App Helps Harassment Victims Spread Info About Creeps

Imagine the opposite of Foursquare — an app you can use to steer clear of particular individuals rather than meet up with them — and you grasp the idea behind the Hollaback iPhone app.

The New York Times spotlights the application, which people can use to notify one another of unsavory types who are spreading their creepy intimidation around. Using the app, you can snap pictures of the offenders to use to warn others and notify the authorities.

If you’ve used Hollaback or know of something similar, how has it worked out?

Phone Apps Aim to Fight Harassment [The New York Times]

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  1. misterfweem says:

    This’ll end well.

    • Loias supports harsher punishments against corporations says:

      For the lawyers perhaps.

    • goodfellow_puck says:

      You mean the comments to this article? ‘Cause it took less than a minute to get a ton of sexist stereotyping BS.

      This article summary does very little to state what the app actually does and how the “movement” has functioned prior to the app. Hollaback has been around for YEARS. It does such an amazing job, that other cities’ communities have branched out with their own hollaback sites separate from the NYC original. We aren’t talking “awkward guys”, we’re talking aggression, dangerous situations, rude commentors when women don’t give them what they want, groping, masturbation, flashers, etc. The whole thing was started from too many guys on subways feeling the need to flash/masturbate in front of women, knowing they could get away with it.

  2. MistahFixit says:

    How long until the defamation-of-character suits?

  3. SpamFighterLoy says:

    It’s about f’ing time.

  4. FatLynn says:

    Yes, because the guy in the coffee shop who stares at you is creepy…unless he’s hot, then it’s cute.

    • Supes says:

      So the difference between a creepy stalker and a crush/date/relationship: how attractive the person is!

    • Applekid ┬──┬ ノ( ã‚œ-゜ノ) says:

      Pretty much this. Good looking people don’t quite realize how unfriendly the rest of the world is because no one raises their guards around them.

    • Dead Wrestlers Society says:

      Chris Rock truly is the spokesman for our generation.

    • pot_roast says:

      “If she thinks you’re cute, it’s flirting. If not, it’s sexual harassment.”

      As far as this goes, there are certainly legitimate issues. Someone rubbing themselves on you in the subway? To me, that crosses the line into “mental issues.” Clearly the guy is a creep but probably has some psychological issues as well.
      In many other cases (and a look at the hollaback websites will tell you this) that it’s a whole lot of dubious claims. There is no witness corroboration required, just her story and his photo plastered on the internet. Many of them are basically “Eewww, this skeezy guy totally said hi and asked me what my name was. What a creep! I snapped his photo and told him what a creep he was and put it on this website so all you grrrls can be aware of this pervert.” It’s like the bar for what is considered to be victimization has been lowered…dramatically.

      • pecan 3.14159265 says:

        Yep, that’s one of the potential pitfalls of an app like that. It’s instinctual to make snap judgments based on appearance, but we have to acknowledge that sometimes that’s wrong or prejudiced. Then there’s the pitfall, which is when you make snap judgments based on activities you perceive to be threatening even if they aren’t, just because they’re out of the norm or not a desired outcome (for example, the cute guy asks your name isn’t creepy, but the old guy who asks your name is). The guy who asked me if I wanted a section of his newspaper isn’t creepy, but an alarm went off in my head just because it was behavior so outside the norm.

        • Platypi {Redacted} says:

          Exactly. “He’s a creep because he dresses a little off and looked at me just a little too long” is profiling just like “He is a terrorist because he looks like he is from the middle east”. I don’t mind this app for actual offenders (flashers, peepers, bump and gropers on subway, etc), but it opens up too much to be tried without ANY actual evidence.

          • mythago says:

            Do you really think women are all so stupid that if they read “OMFG this guy said good morning to me what a creep” that they’re going to take that seriously? Because, you know, the bitches are so paranoid they can’t tell the difference between ‘good morning’ and having somebody grab their ass? Dude, how do you type with that chip on your shoulder?

      • Loias supports harsher punishments against corporations says:

        This. Some women – some – consider any man that sums up the courage to actually approach a women and try to strike up a conversation to be “creepy.”

        This app is a great idea, as long as it is used for truly legitimate reasons. Looking at you or talking to you is not a legitimate reason, unless the conversation is lewd and/or you told the man to leave you alone with WORDS (and not subtle body language or passive vocal responses).

        • hattrick says:

          “Some women – some – consider any man that sums up the courage to actually approach a women and try to strike up a conversation to be “creepy.””

          Wow, how terribly, terribly BRAVE of you to approach someone who, odds are, you outweigh by anywhere from 10-50 pounds and could almost certainly take in a fight, and attempt to talk to them. What true courage you display.

          Has it not occurred to you that she doesn’t actually OWE you a conversation in spite of the fact that you want one?

          Or that hey, she may be more afraid of you than you are of her? That, in fact, you have to be a LOT more brave to talk to a total stranger who could almost certainly physically harm you if you upset them, than the other way around? You expect women to have respect for your “courage” in talking to them, yet you don’t seem to understand that they have to have a LOT more courage to talk back to you, and that during this entire discussion they are potentially in a real, physical danger that you are simply NOT in.

          Let’s be real, here. You’re comparing a man’s concern that when they approach a strange woman she might be mean to them or laugh at them with women’s concern that when they are approached by a strange man, he might rape or KILL her.

          I’m supposed to feel sorry for you here because some women don’t respect your “courage?”

          Get some perspective, dude.

    • pop top says:

      This is a pathetic, tired old meme that makes men treat women like shit because they feel like if they are attractive, they have the right to bother them for their name or phone number or attention. It doesn’t matter what the dude looks like if he is being a creep. I wish that people would stop spreading this idea around because it has no merit. If a guy smells your hair on the bus or gropes you on the subway or tries to get an upskirt shot or won’t leave you alone at the bar until you give him your number, would it really matter if he was good-looking?

      • Loias supports harsher punishments against corporations says:

        I blame women. They are too mysterious. They play coy all the time. When the man is cute, they are coy to be coy. When the man is creepy, they are coy to stay away. But the two can be easily confused.

        Not kidding here, really. As a formally aukward teenager, followed by an aukward adult, I can say from experience women don’t do a good job of making things clear for either the cute guys or creepy ones.

        • pop top says:

          “I blame women.”

          At least you’re honest about being an idiot. In our society, women are taught to be nice so they aren’t considered a “bitch”, because standing up for yourself or being assertive makes you a bitch. Just look at any workplace study involving male and female managers. When a man is assertive, it’s considered positive, but it’s negative if a woman does it. I’ve read several threads on different forums where women talk about how they “let down” men and most of the women who say they are truthful (say things like, I’m not interested or whatever) are either put down as being a bitch or they are repeatedly harassed by the guy because even when a woman clearly communicates with a guy, he can’t figure out what’s going on.

          I think it’s incredibly immature of you to blame women for your dating issues. Yes, I’m sure being a teenage boy was very tough for you, but why not turn your blame around and instead look at how men have trouble perceiving social cues and don’t know when to quit. Why don’t we blame men for not taking the hint?

          • Munchie says:

            As much as you think your right women and men communicate in very different ways. What is glaring obvious to you is far to subtle to a man. Also women are rarely properly assertive because they remember too much about previous tones of social interactions and can’t evaluate on a case by case basis. Last they are unable to remove the feeling from decisions. Is this always true, no. But on the average it is. Now you know why.

            • pop top says:

              I know men and women communicate in very different ways, but why is it incumbent upon the woman to make her feelings explicit when we don’t put the same burden on the man to pick up on her social cues/facial expressions/etc.? Also, you didn’t actually say anything of value so no, I don’t “know why”.

              • jayde_drag0n says:

                I have come to be okay with being called a bitch. I absolutely believe that the only way to get rid of unwanted attention is to be explicit and blunt straight up so that there are no miscommunications. Leave me alone, go away, and I am not interested with a hand in the no position works effectively and usually the first time. After that point if they persist, i have a reasonable right to get intervention (bar keep, brother, friend…etc) I’ve been called many names, many times by this tactic… But I learned my lesson after being stalked, better to have name calling than someone who is a direct threat to my safety.

                • pop top says:

                  But here’s the thing: you shouldn’t be called a bitch for simply telling someone you aren’t interested in them. And like I was saying, why is it on the woman to make herself 100% clear (especially since that doesn’t even help nine times out of ten) but not on the man to learn body language, facial expressions and other social cues? You’re right in saying that being direct is the best way to go, but a lot of the time it doesn’t help or opens you up to verbal, or even physical assault.

          • pecan 3.14159265 says:

            I think men put women on this pedestal and assume they know their affect on men. I don’t think this is the case at all. I was an awkward teen, and while I’m not an awkward adult, that’s due to the fact that I realized that I spent so much time worrying that I was being awkward that I didn’t have time to realize that it was stupid to worry about being awkward. Eventually, I just stopped caring because it took too much effort. With that came a confidence that helped me just be myself. And of course, being a geek is cool now, so that helps.

            Let’s get real here: if you think you’re awkward, that’s what you think. If you encounter a person who likes you just the way you are, and that person is a woman, it’s not her fault you can’t get past your perceptions of yourself to see how others actually perceive you.

        • richcreamerybutter says:

          You’re assuming that women are never awkward, or also received mixed messages from men.

        • Rectilinear Propagation says:

          But that has nothing to do with the gropers or guys taking upskirt photos. That’s just wrong and the woman shouldn’t have to hit the guy over the head with a blunt object for him to know that and/or to get him to stop.

          As for normal interactions, you blame women for being coy but I blame guys for labeling any behavior that’s not coy as bitchiness or slutty. Being direct and assertive is rude if you’re a woman so they end up being coy just to try to be polite.

          It’s also rather insulting to assume that most women can’t tell the difference between a guy who came across as creepy and actual harassment. Unless there are a load of people trying to get restraining orders against ‘that guy who tried to buy me a drink that one time’ this fear is unfounded.

        • crazydavythe1st says:

          This really is true. And of course groping and taking upskirt photos is inappropriate. The vast majority of guys don’t do these things. I can’t imagine that many women find such a thing flattering anyway. There are only a few very subtle differences between a girl playing coy because she likes you and a girl playing coy because she wants nothing to do with you.

          In fact, I’ve never really been good at differentiating between the two. I’m fairly average looking too, so it could go either way. The only good thing is that it seems that for every girl out there playing hard to get there’s a girl that makes it blatantly obvious that she into you. Maybe that’s the real secret – if a girl is into you enough, she’ll make it known eventually rather than have you slip away.

          • pecan 3.14159265 says:

            There’s a third girl – the one who really has absolutely no clue one way or the other, and has no awareness that hints are even being thrown. That girl shouldn’t be blamed at all for “not getting it” because she isn’t even aware that there might be something to get.

        • mythago says:

          And so the only way to tell if she really likes you or not is to grab her ass, back her into a corner on the bus and ask her to blow you, or follow her for blocks yelling at her for being stuck up?

    • Rectilinear Propagation says:

      It may be cute to you but most people don’t want a stalker no matter how ‘cute’ they are.

      • Merricat says:

        And most people have no idea if the person looking in their direction is actually staring at them or day dreaming about the day when they no longer have to deal with the rest of us assholes.

        Or put it another way, creep is an extremely subjective term which is often applied with a large brush.

    • mythago says:

      Speak for yourself. Ted Bundy was cute, too.

  5. ninabi says:

    A relative could have used this. She rented an apartment from a creepy guy who is well versed in tenant law and finds a way to be in her apartment on a near-daily basis for “routine inspections” and “follow up inspections” on non existent repairs, when he isn’t busy standing outside her windows doing landscaping or always fiddling with her front door when she’s on the phone.

    It looked good on paper “extremely well maintained” but it’s put her into a peculiar hell that has the city housing board and the police scratching their heads figuring out how to help her.

    • ellemdee says:

      Woooow, that’s really unsettling and such an odd situation where someone can pretty much legally stalk her in her own home. That story has the makings of a Law & Order episode. If she can afford it, I think I would have to break the lease and get the heck out of there before she finds him hiding in her bedroom closet “making a repair”.

      • ninabi says:

        The landlord is very odd- sending out long emails to his tenants at 3 am and stalking one young man for blocks when the guy stepped outside the apartment for a cigarette as smoking is banned inside the building.

        As for a dog, the landlord is adamant about banning animals. So much so that when an acquaintance was walking a puppy by on the sidewalk outside the building the man came running outside, yelling that if the little dog so much as put one paw on the grass, the yard would be chemically treated for fleas at the tenant’s expense.

        Bottom line- relative is moving out 7 months early, knowing he will probably sue her in court. It’s resulted in many, many strange middle of the night emails and letters slipped under her door.

    • Rectilinear Propagation says:

      What ellemdee said, plus if she’s a dog person and can afford it maybe get one that’ll bark at intruders or something.

  6. kingofmars says:

    I worry about the potential for abuse of this app, but I understand why people would want an app like this. Also didn’t xkcd do a comic a lot like this?

  7. daemonaquila says:

    That’s going to crash and burn quickly. Got an ex husband/girlfriend/etc. you don’t like? List ‘em. Got a boss or co-worker who was mean? List ‘em. Cue lawsuits in 3… 2… 1…

    • crashfrog says:

      List ‘em and… what? Are you checking this website? Do you know anyone who is? And even if someone you do know winds up there unfairly, don’t they just have to say “oh, yeah – my bitch of a ex put me up, there” to restore your opinion of them?

      I think you’re drastically underestimating the enormous barriers put up against women who want to identify and be protected from their harassers, and the degree to which people – like you – will immediately line up to defend the right of strangers to cat-call women.

      • Pax says:

        And you’r drastically underestimating the numbers of people, of BOTH genders, who will put people’s names up there for any inconsequential reason.

        Possibly just for political, or religious, differences.

        • crashfrog says:

          No, I’m not. I’m just struggling to find a reason to give a shit about someone who gets falsely listed. Did you even read my post?

          Seriously, let’s say you’re falsely listed and all your friends wonder why you’re on a website about people who cat-call women. Who do you expect to give a shit? Of the people who do, which of them do you expect not to be immediately mollified by your explanation that someone put you up there as revenge?

          Great. So you’re listed on a website. Apparently, even complete and total strangers on the internet, who don’t know you or know even the first thing about you, will assume you’re just a nice guy who got listed by some back-stabbing bitch. What, exactly, could you possibly have to worry about?

  8. Narmical says:

    Libal / Defimation laws are stupid and out dated. In this internet age anyone cant post anything at any time. They don’t need this app to do it.

    I think this is kinda cool. In a small town where everyone knows everyone reputations are powerfull. This might bring it to big cities.

    I real creep will get posted a bunch by different people. Someone with a mad ex, much less so

    • Loias supports harsher punishments against corporations says:

      You’re naive if you think they can’t easily lead to defamation/libel issues.

      As the internet has become, even one posting of an angry woman against an innocent man is enough to cause a very serious and legitimate lawsuit.

    • NickelMD says:

      “Libal / Defimation laws are stupid and out dated.”

      And yet still on the books and thoroughly usable. I think the federal DOMA is stupid and out-dated. Yet if I file my taxes jointly with my husband (thus saving me tens of thousands of dollars over what I pay filing singly)) then the IRS will sue me back into the stone age. If you think a law is stupid, your options are: 1) work to change it, 2) obey it, 3) disobey it and understand you will bear the consequences.

      “In this internet age anyone cant post anything at any time. They don’t need this app to do it.”

      You are correct; almost anything can be posted anytime. However if you post something that is libelous or defames my character and I can trace it back to you, prepare to get sued back to the stone age, sonny. However in this case, the entire freaking app is one big libel-generating-behemoth. And the persons sued will be: the creators of Hollaback, and if traceable the posters of the defaming content.

  9. Bort says:

    responsible people don’t need rules, however i can almost guarantee not every user will use this in its intended manner

  10. donkeydonkeypublicbathroom says:

    I hope the “She’s an Easy Lay” app comes out next week.

    • pop top says:

      Hell yeah! Get back at those sluts for not wanting to be harassed by strangers while they’re on the subway or on the bus or walking somewhere. Stuck up bitches.

  11. richcreamerybutter says:

    This is true of pretty much everything. I’d wager that everyone is more in danger of defamation of character in terms of former bosses and employers than men with this site/app in particular.

    Here is what many men don’t realize about harassment, especially the kind that crosses into physical territory: the victims in question are often temporarily in shock, because they really can’t believe this guy is ACTUALLY attempting to (for instance) dry hump their posteriors in a crowded subway in proximity of many others. Because the average victim IS concerned about not falsely placing blame on an innocent perp, they may have to parse the data for a minute or so just to make sure they have reason to call the guy out or place a well-aimed jab with an elbow into soft tissue. Taking a photo is a reasonable reaction because it ensures that in the event you ARE wrong, no harm is done to anyone (and can be easily erased). In the split second that can elapse between the incident and exit of the perp, when the victim realizes, “oh wtf??!!” any hope of catching the harasser is gone, but a photo preserves the information.

    • pop top says:

      “Here is what many men don’t realize about harassment, especially the kind that crosses into physical territory:”

      I think you should’ve followed that up with: “They shouldn’t physically molest another person for any reason whatsoever. They have no right to touch another person’s body without their consent, even if they think it’s harmless.”

    • evnmorlo says:

      With no new information presented during the period of uncertainty, I don’t see how a decision can be made. Most gropers probably act like nothing happened, which is exactly what the guy who accidentally dry humped someone because of momentum would do. In the latter case an innocent is punished, while in the former there is a good chance the assault will escalate.

  12. tz says:

    So I take a picture of you and threaten to upload it to the site if you don’t cooperate.

    Some have problems with Google Street-View…

  13. NickelMD says:

    The libel and defamation suits will shut this down in a heartbeat. Its certainly the case that a lot of sexual harassment occurs, however a lot of behavior is misconstrued as well. Case in point: I’m gay as a french horn and at least once or twice a year I am accused of homophobia while working in the ER. And while I know that internalized homophobia can be an issue, I think that the majority of the time this is because I don’t give the requested rx for vicodin. Now I don’t think it is the case that the individuals in these situations are doing this entirely maliciously. I think they actually do believe I am being homophobic, because they interpret something negative from me as me hating them (e.g. you’ve been in the ER 7 times in the past 2 months to get prescriptions for vicodin. I’m not going to give you an rx because you seem to have a pain contract with Dr Smith, and you need to work out any changes of your meds with him.)

    So if I bump against a woman in a subway its not because I am trying to cop a feel but more likely because I want to get where I am going. Yet I’ve gotten ‘the look’ from women who think that I have a prurient interest in them, when in fact I’d only be interested if they had a brother…

    That’s not to say that a lot of harassment doesn’t go on… it does. With startling regularity. However, if you get even 1% false positives, your service is going down. If you happen to get a false positive that is laughably incorrect (e.g. me having prurient interest in a woman) you are going down baaad. And even in some of the true positive cases…. if you can’t prove a pattern of accusations or prove that something inappropriate happened, you are going to have quite a few lawsuits that will end very badly for you.

    While you can post a picture of me on the internet fucking a goat if you happen to possess one, you can’t post a picture of me standing in line at the subway and say: “this dude groped me” unless you either have a lot of good evidence to protect you from claims of libel or a lot of money you want me to take off your hands. (And that’s in the US where truth is a protection from libel… go to the UK with this and you are quadrupley hosed.)

    • DarthCoven says:

      “gay as a french horn”

      ruined another keyboard…thanks

    • mythago says:

      That’s what video is for.

      “I’m gonna sue you!”

      “Great, I’ll just upload this video of you calling me a fucking whore to YouTube. Also, did you know that calling someone a whore is defamatory?”

  14. SuperNinjaâ„¢ says:

    Seems to me, at first glance, as just another outlet for passive-agressive whining. It’s not gonna prevent anything.

  15. quail says:

    People are notoriously bad at discerning someone’s emotions/intentions. Scenario: Guy in food court holding up smart phone and snapping pictures of nothing in particular. Group of girls passes. They look at him. He looks back and smiles in greeting. So, what’s he up to?

    A) Taking pictures of cute girls at the mall.
    B) Trying out a new camera app.
    C) Actually playing a game on his phone.
    D) None of the above.

    Whatever the case, if the guy’s there messing with his phone for too long I’ll lay odds that he would get marked by the harassment app. No matter what his intentions are, someone’s going to feel threatened.

    • quail says:

      Guess what I’m getting at is that the less than obvious harassment scenarios are going to get some guy or gal marked when they’re not doing anything wrong at all. At some point, the white noise generated by the false positives on this app will make it less likely for a user to spot the real creeps.

    • Applekid ┬──┬ ノ( ã‚œ-゜ノ) says:

      I gotta say when I was in line at the post office the other day, I was busy playing Risk on my camera phone. Yet while I was staring at my small 2.3″ phone screen, the [obviously underage] girl in front of me seemed to continually shift her body so that it was lined up perfectly if I wanted to take snaps. If I didn’t know better “I can’t believe it happened to me…”

      Not that I was actually staring, but it’s hard not to notice while invading Western Australia that the screen is framed by cute butt.

      It occurred to me that I probably look like a pervo taking lots of pictures, but, eh, I got a good auto-territory distribution and the computer players were getting crap rolls so it worked out ok. That and I didn’t get arrested.

    • mythago says:

      So, the creepy guy who follows you around the mall taking photos for two hours and saying “Hey, baby” is just totally misunderstood. Got it.

      I don’t think you get what the point of this app is. Somebody who posts “Here is this guy who smiled at me” is going to get ignored. “Here’s this guy who grabbed my ass on the bus” – oh, the poor misunderstood fellow!

  16. chaquesuivant says:

    This app is in addition to the already existing website.

    With this app, the guys picture and actual geographical location will be posted in within seconds. This sounds like a harassment app. One woman thinks a guy is creepy, or has an ax to grind with him etc. posts to the sight, other women/girls in the area get an alert, start looking for him – let the mobbing begin. And really, with mobbing – a form of bullying – the perpetrators don’t care about innocence, guilt, or the punishment fitting the supposed crime – they’re too busy having fun and enjoying the social and emotional bonding formed by their mob.

    In its extreme, I’m reminded of a ring of 15 or so nurses at a nursing home in Germany busted for holding meetings on which resident deserves to die. These women killed probably 20 old men. Why old men? The old men in question were incontinent and the nurses didn’t like that. Also – when asked ‘WHY?!’, many of them said they enjoyed the feeling of friendship and belonging to the group.

    Yes – men can be creeps – but I really hate this fucking idea that females are not capable of harassment. They are – can be very clever at it – and often cover for one another.

    • mythago says:

      Does the app lock itself down when a male attempts to report harassment by a female?

      Unless the answer is “yes”, what’s your problem?

  17. Pax says:

    … I see so many ways this can be abused.

    Teh writers are going to be slapped with more Defamation lawsuits than they can COUNT.

  18. TacomaRogue says:

    Things like this app are just another excuse for women to perpetuate the cycle of being a victim, and it’s really getting old. Yes, there are legitimate cases of stalking and real pervs who are out to do no good, but women need to grow up and take some responsibility for what happens to them. I’m not saying that women are “asking for it” or any such nonsense, but seriously, quit acting like a princess and take an effing self defense class if you’re so worried about being attacked. Don’t take a guys picture and post it on some stupid site, put on your big girl panties and call the cops, if the guy is really being a perv he will be treated as such by the cops.

    • pop top says:

      The misogyny is strong with this one.

      • TacomaRogue says:

        As a woman, I feel I have the right to hate women who act like victims when there is something that can be done about it. When I made the decision to live with-in walking distance of 9 bars that was also the time I made the decision to learn how to defend myself because at 5’3″ I make a damn easy target. The one time some guy decided to grope me he got a sore groin (he grabed me from the front into a hug) and a night in jail. Had he been sober I would have pressed charges, but I understand alcohol makes people do stupid things. I saw him a few weeks later while he was sober and he thanked me because I made him realize what an ass he was when he was drunk.

        Way too offten women pull this coy slightly flirty bullshit with guys they aren’t interested in when it’s so much easier to tell him to go the fuck away. Who cares if someone thinks you’re a bitch?! Personally I’d rather be a bitch than a victim.

    • kittylauper says:

      Cops don’t do anything for street harassment, there are no laws about it if he doesn’t touch or threaten you. I think if you had to deal with the shit women have to deal with on a daily fucking basis you would feel differently. In fact, I know you would. It wears down your resolve when it happens multiple times a day. Sometimes it happens so fast that you don’t even know what the fuck just happened right away so you can’t react quickly. Nobody should have to put up with being groped on a bus, but maybe if you experienced that 3 or 4 times a week you would understand. Not that I wish that upon anyone.

      “quit acting like a princess and take an effing self defense class if you’re so worried about being attacked.”
      a. you can’t use your self defense class when a man says “hey baby you’re looking hot today” and then keeps walking.
      b. We are not the ones who need to change or alter our behavior, the attackers/harassers are. The blame needs to be placed where it belongs. This is on par with preventing rape by ONLY teaching women how to avoid being raped. You need to teach men how to NOT RAPE as well.

    • kittylauper says:

      Oh also, you know what else is “getting old”? Misogyny. And men perpetuating violence on women. Women don’t perpetuate being victims, men keep pushing us down and trying to control us, in more ways than one. So excuse us for speaking out. Excuse us for standing up for ourselves. Excuse us for not wanting to be harassed, raped, and abused, and telling you it’s YOUR FAULT WHEN YOU DO IT.

  19. CustomerServiceAgent says:

    This site won’t take a report from a man, since apparently the dynamics of harassment do not apply to men.

    “Question: I am a man who was recently sexually objectified by a woman on the street. I think this is reverse harassment. Why won’t you post my story?
    Answer: While a woman making unsolicited sexual remarks to a man is certainly conceivable, the power dynamics of such an encounter are very different in a society where women comprise a historically subordinated group. Hollaback! is a project dedicated to combating a particular form of violence that designates subordinated groups (such as women and LGBTQ folks, for example) as targets in public spaces or otherwise vulnerable to unsolicited, nonconsensual encounters with strangers. It is thus not a forum for reporting other unpleasantries.”

    • kittylauper says:

      I am a huge supporter of Hollaback, but I agree that this is unfair. In order to defeat one argument that (male) street harassers use-that it’s a compliment and hey I wouldn’t mind if you said it to me-we must combat ALL street harassment and acknowledge the fact that any unwanted sexual attention is wrong. It doesn’t just go one way. Just because woman on male street harassment is less frequent does not mean your feelings are unjustified or should go unacknowledged.

  20. kittylauper says:

    To all of you who doubt the need for this, read some of the stories on the websites for different cities and THEN tell me that these women should just “roll with it”. Women have been putting up with street harassment forever, and I know I have had to put up with it since puberty. It wears you down and makes you feel unsafe in public. It makes you feel like less than a human being, like meat. Sometimes it can happen so often during a short time-span that you just become numb to it. No woman should have to put up with being creepily ogled/groped/cat-called while she’s minding her own business, no matter what she’s wearing.