5 Things Not To Buy At Face Value

Haggling is commonly accepted in some facets of the market and laughed off in others, but the division between the two can be blurry. Kiplinger rounded up five items which you might not have known you could talk money off the price tag:

* HDTVS. Shop around, compare price quotes to salesman and insist you don’t have the budget for the sticker price.

*Gym memberships. Length and price of memberships, as well as interest rates and discounts for paying upfront, are all on the table.

*Mattresses. The story says you can get half off the price tag if you stick to your guns.

*Financial advisors. Ask to see an advisor’s Form ADV Part Two, which reveals his compensation policy and whether or not it has any wiggle room.

*Rent. As long as you’ve got other options, everything in the lease is up for debate.

What off-the-beaten-path goods or services do you haggle over?

5 Things You Can Haggle For [Kiplinger]
(Thanks, Kayla!)

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  1. mergatroy6 says:

    I can vouch for the mattress discount. I got 50% off the listed price when I went to Sleepy’s. I didn’t even have to be a hard ass to get the price.

    • Pibbs says:

      I bought a one of their high end mattresses (over 3k) at the “Clearance Outlet” Sleepy’s store (apparently every area has one) for $700. I ended up paying under 1100 with new pillows and everything, and got 36 month financing.

  2. MattO says:

    on mattresses, there are exceptions. TempurPedic mattresses are all sold at the same price everywhere, and they are not allowed to discount, AFAIK. When we bought ours, we haggled better financing (4 years at 0%), upgraded frame, mattress pad, extra pillows, sheet sets….things like that – but they WOULD NOT MOVE on the price itself.

    • HoJu says:

      Phew. That makes me feel better about not haggling on my tempurpedic.

      • MattO says:

        yea…it is just like Oakley’s – ever see a pair of Oakleys a different price between 2 stores? They are also not supposed to discount, which is why most times when there are discounts, it excludes those products – same with Bose – they are excluded from every Best Buy coupon….they want to keep the prices artificially higher by the manufacturer setting the prices…seems to work – we still buy it!

        BTW, bet bed EVER – worth every penny….mattress was 3k, but I would buy it again in a heartbeat. My wife and I actually cant stand beds at hotels…dont like sleeping anywhere else…and the Tempurpedic pillows are GREAT. We got 2 of the large pillows – not the weird shaped ones, but standard shape….they are amazing – when we go away, I bring it with me.

        • syzygy says:

          I’m glad the Magic Swedish Foam worked for you. Me, I couldn’t last more than a few seconds without feeling like I was trapped in the thing. Properly-cushioned springs for me, thanks!

        • Sudonum says:

          I’ve bought Bose outdoor speakers at a discount price at a discount store. They weren’t seconds, discontinued, or refurbished either, all under original Bose warranty.

        • HoJu says:

          It took me a VEEEEERY long time to get used to but now I love it. The pillows didn’t work for me. Since the foam retains so much heat I was always horribly hot. My pillow is now the only part of me that isn’t very warm while sleeping.

    • Eat The Rich -They are fat and succulent says:

      That’s because Tempur-Pedic is the “Apple Computer” of beds and mattresses.

    • RobSmalls says:

      What about Sleep Number beds? Anybody wring out a better price for one of those?

      • kjs87 says:

        Don’t do it. If you get bad luck with the pumps, you’re paying for a new one every 2 years (or 1, in my experience). The warranty covers everything for the first two years, then it’s prorated. I am now searching for a new mattress after three years because the pumps keep breaking, despite me doing everything right (surge protectors, keeping the room well-vacuumed and free of dust, etc.). And when they do break, it’s not like a regular mattress where it’s crummy but you can sleep on it. You end up sleeping on the hard plastic “boxspring” if the pump problem caused the bed to deflate entirely. One woman suggested I use a camp pump or blow it up with my mouth until I can afford a new pump.

        Bottom Line: When the bed depends on a poorly-made external part to be a bed and they only stand behind that part’s replacement for 30 days, don’t buy it!

        • It'sRexManningDay! says:

          I’ve heard similar things about the Sleep Number bed. We don’t have one, but a friend does. He’s had to have it replaced twice, and it still doesn’t stay inflated properly.

          • Beeker26 says:

            Maybe I’m really out in left field, but aren’t they just souped up air mattresses? Like the kind you can buy at Wal-Mart for $20?

            • kjs87 says:

              Pretty much. There’s foam involved, and it looks like a real mattress, but it’s just a glorified air mattress. It does allow you to adjust the firmness, at that was a nice feature and made for a comfortable bed for about a year, but another problem is that you can’t really sit on the edge of the bed a lot without breaking the foam; I’ve talked to customers who were told they were getting out of bed wrong because the foam broke down at the edges. When Steve Jobs said customers were holding the iPhone 4 incorrectly, it reminded me of that.

    • Taylor@HiKarma.com says:

      Sad news. I had my eye on a TempurPedic. :(

    • jmhart says:

      I too can confirm this. The store will deal on everything else: pillows, financing, bed frame, but won’t budge on price.

      We had them throw in a bed frame, 2 tempur pedic pillows, and 24 months @ 0%…and the is was back when savings rates were 5%, that was worth $240!!!

    • pgh9fan1 says:

      I have also seen the TempurPedic pricing. However, I won’t buy one until after they get sued for price fixing. Forcing retailers to charge list price is against the law. Sooner or later it will catch the attention of some attorney general.

      • Beeker26 says:

        This is not true. It’s only illegal when companies collude to keep prices of competing products artificially high.

        • pgh9fan1 says:

          Sorry, but you’re wrong. A manufacturer cannot tell a store what to charge for its products. It’s price fixing and it’s illegal. Nintendo got caught doing this and got a hefty fine.

          From Investopedia.com: What Does Price Fixing Mean?
          Establishing the price of a product or service, rather than allowing it to be determined naturally through free market forces. This procedure is often an illegal practice.

          • CarnageSIS says:

            No, you are incorrect. Manufacturers tell companies what to charge for their products all the time hence a thing called MSRP.

            If all the makers of memory foam mattresses got together and decided to sell Queen size mattresses for $3k. Then that would be price fixing because it does not allow for competition. TempurPedic can say we will sell our mattresses for $3k and Simmons is free to come along and say well we will sell our identical mattresses for $2k. Thus forcing TempurPedic to either adjust their price or find some way to convience consumers to buy their beds. That is the free market at work on the price of memory foam mattresses, not price fixing which would prevent such a thing from happening.

            • TheGhostshark says:

              The S in MSRP stands for Suggested. It’s not Manufacturer’s Mandated Retail Price.

              • SunnyLea says:

                Nonetheless MFGs can and do set prices all the time. It isn’t price-fixing and it isn’t illegal.

          • Beeker26 says:

            Actually, if you want a detailed explanation as to why you’re wrong, visit Wikipedia

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing

            Some key highlights:

            “Price fixing is permitted in some markets but not others; where allowed it is often known as resale price maintenance or retail price maintenance.”

            Wikipedia on “resale price maintenance”:

            “Resale price maintenance is the practice whereby a manufacturer and its distributors agree that the latter will sell the former’s product at certain prices (resale price maintenance), at or above a price floor (minimum resale price maintenance) or at or below a price ceiling (maximum resale price maintenance). If a reseller refuses to maintain prices, either openly or covertly (see grey market), the manufacturer will stop doing business with it.”

            It is perfectly legal for a manufacturer to dictate exactly what price point their merchandise sells for. You mention Nintendo. And they were indeed fined for price-fixing, not because they set a mandated price for their products, but because they mandated a HIGHER price be charged in certain European countries, which is a violation of EU law.

            Every single console manufacturer here in the US fixes the prices of their consoles. And it’s perfectly legal here in the US.

  3. peebozi says:

    This is against the current free market principles guiding corporate profits and their need to have all the marbles.

    I disagree with this post on corporatocracy principles!!!!!!!

  4. paladin732 says:

    Certain Gyms don’t even have the ability to discount memberships. From everything I have read online and from dealing with them Lifetime Fitness won’t haggle (Atleast at the Gold gym level)

    • missdona says:

      My gym was advertising $265 for a year- paid in advance. My husband tried to get them to budge if we bought two, and paid cash, but no dice. Anyway, I think it’s still a good price.

    • PureRainbowPower says:

      II tried to haggle the price down at a local BSC (Boston Sports Clubs). All I use is the weights. No classes, no frills. I didn’t want any contract, either. I tried by damnedest, but they wouldn’t have any of it.

    • Warble says:

      If the gym you intend to join is a 24 Hour Fitness (and it’s not one of their fancier clubs), you can’t do much better than their Costco deal, which is 300 dollars for two years, prepaid of course. It has the additional benefit of not giving them your bank information, since they’ve proven themselves to be totally untrustworthy on that front.

    • MauriceCallidice says:

      I really doubt my local Planet Fitness will go lower than the $10/month with no startup fee and no commitment I’m paying.

  5. MrsLopsided says:

    Sirius radio. I was delaying renewal because of cash flow. About 2-3 weeks after expiry they phoned and asked why I hadn’t renewed. I told them and they offered me 1/2 price for the year, no re-activation fee, and instant re-activation payable by check.

    • youbastid says:

      And if you hold off even longer, they’ll send you a mailer for $20 for 5 months of service. Only problem is you have to go without for a while. Once this 5 months is up I’m going to call them to see what I can get out of them, but it certainly won’t be $4 a month.

    • syzygy says:

      Yes, Sirius is just about the most pathetically desperate company I’ve ever seen. I happily left them after their pricing rose for like the fourth time, and still get emails and mailings begging me to come back for a song. Almost nothing, that is, not for the music.

  6. Pibbs says:

    I have never paid full price for any major purchase. I buy most of my major items at scratch and dent prices, and I find I can haggle more, since most stores are looking to get rid of those items as fast as possible. I bought a house last year, and replaced almost everything at way under retail.

    Front Load Washer and Dryer – Lowes on Clearance, Retail $1300, my price: $800
    Dishwasher – Best Buy Scratch and Dent, Retail $600, my price: $300
    Stove – Best Buy Scratch and Dent, Retail $1000, my price: $700
    Front Bay Window – Grossman’s Bargain Outlet, $500 (Lowes gave me a price of $1300)
    Coffee Table – Furniture Store Original Price: $300, My price: $95

    • balthisar says:

      Sears Appliance Outlet, if you have one near enough, for the win! The selection is huge compared to the few items they’ll have in the discount section at the normal big boxes.

      They also have matresses.

      • balthisar says:

        Dang, I hate hitting submit before fixing a irksome spelling error!

      • Pibbs says:

        I’ve found that Sears Outlet is only cheap when they are overstocked. I found rows of washing machines at fairly high prices compared to even their own retail stores. When they are overloaded with refrigerators, you can get a really good deal. When they are filling the rows with brand new but clearance models that are still in the wrapper, you are far less likely to get a good price. I bought my mother-in-law’s bottom freezer a couple years back for $700, down from $1700. I went back when I needed to buy one for myself late last year, and the same fridge was selling for $1200, with more damage than the one I had bought previously.

    • TheMonkeyKing says:

      Interesting note about scratch and dents: The item is pulled out of inventory and then qualified as distressed item. Usually the price for a distressed item begins at 90% of the original cost.

      Now, get this, if the retail item has a sale, let’s say 25% off the retail price, most places will not sell you the scratch and dent at 67.5% off retail (25% off of the 90% price). It will still be at the 90%. Why? Because it has been removed from stock at the time when it was been sold at full price. It is locked in time. Now, the best deal would be to find a dented or scratched floor model during a sale and haggle the addtional 10% off the current sale.

      • dadelus says:

        This is why I send a friend into the store with a hammer about half an hour before I go appliance shopping. :)

      • Pibbs says:

        Or, in my instance, you find a manager, or a salesperson with common sense, and explain to them this issue. Also, become friends with people in the business. I sold appliances for 6 years, and still have my connections to get a better deal. Not that I always get the best deal from them, but they can usually do better.

  7. 12-inch Idongivafuck Sandwich says:

    Rent: Not always true.

    If you rent from a corporation (Post Apartments comes to mind), you likely will not be able to negotiate rent amount. The leasing office people can’t change the rent amount (you can get the security deposit, application fee, etc knocked down/off) because it is driven by corporate. They pretty much tell you that they can’t change the rent and there isn’t anything you can do about.

    Where I am (Atlanta), if you want to live anywhere that is a little bit nicer, it is owned by a big corporate group and you have minimal negotiation ability, due to them knowing they are a little nicer and their name is out there.

    • Etoiles says:

      This is very true; how much you can haggle on rent completely depends on the market. In Boston and New York, there are a lot of individual owners or very small landlords doing the renting, and you have some wiggle and negotiation room. In NoVA I found many more large corporations that owned multiple interchangeable complexes where the rate was the rate and that was it.

      (We landed in a smaller, older, lovely building owned by a very small, local property company and they actually are quite amenable to discussion, even when they’re immovable on a rate.)

      • Michaela says:

        It isn’t just who owns the property either. The big issue in my town (a college town) is that we have more people wanting to rent than actual apartments. It’s a bit difficult to haggle when someone else is out there offering to pay full price for the same place.

    • pecan 3.14159265 says:

      The way I see it, you might not be able to negotiate the actual rent price, but anything else is fair game. My leasing office waived the security deposit based on income and credit, and waived the pet fee.

      • burnedout says:

        Ditto for me on the deposit and pet fee. The building manager was going to replace the carpet, but the carpet was in good shape, and I had two elderly (read: messy) cats and so asked if we could keep the old carpet, waive the pet deposit and get a monthly discount on the rent. He agreed to all of it (but I had to fight to get a note about the old carpet in the lease – I was afraid if he left before we moved out the new mgr would try to keep our deposit to cover damage). Anyhoo, over the life of the lease we saved $700 on the pet deposit, $360 on rent and got the full security deposit returned.

    • Science is for girls! says:

      This is definitely true in Atlanta, but there have been a huge number of vacancies. I swung that into a small concession in my building(Lane Company apartments). If you team up with a friend or two who are looking for an apartment too, you can stagger your move ins and make a mint in referrals – yes, the stars have to align, but referral fees are huge in my area right now ($500-$700 per referral).

    • zandar says:

      The last couple of places I rented, I was on a waiting list along with others. High demand + low supply= Nothing is negotiable.

    • Buckus says:

      They “Say” they can’t adjust the rent because they don’t want to. You start to walk and they will start talking. Of course, if there are 5 applications for the last vacant apartment, you’ll have trouble negotiating that price down.

      • Awesome McAwesomeness says:

        The place I live is the most expensive in the area and apartments stay full here. No negotiations possible. They have people lined up at the door to rent here b/c of the schools and location near many major corporations.

  8. Big Mama Pain says:

    Vet bills; I’ve never paid the full amount for them. Combination of pleading poverty/asking what kind of payment plans they have usually gets the bill knocked down by at least 25% if not more.

  9. Shadowfire says:

    There is little to no markup on HDTVs anymore…

    • Juhgail says:

      Thats actually not true. I was lookign for a 56″ inch. the sticker price is $2200. Cost is $1800.

      There is ALWAYS wiggle room on a TV.

      • Akanbe says:

        Firstly, what TV did you buy that was 56″? I’ve never seen a TV at that size in recent years.

        Anyways, you’re both right. When new models come out (early to mid year), there is a much higher chance that there is some margin on TVs (your example of 400 sounds about right on a big screen LED). However their end of life starts to come (late November), there is hardly any (if none at all) margin on many TVs.

  10. zigziggityzoo says:

    In addition to Financial Advisers – Mortgage brokers are flexible too.

    • INsano says:

      Ha, for real. If people haven’t noticed the collapse in housing by now and put it together that they should get a sweet deal if they’re buying, they probably shouldn’t be on the Consumerist!

  11. cmdr.sass says:

    A new SEC rule requires that Registered Investment Advisors file a new form of the ADV Part 2 called a Narrative Brochure by Mar 31, 2011 and offer them to clients no later than May 31, 2011. What this means is that Form ADV Part 2 will now be in a format easily understood by a layperson. Most advisors have different billing policies depending on the net worth and scope of work, from a fixed hourly fee for simple work like preparing a financial plan, to percent of assets under management, to a full retainer, so there is certainly wiggle room.

  12. Bativac says:

    I am in the market for a new mattress. I suffered from extreme sticker shock the last time I went mattress shopping. Any advice for haggling? Where’s the best place to buy a mattress?

    • Pinklette says:

      If you’re in a fairly large metro area and have access to a “The Dump” furniture stores I highly reccommend them. We bought our new mattress for $2000, original price of almost $10k. We couldn’t haggle them down any further, but got free delivery and a free mattress protector.

      • Juhgail says:

        First off, look at the matresses and see what you want. The sales people are STARVING for sales. I also think you do have a better shot at a better price at a sleep-ees, or matress sales store.

        Dont be affraid to pick a matress and say the price is to high. DONT say “what can you do”. Let them struggle. If you dont like the price they give ask for the price YOU want to pay (within reason). Also ask for free delivery. It doesent hurt.

        If they balk at what you want, GET UP AND WALK OUT. Say thank you and “we will take our business elsewhere”. SSure as cops eat donuts, they will counter your offer, or tell you the BEST they can do.

        Good luck.

      • Nigerian prince looking for business partner says:

        What kind of mattress goes for $10k?

    • saveourthriftysouls says:

      Furniture stores offer bonuses (spiffs) to their salespeople, and as the end of the month nears, the competition heats up. Quantity counts. I definitely recommend going at the very end of the month, and it doesn’t hurt to ask for them to throw the delivery in for free too.

  13. Mr_Human says:

    Hospital and doctor fees. If you’re getting medical services out of network, I’ve found that hospitals will really come down in price if you’re willing to negotiate. It feels weird haggling over healthcare costs, but you get over it quickly when you realize you can save a lot of money.

  14. Juhgail says:

    We negotiated $300 a month reduction in rent last time it was up for renewal.

    Also, I have bought a few mattresses in past years. DONT EVER pay sticker price. And when they give you a price, go even lower than that.

    • RandomHookup says:

      That’s a pretty big reduction. It’s harder to negotiate when you are in the place already (unless they have been reducing rent in other units). The landlord can give some, but knows you live there already and there is a huge switching cost.

      • Orv says:

        Yeah, plus if you really chisel them they may remember it next time you need something fixed or have some minor violation of the rules.

  15. Harry_Greek says:

    I would not mess with mattresses. You will be spending 6 to 7 hours on a mattress everyday.

    Also, the local matress salesfolk in my area are pretty scummy. I would not deal with them, nor entertain the option of haggling with them.

  16. babyruthless says:

    Jewelry is always “on sale” so if you don’t buy it at 30% off or more, you’re getting screwed.

    Carpet Cleaning: I was recently pricing getting my carpets cleaned, and I got a couple of quotes off the internet, and then one I entered in my contact info and they called me. They quoted me a price of $225, and I said that was too high. I wasn’t looking to haggle, just to end the call. She asked me what I was looking for, and I said $175. She countered at $179. Sold!

    • Big Mama Pain says:

      Just call Kirby and ask for an “appointment” because you are interested in buying one. As long as you can sit through a demonstration, you can get at least one rug cleaned for free!

  17. Moongirl55 says:

    Services often are negotiable in these difficult economic times: plumbers, contractors, carpenters all are looking for work. We have gotten good deals recently because of that.

    But one thing that nobody mentioned here: Sometimes, you get what you pay for. When we had all of the windows replaced in our house two years ago, we actually went with the contractor who gave us the highest bid (and wouldn’t come down any lower, even when we showed him the other quotes). We did it because he had a lot of experience with old homes like ours and it was clear he knew what he was doing. In the long run, we have not been sorry.

  18. legolex says:

    The gyms I have inquired to will not budge. And if you try and haggle with a landlord, I’m sure your answer would be “Go somewhere else to live” I tried reducing my PET FEE with my old landlord and they straight up said no. I did the Black Friday deal on our HDTV and I will definitely keep mattresses in mind when we have to get a new one.

    • Bativac says:

      Actually, at least here locally, landlords are willing to negotiate. There is a real glut of rental properties right now and lots of people are taking whatever they can get to reduce the mortgage payment on their “investment” property.

      • RandomHookup says:

        True. The thing with rent is that some rent on a unit that would go empty is better than nothing (assuming you don’t give away the farm).

  19. smo0 says:

    Mattresses. The story says you can get half off the price tag if you stick to your guns.

    I got something like an $800 discount on my new bed….

  20. YouDidWhatNow? says:

    Collectibles.

    My specific expertise is in comic books, but the same applies to anything. Whether you’re in a retail store, specific to your type of collectible, or at a convention, everything has wiggle room.

    I have also been a comic book dealer for a very long time…it’s amazing to me the number of people who will come up and just pay sticker price for whatever I have marked on something, rather than try to get a deal. Within reason…if you want one $2.00 comic book, it’s $2.00. But if you’re buying several, or looking at that comic with the $75 price tag…chances are I’ll cut you a little slack. As will any dealer.

    The biggest “trick” to it, and it isn’t a trick (hence the quotes) is just to be cordial about it. My friends and relatives think I’m some kind of bargaining savant at a comic convention, but the secret is just simply not being a dick.

    So if I see a book I want and it’s, say, $50…I’ll go up to the dealer and ask to look at it…appear interested and appreciative of the item, and say something like “I’d love to have this, but…is there any chance you’d let go for $40?” And because I’m “giving him the power” by offering him the decision point, he feels in charge and very often they give it to me for what I offered. Or, they’ll make a counter-offier…$45. And naturally, be prepared to say “thanks, maybe I’ll check back later to see if it’s still here at the end of the day” if you don’t get the deal you want.

    What you DON’T want to do is walk up to the dealer, point at an item on display, and say “I’ll give you 40 bucks for that!” That’s not an offer…it’s a confrontation, and you’re trying to put him in a weaker position. You’re not going to get anywhere with an attitude like that.

    ALWAYS be polite, always leave the dealer feeling like he’s in control, and always form your offer in such a way that it’s clear you are leaving the decision up to him – and you’ll get far.

  21. snowmentality says:

    Gym memberships, definitely. My husband saw an advertisement for $15/month gym membership and went in to sign up. He was told that sale had ended and he’d have to pay significantly more. Disappointed, he said “Well, I can’t afford that. Thanks anyway,” started to walk out, and immediately, the guy offered him the $15 price. That’s how we learned gym memberships are negotiable.

  22. Thyme for an edit button says:

    Yeah, totally works with mattresses. I discovered this on accident when I balked at the price of a mattress and the salesman offered a lower price. I didn’t realize until that moment that I could haggle over the price of the mattress. I talked him down some. Didn’t get half off, but wound up getting about 1/3 off.

  23. outoftheblew says:

    I have a rental house (my old house, before we moved). My current tenant is the only one who called about the property and asked if the price was negotiable. At the time, I was getting ready to drop the price $100, so by him asking, it saved us both from passing up the opportunity to get into a lease.

  24. Emily says:

    It’s true of gym memberships. I went in once and stated the amount my company would reimburse me for annual gym membership, and said that was as much as I was willing to pay them. The salesman and then manager swore up and down that it was impossible for it to cost so little, and tried every manner of pitch to budge me in one direction or another (“maybe you’d like a membership where you can only come in Tuesdays and Thursdays?”). I left.

    Five days later, the salesman called me and said due to a “special sale,” they could meet my price.

    It was in the Middle East that I discovered skill at haggling. Provided there is a genuine willingness to walk away, she who holds the money holds the power. You don’t have to be aggressive or raise your voice… it can even be a fun, social sort of banter.

  25. sliverworm says:

    So, are you saying you can haggle at best buy for TVs?

  26. misslisa says:

    A ten thousand dollar list price for a MATTRESS??? Good God y’all! Hell even the “sale” price of 2K was too high! I only paid $500 for mine – granted, that was 15 years ago.

  27. Juhgail says:

    My husband lived in the aprtment for 10 years. We were going for year 11. The building was not full and we knew we could get a better rent in another aprtment if they said no. The lease was for $3300, going up to $3500. We said, No, we wil pay you $3000.

    They didnt blink an eye and gave it to us. We moved this year, but rent was not going to go up.

  28. Kellis says:

    About HDTVs, nothing against the author here, but I’m really tired of the story being spread around that you can haggle on them. I sell TVs for a living at a fairly large retailer, and we have absolutely zero room to budge on a TV’s price. It doesn’t matter if it came out yesterday or three years ago, we absolutely can’t do anything about the price. If I did, I’d get fired. If my manager did, we’d both get fired.

  29. saveourthriftysouls says:

    Furniture stores offer bonuses (spiffs) to their salespeople, and as the end of the month nears, the salespeople often compete for higher bonuses. Best time to shop for mattresses is definitely at the very end of the month. Ask for free delivery too.

  30. Conformist138 says:

    Fine jewelry. Like a car, only suckers pay sticker.

  31. RogueWarrior65 says:

    I’d love to know how to do this for rent. Trouble is that my shop space is on the local Indian reservation and they have a casino. Plus, they building I’m in has no other tenants so clearly they don’t care too much about the rent being fair market rate.

  32. coach02116 says:

    Mattresses: Whatever you do, don’t buy into the “no-flip” shtick -particularly with mattresses by Serta. All mattresses need flipping; rotating does nothing other than moving sag over to your partner’s side and her sag over to your side. Furthermore, while the warranty on ours is for 10 years, Serta state that the sag has to meet a minimum depth of 1.5″ (as measured by someone they send to verify the depth of the dip) before the tortured can act upon the warranty.

    Serta: ‘Sertafide junk’