Fox Plays Hardball With DISH Network, Pulls 19 Regional Sports Channels and FX

We — just like you — have had it with stories about squabbling between cable/satellite providers and various networks. And yet, these nasty spats go on, and they always seem to come to a head at importune times. The latest: Fox has decided to pull 19 regional sports channels, FX and the National Geographic Channel from DISH Network subscribers while the two parties dicker over carriage fees.

DISH users will still have access to their local Fox affiliate, as well as Fox News (thank God!) and Fox Business (Amen!).

Here are the 19 stations that have been pulled from DISH:
FOX Sports Arizona
FOX Sports Detroit
FOX Sports Florida
FOX Sports Midwest
FOX Sports North
FOX Sports Ohio
FOX Sports Oklahoma
FOX Sports Southwest
FOX Sports South
FOX Sports West
Prime Ticket
SportSouth
Sun Sports
(These last 6 are channels that DISH subscribers only had access to as part-time/overflow channels)
Fox Sports Carolinas
Fox Sports Houston
Fox Sports Indiana
Fox Sports Kansas City
Fox Sports Tennessee
Fox Sports Wisconsin

Additionally, in a deal unrelated to the Fox negotiations, DISH users in the NYC area also no longer have access to the MSG network.

Said a VP from the satellite provider:

DISH Network is not going to allow FOX or any programmer to bully our customers into paying such an unconscionable price increase… FOX has a long history of trying to shake down pay TV providers, including Cablevision, Time Warner, and Bright House.

In fact, the American Television Alliance, which counts all of the above companies (and DISH competitor DirecTV) issued a statement excoriating Fox for the timing of the blackouts:

During the pennant races, Fox has struck out at viewers across America. FOX’s blackout of regional sports networks and other cable channels from DISH Network puts consumers in the middle of a business dispute, the same tactic broadcast networks are using in retransmission negotiations with pay-TV providers.

For its part, Fox calls DISH’s claim about the broadcaster’s demands “absurd,” and say the fees Fox is asking for are “consistent with our agreements with hundreds of other cable and satellite providers.”

FOX BLOCKS REGIONAL SPORTS CHANNELS FROM DISH NETWORK VIEWERS [Official DISH Press Release]
Fox sports channels, MSG drop off Dish in dispute [AP]

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  1. Brunette Bookworm says:

    Boooo! I just called Dish to switch to them from Comcast because Dish is $50 a month cheaper. I don’t really care about the regional sports channels as if it’s something local, another network usually has it, but my National Geographic channel? I protest! Fox, you suck!

  2. aja175 says:

    This urinary olympics (pissing contest) between cable carriers and networks is getting old… We already know they’re going to pay them and raise our rates anyway, just tell us how much more it’s going to cost us every month and move on…

    • FrugalFreak says:

      Seems to me another reason to tell cable and networks to bite the dust.

    • Jeff-er-ee says:

      I just hope that they give me the chance to NOT pay for the Fox crap and not get it. Unfortunately, they’ll probably throw it in the package and charge me for it.

      Oh, for the day when we can buy satellite a’la carte.

      • jvanbrecht says:

        Actually, that is not a bad idea… whenever a broadcaster and content provider argue over pricing.. just have the broadcaster create a separate package of the channels in dispute, attach a price to it, remove all those channels from current package they are apart of, and set a price on the new separate package. Then let the consumer decide.

        My guess is (at least in my case), I would dump the channels.

        Although I doubt the broadcaster would reduce the cost of the previous package that originally had the contested content after removing said content.

  3. Skellbasher says:

    I’d just like to point out that the loss of MSG has nothing to do with Fox. MSG and Dish failed to reach a carriage agreement completely independently.

    • Phineas says:

      Personally, I miss the loss of MSG. Especially from my fried rice. Good stuff.

    • physics2010 says:

      I’m glad you pointed that out. I didn’t understand when the article said “Additionally, in a deal unrelated to the Fox negotiations, DISH users in the NYC area also no longer have access to the MSG network.” /s

      • Skellbasher says:

        When I made my comment, the article did not make the distinction. It had since been edited.

        So please go choke on your snark.

  4. Loias supports harsher punishments against corporations says:

    How much do I save if I remove Fox entirely?

  5. nrich239 says:

    FOX Networks, the owner of Regional Sports Networks, FX and National Geographic Channel, removed their channels from the DISH Network line-up on October 1.

    FOX has blocked the following RSN’s from our customers:

    * FOX Sports Arizona
    * FOX Sports Detroit
    * FOX Sports Florida
    * FOX Sports Midwest
    * FOX Sports North
    * FOX Sports Ohio
    * FOX Sports Southwest
    * FOX Sports South
    * FOX Sports West
    * Prime Ticket
    * SportSouth
    * Sun Sports

    Local FOX TV stations, FOX News/FOX Business News, FOX Sports Rocky Mountain, FOX Sports Pittsburgh and FOX Sports Northwest are not affected in any way

    http://www.dishnetwork.com/news/fox.aspx

    • nrich239 says:

      Bigger list on the Fox site:

      * FOX Sports Arizona
      * FOX Sports Carolinas
      * FOX Sports Detroit
      * FOX Sports Florida
      * FOX Sports Houston
      * FOX Sports Indiana
      * FOX Sports Kansas City
      * FOX Sports Midwest
      * FOX Sports North
      * FOX Sports Ohio
      * FOX Sports Oklahoma
      * FOX Sports Southwest
      * FOX Sports South
      * FOX Sports Tennessee
      * FOX Sports West
      * FOX Sports Wisconsin
      * Prime Ticket
      * SportSouth
      * Sun Sports

  6. Tim in Wyoming says:

    So do your rates go down during this time? I doubt it….

    • Brunette Bookworm says:

      No, the Dish sites say they are adding some other channels while they work on the deal:

      HD Net Movies
      HD Theater
      NBA TV
      New England Sports Network
      NFL Network
      NHL Network
      Altitude Sports
      Big Ten Network
      Comcast SportsNet California
      Comcast SportsNet Chicago
      Comcast SportsNet Bay Area
      Comcast Sports Network Mid-Atlantic
      Comcast Sports New England
      ESPN Classic
      FOX Sports Northwest
      FOX Sports Pittsburgh
      FOX Sports Rocky Mountain
      Mid-Atlantic Sports Network
      Mid-Atlantic Sports Network2
      SportsNet New York
      SportsTime Ohio.

      • Tim in Wyoming says:

        I miss HD Net Movies… Damn you Bresnan for being tight asses, your every few month rate hike should have allowed you to keep the channel.

        • NotEd says:

          As do I on DirecTV. Not because they don’t carry it, but rather they put it on a different tier of service than plain ol’ HDNet itself.
          When I was on Comcast they both were carried under the HD service tier. I dislike that DirecTV chose to break them up.

  7. DrMonkeyPhD says:

    So they’re trying to annoy ever more people to the point where they get fed up with this crap and cut the cord entirely? Seems like an odd business strategy.

    • Loias supports harsher punishments against corporations says:

      Works for the networks, as if you ditch Dish you’ll just go to cable, which has the same negotiation issues.

      It’s in the network’s own interest to alwasy get as much money from everyone as possible, but they rightly believe you’re going to pay for their network no matter what.

      Your only solution is to ditch both cable and dish.

      • kujospam says:

        Thats what they want you to do. So then you go straight to fox channels online and then gouge internet advertisers. But atleast we will only have to have 30 minutes of commercials by then.

  8. c152driver says:

    Judging by the dueling websites put up by both Fox and Dish, it would appear both companies are run by individuals with the maturity of a 5 year old. This sort of crud makes it really tempting to cut the cord.

    • PsiCop says:

      Yes, it IS very childish, isn’t it? One would think grown adults who actually possess more than a little business acumen would be able to deal with these things in a more constructive way, rather than letting them deteriorate to the point where they sic viewers on their opponents.

      About the only segments of the US population less mature than media executives, are politicians and infants. And I’m not even sure infants are less mature than either of those.

  9. superfluousK says:

    does News Corp still own a bunch of Directv stock?

  10. Im Just Saying says:

    Don’t think this is in any way indicative of what may happen under Kabletown…

  11. davidc says:

    Gimmie Ala-Cart channels .. and give them to me now and then we can get over all this BS.

    Besides .. bundling FX, History and a bunch of 2nd rates sports channels together? ASIF they have the same audiences.

    And besides .. if we are paying all the money to receive these stations via Satelite (or cable) why do are we not getting them commercial free? After all, we are paying to watch them, why do we have to suffer through commercials as well? double dipping anybody?

    • vastrightwing says:

      Yes, I equate this with having to pay to park at the mall, then having to pay to enter the mall. Crazy. But this is what it amounts to.

    • tbax929 says:

      Ala carte would actually cost more than bundling. A lot more.

      And there are folks, like me, who do watch channels like FX, The History Channel, HGTV, and Fox Sports (for baseball games). Some of us have varied interests, you know.

      • Brunette Bookworm says:

        Me too. Yesterday’s programming choices? Colts game, Bears game, History International, and Investigative Discovery. DVR’d – Venture Brothers.

    • OutPastPluto says:

      Channels that carry commercials and are re-transmitted unaltered should not cost the cable provider anything. A cable provider should not have to pay for the priveledge of increasing the exposure of some Networks ads.

  12. smartmuffin says:

    Wow, you’re going to have a LOT of angry college football fans with this one. I won’t question why Northwest was spared, I’ll just be happy that I’ll still be able to watch the Oregon State game this Sunday. I know a lot of people who WOULD cancel their Dish network subscriptions if FSN Northwest was gone during college football season….

  13. Alecto says:

    I have Dish, and we still have FX, NatGeo Wild and NatGeo, but the sports stations are gone.

    The males in this household are not amused.

  14. Klay says:

    Fox wants “more than a 50% increase in fees” according to my source starting 1 Jan. Dish has a habit of pulling programming they feel are demanding unreasonable increases.

  15. samonela says:

    Fox blocked.

  16. Eryk says:

    “DISH users will still have access to their local Fox affiliate, as well as Fox News (thank God!) and Fox Business (Amen!).”

    Always nice when a site decides to go ahead and get political, when its not the point of the article. Can’t you guys just leave it out and stick to reporting?

  17. BrianneG says:

    Sports channels like Fox Sports West and Prime Ticket are the only reason we have cable. Glad we don’t have Dish.

  18. Levk says:

    Nice i think I will order Dish now I hate sports
    ^^

    • Clyde Barrow says:

      I got Dish put in about 6 weeks ago and I couldn’t be happier. The HD channels on my big screen are incredibly clear and the reception has never been a problem during storms and rain.

    • tbax929 says:

      Dish is your best bet if you hate sports since they don’t even offer the MLB channel.

      Of course, that in itself is why I’d never go with Dish Network.

  19. Razor512 says:

    My friend has dish network and over the years lots of channels have been pulled from it and yet the company still increased the price.

  20. sir_eccles says:

    and nothing of value was lost

  21. JamesBE says:

    And ala carte pricing for channels is bad because?

    Let the unpopular stations die. Less shit shows and useless networks.

  22. yagisencho says:

    I’d consider it a personal favor if Comcast also dropped FOX channels (including the ‘news’ channels, please). It would save me the trouble of having to block them individually on my cable box.

    • Aurora Nightwalker says:

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      • BlownCircuit says:

        Lets take a look at what you posted here.

        “You do this because…..?”
        You don’t need that ellipse. You seem to be particularly fond of that little guy though.

        “Your boycotting them?”
        Oh, common snafu, you were looking for ‘You’re’.

        “I hope not since your still paying for the channel… “
        There seems to be two ‘thoughts’ here, you should separate them with a comma. Again, you seem to use ‘your’ when you meant ‘you’re’. Just remember if it isn’t indicating possession, you need an apostrophe and an ‘e’. Also, an ellipse is not a period.

        “oh these idiots and their stupid meaningless principles.”
        Like posting about their opinions on the internet? Good job on using the correct form of ‘there’, though given the rest of your post, I’ll assume it was purely accidental.

        “No one cares about you.”
        Except for this guy who took the time to post a poorly worded response to your post.

        “And it makes me hate you.”
        Glad to hear that by simply having a different opinion than you, you have decided to feel this way. You must really be a joy to deal with on a daily basis.

        “Stupid stupid people.”
        I’ll just let this one stand on its own.

        • Aurora Nightwalker says:

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      • kujospam says:

        Why, I block religious channels all the time, it simply just skips them. That way I don’t have to worry about watching some preacher crap and that includes fox news.

        • Aurora Nightwalker says:

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      • JixiLou says:

        Your is possessive
        You’re is YOU ARE.

        And your comment annoys the hell out of me.

      • FrugalFreak says:

        And the reason I hate Faux is the reporters have a mindset like you. It is OK for someone to block opinions, Shows and News reporting that is lean to the right I prefer to block those people out because I’m sick of the blah whine blah.

  23. Tvhargon says:

    Shits: I don’t give any.

  24. Mob_Mentality says:

    How long before Fox blames this impasse on the Obama administration?

  25. TasteyCat says:

    I’m waiting for Disney to pull ESPN from Comcast so my cable bill goes down $5/month.

  26. kaleberg says:

    A lot of people are looking at their cable/satellite bills and punting. After all, there is free broadcast TV, the internet, DVDs and even digital video download services like Netflix and iTunes. The only group resisting this trend consists of sports fans. They want to watch their teams play, and often this includes teams elsewhere in the country and not available by broadcast. Though I am not a sports fan, I’ve gotten the impression that it would take a fair bit of something to wean them from their sports video habit. Maybe this kind of garbage is it? Enough blackouts, especially during major games, and I can imagine just going to some website for scores and stills, or even back to audio.

  27. twritersf says:

    There’s no real reason that advertising supported channels or networks should be charging carriage. It’s simple, really: if your advertising doesn’t cover your costs, you don’t get broadcast. Period.

    Thing is, Fix is cutting off its nose to spite its face. By cutting off DISH, it gets fewer viewers on those channels, and so can’t charge the same advertising rates, thereby making less money. But never have facts gotten in the way of Republicans and Fox.

  28. FrankReality says:

    I’d like to see some seriously pissed off customers file a class action suit against DISH for breach of contract. Dammit, I pay extra for FSN.

    I love how DISH places all the blame on FOX. Bastards. I’m sure DISH is hardly the innocent party here. Both are acting like spoiled brats.

    A pox on both your houses.

    • catnapped says:

      “Breach of contract”? Um, no…have you actually READ your contract with them? “Channels, lineups, and pricing subject to change” or something like that

  29. Joseph S Ragman says:

    Holy shit … I have been a loyal customer of this company since 2000 … I am so sick and tired of this garbage … the customers should NOT have to fight Dish Network’s battles for them … if I am expected to call NewsCorp to quibble with them over a few cents, then Dish should not be raising my rates every year … in fact, they should put me on the payroll!

    And it’s only a few cents, too … but I am sure the rate increase will be two dollars or more.

    This bullshit stands squarely between me an’ my Sons.

    If they don’t get this squared away by next Tuesday night at 10, I might have to give Comcast a call.

  30. Torchwood says:

    The biggest problem I have is that the $ports channels, such as E$PN and the Regional $ports Networks charge a high per-subscriber fee, then turn around and insist that their channels be carried on the lowest tier of channels. E$PN is part of Dish’s America’s Top 120 package and DirecTV’s Choice package, which is the lowest-cost package by each provider. So, you are paying for a $ports channel even if you have no interest in sports.

    What also bothers me is that many people treat the loss of certain channels as a “life or death” situation. OMGWTFBBQ, if I can’t watch the latest “Sons of Anarchy” or “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia”, I am absolutely going to dieeee, even through the episodes will be repeated or available as part of a seasonal box set. Of course, you can’t say the thing about the $ports networks, which rely on “watch it live”. And, at this time of the year, we have baseball playoffs and the kickoff of both NHL this month and NBA next month.

    Why do our lives revolve around television?

    • catnapped says:

      You do realize that “the mouse” holds their other channels ‘hostage’ unless providers put high $ channels like ESPN into the lowest tiers possible. Much the same with other programmers (Viacom, etc)…”you take the $5 channel or we’re not giving you the others”

      • TimothyT says:

        It’s called leverage. It’s business and this is the model the networks use. Issues like this will be the end of the big providers one day. Seriously, there is no reason for them to do this publicly and in doing so it creates animosity toward the lot of them (Dish, Cable, et al). Networks will continue to provide content and will also continue to move toward direct-to-consumer via online content. The trick is just putting it all together by third-party apps/sites. Once that breakthrough happens and is accepted en mass, look out.

    • George4478 says:

      >>So, you are paying for a _____ channel even if you have no interest in ______.

      Someone can fill in the blanks with every single channel on non-a la carte lineup. Nothing special about ESPN. Personally, I don’t have speak Spanish, but I still am forced to pay for 50-ish Spanish stations.

      • psm321 says:

        Except that last time I checked the sports channels are a lot more expensive than any of the other ones (excluding premium channels)

  31. LetsGoWarhawks says:

    Well that’s timely. I just signed up for a sports package a few weeks ago, and now I don’t get the majority of the channels, and I what do get they are giving away for free. And I don’t see them refunding that $7/month anytime soon either…

  32. Torchwood says:

    Here’s the fun part…. these are the per-subscriber fees for 2009:

    E$PN: $4.08 *
    Fox $ports Network: $2.37
    Fox News: $0.58 *
    E$PN2: $0.54 *
    CNN: $0.51 *
    FX Network: $0.42
    National Geographic: $0.20
    E$PN Classic: $0.18 *

    Source: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2580010#post2580010
    * Not a disputed, included for comparison

    Funny how the interested of the consumer conflicts with the profit models of the channels.

  33. Mr.Grieves says:

    Whaaat. Fox owns the national geographic channel? Nooooooooo!

  34. LastError says:

    So here I am, watching none of the blocked channels. But I have DirecTV so I get to freaking PAY for the damn things and all the others I never watch.

    SO I say good for Dish. Kick the channels to the curb, stomp on their faces and rip their damn throats out for forcing people to pay for stuff they don’t want and don’t watch.

    DirecTV would never in a million years fight to keep prices low. They just pay, and in turn make all the viewers pay.

    If all you people want these channels so badly, put them on tiers like HBO where it costs $5 or $10 a month and in turn take that hidden fee out of everyone else’s bills.

  35. Abradax says:

    I have 0 pity for Dish or Time Warner in these negotiations. You love to pricelock a customer using a 2 year contract, then complain when your costs go up because you can’t pass it on to the customer because you forced them into a contract in the first place.

  36. kelbear says:

    …and nothing of value was lost.

  37. energynotsaved says:

    Darn. I moved to DISH after 3 frustrating years with Comcast. DISH had more for less. Now, if my Braves actually get the wildcard, I may not be able to follow

  38. Dito says:

    Facebook group for those who are fed-up and pissed off about this nonsense:
    http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#!/group.php?gid=158802917478121

  39. vastrightwing says:

    This mess is exactly why I dumpped paid TV years ago. I was paying $85/mo 4 years ago and one day checked off the channels I actually watched. The price per channel came out to $17/channel. Only 1 wasn’t available over the free air, so I took the hit and pulled the plug. So far so good. I haven’t had a price increase in over 4 years!

  40. george69 says:

    why not put all the sports crap on its own pay block of channels. That way only the idiots that watch sports can pay for their sports. I do not want to watch idiots that I do not personally know play a friggen child’s game, so why should I be forced to pay for it.

    • Nekoincardine says:

      Disney laughs at your unprofitable idea of “sense.” You will pay $20+ for ALL of their networks, and you will like it.

      Thought you could get away from it with switching hobbies to video games? Here’s ESPN3 raising the price of XBox Live, and you can bet they’re on their way to shoving it into Playstation Network too!

      Robert Kotick (CEO of Activision) would kill for the kind of forced-gouging power Disney carries.

  41. FrankReality says:

    I’m not sure why these things have to be such ugly, confrontational and unflexible “non-negotiations”.

    Conveniently, October 1st is near the end of the MLB regular season (the playoffs are on FOX national channels and TBS IIRC), and is before the NBA and NHL are in their regular seasons, so this is the time that blocking Fox Sport’s regional channels on Dish punishes viewers the least (at least in theory). It also gives both sides some time to negotiate.

  42. gman863 says:

    Houston’s FOX owned and operated station (KRIV-26) is running a :30 second “Announcement” that Dish Network viewers no longer have access to FOX Sports Houston and other channels, directing viewers to visit a website listing other options (DirecTV and Comcast).

    When a person signs a 1-2 year contract with DISH, DirecTV or Comcast, there should be a law allowing subscribers to break their contract without penalty if they lose channels due to a pissing contest.

    In addition, the FCC and Congress should start investigating if consumers are getting screwed by FOX and Disney by indirectly forcing subscribers to subscribe to all channels they offer (versus a la carte).

    Even the threat of these two Federal Actons might scare both sides into playing nice.

  43. Geekybiker says:

    Sweet! Maybe I won’t have to pay for that trash anymore!

  44. DIRANONI says:

    Dropped channels from July 2007 – DATE.

    01- ABC Family HD
    02- Animania HD
    03- Disney XD HD
    04- Disney HD
    05- Equator HD
    06- ESPNews HD
    07- FamilyRoom HD
    08- Filmfest HD
    09- FOX Sports Arizona
    10- FOX Sports Carolinas
    11- FOX Sports Detroit
    12- FOX Sports Florida
    13- FOX Sports Houston
    14- FOX Sports Indiana
    15- FOX Sports Kansas City
    16- FOX Sports Midwest
    17- FOX Sports North
    18- FOX Sports Ohio
    19- FOX Sports Oklahoma
    20- FOX Sports South
    21- FOX Sports Southwest
    22- FOX Sports Tennessee
    23- FOX Sports West
    24- FOX Sports Wisconsin
    25- FU HD
    26- Fuse
    27- FX
    28- Gallery HD
    29- Gameplay HD
    30- Gol
    31- HDNews
    32- Man TV
    33- Monsters HD
    34- MSG
    35- MSG Plus
    36- National Geographic
    37- Prime Ticket
    38- Rave HD
    39- Rush HD
    40- Smithsonian HD
    41- SportSouth
    42- Sun Sports
    43- Treasure HD
    44- Ultra HD
    45- Weather Cast HD
    46- World Cinema HD

  45. DIRANONI says:

    Dropped channels from July 2007 – DATE

    01- ABC Family HD
    02- Animania HD
    03- Disney XD HD
    04- Disney HD
    05- Equator HD
    06- ESPNews HD
    07- FamilyRoom HD
    08- Filmfest HD
    09- FOX Sports Arizona
    10- FOX Sports Carolinas
    11- FOX Sports Detroit
    12- FOX Sports Florida
    13- FOX Sports Houston
    14- FOX Sports Indiana
    15- FOX Sports Kansas City
    16- FOX Sports Midwest
    17- FOX Sports North
    18- FOX Sports Ohio
    19- FOX Sports Oklahoma
    20- FOX Sports South
    21- FOX Sports Southwest
    22- FOX Sports Tennessee
    23- FOX Sports West
    24- FOX Sports Wisconsin
    25- FU HD
    26- Fuse
    27- FX
    28- Gallery HD
    29- Gameplay HD
    30- Gol
    31- HDNews
    32- Man TV
    33- Monsters HD
    34- MSG
    35- MSG Plus
    36- National Geographic
    37- Prime Ticket
    38- Rave HD
    39- Rush HD
    40- Smithsonian HD
    41- SportSouth
    42- Sun Sports
    43- Treasure HD
    44- Ultra HD
    45- Weather Cast HD
    46- World Cinema HD

  46. DIRANONI says:

    Dropped channels from July 2007 – DATE

    01- ABC Family HD
    02- Animania HD
    03- Disney XD HD
    04- Disney HD
    05- Equator HD
    06- ESPNews HD
    07- FamilyRoom HD
    08- Filmfest HD
    09- FOX Sports Arizona
    10- FOX Sports Carolinas
    11- FOX Sports Detroit
    12- FOX Sports Florida
    13- FOX Sports Houston
    14- FOX Sports Indiana
    15- FOX Sports Kansas City
    16- FOX Sports Midwest
    17- FOX Sports North
    18- FOX Sports Ohio
    19- FOX Sports Oklahoma
    20- FOX Sports South
    21- FOX Sports Southwest
    22- FOX Sports Tennessee
    23- FOX Sports West
    24- FOX Sports Wisconsin
    25- FU HD
    26- Fuse
    27- FX
    28- Gallery HD
    29- Gameplay HD
    30- Gol
    31- HDNews
    32- Man TV
    33- Monsters HD
    34- MSG
    35- MSG Plus
    36- National Geographic
    37- Prime Ticket
    38- Rave HD
    39- Rush HD
    40- Smithsonian HD
    41- SportSouth
    42- Sun Sports
    43- Treasure HD
    44- Ultra HD
    45- Weather Cast HD
    46- World Cinema HD

  47. scooby2 says:

    Supposedly the Fox O&O Affiliate contract with Dish Network is up November 7th. I wonder if this will have any affect on the current negotiations.

  48. km9v says:

    Who do you support in this situation? The people who screw you or the people who screw the people screwing you?

  49. Excuse My Ambition Deficit Disorder says:

    Hey…you do realize that it’s just not NYC that is effected by this…the entire state of New York is not getting MSG or MSG+.

    MSG and MSG+ used to be the only way I could watch my beloved Buffalo Sabres play on Dish Network…this crap plus them unwilling to budge on giving me free HD for life or lower my bill (the deal new subscribers get) after I’ve been with them for four years…they have now made my decision to switch that much easier…

  50. diagoro says:

    Oh boy, now we get to listen to more radio commercials spouting the lies from both sides. It’s just greed and pathetic fist pounding. You’d think the legal negotiators were the same teams that were working for the Isrealies and Palestinians……

    It reminds me of when I used to work for the state in California (university job). Every year, when the budget was late, the governor would threaten to stop paying the state workers until the crisis was over. Lo and behold, there was soon a deal. Being a pawn of that game really sucked, much as it does for those with Dish (or cable tv, or DirecTv), it’s never to the benefit of the consumer, just the channels or broadcast company.

  51. TheCorporateGeek Says Common Sense Is The Key says:

    After 8 years I dumped DISH after finding this out. DirecTV installed my system 2 days later. I had written an EECB back in January about this same issue in which we lost the ability to watch 20 home games of our hockey team. I was greeted with the following:

    Thank you for your email. I understand there is some confusion on the Dallas Stars Hockey schedule on DISH Network. Our contract with Fox Sports Network guarantees 40 Stars games per year. As we have in the past, we will continue to broadcast those same 40 games again this year.
    Last year, Fox decided to broadcast an additional 20 Stars games at no additional cost to either DISH or its viewers. After providing the games last year at no charge, they decided this year to charge for these same games. DISH was then given an option: pay an exorbitant surcharge for these additional 20 games that were previously available last year or lose the games altogether for the ’09 – ’10 season. They also required us to pay for games for the St. Louis Blues, which are less relevant to our customers in Dallas.
    In reviewing the price that was demanded by Fox Sports, we realized that if we accepted this annual surcharge we would have to raise prices to subscribers like you. We ultimately decided that we would not accept the demands of Fox Sports and will not increase prices to our customers. In these tough economic times it is unfortunate that Fox Sports would allow you to see these games last season only to take them away unless DISH met their demand for excessive fees for these same games.
    I realize for some of our customers this will be an unpopular decision. However, unless video providers and fans draw a line to protest the unreasonableness of certain content providers, prices will continue to escalate at excessive rates. I appreciate your concern and your loyalty. We are proud to consistently offer the best prices in the industry. I promise that we will continue to work with Fox Sports and the Stars in an attempt to reach agreement on fair pricing for these additional games.

    Respectfully,
    Dave Shull
    Senior Vice President, Programming
    DISH Network

    Well Mr. Shull, you just lost a customer. What’s the point in paying for channels you are supposed to get when you’re not getting them……..ADIOS DISH!