a militant…anything really, you’re going to turn people off. I haven’t dated in a while either, but I wouldn’t automatically say no to dating a vegetarian, and if they were like a Tegan I’d have no problem with it.

      However, I would absolutely not date a vegan. I like to go out occasionally and relax, damn hard to do in your average town when your date is pestering the waiter about whether they can sub soy milk in their creamed corn or if they can make pad thai without egg or fish sauce. Too high maintanance for me.

      • iesika says:

        Does that mean people with dietary allergies are out of your potential dating pool?

        • crispyduck13 says:

          Actually no, as I specifically said in one of my other comments on this post.

        • shepd says:

          Depends on the allergy (As in, is it something like insta-dead peanuts? Hell no. Lactose Intolerance? They make pills for that and you don’t die), but for me, yes. Dietary allergies often follow family lines, and, frankly, I don’t need to help society make babies with problems.

          I know, that sounds harsh and eugenics-y, but it’s the truth.

          And if someone did that to me? That’s fine too.

    • longfeltwant says:

      That is despicable behavior. Put your hand in front of their face and say “I’ll ask when I want your opinion”. Turn and walk away.

    • JJFIII says:

      Yeah those preachy people like MLK who kept saying blacks deserve equal rights. Quit boring me with that bullshit, if I choose to own a few slave, what the fuck is it any of your business.

      • crispyduck13 says:

        Your comment is also why many people dislike or are not into dating vegetarians/vegans. Way to bat one for the team there sport.

    • Floobtronics says:

      I’m right there with you. Years ago, I worked with some kid who always railed on about being “straight edge” and vegan. Every sentence had a subject, a verb and something about one of those two things in it.

      While I never wished him any harm, I did take a small amount of satisfaction (which I kept to myself) when he was diagnosed with some sort of digestive condition and his doctor insisted he needed to eat at least a little meat. Within a month, he was downing cheesesteaks like a regular omnivore. It was awesome. From that point on, he was only half as annoying because he could only talk about being straight edge.

  5. There's room to move as a fry cook says:

    Vegans smell funny.

    • Mambru says:

      Also they are very pale. In my experiecne I find there are way more preachy veagans/vegetarians than omnivores, and I thought I was the only one but they have have have to bring up the fact they are vegans.
      I dated a girl whose cousin was a “vegetarian” but ate chicken and fish riddle me that one interwebs

      • dks64 says:

        Skin color is determined by eating meat? Since when? My skin color never changed when I went veg, I was always white. Are we supposed to turn black or something?

        If you’re not a vegetarian/vegan, the discussion of diet never comes up. It comes up way more often than you’d expect, even when you’re not talking about it AT ALL. I’ve met maybe 2-3 preachy veg*ns in my 8 years in the vegetarian community. Most get completely unprovoked comments on their lifestyle.

        I hate people who say they’re vegetarian when they’re not. How hard is it to stick to a basic definition?

        • longfeltwant says:

          What you eat absolutely positively affects the color of your skin.

          http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/scientists-veggie-diet-improves-skin-tone-8004

          But, if they eat veggies mostly, science would predict their skin tone to darken (for white folks).

        • libertas says:

          Pale, as in not tan. As in pasty white. Ghostly. Pretty self-explanatory.

          Tends to happen to people who don’t consume enough vitamin B or iron or are just plain malnourished in general.

          It’s a stereotype, for sure. I’ve met healthy-looking veg/vegans and plenty of pale/deathly looking ones, too. Correlation isn’t causation. But, there still can be an underlying reason that goes back to what you’re eating (or not eating).

          • dks64 says:

            I’m not tan, I don’t tan, I burn. I’m ghostly white, I have been for 26 years and I’ve only been a vegetarian for 8. I still don’t see your point. Are white people more likely to become vegetarians in the first place?

            Vitamin B and iron are super easy to get in a vegetarian diet, no harder than in an omni diet. My levels are normal (have had them checked 3 times in the last 8 years) and I’m still white. You also have to factor in that some people use a “vegetarian diet” to hide their eating disorder. I’ve seen it a few times, it gives them an excuse to deny food and not seem weird not eating in a social situation. I

          • Overman says:

            Wife got anemia when her ex-bf convinced her to turn Veg for a year.
            Sure, they were at a liberal arts school and therefore had no idea what they were doing.
            She went pale, had a loss of energy, digestive problems.
            When she got the bloodwork from the doctor the perscription was
            eat more spinach and a steak.
            Sure you can get protien from beans, but I only have to cram
            half as much animal flesh into my gullot.
            I say it is more efficient to eat meat from a local farm then to have the tomato shipped from California.
            But go ahead and destroy the environment, I know you want to.

            • AstroPig7 says:

              Exactly how would vegetarianism destroy the environment? Also, if you admit your wife did not know how to eat a proper vegetarian diet, why did you present her situation as an argument against vegetarianism?

              • Overman says:

                Food produced by industrial farms, meat or vegetable, have distructive results not just from shipping, but through fertilizer and run off.
                Since not everyone has the option of growing their own food or ready access to local produce, most vegetables are grown in warmer climates “Sun Belt” and shipped to places where humans should not live.
                I mean, they don’t even know what a REAL taco is in Alaska.
                As for the foolish actions of someone trying to be socially cosncious whithout a greater understanding of industrial food production or nutrition, my wife’s excuse is that she was dating a hippy.

                • AstroPig7 says:

                  That’s all well and good, but you haven’t answered my question. In fact, you’ve attacked everyone who eats mass-produced food rather than vegetarianism itself. You also avoided my other question.

                  I’m not trying to be rude, but is English your first language? If not, then it would explain the communication barrier.

            • dks64 says:

              So it was a poor diet that made her “pale,” not vegetarianism. Meat is actually pretty low in iron, beans have more. What’s funny is every single person I know who is anemic eats meat, including my own relatives.

  6. agent 47 says:

    I don’t care if a gal eats meat or not, just as long as she doesn’t mind sticking it in her mouth.

    • crispyduck13 says:

      Oh my, so glad Consumerist is following Gawker’s footsteps and eliminating commenter self-moderation. You stay classy over there.

      • agent 47 says:

        Hey, if they’re going to set me up on the tee like that, I’m going to swing my hardest.

        • chancyrendezvous says:

          Over the line and not funny.

          • agent 47 says:

            Hey chancy, take a hike. You’re sucking all the funny out of the room, you knee jerk crybaby.

            • belsonc says:

              And your comment brought funny to the room?

              • Fubish says: I don't know anything about it, but it seems to me... says:

                No – his lame little sophomoric (I wish there was a word like “sophomoronic”) post did nothing except illustrate knuckle-dragging illiteracy. I guess the porn chat-rooms must be offline this afternoon.

    • Fubish says: I don't know anything about it, but it seems to me... says:

      Thanks for sharing.

  7. Will Print T-shirts For Food says:

    I really don’t know how to feel on this one. I’m a meat eater. My meals focus on the meat before anything else. I have a friend who is vegetarian and I really would rather not do food-related things around her. I thought it would be a good idea to cook a really big breakfast for my friends last week. I fried bacon in the skillet, then fried eggs in that bacon grease (Ya ya, hush, I don’t want to hear your speeches right now.) But alas, I ended up having to fry her eggs first, THEN the bacon, then the rest of the eggs. Hassle! But I love her as a friend so I deal with it when I need to. I wouldn’t want to deal with it ALL THE TIME though.

    • Back to waiting, but I did get a cute dragon ear cuff says:

      Uh, I hate to say it, but she is not a vegetarian if she is eating eggs. If she says she doesn’t eat stuff that once was alive, maybe. But eggs are unborn animals and are NOT a vegetarian product.

      I HATE the people that call themselves vegetarians, but eat fish. Fish are animals. I have yet to hear someone in a game of 20 questions answer Mineral or Vegetable when thinking about fish.

      • crispyduck13 says:

        If she says she doesn’t eat stuff that once was alive, maybe.

        Well if she said that then she wouldn’t be eating vegetables either. In fact, she’d probably starve to death.

      • The Beer Baron says:

        There are varying degrees of vegetarianism. Some vegetarian diets supplement vegetable dishes with egg and dairy products. These people are generally known as ovo- lacto- or even ovo-lacto-vegetarians. So yes, it is possible to be a vegetarian and still consume eggs and dairy products. Some people’s diets do bend the rules and allow fish. While I personally wouldn’t consider a person who eats fish a strict vegetarian, I can understand why this distinction could be made for religious or health reasons.

      • longfeltwant says:

        Vegetarians don’t eat animals, but they do eat animal products; an egg is an animal product. An unfertilized chicken egg is not a chicken. What you are describing is veganism.

        Fish are animals. A person who eats fish is not a vegetarian; he is a piscatarian.

        • Fubish says: I don't know anything about it, but it seems to me... says:

          “…he is a piscatarian.”

          Or a catlick or babtis or any kind of protazan. Religion dont mean nothin when you dont eat meat.

        • dks64 says:

          Pescetarian. It’s a form of meat eating, not vegetarianism like some people believe.

      • VintageLydia says:

        Different people go veg for different reasons. If they do so because they don’t want to kill animals, maybe they don’t eat eggs. But not everyone thinks of eggs as “alive” until they’re hatched or at least fertilized (eggs you buy at the supermarket are not fertilized and therefore would never hatch.) Sometimes it’s for philosophical or religious reasons and eggs are OK. Sometimes it’s for health reasons or taste reasons, and eggs may also be OK.

        And the eating fish thing also annoys me, but mostly because there is a term for it: Pescatarian.

        • longfeltwant says:

          Whoops I bonked the spelling of the last word in both of our posts. I award you with one internet point.

          • VintageLydia says:

            I’m not even sure I spelled it right, myself. Firefox seems to think I didn’t, but tried to tell me I was saying “Caesarian.”

      • Tegan says:

        Unfertilized egg =/= an animal, born or unborn. The Beer Baron is right, this is the quote from Wikipedia:
        In the Western world lacto-ovo vegetarians are the most common type of vegetarian. Generally speaking, when one uses the term vegetarian a lacto-ovo vegetarian is assumed.

        I do agree on fish, though. If you are a “vegetarian” but eat fish, you are in fact a pescitarian.

      • aloria says:

        “But eggs are unborn animals and are NOT a vegetarian product.”

        By that logic, the unfertilized egg that hangs out in my uterus for a few days each month is an unborn baby. To follow, I have produced approximately (30-11)*12 = 228 unborn babies so far in my lifetime.

        The chicken eggs we eat aren’t fertilized, hon.

      • library south says:

        you’re not a vegetarian product

      • XianZomby says:

        “eggs are unborn animals …”

        Not unless it’s been fertilized it isn’t.

      • dks64 says:

        No, vegetarians can eat eggs if they’re ovo-vegetarians. Eggs are not unborn animals anymore than periods are spontaneous abortions. They’re not unborn animals because they’re not fertilized.

    • libertas says:

      Yaaaaay eggs in bacon grease are so good :)

      +1 paleo point for you

  8. Will Print T-shirts For Food says:

    The Islamo-Judian Anti Pork Alliance!

  9. CrazyEyed says:

    Although this article is focused on omnivores choosing vegetarians, I’d be willing to bet the stats would be even more skewed had they tested vegetarians’ ability to choose a mate.

    • EPICAC says:

      From the article:

      “As for vegetarians, they’re more open to omnivores, with only 4% saying they wouldn’t date a meat-eater.”

    • sn1per420 says:

      “As for vegetarians, they’re more open to omnivores, with only 4% saying they wouldn’t date a meat-eater.”

      way to read the post before commenting on it.

  10. Will Print T-shirts For Food says:

    My boss recently hired a chef for us who cooks us vegan meals 3 times per week. The food is GREAT! But I always feel that there’s something missing and I end up having to get my animal fix somewhere soonafter….

  11. Nidoking says:

    It’s not even really a matter of sharing food, but needing to have appropriate options available at every meal. I don’t think I could date a woman who couldn’t enjoy a meal at Five Guys with me… and I doubt grilled cheese would count if she’s a non-vegan vegetarian.

    • dks64 says:

      When I go to Five Guys with my omni boyfriend, we both order the grilled cheese. Same with when we go to In-n-out. It’s good.

      • chefboyardee says:

        I have no problem with your choice to be veg*n but what CRAZY omni goes to Five Guys and orders a grilled cheese? INSANITY!

  12. tbax929 says:

    I dated a vegetarian once. Once.

    I have absolutely no problem with someone who chooses not to eat meat or dairy or whatever. However, she was cool about it in the beginning but slowly started to make comments about my eating choices. It’s not why we broke up, but it was annoying enough that I wouldn’t do it again.

    When my current girlfriend and I were just starting to get to know each other, one of the first questions she asked me was if I was a vegetarian. Turned out, she was asking because she doesn’t ever want to date another one. I think she had a worse experience with it than I did.

  13. SirWired says:

    Makes sense… if I’m an omnivore, and I cook, I’m going to have to cook two separate things if I want meat. If my partner does the cooking, I’m probably not going to be eating meat nearly as often as I would like (or my partner is going to be pissed about making two main dishes all the time.)

    • Not Given says:

      I’m from the south. We don’t cook vegetables without at least pork or butter. Even the roast beef has to have bacon draped over it.

    • George4478 says:

      That was my first thought. I do all the cooking, menu planning, and food shopping for the family. I make one meal and it’s not vegetarian. So I would never date or marry a vegetarian; it’s be too much of a daily mealtime annoyance.

  14. Guppy06 says:

    Wouldn’t date a vegetarian, or wouldn’t date someone who felt the need to declare their vegetarianism on their dating site profile?

  15. Loias supports harsher punishments against corporations says:

    What, no stats on those on the Predator diet? If you can’t kill it, you can’t eat it!

  16. TheMansfieldMauler says:

    If you’re not going to eat the catfish I raised, caught, cleaned and fried, then you can just starve. Or chew on a twig. But you’re not getting any hushpuppies!

  17. StatusfriedCrustomer says:

    The problem with dating a vegan is that there are almost no restaurants you can go to with them. If more restaurants served BOTH meat AND vegetable dishes, there would be no problem.

  18. Sarek says:

    Back when I was in college, there was a very small contingent of vegetarians. They managed to get the school cafeteria to serve brown rice, but not much else special. (I tried it and it was pretty dry.) Back then it was referred to as “macrobiotic.” We thought they were nuts, but with current nutritional knowledge, it turns out they had the last laugh.

    I will eat vegetarian meals occasionally, no big whoop. I don’t think I could give up meat entirely. As for dating a vegetarian, as stated above, it depends a good part on how they perceive your carnivorous tendencies.

  19. aloria says:

    I was a vegetarian for 10 years, and It’d be a challenge for me to date one. One of the most frustrating things back when I didn’t eat meat was always being the “odd one out.” Friends having a BBQ? Make sure you really like that dish you’re bringing, because it’ll likely be the only thing you’ll be able to eat. If everyone wants the tapas platter, you’re either hoarding the one meatless item or the only one eating an individual entree. Sure, your friends say they don’t mind going to a different resturant because the first one they chose didn’t have any meatless options, but you still feel like a dick about it.

    • shepd says:

      We had that problem too (choosing restaurants at work) once multiple people in the office went vegan.

      I stopped going with them. Then another cubemate did. And another. And now nobody goes to restaurants at all, because us omnivores have discovered vegan restaurants suck (or, if they are good, they are either only good to those who have developed a palate for them, or they are only good in cities outside of ours).

      Well, I shouldn’t say nobody. Me and a few omnis enjoy the Pizza Hut buffet, Wings (at whatever restaurant), KFC/Popeye’s, A&W and Wendy’s a few times a week now. I hear the vegans are going to their own restaurants. Works for me. :-) Everyone is happy. Plus I don’t hear the “meat is murder” banter anymore when I’m eating, which is awesome, since I no longer have to describe how many microbes died on their broccoli, or how many yeasts exploded to make their bread.

      • dks64 says:

        Sounds like you don’t have any good vegan restaurants in your area. You shouldn’t assume that just because you’ve had a few bad ones that they all suck. I’ve been to some bad vegan restaurants, just like I’ve been to some bad omni restaurants. I hate the “earthy” type foods some places sell. Yuck. There’s a vegan fusion restaurant in San Diego called Sipz that is amazing. My burger loving boyfriend said the food was so good that he wants to drive the 80 miles again (each way) to go back. His veggie chicken was “better than real chicken.” He’s picky and he loved it.

  20. chizu says:

    Personally, I love eating, and I love trying different things. I like my food with flavours, even though I’m kind of picky with certain things, but I’m very culinary adventurous. I never dated a vegetarian, so I can’t say it’s an absolute no, I’ll never date one. (I will never date a vegan, I know that for sure.) But I have a big problem with not being able to share food, or enjoy food and the experience with other people. (It could be because I’m Chinese, we always share food with each other.)

    I have a friend, who’s not a vegetarian, but eats the plainest of the plainest food because A LOT of food irritates her. It gets to be very difficult when you go out with her because you have to consider if there’s something she can eat at the restaurant. I’d say the last few times we hung out, we went to the same restaurant and it gets boring, and kind of terrifying on my end because that’s all the options you have. (We typically have two places to go to, this noodle/rice dishes place on campus, or a diner. We probably had been to the noodle place 4/4 times recently.) You’re limited to what you can eat because either you starve this person in the group, or everyone has to try to accommodate her. We thought it’d be difficult for her to date someone because either someone else would have to eat like her, or they eat separately at all times. Her eating habit is so bad that I had two people who basically said don’t try to get them involved when we go out, because it greatly limit their choices of where/what to eat.

    I could see how some people can’t date vegetarians/vegans because it’d greatly affect their lifestyle, and limit what they can (and enjoy) eat.

  21. FiorellaMajumdar says:

    Your social media skills are awful, Consumerist. If you want readers to share your stories, your Twitter links shouldn’t come with posts that exceed 140 characters. That’s bad digital etiquette…

  22. Sarahlara says:

    I eat vegan because I know the suffering that goes into the production of meat. As a nice bonus, it’s the most environmentally friendly way to eat. If someone doesn’t want to date me for making that decision alone, then they are probably not someone worthy of dating in the first place. They sound judgmental, spiteful, and ill informed.

    I married a man who eats meat (many years later that changed; he is now vegetarian by his choice). I’m not about to judge anybody for what they eat. Most vegetarians don’t, no matter what a small minority would have you believe.

    • longfeltwant says:

      “They sound judgmental, spiteful, and ill informed.”

      “I’m not about to judge anybody for what they eat.”

    • crispyduck13 says:

      “They sound judgmental, spiteful, and ill informed.”

      Unfortunately your first two sentences kind of come off as judgemental and ill-informed. Just letting you know.

  23. speaky2k says:

    I have several friends who are either Vegan or Vegetarian and I am an Omnivore. When we visit one area in NJ, we go to a restaurant called Veggie Heaven. If you wouldn’t have told me it wasn’t meat, I would have never known, and I could eat that food all day every day.
    Now for the article, I could never date a Vegan, but I have dated and have no problem in the future dating Vegetarians. Most of the Vegan people are not doing it for health or taste reasons, they are doing it for moral reasons and seem like they need to share that constantly. Most of the Veg’s are doing it for the health reason and have no issue with animal products and have no issue if you enjoy meat. When dating and going out to eat, I have found it much more common to find Vegetarian friendly meals on the menu, usually pastas, but other than specialty restaurants, good luck finding Vegan meals other than salads because even pasta is cooked with butter.
    Please note this is my experience, any yours may be different.

  24. Gambrinus says:

    I dunno, I get this. I’m a pretty big foodie and a meat-eater, and I’ve had a hard time when I’ve gone out with vegetarians because there’s so much food that we can’t share. It’s really limiting when a lot of restaurants will only have a couple of vegetarian options, which really limits the number of places you can dine when you’re with a vegetarian. A good friend of mine is vegetarian and frankly finding a place to grab a bite with her is always a struggle.

  25. do-it-myself says:

    Food is my life. Meat is part of that food. No meat for you means you are not part of my life (as a significant other, I have a few vegetarian friends and we get along just fine).

  26. Geekybiker says:

    I wouldn’t want to date a vegan any more than I’d want to date someone extremely religious. Both are annoying and constantly try to push their views on others. Vegetarians on the other hand can be more reasonable as they tend to be less extreme. Its more a choice than a lifestyle.

  27. Tegan says:

    Man! Lots of people have opinions about vegetarians and vegans. This discussion has been way more exciting than the work I should have been doing would have been. You guys have kept my Friday afternoon interesting.

    • crispyduck13 says:

      You need to read this. It is epic and hilarious.

      • Tegan says:

        Holy crap that’s hilarious!! I’m pretty sure my coworkers now know that I’m definitely not working because I couldn’t stop giggling while reading that. Not being vegan is most definitely equivalent to child abuse, and I’m pretty sure everyone I know will need to hear this. That is, only if they can respect my morals and beliefs and not EVER have any sort of animal products in my sight. Jesus, talk about a nut job.

        • crispyduck13 says:

          Aaaand the follow up.

          I can say one thing for certain, if I were a dude I sure as hell wouldn’t date her.

          • Tegan says:

            LOL!! Agreed 100%.

            Kind of reminds me of how one of my friends ended up with his latest cat… he had taken his two daughters to the park to play on a Saturday morning when a woman asked him if he could jump her car since it wouldn’t start. He went over to help her and saw that she was pretty much living out of her car, and had two giant dogs and a cat in a little cat carrier. She asked him if they wanted the cat since she had just found it, but wasn’t sure her dogs wouldn’t terrorize it. My friend agreed to take the cat, she told him he had to make sure and ONLY feed it acorns and garlic because that’s all cats should eat. He and his girls took the cat to the vet afterwards and the poor thing was malnourished – turns out cats can’t actually live off of acorns and garlic. Story does have a happy ending – the kitty’s name is now Nacho (after apparently trying to steal some nachos) and he’s BFF with my friend’s giant basset hound.

  28. j2.718ff says:

    Tofu gets a bad name because many people don’t know how to correctly prepare it. Personally, I haven’t found anything that goes better with tofu than pork. (This is actually quite a common paring at many Chinese restaurants.)

  29. ZenListener says:

    I’d be happy to go out with just about anyone. Even a vegetarian.

  30. HogwartsProfessor says:

    I can’t stand militant anybody. So I wouldn’t want to date someone who lectured me because I ate a damn steak or a few slices of bacon.

    But I wouldn’t care if a person were vegetarian. Vegan I probably won’t end up with though, because it’s a bit more extreme than I’m comfortable with in cooking and such. But I’m open to healthier food options, recipes, eating veg more often and the like.

    When I was in Santa Cruz, one of the girls I worked with was a strict vegan hippie chick and she caught me eating an organic turkey dog one time. “Do you know what is in hot dogs?” she asked nicely. “Yes, and I don’t care,” was my smiling reply. She laughed and didn’t bug me after that. She was okay.

  31. P=mv says:

    My only concern with a spouse/other-half who is vegan/vegetarian is the fact that I can’t eat soybean. Small amounts are fine but tofu is completely out. That would make the menu difficult.

    • JEDIDIAH says:

      Glutamates in general seem to be a problem. Those of us on this side of the planet just aren’t adapted for them and this can show up as allergies. Being allergic to MSG is just the tip of the iceberg.

      I never thought myself sensitive to them until I tried to make my own Miso soup from scratch.

      I was itching for days after that.

      • rmorin says:

        Sorry, that just is not true. MSG is not an allergen and studies have found extraordinarily weak evidence that people can even be sensitive to it. When a documented researched reaction HAS occurred it was only with extraordinarily high doses (way more then you would ever eat) and only occurred without food, just when patients are given pure MSG.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate

    • Martha Gail says:

      So, you don’t eat their soy and they won’t eat your meat.

      • P=mv says:

        It would make the menu difficult, not impossible. And if someone doesn’t consider another person because of dietary choices, well, they aren’t worth it in the first place.

        • Blueskylaw says:

          I think Martha Gail may be giving us
          an example of a double entendre.

          • Martha Gail says:

            Haha, I wasn’t, but I can see how it would read that way! I’m a vegetarian, I was married to a meat eater. It was never an issue for us.

        • Smiling says:

          It is very possible. My husband used to eat meat at home, and I accommodated him. It was more expensive and a bit of overkill as far as calories etc…, but I did it to be nice. He almost never eats meat these days, and never at home anymore. We just got to a point where he liked the veggie food better and didn’t want the extra calories and fat of the meat. So, it all works out. I do still buy take out with meat on occasion for our daughter, but she eats mostly veggie too.

          I guess the main problem is if the vegetarian is the primary cook, then they have to cook something they have an ethical issue with, and make what amounts to two meals. If the meat eater is the main cook, the may not understand that side dishes are not a meal, and that vegetarians don’t like having to make due. They may also not get that chicken/beef broth is considered meat. So, they may be well meaning and make something like broccoli cheese soup, but put chicken stock in it without thinking.

    • GodfreyOriole says:

      Same here. I actually have to avoid it because4 I had my thyroid taken out and Soy stops the absorbtion of my hormone pill.

      • FigNinja says:

        I have autoimmune thyroiditis so not only do I avoid soy, but all grains and legumes. I pretty much just eat meat, eggs, veggies, nuts, and fruit with a little dairy here and there.

        I’d have a very hard time making a meal I could share with a vegetarian, but I still wouldn’t refuse to date someone I might really like over it.

    • seagramsginger says:

      I’m vegetarian and I can’t eat soy either. Not all vegetarian diets are soy based.

  32. missminimonster says:

    There are different kinds of vegetarians and I guess it depends on what type they are. I’d date a vegetarian before I would a vegan, but if they’re militant about it then I wouldn’t.

    I’ve dated people that I’ve agreed with on some issues but they were so preachy about it (namely politics) that it got annoying.

    • JEDIDIAH says:

      It’s probably the smug sense of superiority that’s the turn off.

      • Fubish says: I don't know anything about it, but it seems to me... says:

        Most vegetarians who have that smug sense of superiority (in my experience) are really temporary vegetarians and in a year or so will be omnivores again. Those who are committed and have been vegetarians for a long time don’t proselytize, brag, or yammer about it but will briefly explain their reasons if you ask. Again, this is all in my experience – your mileage may vary.

        • dks64 says:

          This is my experience too. Most of the “preachy” ones are only temporary vegetarians.

          • cspschofield says:

            I would go farther and say that, with rare exceptions, most ‘preachy’ advocates of almost ANYTHING are temporary. They flit from one enthusiasm to another, and they always want to tell you all about the latest one. The exceptions are certain kinds of deeply religious persons who feel a call to teach. They tend to follow fairly well established sects of whatever major religion they follow, and they mostly leave you alone if you make it clear that you aren’t interested.

            There are other types of ‘preachy’ persons, but they are rarer.

        • kc2idf says:

          Ding!

          I think you have hit the nail right on the head here.

          (vegetarian for 19 years and couldn’t care less if you are or not)

        • rmorin says:

          You are nearly completely right. See people like poster “Smiling” posting throughout this thread about “how dare someone ask me for my motives to my behavior!” as the caveat to your explanation.

          I’ve worked with people for years and never knew they were vegetarians. This included lunches together, departmental parties etc. and never had an idea. That is because like most people they were agreeable, didn’t preach and were overall just good people. When I did find out they where vegetarian I did ask their reasons, and when they responded, the rest of the conversation went from “Oh, okay” to a spirited discussion about the merits of eating meat. Either way it went, we all left as friends in the end. People that get offended about asking their motives, regardless of how many times they’ve been asked are really not confident in their reasons.

      • poco says:

        I’ve never met a non-smug, non-evangelical vegan.

        • cspschofield says:

          How would you know?

        • dzinn says:

          Nice to meet you :-) I’m a vegan who can’t stand smug, evangelical, preachy people and I definitely don’t want to be one (whether it’s for veganism, religion, politics…anything). Also, picky vegans are simply picky eaters and would continue to be even as omnivores. I can find something to eat anywhere. Preaching and imposing one’s beliefs suck. Live and let live.

        • kc2idf says:

          I have.

          The other day, I offered one of my co-workers a cupcake from a batch my wife had made. He’s been a coworker for probably six or seven years and up until that moment, I didn’t know he is vegan.

      • orion70 says:

        A smug sense of superiority is not exclusive to vegetarian/vegans, I’ve met my fair share of smug omnivores too who are more than happy to “educate” me on how I should be eating and why, or making snarky comments about my lunch in the breakroom. People are smug because they’re smug, not because of what they eat.

    • smo0 says:

      In my experience, vegans and vegetarians are more sexually active and healthy. They have more energy. Plus it makes everything taste better.
      Honestly, give a blowjob to a meat eater then change their diet – after about 2-3 weeks you will notice a difference.

      • Jane_Gage says:

        But their pelvic wings grind into your sides. (I’m too lazy from meat consumption to get on top.)

      • rmorin says:

        Show me a non-PETA associated medical source to ANY of this, otherwise you have nothing but placebo effect and selection-bias and should not spout such drivel.

        • kc2idf says:

          Well, what I have isn’t documented, so it doesn’t meet your requirements, but I’ll mention it anyway.

          Some years ago, I moved and needed to find a new doctor. My new doctor, in doing an initial checkup, took an examination of my lifestyle, and listed off about a dozen different things I should never have to worry about. Many of these things were tied to the fact that I am a vegetarian.

          Of course, some were tied to my being a non-smoker and non-drinker, but to hear it from an MD who is obese and omnivorous says something.

          Incidentally, he passed away a few years ago.

          • rmorin says:

            I responded to In my experience, vegans and vegetarians are more sexually active and healthy. They have more energy. Plus it makes everything taste better.
            Honestly, give a blowjob to a meat eater then change their diet – after about 2-3 weeks you will notice a difference

            What they hell are you refuting about your relationship with your doctor, unless some really weird things happened during the exam????

        • Sean says:
      • Blueskylaw says:

        “Honestly, give a blowjob to a meat eater”

        Hi, you must be new here, my name is Blueskylaw :-)

  33. BennieHannah says:

    Pescatarian here. I wouldn’t be attracted to a man who made “eating meat” a primary focus in mate selection. I work hard to keep myself fit and healthy, and I plan our family’s meals with longterm health in mind. My husband enjoys a burger or a steak now and then and eats meat when we go to a restaurant or family gathering, but he really appreciates the fact that I prepare very tasty healthy meals. I love to cook and found that eliminating meat (other than fish) from the menu made me much more creative in the kitchen. The downside is that preparing vegetarian meals requires a little more planning because you can’t simply prepare a “meat and two sides.”

    Tonight we’re having taco salads (with spiced black beans in place of meat) and fresh corn and poblano chowder.

    Tomorrow night is vegetarian shepherd’s pie, roasted asparagus and peach and blackberry cobbler.

    On Sunday, it’s catfish po boys and coleslaw, and I’ll make several soups, marinated salads and sandwich spreads, and cook a pot of beans that can be used for various recipes throughout the week.

    • Fubish says: I don't know anything about it, but it seems to me... says:

      Is a Pescatarian like being a Babtis?

    • Overman says:

      THIS!!!!
      Gets me so angry.
      You know seafood is the most unregulated, unsustainable food source available.
      Factory trawlers indescrimantely destroy fish runs, and hatcheries dilute the gene pool
      by introducing limited stock.
      Pescatarians who don’t eat meat for ethical reasons are liken to
      people who recycle their plastic bags but pour motor oil into a river.
      I’ll be happy when the FDA aproves vat made meat tumors.

      http://consumerist.com/2006/12/cloned-meat-info-roundup.html

      • Hungry Dog says:

        Oooo thanks, you just reminded me to pour my old motor oil out. I might have to find a new lake, all the animals at my current one are looking quite sickly. I don’t want to catch whatever they are getting.

      • TheMansfieldMauler says:

        I can honestly say that’s the first time I’ve seen a non-financial argument against fish hatcheries.

        Seafood in the US is highly regulated and very sustainable. The problem is that many countries ignore existing regulations or choose to not implement them, even when they are in place by treaty (see Italy re: tuna; Japan/China re: everything).

        There are other issues in the US, but most of them have to do with lack of USDA enforcement and with NOAA stupidity.

      • longfeltwant says:

        A diet of 100% tiger would be less sustainable than seafood.

    • Such an Interesting Monster says:

      So you’re cool with it cause your man bows to your food demands and you, on occasion, allow him to break the rules if he’s been a good boy.

      Cause honestly, this wouldn’t fly with me. I eat what I want to eat. I would never allow someone else to dictate what I can and cannot eat. And I, in turn, would allow my partner to eat what they choose to eat and not attempt to influence their dietary choices.

      • iesika says:

        I doubt she’s dictating…just cooking things she wants to eat. If he doesn’t want to eat it, he can cook his own food. There’s nothing wrong with that, either.

        I hate this idea I seem to be picking up that only women are vegetarian, and men only go along with it to make their high maintenance bitches happy. I know as many male vegetarians as female – probably more. Some are married to women who eat meat. It doesn’t seem to influence their relationships very much.

      • Martha Gail says:

        Where does she say she’s dictating anything? I’m sure if he wanted to eat meat, he would and if it were truly a point of contention between them, they would have broken up long before getting married.

        • BennieHannah says:

          Ha! I don’t “let” my husband do anything. He does what he pleases, eats what he pleases.Just came back from a solo kayak trip to the Keys. He just loves my cooking — and the fact that it’s primarily healthy is a bonus. At 54 he’s at a fit weight and has a great cholesterol level. Both of his brothers have had cancer, one cholorectal, which required a complete colostomy. They also all have a blood clotting disorder. Forgive me if I worry about his risk factors for both cancer and stroke, and that I take the extra effort necessary to try….try…to minimize his risks. We’ve been married for 27 years, and I want him to be around for a long time. I also want to be attracted to him for….sexy business…and I like that he’s still a good looking fella with a nice physique.

          As for the fish, many of our family members are fishermen and women, so we get a lot of free fish. I refuse to be shamed about seafood. No matter what food choices you make someone will decide you aren’t doing it “right” — or not right enough. I don’t care what anyone else eats. I’m just trying to do what’s best for me and my family.

          • wootbot says:

            You come across as perfectly reasonable.

            I tend to prefer non-meat dishes. My partner tends to prefer dishes with meat. We’ve honestly never had an argument about it.

            If either one of us is cooking something like pasta, then we might decide to take some sauce out of the pan for me before adding meat to it for him.

            It’s no big deal as long as nobody is being militant about it.

          • Smiling says:

            My first inclination is to make fun of pescitarians, but honestly, I can’t b/c it is very clear that you consume less meat overall and eat a lot of vegetarian meals. To me, even one veggie meal a week is a step in the right direction. You seem to have several per day, which does a lot to save animals, the environment, and your health. I am glad that there are people like you who are cutting back on animal protein.

            • orion70 says:

              This is how I feel about things. It’s harm reduction, and any step in the right direction is a good one.

          • orion70 says:

            I come from a big seafood culture and while I am completely vegetarian at home, a couple of times a year when visiting family at holidays, or if I’m traveling, I’ll have some fish as a treat. I still consider myself a vegetarian and don’t give a crap about what other people think about my identification as such.

            I did once meet a vegan though who wouldn’t “allow” her boyfriend to eat meat at home or anywhere else. She was pretty militant all round, and every conversation seemed to revolve around her diet or what other people were eating. She lectured me on eggs at the breakfast table. I can’t imagine being in a relationship with anyone who came right out and said they weren’t “allowing me” to do something whether it’s eating something, buying expensive coffee or too many shoes.

      • RxDude says:

        I am a man who eats what he wants to eat. If my honey is gracious enough to make dinner, whatever she makes is going to be what I want to eat. She’s pretty clear on what types of food I don’t like (not much) and I know I can forage for myself if I want to. I do appreciate that she makes healthy meals. When we want to indulge, there is a wide variety of restaurants where we can get tasty food prepared without regard to calorie or health concerns.

      • Smiling says:

        I’m am sure he is free to cook his own food if he doesn’t like what she makes. If my husband wanted to start eating meat at home, he certainly can feel free to go to the store, buy it, bring it home, and cook it himself.

    • Tenacity says:

      I just can’t figure out how you have the time for for all the work, shopping, and organization this must require. “Several soups?” That’s a ton of work.

  34. matlock expressway says:

    “And that’s just biology, say the experts.”

    Sounds like a pretty grand post hoc justification.

    On the other hand, it would explain why so many animals refuse to copulate when they see their potential mate eating a plant. “Ugh”, they say.

    It’d also explain why so many women are turned on when men come home carrying bloody slabs of raw meat in their mouths. “Why the hell do you keep bringing me flowers?”, they say. “Raw meat or GTFO!”

    Now where’s my doctorate?

  35. iesika says:

    I’m guessing you’re only encountering the crazy vegans on the internet because they are the only people posting in the forums you frequent about being a vegetarian. I follow a lot of cooking and recipe sites and blogs, and all the vegetarian discussion happening there is about making substitutions, nutritional content, and converting recipes.

  36. RogalDorn says:

    The problem with having conflicting diets that are so far from each other are, Its hard to find a place to go out to eat that you’ll both enjoy. One person will have lots of choices on a menu while the other has 2. The other thing is vegetarians and vegans are often smug about their diet that it’s a turn off. And would rather not deal with any of that.

    I would love to have the same palate as my SO so we could share in the same meals. But I don’t care for vegetables, they are not appealing to me at all. With all the seasoning and ranch dressing, it cancels out any benefit, I’d rather go hungry.

    • I look at both sides of the story says:

      “I would love to have the same palate as my SO so we could share in the same meals. But I don’t care for vegetables, they are not appealing to me at all. With all the seasoning and ranch dressing, it cancels out any benefit, I’d rather go hungry.”

      How long would you go hungry? An hour, a day? I’m fairly confident that after a week or two you would literally (not virtually) eat ANYTHING.

      It’s easy to say that you’d go hungry with a full stomach.

    • orion70 says:

      How is your picky eating any different than a vegetarian forgoing meat?

      I’ve known a couple of people who were so restrictive within their “omnivore” diets that they were almost like adult toddlers (I’m not saying you are). I’m talking eating nothing but the same meals over and over again, making “ewww what’s THAT” comments at the dinner table etc.

    • blueman says:

      Yes, it’s just IMPOSSIBLE to find a restaurant with both meat and vegetarian options these days.

  37. eldergias says:

    People can eat whatever they want, but as an omnivore, I would never date a vegetarian. In large part because many times it would limit my own eating options. I have several friends and family members I do not enjoy hanging out with because there are specific types of food or restaurants we simply cannot go to due to their dietary “requirements”. When it is not an issue I am of the mind that there are two types of vegetarians: the people who don’t like the taste of meat and everybody else.

    I freely admit, no one has to answer to me, but when I look at these two groups, I automatically respect the people who don’t eat meat because they don’t like the taste, since that is pretty much how all people operate: I don’t like the taste of this thing, so I choose not to eat it. All other vegetarians have a reason/justification as to why they don’t eat meat (religious, health, lifestyle, eco-friendly, ect) For me to respect this choice, the person needs to have a logical and rational internally-consistent reasoning behind their decision, if they do I fully respect that. If they don’t (“I don’t eat meat because the sky is green!”) then I do not respect these people at all.

  38. tidomonkey says:

    It depends entirely on why he or she is a vegetarian or vegan. I don’t mind dating someone who doesn’t eat the same foods as me, but I don’t want to hear everyday that I shouldn’t eat meat because it’s cruel to animals. If you want to avoid meat because you don’t like it or think it’s healthier and don’t bother me about my choices, then it’s fine.

  39. shepd says:

    It could be because people like to share food.

    Or it could be because almost every vegan/vegetarian has been in-my-face about it. No way I want to live with that for the rest of my life. Uggggh…

    Count me in that 30%. Surprised it is so low, personally. Must be a lot of people out there who have had positive experiences with vegans, but I’ve known a half dozen and it is definitely a bummer to be around them.

  40. emyaeak says:

    The only thing that really truly seriously frustrates me about my wonderful husband is that he is a picky eater. Obviously it’s not a deal breaker, but we argue about little else but food. Our “truce” is that we basically eat out every day or fend for ourselves. We cook/prepare a meal to share only a handful of times per year, and I’m almost always disappointed for the blandness and lack of variety Who wants to eat pizza, hamburgers, and chicken every day of their life? Not this girl!

    • Draw2much says:

      My Dad was picky about food too, in the worst ways. He pretty much liked things boxed, canned, and highly seasoned. Fresh fruits? Fresh vegetables? WHAT ARE THESE THINGS YOU SPEAK OF? He got better as an adult, but he still won’t touch broccoli and turns his nose up at home made mashed potatoes.

      My husband was super picky about food early on in our marriage too! Then we got stationed in Japan and he discovered if he wanted to eat when he was off base he had to try *new things*, often *not knowing* what, specifically, said things were. This really opened him up to new varieties of foods. (He eats sushi now, the raw fish kind!) He’s much more likely now to try something before he turns his nose up at it.

      Maybe you just need to send your husband overseas for while? I say South Korea or Japan is a great place to start! ;)

  41. chloe says:

    So, let me get this straight . . .

    Omnivores are almost 10x likelier than a vegetarian/vegan to refuse to date someone based on their choices regarding food. And vegetarians/vegans have to justify why they’ve made their choice to your satisfaction, based on a set of rules you’ve semi-arbitrarily made up, before you’ll respect their decision . . .

    But *I’m* the one who is “smug” and “preachy” and has an “annoying” “evangelical” “sense of self-superiority” about my choice?

    Gotcha.

    • Conformist138 says:

      I think you read into that way too much. No one said there was no respect or even dislike. It’s about romantic relationships. It might seem unfair, but mate selection is filled with arbitrary conditions and rules that are unique to each person. It’s no more noteworthy or unfair that omnivores tend to prefer other omnivores than fit people generally preferring other fit people. It seems the only difference is vegans/vegetarians say they are shunned for a healthy choice instead of an unhealthy one. But no one said attraction was that fair (and not every vegan/vegetarian diet is automatically healthy, anyway).

      As a heavy woman, I simply had to understand that the deck is stacked against me and it’s not the fault of the people who aren’t interested in me because I’m a larger size. Welcome to the “Life’s A Bitch” club. Let down the defensiveness and you might find it’s not as bad as you seem to think.

      • chloe says:

        Less than 5 posts above me . . . “For me to respect this choice, the person needs to have . . . If they don’t . . . then I do not respect these people at all”

        I actually don’t really care why people do or don’t choose to date me or anyone else.

        What does get old though, is this – I’m vegetarian, and I do not, and have never, cared what other people eat. Most other vegetarians I know feel the same way. When we have our secret meetings, we absolutely do not sit around and talk about omnivores behind their backs. But I can’t remember the last time that I showed up to a backyard barbecue with a pack of veggie dogs without somebody testing me to see if they’re willing to respect my choice, or insisting that they’re stupid, or whatever. I’m a good enough sport that I just blow it off, but, yeah, constantly having to defend yourself gets annoying.

        Omnivores, if your experience is that the vegetarians you’ve met are being “smug” there’s a good chance that the word you’re thinking of is “defensive”. It’s been my experience that you care way, way, way more about what’s on your plate than I care about what’s on yours.

        I’ve never once seen a vegetarian confront any omnivore about what they’re eating without the omnivore being the one to start the confrontation. But, of course, if I respond to you by telling you that I like what I’m eating, or that I feel healthier when I eat like this, or (when I’m really pressed) that I have some personal ethical or emotional reasons for my choice, then I’m the one being an ass.

        If you guys genuinely are really tired of getting a smug attitude from vegetarians, and it’s not just something you’re making up based on something you saw on tv once, try not making it an issue. 99% of the time, it’s your issue, not theirs.

        • shepd says:

          Well, I’ll be honest, as an omnivore, the attitude you’re presenting certainly wouldn’t put you in the “include” group. If you have to be defensive each time we go for dinner, it’s going to be a pain in the ass. And if you gave up the defensiveness with me alone, it’ll be an embarrassing pain in the ass when it’s meals with other people.

          • chloe says:

            But I wouldn’t have do be defensive each time we went to dinner if every dinner didn’t start with “wouldn’t you prefer a cheeseburger? do you think it’s gross that I’m eating this? you know that because harvesting wheat kills bugs, that means what you’re doing isn’t a valid choice, right? your food looks yucky, why don’t you have a steak? our bodies need meat!”

            I was raised vegetarian, so I’ve had some time to learn to deflect this constant need that omnivores have to comment on my food reasonably gracefully (usually just by trying to change the subject). But I can see how someone that’s new to it might have a harder time.

        • Smiling says:

          This, this, this. I am a vegetarian and most people I know don’t even know that about me. Even when I go out to eat with people, they generally don’t notice, and I certainly don’t volunteer it. The only time I tell people is if they are trying to get me to eat meat and they basically push me into telling them. Then, they want to know why. I get quizzed, they basically try to make me defend my choices, tell me how they could never give up meat, etc… They list every possible meat and ask me if I eat it. They ask me what I eat, as though there isn’t an entire world of food outside of meat. I get quizzed about my protein, iron, and every other nutrient as though the person asking has a perfectly balanced and healthy diet and isn’t 30 lbs overweight. It is exhausting. It’s gotten to the point where I just tell people that I won’t worry about what they eat and they don’t have to worry about what I eat. I come across as a bitch that way, but at least the conversation doesn’t have to center on my diet every time someone finds out I am vegetarian.

          • rmorin says:

            Get over yourself. You have a diet that is not the norm. People are gonna ask questions.

            If I told people I didn’t eat “X” category of food, people would ask questions. Your “X” is meat. Accept that you are not the norm and be prepared for inquisitive minds.

            • chloe says:

              It’s not the norm, but it’s hardly exotic. Hell, everyone on the internet apparently has a pretty strong understanding of it and opinion about it.

              And questions from inquisitive minds are fine. I get questions every now and then, and I’m happy to answer them. But I don’t usually get real questions. I get challenged. There’s a big difference between a curious “Is it hard to get enough protein without meat?” and an incredulous “How could you possibly be getting enough protein?”

              The former is fine and deserves and (gets) a kind answer. The latter is rude, and there’s apparently no way to answer it without being smug, usually because the person asking it has already made up their mind about vegetarianism and vegetarians, and they don’t really want an answer, they just want me to know that they think I’m doing it wrong.

              • rmorin says:

                AHAHAHAHA you have to be kidding me!

                A rude question is “Why the hell don’t you eat meat you wuss?!”, not “How could you possibly be getting enough protein?”. If you get offended at the latter, once again, you are simply not confident in your own logic.

                I’ve had spirited conversation with co-workers with topics such as religion, which are WAY more important then diet and at the end, we agree to disagree and remain good friends and co-workers. If you are comfortable with you behaviors and views, YOU DON’T CARE IF PEOPLE CHALLENGE IT. You REALLY need to understand that.

          • I look at both sides of the story says:

            “Then, they want to know why. I get quizzed, they basically try to make me defend my choices, tell me how they could never give up meat, etc… ”

            I can’t drink alcohol (migraine trigger). Every now and then I get quizzed as to why I don’t drink which puts me in an awkward position. Am I an ex-alcoholic? A religious nut? Morally superior? I haven’t figured out a better way of explaining than telling the truth — it gives me migraines which leads to further questions. Really, I don’t want to discuss what goes, or doesn’t go, into my mouth.

        • Coelacanth says:

          I’ve never once seen a vegetarian confront any omnivore about what they’re eating without the omnivore being the one to start the confrontation.

          I’m glad that’s been your experience, but it hasn’t been mine. I’ve known a few people immature people who’ve goaded vegans and vegetarians. On balance, however, it was always the vegetarians trying to convert onmivores. (It didn’t help that I went to school near San Francisco.)

          A close friend of mine directly confronted me on numerous occasions when we met up to spend time together in college. Personally, it’s not an issue to me whether someone’s a vegetarian, vegan, or anything else. Instead, she’d be the one to start the conversation whenever I ordered a dish that happened to contain meat. She became a vegan because of her position on animal rights, and never failed to mention that as somebody who loved animals, how could I be such a hypocrite to continue to be anything but a vegan myself. I never *once* criticised her lifestyle.

          Instead, she’d be the one who’d go so far as saying upon greeting me the next time by saying, “Have you given any further consideration towards becoming vegan?” (The answer was, of course: no.)

          Fast-forward a few years, and guess who had no problem whatsoever eating grilled chicken. :)

    • tbax929 says:

      It’s the smug attitude that has made most of us omnivores decide we’re better off without dating vegetarians. Stereotypes are such for a reason. If you’ve read the comments, you’d see that most of us have, at some point, attempted to date a vegetarian or vegan. You’d also see that it doesn’t usually work out so well.

      • Smiling says:

        Trust me, the feeling is mutual for many of us. A lot of omni’s are insulting and ask really dumb questions. They try to sabotage vegetarians, and generally show little respect. They make diet the center of every conversation for whatever reason, then accuse us of being preachy. It gets old. I don’t want to talk about my diet. I don’t want to talk about anyone else’s diet. I just want to eat my food and be left alone. This is why I wouldn’t date an omni if I were single. II also would not date a preachy vegetarian, although I have never met one of those in person. Most veggies I know don’t talk about it much, if at all. Omni’s are far more concerned about it than we are.

        • rmorin says:

          You’re not very self-aware. If we were co-workers and I told you “I don’t eat foods that are green”, you would not ask me a follow up question? You would just take it as that and not be curious about my motives? I don’t think you would, I think you’d ask me, it is human nature to be curious.

          Not everyone knows about your justification for being vegetarian. Mostly because motives vary vastly between people. If you are comfortable with yourself and motives, you would not care that people were asking about them. Instead you seem to get offended and have the attitude “HOW DARE PEOPLE QUESTION ME, I’M A PRECIOUS SNOWFLAKE AND SHOULD NOT HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS!”

          • rmorin says:

            And FYI, I don’t care if people are or are not vegetarians. I have worked with people for years (including many sharing many lunches with them) before realizing/figuring out they are vegetarian, because they are just agreeable, non-preachy people. When I do realize they are, and ask them why they choose to live that way, they give me their answer and then we continue on with our meal and our relationship. It is not that big of a deal and they do not mind sharing their motives. If people get upset when you question their motives, then that is a red flag that they are self-conscious themselves.

  42. Corinthos says:

    I wouldn’t care if they didn’t try to convert you. Every vegan i know tries to get you to eat what they eat. I’m not bugging them to eat steak.
    I did stop seeing a girl because she ordered stuff special in restaurants. I think we went out to eat about 15 times and every time she ordered stuff special and it wasn’t like”no ketchup” special, it was can you substitute this for this and cook it this way. It was mainly because she was always a bitch about how she ordered it. Usually caused a scene when they got it wrong but she was the one who chose the place so maybe she should have went to places that served stuff she liked.
    Most the vegetarians I know are cool though. Can barely tell they are vegetarian until you are out and they ask about what oil things are prepared in. They have even eaten meat by accident a few times but not made a big deal about it. This vegan I knew accidentally ate something with meat in it and went and made herself throw up and started crying. Unless its an allergy or something then get the F over it.

    • Conformist138 says:

      I agree about the emotion. That is where I draw the line. That speaks less to a dietary choice and more to an anxiety disorder (or, at that level, even an eating disorder if they are so consumed with controlling their food). I live with a normal, not-crazy vegan and it’s no big deal since we just leave each other alone in the kitchen and prepare our own meals. I think most of the animosity comes from the types who refuse to live with omnivores because no meat can enter their kitchen or shun dishes if meat was once cooked in them. The minority who feel their restriction trumps the liberties of the people around them and want that kind of control over their surroundings seem to be the most vocal and give everyone else a bad reputation. It’s unfortunate that there’s nothing the normal vegetarians and vegans can really do since all we want the others to do is shut up about it already.

    • Smiling says:

      Thank you for saying that about vegetarians. Your experience is closer to the truth. I never volunteer that I am vegetarian unless I have to. I have accidentally ordered a veggie soup that had chicken broth, and I just dealt with it. I have accidentally eaten a small piece of meat that inadvertently ended up in my food, and I just dealt with it. I have been to dinners where the only option was side dishes, and I dealt with it. Most other vegetarians I know are polite and non-confrontational. They don’t preach. Generally, if you don’t make our diet an issue, we won’t make yours an issue.

  43. Draw2much says:

    Welll…. I guess that depends on why you view vegetarianism as a negative. If it’s because you view that way of eating as disgusting or evil or stupid, then you’re a jerk. But if it’s because you view it as a life style choice that you’re not comfortable compromising on, then that’s just… welll…. normal.

    One of my criteria for a guy was he had to be a nerd. If he wasn’t a nerd, no matter how nice and wonderful he was in other areas, I wasn’t gonna go with him. The reason being that I didn’t wanna be intimate with someone who did not understand my nerd-self. (I was already isolated because I was a nerd, I didn’t want that isolation in a boy-girl relationship on top of it!)

    I don’t think “normal” guys are bad, they’re just not for me. Other nerds would be fine dating non-nerds, but that’s just not something I was comfortable compromising on. I wanted someone to connect with me on that level, understand that part of myself.

    In the same way, I don’t view vegetarianism as bad either, it’s just not for me. It’s an area where I don’t want to compromise and I don’t want someone ELSE to compromise either. In my point of view, it creates unnecessary conflict within a [serious] relationship. That doesn’t make it bad. It’s just not something I’m interested in dealing with, though other people might not have any problem at all.

    • JEDIDIAH says:

      If it rises to the level of an *ism then it’s going to be a point of conflict because it will be made so. It goes beyond more than mere habit or preference and becomes a sort of dogma.

      Conflicting dogma is bad news if you ever intend to marry the people you date.

  44. Ayla says:

    Tried to reply to Tegan directly but comment posted randomly on another comment so I’ll post here:

    Tegan, slam on Mormons outta no where…WTHeck?

  45. Powerlurker says:

    Two reasons: I’m not making two dinners, and it gets tiring when dinner out turns into a game of twenty questions.

  46. JANSCHOLL says:

    Vegetarian of 35 years. Hubby will eat anything. I don’t serve anything with eyeballs in my home as food. If he wants meat, etc he knows where the steakhouse or ribs place is. Married 40 years this October. I was edging toward vegetarianism when we met and ate fish on first date. If he didn’t like it, he knows where the door was then and now. I am cheap to feed and cheap to clothe (no leather, furs etc). What more could a guy ask for monetarily? Oh, and I am a very good investor. All that money we saved by not eating dead animals at home? Ha, way better than you could imagine.

  47. RayanneGraff says:

    Its probably due to the reputation that vegetarians/vegans have gotten of being self-righteous twats. Vegetarians usually aren’t too bad, but no need to ever ask if someone’s a vegan, cause they’ll tell you. Oh, they’ll fucking tell you. People who are veggie due to health reasons or out of love for animals are fine, but I couldn’t put up with a preachy vegan who gave me “the look” every time I drank milk or had a chicken strip. Also, I have a pretty low tolerance to soy, so we’d probably have to prepare our meals separately. More than just a couple ounces of soymilk is guaranteed give me intestinal cramps & hot farts for days. That said, Ted Nugent-esque meat-eaters are far worse than preachy veggies. I could never date a guy who hunts or is proud of how many animals he eats every week. It’s just gross & I couldn’t imagine sharing a bathroom with someone like that >.<

    • Jane_Gage says:

      The one that likened a bee colony to slaves on a plantation was priceless.

    • orion70 says:

      I don’t eat meat and I actually don’t have a big problem with hunting. I have respect for people willing to look their food in the eye before they kill it, rather than thinking it magically shows up on a styrofoam plate in the grocery store.

  48. EvanMax says:

    ‘sokay, I don’t want to date any of them either.

  49. Smiling says:

    I don’t see how this is a big deal. I am a vegetarian and if I were single, I would never date and omni, and know others who feel the same. I can understand not wanting to date or marry people whose food preferences are so different.

    It’s not just omni’s rejecting vegetarians, it goes both ways.

    • I look at both sides of the story says:

      “I don’t see how this is a big deal. I am a vegetarian and if I were single, I would never date and omni, and know others who feel the same. I can understand not wanting to date or marry people whose food preferences are so different. ”

      If you were single, I think you’d be unwisely limiting your choices. I know couples where they peacefully co-exist; they respect each others differences.

      Extrapolating this argument, ever see the dating advertisements? Must be fit, sexy, young, non-smoker, non-drinker, non-drug user, healthy with no diseases, [left/right] politically oriented, vegetarian, steady worker preferably with advanced college degrees, [religious/not religious] oriented, no criminal record.

      Do I really want someone who’s a mirror image of myself? Yes, I’m being hyperbolic.

  50. sweaterhogans says:

    I was a vegetarian for 11 years, and even then I never wanted to date a vegetarian man. Perhaps I had the non-manly notion in my head, but I never expected to or wanted to convert anyone. I never demanded anyone cook my food before their meat so juices don’t infect my food nor did I freak out when roommates cooked meat. I was a rarity, but given the militancy of a lot of vegetarians and vegans, I can see why no one would want to date them.

    My cousin, who is a vegetarian, married a meat eater who now isn’t even allowed to eat meat in his own house. Call me old-fashioned but, yeah, I think a guy who can’t eat what he wants or tell his wife she is nuts is majorly weak-sauce.

    • I look at both sides of the story says:

      “I was a vegetarian for 11 years”

      Why the past tense “was”?

      • sweaterhogans says:

        I always liked the taste of meat so becoming a vegetarian was really difficult for me. As I got older, it became more difficult to be a sociable, healthy adult with this eating problem. Plus, I remembered how delicious meat was. Seriously, I’ll never give it up again.

  51. odoketa says:

    This article, and many of the commenters, seem to suffer from a false premise: they seem to think that food matters.

    Some people like food. Some people don’t. Some people have ‘weird hangups’ (in my immediate circle, I can think of people who don’t eat meat, who don’t eat vegetables, who don’t eat crunchy things, who don’t eat squishy things).

    I have to be reminded to eat. If I get hungry enough, I grab the nearest edible object and shove it in my mouth until the hunger stops.

    My wife is a vegetarian. She cooks vegetarian at home. I eat it. Hunger gone: me happy.

    One of the biggest travesties in the West is that we murder vegetarian cooking. Turns out like half the planet eats veggie, and eats very well. Indian, Thai, Japanese all have these amazing things called ‘spices’ that make vegetables – and even tofu! – taste really good! Why North American vegetarians eat twigs is beyond me.

    You’re all welcome to your opinions – but it’s a great big world out there, and lots of it tastes good – even without meat.

  52. Snowlilly says:

    So the dark circles under my eyes, excruciating migraines, and debilitating fatigue I get when I consume MSG, even unknowingly, doesn’t really exist? That’s funny, cause my family members are usually able to tell when I’ve been MSG’d before I even know it just by looking at my eyes. And each time I have had symptoms and verified ingredients after eating, I truly had been MSG’d. Now that I am careful to avoid it, I have not had any of these issues. But my sensitivity to MSG must be untrue, huh?

    • Snowlilly says:

      Sorry, forgot to quote which comment I was replying to.

      “July 7, 2012 7:21 PM
      Sorry, that just is not true. MSG is not an allergen and studies have found extraordinarily weak evidence that people can even be sensitive to it. When a documented researched reaction HAS occurred it was only with extraordinarily high doses (way more then you would ever eat) and only occurred without food, just when patients are given pure MSG. “

    • Powerlurker says:

      Do you get them when you eat mushrooms, real soy sauce, Parmesan cheese, or seaweed? If not, then your symptoms are either psychosomatic or caused by something else.

    • I look at both sides of the story says:

      “So the dark circles under my eyes, excruciating migraines, and debilitating fatigue I get when I consume MSG, even unknowingly, doesn’t really exist?”

      Of course those symptoms don’t exist. It’s a conspiracy. /s

      I can tell when my friend has consumed MSG. She gets all this weird, raised purple-red blotches on her skin which I point out to her. Other far more nasty symptoms follow. She must be faking.

  53. MarkB_ says:

    Turning this statistic on its head, 70% of meat-eaters would be open to dating a vegetarian. The 30% are likely to be particularly narrow/small-minded people who hold similarly narrow/small-minded attitudes in other areas of life.

    As for eating meat being “manly”… well, this is utter nonsense. I wrote something about this a few months ago after reading a news story which made this claim: http://mb27.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/some-thoughts-on-meat-vegetarianism-and.html

  54. WasteOfTime says:

    Most people specific criteria about what they put in their mouth….food or otherwise. Inverse correlation?

    People feel judged by some vegetarians and vegans, that’s the turn off.

    Vegan and male = vegan women think you are sexy particularly if you are chubby. No joke.

  55. uh2l says:

    There are plenty of picky non-vegetarians that people date and have to accommodate. Anti-vegetarianism is rampant and this is just another form of it.

    http://uh2l.blogs.com/things_ive_noticed/2006/03/unjustified_res.html

    I’m veg. and have dated some non-vegetarians. One thing I know is that I’m healthier than probably 90% of non-vegetarian guys my age. I’m not militant about my vegetarianism and there are always places to eat with both good veg. and non-veg. food, (especially ethnic ones.) In fact, I’ve found that places that make good vegetarian food make great-tasting non-veg. food according to my friends who eat meat.

    Just look at some of the vegetarian dating sites out there and see how much healthier, younger looking, and thinner the women are compared to ones on a mainstream site like match.

  56. frankrizzo:You're locked up in here with me. says:

    We had a couple vegetarians on one of our ball clubs. CONSTANTLY injured. Way more than any of the meat eaters.

  57. dirtleg says:

    What a strange thread this is. I never realized there was such dating discrimination based simply on what one eats.
    Be that as it may; we eat far more vegetables than we used to as it makes it much easier to lose weight and keep it off. Meat dishes tend to have extra cheeses, sauces and other wonderfully fattening additives (I’m staying away from the MSG argument). We are quickly approaching 60 and it is getting harder every year to keep in decent physical shape. Diet and more exercise are things we can no longer take for granted. Seems to be working. We are in pretty good shape for a couple of middle aged specimens and we hope to keep it that way. We still occasionally enjoy a big fat steak or some BBQ ribs, but only a couple times a year. Moderation and discipline seem to be the key. On the subject of the article though, we don’t seem to have any issues with our vegetarian friends or the organic foodies either (They cab be another whole subset of food snobs ,with all due respect of course).

  58. amgriffin says:

    My personal experience, and yours may vary, is that people who CHOOSE “special needs diets” – whatever form they may take – tend to be sanctimonious and boring. From the tedious dieter who describes in excruciating detail every mouthful they’ve consumed that day, to the insufferable superiority of the privileged localvore organic food nut who disdains the “ignorant hoi polloi” who are not as erudite in their repast, to the virtuous vegans and vegetarians or even the impassioned dumpster diver sourcing their food from what others throw away and all the other shades and forms of this creature in between, there is nothing more tedious than listening to them wax rhapsodic about their food choices and how their eating habits make them a better, more superior individual and, most irritating, how their choices are right for everyone else.

    If your someone who genuinely has food intolerance, allergies and disorders that force you to give up many foods, you deserve the same compassion that one would show someone undergoing chemotherapy when they speak of their debilitating side effects. It’s not your fault. It’s the folks who choose to create their elaborate food rules that make me stabby. When cornered by one of these folks I just get this glazed look in my eyes and start casting about for some means of escape.

    The people with the most elaborate food rules are the ones most willing to discuss them ad nauseum. (Pun totally intended.) It’s a form of self-importance and it’s a clear and distinct signal that they are deeply wrapped up in themselves. Run away as fast as you can.

  59. Mambru says:

    Funny, after reading the comments you get some interesting points

    1. I’m a very tolerant vegetarian, I just tell my wife/husaband nothing with eyeballs is allowed. Kinda sucks if in my own house I am forbidden to eat what I like
    2. My hus/band/wife can eat meat but he always comes home for a healthy meal. I love those comments when they automatically thin meat = unhealthy.
    3. just because a signifcant other accomodates to the other’s doesn’t mean they “saw the light” and now he/she misses eating meat.
    4. eggs are animal products, last time I check Youcan’t plant and egg and expect it to grow

  60. giax says:

    I don’t eat meat, and I don’t generally want dead (or alive) animals on my plate.
    But my husband eats meat – when he wants that, he can cook it himself (and he’s a good cook).

    I have not eaten meat for over 20 years, and I’ve never used the food preferences as a criteria for selecting boyfriend, fiancé or spouse. I was vegan for years and it felt good for my body’s need – yet it was a disaster for my social life as I lived in a place where too often you get chicken and sausages when you order vegetarian. So I got back a bit, being just a vegetarian (and with my husband even more back; occasional seafood and eggs too). Now I have much more social life options when we go out to eat: we never eat in “white people foods” places. Sichuan, Korean, Japanese, Hmong, Nepalese… we eat foods from around the world. Why go out to eat if you’d eat the same stuff out that you could cook as well home?

    However, two food related things would influence my dating decisions (if I was still single); 1) I hate food nazis of any kind. I don’t care if you’re a vegenazi or a meatnazi – enjoy what you have on your plate, and let everyone else enjoy whatever they have on theirs. Anything else is rude, and I don’t like that, and 2) food adventureness: if you eat just boring americana foods, burgers, TGIF, IHOP etc, and in white people chains when you go out, no, I would not want to date you, no matter what sort of omni/meat/vege/nomnivorousness qualities you do process.

    Both being a food nazi and/or a boring eater would probably be a turnoff for me. The boringness can sometimes be remediated, if one is willing to try other foods (most people are), but if the food (or drink) nazi tendencies would stay as they are, I’d be gone. Most of the boring eaters I’ve met tend to be omnivorous/meat eaters.

  61. TravelWithDignity says:

    The objection might come because of previous exposure to a “I’m-Better-Than-You” attitude from a vegan.

  62. hornet says:

    “And according to 66% of respondents, picky eating in general is a turn-off, even if that pickiness leads to a healthy philosophy.”

    Spot on.

    I’ve never met a vegen or that did try and “convert” me.