Feds Deport Record Number Of Immigrants

The United States gave away a record number of its poor, tired, hungry and huddled masses in the fiscal year that ended in September. According to the director of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the agency deported nearly 400,000 illegal immigrants, adding that more than half of the deported had convictions of felonies or misdemeanors.

The AP notes that those crime rates may be inflated by the counting of those who committed felonies by re-entering the country after being deported. ICE didn’t distinguish how many of the convicts had been previously booted.

The Department of Homeland Security Secretary says ICE is focusing on corralling criminals of various sorts, including fugitives and repeat border crossers, as well as recent illegal entrants.

Those on both sides of the immigration issue criticized ICE’s numbers and practices. A politician critical of White House immigration policy speculated that the 400,000 figure was too high and included those who volunteered to leave the U.S. without penalty. Meanwhile, an immigration activist leader said many crimes deported immigrants are convicted of are rinky-dink, such as for having broken taillights or polarized windows.

ICE deports record number of immigrants in year [AP via Richmond Times-Dispatch]

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  1. dolemite says:

    So the felonies and misdemeanors are in addition to the laws they broke circumventing our immigration system and sneaking into the country illegally? Good riddance then…obviously they have little respect for the law in general.

    • Coffee says:

      The AP notes that those crime rates may be inflated by the counting of those who committed felonies by re-entering the country after being deported.

      Um…not necessarily. For all we know, more than half of them are felons because they tried to reenter the country.

      • ChuckECheese says:

        Apparently illegal immigration isn’t a crime anymore – that’s why it doesn’t count.

        • Coffee says:

          My response was to dolemite’s post, which reads: are in addition to the laws they broke circumventing our immigration system and sneaking into the country illegally?

          I was simply pointing out that no, the felonies and misdemeanors might not be in addition to the laws they broke illegally immigrating. They may be the only laws these people have broken.

          • Loias supports harsher punishments against corporations says:

            True, but ….so? They entered the country illegally, which is a felony. They committed a crime, and are not citizens. They should be returned to their country of legal residence.

            • Coffee says:

              What is your point, Loias? Read the comment sequence. I was responding to dolemite, who misread the article. I wasn’t taking a stand, pro or con, on illegal immigration.

              • ChuckECheese says:

                Y’all need to chill out. Badg, I have no issue with your comment. But a lot of people have the impression that illegal immigration isn’t a “real” crime. Come to Arizona and you’ll see what I mean. We’ll have chimis and beer.

                • Kate says:

                  And your point is what, that illegal immigrants always commit crimes and those who are legal residents never do?

                  You’ve never gotten a speeding ticket? I know extremely few people who have never committed an illegal act.

                  • Coffee says:

                    I know 100 people…96 of them have committed illegal acts and 4 of them are liars.

                    • axhandler1 says:

                      Or, as Scott Adams predicts about the future: “In the future, police will have the technology to catch 100% of criminals. Unfortunately, we’ll realize that 100% of the population are criminals, including the police.”

                    • smo0 says:

                      Love it – and very, very true.

              • Loias supports harsher punishments against corporations says:

                I guess I dont see the point in arguing over that at all. Seems a moot point given they aren’t legal residents.

                • Coffee says:

                  Look, I’m not trying to be an asshole here, but Dolemite’s entire premise is factually incorrect.

                  Assumption*: All the deported immigrants committed crimes in addition to their immigration.
                  Inference: Therefore, they have little respect for the law in general.
                  Conclusion: They should all be deported. Good riddance.

                  *Problem: Per the article, the initial assumption is not correct.

                  I’m not trying to enter a big debate here, but if we’re going to have an opinion about something, it’s important that the assumptions that frame those opinions be accurate. If I say I want to outlaw guns because they kill five million people a year in the U.S., and you quickly point out that that’s not the case, then I say, “Meh…they kill some people, so I don’t see the difference,” that’s not really much of an exchange.

                  • Loias supports harsher punishments against corporations says:

                    Not disagreeing at all. I’m just saying the argument isn’t worth talking about.

                    His final comment “obviously they have little respect for the law in general” would be true whether or not they broke laws beyond the federal violation of illegal immigration.

            • huadpe says:

              One does not need to enter the country illegally to be an illegal immigrant. Working when you’re on a student visa, or overstaying a tourist visa are also immigration violations, but not crimes.

      • Cat says:

        “those crime rates may be inflated by the counting of those who committed felonies by re-entering the country after being deported. “

        Umm, a felony is STILL a felony.

        • Coffee says:

          Read the comment to which I was responding, Cat. Note the inclusion of the words “in addition” in dolemite’s post. Take a sip of coffee, and have a nice morning.

    • ChuckECheese says:

      This general disregard for the laws of their host country is one of the reasons people are concerned about illegal immigration. There is disregard for immigration laws, and disregard for employment laws, and disregard for maximum occupancy laws, etc. Living beneath the radar means these immigrants deliberately don’t participate in the larger society and its institutions. If you live in an area with many undocumented immigrants, the entire social fabric becomes distorted.

      • squirrel says:

        Depends on the laws. When we discuss “illegal immigrants” most people pretend they are a faceless teeming mass, but know in the back of their heads everyone is mostly talking about our southern neighbor, Mexico.

        The big irony here is while Mexico demands an open border policy with the U.S., they have implemented their own draconian immigration policy on their southern border. It turns out they don’t like illegal immigration either and they could not care less about the rights of those who cross their southern border.

    • Cat says:

      Is it racist if it’s true?

    • u1itn0w2day says:

      Where were programs and/or initiatives like this in the past. This should not be news it should be in the normal course of business.

      Just the fact that half of these illegal border crossers use false id which would be criminal fraud offense for most citizens why wait. Kick em out now.

  2. maxhobbs says:

    I live in South Carolina so I am LOL at your choice of using a picture of “South of the Border”. At least I don’t live anywhere near that hell hole!

    And it always cracks me up, all our talk about stopping drugs, protecting our borders, can’t have toe nail clippers on a plane, yet people can so freely come across our border, just kills me.

    • ChuckECheese says:

      That sign looks a bit … goatse, no?

      • MaxH42 thinks RecordStoreToughGuy got a raw deal says:

        I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought that.

      • maxhobbs says:

        “South of the Border” is the cheesiest tourist trap you will find anywhere.

        http://www.thesouthoftheborder.com/

        It is on I-95 just as you leave NC and enter SC.

        • Anna Kossua says:

          Extremely cheesy tourist-trap, but I love that place!

          Interesting fact: Ben Bernanke, the guy from the Federal Reserve, grew up there in the town of Dillon, SC. He even worked at South of the Border as a young person.

          (There’s gotta be a joke in there somewhere, but darn if I could find it!)

    • El_Fez says:

      Yeah, I was about to say – so they’re deporting people from South Carolina?

    • The Salty Dalty says:

      I was also laughing when I saw they used a picture of that sign. Somebody made a documentary about that place and it’s pretty interesting, but now that place is just creepy.

    • StarfishDiva says:

      Best part, the last time I went, I scooped up a boat load of trucker hats that say “S O B” at the top. Gave em out at a family reunion cause I’m classy like that.

    • RandomHookup says:

      From what I’ve seen, it’s not all that easy to cross the border. Lots get caught, some die and it’s a pretty rough (and expensive) trip. It’s sort of a Darwinian test to see who really wants to be here.

  3. pop top says:

    “Meanwhile, an immigration activist leader said many crimes deported immigrants are convicted of are rinky-dink, such as for having broken taillights or polarized windows.”

    But if they’re illegal immigrants, haven’t they broken serious laws before those?

    • r-nice says:

      Exaaaaactly…

    • Hi_Hello says:

      Actually the same law are being used to deport legal immigrant who had broken any law. From my community, there are refugees from the Vietnam war who have committed something small when they are a teenager.

      10 years later they own a business, have a family and is a productive member of society. Most of them go back to a country they left when they were kids and don’t even know the language.

      You rarely hear stories about it though.

      I don’t see the point in misdemeanors… but even if misdemeanors weren’t part of it, there are people who got drunk, urinated in the street, get charged as a sex crime and get deported.

  4. FreeMarketFan says:

    Just enforce the laws we already have and get a system in place to verify status when filing for employment.

    You hire illegals you get fined, big time. Then there are no jobs for said illegals and then they leave under their own free will and go back to their own countries.

    I have no problem will legal immigration – our nation is a melting pot. And being a foodie I love food from everywhere , so I don’t want to kick everyone out. Just the illegals. Now if you’ll excuse me I think I want some Pho for lunch

    • sir_eccles says:

      While many people would agree with a seemingly simple answer to such a complex problem, it is worth remembering two points:

      - a large majority of the people working illegally actually form a major cog in the country’s economy.

      - the 9% unemployed in this country don’t seem interested in doing the hard backbreaking work in their place (see labor shortages on farms in Georgia and Alabama).

      • Oranges w/ Cheese says:

        Your second point is something I’ve been thinking about. In a lot of recent comment threads on here and elsewhere, people have been saying “Well after WWII we didn’t have any problems, lets just go to war..”

        Well, let’s see – we also had THE DRAFT, so quite a large proportion of the people sitting around without jobs would have them. And there are jobs out there to be had, but we’ve gotten to a point that either the pay is too low or the work is “too hard.”

        When I was laid off from my job in 2008, I took a job at a call center because I was bored out of my mind, it left my days open for interviews and other applications, and mainly because it would net me about $200 more than unemployment. Still didn’t pay my rent though.

        • ChuckECheese says:

          That second point has a lot of hidden assumptions.

          Ag work has to have a large population nearby to do the work if you’re going to be able to staff the jobs. And there will be boom and bust cycles. A certain amount of unemployment exists because there aren’t the right people where the right jobs are at the same time. You can’t expect people from Colorado to travel to Alabama to pick tomatoes, then go back again – travel is expensive. Our entire society is based upon having a “place,” and responsibilities tied to that place. Maybe we can all become Okies again, pulling handcarts to wherever the jobs are.

        • Puppyclaws says:

          Also a lot of people died, which helped the economy along wonderfully. War no longer works like that, thankfully, and can thus not ‘help’ society along by eliminating hundreds of thousands of potential job-seekers.

      • ChuckECheese says:

        Maybe the problem is that the way the work is performed and the conditions of said work need to be improved enough so that the jobs appeal to a broader section of society than illegal immigrants. Maybe work needs to be dignified enough so that it doesn’t attract only the desperate. It’s true – Americans like being able to use the bathroom at will and having basic safety precautions on the job and a living wage. And in order to circumvent these things, farms hire people who live outside our culture, and who have nolegal rights so that they won’t complain. Stop blaming people for being shiftless and start looking at what’s actually being offered. And quit blaming people for being hungry because they won’t eat a shit sandwich.
        Honestly, people with silly arguments like yours are a reason society is going down the toilet – all you can do is harp about the rights of business to extract every last penny from everything and everybody, but you have no concept of what constitutes a good life, and you don’t seem to value human beings enough to care about their fair treatment. Do you really want the US to become a low-wage 3rd-world cesspool of sharecroppers? That’s what you’re advocating. And if the trend doesn’t stop, everybody will be affected – the middle class is already squeezed.

        • Oranges w/ Cheese says:

          Americans like being able to use the bathroom at will and having basic safety precautions on the job and a living wage.

          DUDE. You can’t do that. What the fuck would happen to their profit margins. Come on, have some sense.

      • Cat says:

        - a large majority of the people working illegally actually form a major cog in the country’s economy.

        It’s a broken cog, and needs fixing. If people wouldn’t hire them, there would be no problem.

        - the 9% unemployed in this country don’t seem interested in doing the hard backbreaking work in their place (see labor shortages on farms in Georgia and Alabama).

        A bunch of people leaving their employment and quickly moving away guarantees at least a temporary labor shortage. If there’s a job, and people are hungry enough, they will do it. An if the pay is too low to attract enough workers, then THE PAY IS TOO LOW, period. (It’s called a “free market”.)

        • Hoss says:

          Yup, broken. Easing immigration in general fixes it.

        • Kate says:

          Unfortunately, if you free market it, it means that because other countries pay crap to farm workers, that would make it cheaper to buy food from other countries rather than this one.

          Hence the American farmers stop farming – now you have a country totally dependent on foreign countries for food.

          Not a good thing.

          See, you gotta keep going on how stuff works. You don’t get to stop at step 2, because reality doesn’t stop at step 2.

        • physics2010 says:

          During the great depression they went and created jobs. The jobs were basically shit manual labor jobs, but it meant people got paid, and slowly the economy turned back around. It certainly didn’t hurt we had a few wars along the way to help out. However, any of those types of jobs that you create today would just be taken up by illegal immigrants. All of those public works projects basically created construction jobs, right? Laying cobblestone, building roads, dams, etc…

    • ChuckECheese says:

      Funny thing about the Vietnamese … They were mostly legal immigrants. The US had post-Vietnam-war visa policies to allow them to resettle here, subject to certain restrictions. Among those restrictions was that they had to live in certain parts of the country for a considerable period of time. Lots of them ended up in TX and OK.

      I agree there’s nothing wrong with immigration, but there’s a problem with the way it’s happening now. It’s now uncontrolled, resettlement is uncontrolled, and since the immigrants are undocumented, there is no way of tracking them until they’re picked up by the law. That’s why some places have passed laws allowing police to check the immigration status of people they pick up (BTW I know a white Canadian who got cited under this law – she was speeding and didn’t have her papers on her) – there is no other way of locating these immigrants. But for some reason some people think we should just sit back and enjoy all the illegality and immigrationality of it.

    • MrEvil says:

      I’d say force those employers to also fork over back-pay if they paid illegals less than minimum. However, in MANY jobs performed by migrant labor the pay is already better than minimum even if the laborers aren’t here legally. Veggie farms in Colorado and Kansas can’t keep staffing levels up at $10/hr and most of the non-migrant laborers won’t last a full day of working in the field.

    • Coffee says:

      I can’t see how prohibiting business to use illegal immigrants could result in any problems:

      http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mobile/?type=story&id=2016507956&

      Do you like vegetables and fruit? I hope not.

      • deathbecomesme says:

        Then all of those people who picket with signs of “quit taking jobs!” get to nut the f*ck up or shut the f*ck up. Finally

  5. TheMansfieldMauler says:

    an immigration activist leader said many crimes deported immigrants are convicted of are rinky-dink, such as for having broken taillights or polarized windows

    So…that means they were driving. Which means they either went and somehow got a drivers license (unlikely), or they were on the roads with no license (likely). Also, failure of illegals to purchase minimum liability insurance coverage is a huge HUGE problem in border states.

    Activist leader, whoever you are, I’ll be glad to let those “rinky-dink” violators stay when the USA has gone one full week with not a single case of an illegal with no insurance causing a wreck.

    • FyreGoddess says:

      If someone is in the country illegally, they’re not going to be allowed a driver’s license, nor will they be able to get insurance, since they won’t have any of the documentation required to do so.

      If you want illegal immigrants to purchase insurance, you have to first come up with a way for them to do that. When New York was talking about allowing illegal immigrants to get a driver’s license, people flipped out because it would (they claimed) legitimize their presence in the US.

      So the general consensus is that it’s better for the illegal immigrants to not be able to access services like the DMV, and not be able to purchase insurance, than to do something about the uninsured drivers who are already here.

      • TheMansfieldMauler says:

        False. Illegal immigrants can buy auto insurance if they choose to do so. You don’t have to have a drivers license to get insurance. In almost every state, it’s perfectly legal for insurance companies to sell policies to illegals, and there are plenty of companies that do so. They’re called “nonstandard drivers” in the industry.

        When I bought a motorcycle and got insurance, they asked if I had a motorcycle license. I didn’t have a motorcycle endorsement on my license. They simply sold me a nonstandard policy that cost a little more.

        You have made some assumptions that are false.

    • Reno Raines says:

      Right because no wreck has ever been caused by a citizen without insurance.

    • Coffee says:

      Some states that rely on illegal labor are taking steps to remedy that:

      http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2010/jan/utah-gives-illegal-aliens-special-driver-s-licenses

    • cyberpenguin says:

      Here in New Mexico, you are not required to show proof of citizenship to get a driver’s license. All you need is proof that you live in the state. An electric bill, cable bill or lease is sufficient.

      Governor Martinez recently called a special session and one item was a repeal of the law that prevents MVD from issuing licenses to persons in the country illegally. The session ended with the bill stuck in committee.

  6. pinkbunnyslippers says:

    Good riddance. Coming here illegally marginalizes the efforts of all those people, like my mother for one, who spent lots of time/money/resources to come here the legal way.

    Instead of spending $10k American to, I don’t know, get some shady “doctor” to graft you new fingerprints so that you can come in here without repurcussion, try putting that $ towards building your new LEGAL American life.

  7. atthec44 says:

    The haven’t deported enough.

  8. Sorta Kinda Lucky Soul says:

    Although it’s been said many times, what part of “Illegal Alien” isn’t sinking in. Doesn’t matter if the offense is jaywalking, they’ve already committed a major crime by coming here without proper authorization.

    I have no problem with what’s going on in this story. In fact, if we can stem the tide of illegal entry we can scale down the ICE and other agencies taking our tax dollars for activities in enforcing the rules. Carry on!

  9. GoSpursGo says:

    If they want to come here, they should do it the legal way. Pay the same amount of taxes, fees, etc. My parents immigrated here, legally. Why shouldn’t Mexicans have to do the same? If they want our shitty jobs so bad, take them. Make sure you have an I9 though. Also, how are illegal immigrants supposed to purchase car insurance if they can’t get a license? They need it most of all since they like to pack 6+ in a two door coupe.

    • Xmar says:

      Your parents immigrated legally? Awesome.

      How did they do it? & does anyone from Mexico have the same option if they are not rich, being sponsored by a major corporation or famous?

      • Sorta Kinda Lucky Soul says:

        Anyone can apply to enter the country. Work visas are available. You just have to prove that you have a job to come to, won’t be a burden to the US economy and have no criminal past. If you can’t meet those criteria why would we want that person in the US in the first place?

        • LanMan04 says:

          You just have to prove that you have a job to come to, won’t be a burden to the US economy and have no criminal past.
          ————–
          Then why aren’t the majority of farm workers legal immigrants? Obviously there are plenty of jobs for legal immigrants if said jobs have to be filled by *illegal* immigrants because of the shortage of legal ones…right?

          PERHAPS it’s because businesses LIKE hiring illegal immigrants because
          (a) they avoid paying payroll taxes,
          (b) they can pay the works far less than minimum wage, and
          (c) they can treat the workers like virtual slaves because they know the workers are in danger of being deported if they’re “found out” or exposed, and have no prospects of finding a “real” job because they’re undocumented, essentially giving them no other options other than virtual slave-labor (well, other returning to their home country, which is even worse, otherwise they wouldn’t have left in the first place).

          This is like blaming slaves for being slaves. The problem is businesses hiring them. No jobs for illegal immigrants = no illegal immigrants.

      • George4478 says:

        Dept. of Homeland Security (DHS) reports 1,042,625 legal, permanent-status immigrants last year. Over 138,000 came from Mexico. 270,000 came from other Caribbean and Central/South American countries.

        Are you claiming that they were all rich, famous, or sponsored by a corporation? Or, instead, did they follow the rules and apply for permanent-status?

        • RandomHookup says:

          They fit into two categories:

          1) Were sponsored by their families who are already here in the US (including those marrying an American)

          2) Were company-sponsored. That generally means they are college-educated or highly skilled (think Mexican soccer players in the MLS).

          Mexicans aren’t eligible for the Green Card Lottery.

          I’m guessing most of that number is family sponsored, but still…the opportunities for the kind of people who are coming here illegally are few. There aren’t many options (other than some farmer worker visas and those require return) to enter the US for less-than-HS-educated laborers without an in-demand skill. You get to come to the US because of demand for your skills or your family is here.

          The people who enter the US illegally aren’t going to be eligible to “get in line and wait”. They are poor, uneducated and desperate. That doesn’t make it right, but that’s the reality of the situation.

        • Alberto says:

          You forgot to add 1 thing. The wait time to be family sponsored if you are mexican/indian/chinese/you get the idea, is around 17+++++ years.

          So yes, of those 175k mexicans that came here LEGALLY, their wait time was , well…judge yourself…

          In other words, the answer to “why don’t those filthy immigrants come here legally?”, long story short, there is no REALISTIC way to do that, unless you have a Master’s degree or PHD AND a job offer in the U.S.

          Source: I am a legal mexican immigrant living in the U.S since 2006, so any questions about how good/bad the immigration system is, feel free to ask me.

  10. Hoss says:

    So as a result, you got some really tiny countries seeing felons put on their streets with no record of crimes. In some of these countries the only clue of where they came from is that they now have residents robbing for material goods where that is not usual in their culture

  11. quirkyrachel says:

    What does this have to do with consumer issues? In fact the tags for the post (illegal immigration, deportation, crime and punishment) aren’t related either.
    (I know, I know, I’ll get put on the Consumerist watch list for this and my comments will have to be reviewed for the next 5 years as retribution, but screw it, I work in immigration law and I don’t come here to read on what I see 50 hours a week, darn it.)

    • Hoss says:

      It certainly does not conform with their 501c3 charter, I’m sure.

    • GoSpursGo says:

      They skirt mandatory car insurance laws, therefore raising the price for the rest of us.

    • George4478 says:

      Next time you buy a computer, make sure the mouse has a scroll wheel or the keyboard has page up/down buttons. Then, you can go right on by a story you’re not interested in without being forced to read and comment on it.

    • msbask says:

      Yet interestingly enough, you not only read it, but stopped to post.

    • u1itn0w2day says:

      ILLEGAL ALIENS affect the economy and you everyday with pricing , politics and job oppurtunities. They also commit crime like fraud anytime they use false documentation. I know people with Hispanic last names who have their ID stolen at least 3 times.

  12. SheTastesLikesCigerecxh says:

    Is ICE stepping it up in Phoenix, AZ? I lived there for about a year in 2004. It was insane how visible illegal immigrants were. Any time we would go to Home Depot in our work truck, it was surrounded by illegals, asking for work. The vast numbers of illegals in Arizona definitely facilitate and sort of ‘utopian’ lifestyle, where people can live rich lifestyles on the backs of these people.

  13. SheTastesLikesCigerecxh says:

    Is ICE stepping it up in Phoenix, AZ? I lived there for about a year in 2004. It was insane how visible illegal immigrants were. Any time we would go to Home Depot in our work truck, it was surrounded by illegals, asking for work. The vast numbers of illegals in Arizona definitely facilitates a sort of ‘utopian’ lifestyle, where people can live rich lifestyles on the backs of these people.

    • Kate says:

      Yeah, if contractors didn’t find it so easy to use illegals, you wouldn’t find all these people expecting to get some work that way.

      I just had a contractor build a shed for me. That’s what he does now, build sheds all by himself. He used to have a big contracting business but he couldn’t compete with all those contractors who wouldn’t pay a fair wage to a legal worker and didn’t want to pay unemployment taxes.

  14. scottboone says:

    Where to start?
    First off, it is, under current US law, a crime to enter the US without prior authorization (papers) or by circumventing an established immigration entry point (crossing the border in the middle of the desert). In fact, it is illegal to enter the country WITH papers (even a Passport) in the middle of the Arizona desert. That is the law. It has been the law for a really long time. It is unlikely to change for quite a while. Momentum and all.

    Second, the Obama Administration (as did the Bush Administration prior), has made it very clear that they have directed ICE to target criminal aliens (that’s a legal term, folks) as a priority…so it is unlikely that many of those felonys where for prior deportation considering it is much more likely that the reason you’d be in custody is for suspicion of committing a crime rather than suspicion of illegal immigration (and there isn’t an easy way to -suspect- someone of illegal immigration under current law in most states).

    Third, if, as the both the headline of this posting and of the article states, the immigrants were deported, they were and are, by definition and through Due Process, ILLEGAL ALIENS. Once they either entered the country illegally or committed a crime while here legally, they became “illegal aliens”. If they were legal immigrant residents, they’d not be deported. Immigrants were NOT deported, aliens were deported. There is a legal difference that obviously neither the AP nor Phil Villarreal wish to come to terms with.

    Finally, expecting visitors (or potential visitors) to your country to follow the rules is not racist. Just as asking a guest to leave my house if I found him packing his car’s trunk with the beer from my fridge is not “racist”, or sending people back to where the came after breaking into my house through a window is not “racist”. Are there “racist” people in this country? You bet. There are all kinds of dirt bags in this country, and, thankfully, they’re free to their stupid, misguided opinions. But that does NOT mean that everyone in this country who does NOT agree with an open border, open migration policy is racist…it likely, in fact, means they are sane. That also does not mean those people are mean spirited, or do not care about the plight of others in other countries. Instead, it means that they likely would rather concern themselves with their own governance problems and would prefer the folks in other countries do the same and stop horning into our affairs…especially seeing as how many of the horners-in are escaping governance problems to begin with. We aren’t ignoring you completely, we’re just busy at the moment.

    The fact that this issue–the manner in which we unnaturally increase our country’s population–has become such a hot-button thing really rather bothers me. On one hand, it seems such a no brainer: “We’ll let people in, but please follow our rules. And yes, we know they’re kinda arcane, but still, we ask that you follow them. If you do, you’ll get some great benefits.” On the other, that such vitriol is mustered over such a basic request is so puzzling that I refuse to believe it is a result of an inherent unfairness of the request itself. It is simply too illogical.

    • NoLongerALurker says:

      Thank you for posting such a logical argument. I, too, hate that whenever the discussion of illegal immigration comes up eventually the accusation of racism comes up. So, in the end we end up never discussing it at all and that doesn’t help anyone.

      • RandomHookup says:

        Well, for some people, it easy about the more obvious population of folks from south of the border, not recognizing that illegal immigrants come from all over. When the focus is on “they won’t learn our language”, then it’s all about race & ethnicity.

    • Kate says:

      The problem is, when you only legally focus on the poor people that are just are trying to survive, you enable the abuse of those people, because they become too frightened to appeal to the authorities when they become literally enslaved which happens frequently. That the poor immigrants are the popular center of anger from one party well known for their racists attitudes rather than the rich companies that create the situation, well, what would your conclusion be?

  15. Scamazon says:

    Or so they say… The funny thing is that no matter how much they pay, no one wants to actually do those jobs… Partly because we have raised a bunch of spoiled self entitled kids on distorted scripted reality TV…

  16. Peggee is deeply offended by impetulant, pernicious little snots disrespecting her and violating her personal space at Best Buy. says:

    Meanwhile, an immigration activist leader said many crimes deported immigrants are convicted of are rinky-dink, such as for having broken taillights or polarized windows.

    I think the crime here is driving without a legal license.

    • SheTastesLikesCigerecxh says:

      This kind of scares me, the fact that they might not have proper training on how to drive a car, and some cannot speak or read english. I agree that driving without a license is serious. It’s not ‘rinky-dink’

  17. kataisa says:

    “Feds Deport Record Number Of ILLEGAL Immigrants”

    Fixed it for you.

  18. mcgyver210 says:

    You know they are called Illegals for a reason, They aren’t here legally so they are CRIMINALS taking jobs & benefits they aren’t entitled to period no matter how it is sugar coated.

  19. Yo Howdy says:

    Things sure have changed a lot in this country since Charlton Heston could pass for a Mexican.

  20. BelleSade says:

    It’s not just mainland US that has so many illegal immigrants. Puerto Rico, for example, is full of illegal Dominicans, because it’s easier to come illegally to your neighboring island than to continental US. Same problems as illegal immigrants in the continental US; crime, a stupidly high amount of influence in politics, etc.