53-year-old New Hampshire grandmother Kay Phaneuf died this weekend after National Grid cut her power over an unpaid bill. Phaneuf suffered from a heart condition that required her to sleep in an oxygen tent and use a plug-in oxygen machine. The worker who disconnected the power after ringing Phaneuf’s bell and waiting several minutes at the door apparently didn’t notice a big red sign that warned people not to smoke because of the oxygen machine. National Grid is claiming they followed proper procedures, but that isn’t stopping New Hampshire’s Public Utilities Commission from opening an investigation.
David Graves, a spokesman for National Grid, said in a phone interview that the meter worker “had no record to indicate there was a medical note on the account.’’
“We follow the state regulations to protect the customer and to protect the company as well,’’ he said. “The last thing that we want to do is cut off a person’s service.’’
The account had included a medical notification, Graves said, but it had expired on May 15.
“We sent them a letter on April 30 advising them of the expiration, but there was no response,’’ Graves said. “We sent out a letter on June 1 advising them that service would be shut off no earlier than June 15, but they didn’t respond to that either. In our review of this event, we found nothing to indicate that we didn’t follow proper procedure. And there is nothing so far to indicate that the shutoff of electricity had anything to do with her medical emergency.’’
He said the company goes beyond the state’s 60-day medical notification requirement and gives 90 days.
The President of the company, Tom King, added: “[w]e take this matter very seriously…”
The Public Utilities Commissions has asked the company to produce a slew of records, and is working to make sure that other utilities adhere to their own procedures so that no other customers die such thoroughly avoidable deaths.
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NH woman on oxygen dies after power cut to home [AP]
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Yeah, this so isn’t right. Here’s an idea: if you have a medical exemption on file perhaps you NEVER cancel it until you’ve spoken with the customer or their doctors. This “well your exemption expired so we’ll turn off your power and kill you” is bullshit.
And what if she had already died an no one notified the electric company? They tried several times, ringing her doorbell the day the electricity was cut off, even notifying her that her medical status on the account had expired…how were they supposed to know that she wasn’t already dead or had moved out?
At some point they could probably get law enforcement intervention?
That is not the job of law enforcement.
The facts are the system is always going to be one where if you ignore everything and don’t keep the company updated, they are allowed to assume you no longer have the medical reason.
It would be too expensive for the company to have to prove she doesn’t need it first. And anyone that needs it to live, is going to keep the company notified, unless they chose to die.
And lets not forget, she wasn’t paying the bill. She had no right to the electricity. Even if she had the exemption, the electric company would have gone through some eventual process to legally shut it off and get her removed from the house. Social services would have been called. But if no one tells the company she is still there, legally they assume she is not there. That is the way it will always work.
Well, if they suspect she’s defrauding the company, or she may have died then I don’t see why they cant ask the cops to check on her and make sure she’s still alive. They could look in her mailbox and see if she’s still getting mail or something… The medical paper work was on there for SOME reason… so it might be worth just asking the cops to check on her before the pull the plug. That being said, I have no idea why she (or the caregiver) couldn’t answer back.
You do realize that if the power company called the police for every customer that defaulted, that the cops would be doing nothing else? I sincerely doubt they police would be willing to do it, anyway. You need to take into account the sheer numbers involved, and the insane amount of hoops any company has to go through before they can legally disconnect someone. It’s sad that this happened, maybe if there was someone in that poor woman’s life to help her out with her bills it wouldn’t have happened, but you can’t blame the power company.
They don’t have to call for every customer that fails to pay, but they should probably consider calling for every customer that fails to pay *AND* has a recently-expired medical notice. That’s a much smaller number.
Or unless they’re senile and aren’t quite sure if they did notify the company. When my grandma was circling the drain she remembered to do most things like turn the oven off, lock the door, put away the milk, buy toilet paper. She left $30,000 in tax debt because at some point she just stopped understanding and/or remembering property taxes.
It’s unacceptable to shut off the electricity without making sure you make that person completely aware of what you’re doing. And that IS what law enforcement is for. It’s theft of services and they probably could’ve gone to the cops and made a stink. Laziness won out.
I live in NH and work for an organization that helps families by providing financial assistance for utility shut-offs, and I can tell you that the electric/natural gas companies here give customers plenty of notice before disconnecting the power. Not only did they send her a letter stating her medical note had expired (you have to renew every year), but when they send a “Notice of Disconnect”, you get it AT LEAST 2 weeks before they actually come to disconnect you. And even then, they will make phone calls to the home and knock on the door once they do come to shut you off. In this case, I think National Grid performed their due diligence and are not at fault.
How many attempts to contact the customer would you feel is sufficient? This woman was receiving monthly bills shut off notices, phone calls and actually had a electric company employee knocking on her door. you really don’t think that made a fair attempt to notify her?
Stop babying people that don’t pay their bills. If they’re unemployed and/or handicapped and legitimately can’t pay but are at least making a fair effort (which involves communicating with the people you owe money to) then that’s different. But you can’t just ignore the bills and expect them to go away.
“That is not the job of law enforcement.”
But it is one of fire/EMS. Our department does occasionally do welfare checks. Actually, our police department will as well. It just depends on where you are.
If what the company says is true, I am not sure there was much more it could have done. Whoever was in charge of her care (herself or her kids if she was senile), was responsible for ignoring the letters notifying them of the imminent shutoff.
That person is responsible for her death.
I agree. She may have been disabled but it doesn’t excuse her for having to take responsibility for paying her bills. How long does a person have to go without paying their electric bill before they turn off the power. I’d think that it would be a few months at least. Once she received her first shut down notice she needed to get on the phone with the power company as well as her closest relatives asap.
Put it this way.
I agree that the laws (in this case company policy) adheres and applies to everyone who signed a contract with the company, however there is such exceptions as this where further or additional steps must’ve been taken to avoid such “thoroughly avoidable” unfortunate incidents. It’s like “calamity prevention” and wise companies have this on their agenda (nonetheless policies), similar to the courtroom allowing appeals, arrests allowing lawyers.. and companies must expect exceptional cases out of their policy, hence the need for customer service representatives on a day-to-day basis. If everything was to policy and strictly so, hey, just read the policy or FAQ, you’re no one special, just another customer.
A morally active business (and a company as large as this) has the responsibility to attend to customer needs and obligated (more morally then legal) to take different action in different circumstances. I agree with the previous post, the company would be infringing on privacy issues (a whole new topic), if the customer was being monitored for usage of its’ services, but don’t you think if the company sent someone to checkup on the individual 2-3 times (or maybe even once) before the disconnection of the service, in fact solely due to the fact that the client had a serious health condition on file, he/she deserves a more microscopic care.
..to elaborate, I found this quite amusing and recklessly pathetic to say the least:
“David Graves, a spokesman for National Grid, said in a phone interview that the meter worker “had no record to indicate there was a medical note on the account.”
“no record”??
Then..
The account had included a medical notification, Graves said, but it had expired on May 15.
“We sent them a letter on April 30 advising them of the expiration, but there was no response,’’ Graves said.
So buddy, just because someone’s medical notification expired on file, should definately not mean they’re off the radar.
So, in this case, if a doctor finishes a surgery on a patient, let’s say a heart surgery or neural surgery, and the patient appeared “fine”. Should the doctor not checkup on the client?
Yes, the doctor actually treated the medical condition, but nonetheless, the company could have devoted extra care or attention to this specific patient – and please, don’t shower me with things about company costs, or additional fees – can you price tag someone’s life?
Sorry but these company’s couldn’t care less and should with a MEDCIAL condition confirm that the person isn’t on a resperator or something before shutting off the power.
I don’t imagine the technician was looking through her bedroom window, seeing her in the oxygen tent and shutting down the power all the while maniacally laughing (MUUUUHAHAHHAHAHAH!).
They have checks in place to prevent this sort of thing happening that require participation by the customer. Unless we want to give up all our privacy protections so that all of our utilities know about our health situation at all times, I think the checks are pretty reasonable.
And…
If a patient dies because he couldn’t afford his medication to keep him alive do we complain? Yes, it’s human to be upset, but if you make rules where money is more important than people what do you expect.
Also, just because she has a sign saying she uses an oxygen tent doesn’t mean she should get special consideration. What does that mean to me if I see it? It means don’t smoke nothing more, nothing less. They went the extra step. They went to her door. She didn’t answer, she missed the bill, it’s clearly her fault. Situation sucks, but the company did their part. One person dies out of millions of people and we should change the system, why?
And honestly, from the journalistic standpoint, the fact that she is a grandmother is irrelevant. She could be a mother of 3, grandmother of 10 or a transvestite, none of that matters. All you are trying to do is provoke an emotion response, not cool.
If a patient dies because he couldn’t afford his medication to keep him alive do we complain?
Yes we do, because that’s barbarous. You’re used to it, because that’s the system we’ve suffered under for decades here in the US, but in any other civilized nation letting someone die of a treatable disease simply because they were poor is regarded as a crime against humanity.
Oh really? Tell that to all the people who don’t the surgeries they need because they don’t have insurance. Tell that to all the people who don’t get aids medicine. All the people who die on the streets because they can’t afford a home, much less a medical bill (It’s sad that the bill would cost more than the house, but it does).
How about the millions that could be saved from simple immunizations across the country, never mind the world. And you tell me we complain? Forgive me, but no we don’t complain. People die everyday because of the cost of medical treatment. The rich get better and the poor die, that’s how it works in this country.
I think the point was that some of us, like crashfrog, do care and therefore complain but also complain about how not enough people complain about it. That is the sad situation.
The details of the case are murky at this point, but I agree about the poor choice of headlines Consumerist used. It’s an irrelevant detail. Might as well have said she’s a 53-year-old daughter, because, well, she’s someone’s daughter, right?
It’s a bit sensational to mention that she’s a grandmother.
However, I don’t have kids and, honestly, there are more people that will be upset about her death than mine. It’s slightly relevant.
Just because one situation is horrible and intolerable doesn’t make this one any more acceptable.
How about the millions that could be saved from simple immunizations across the country, never mind the world.
And how about the ones that aren’t immunized because some idiot actress tells them not to?
Well said. I weep for the (lack of) compassion in this country.
Amen,
i used to have no compassion for the poor and sick, then my grandfather made me volunteer with him at a homeless shelter for a day when i was younger, it completely changed my outlook on life and how fortunate i am to have food, electricity, heat, water, and shelter.
^THIS^
+1
Western civilization is too narcissistic and lacking in empathy to be believed. It’s amazing people even bother to stop for pedestrians anymore.
Thank you.
Clearly her fault? To paraphrase, when did ‘there but for the grace of God go I’ turn into, ‘Sucks to be you’?
Oh, and by the way: “State law currently prohibits shutoffs in cases where power is needed for medical reasons.”
The company didn’t do its part, not by a long shot.
How are they to know the electricity is required for medical reasons IF THEY DIDN’T RENEW THE INFORMATION THAT TELLS THEM SO? That is the person’s responsibility, NOT the company’s.
Why does the information expire at all?
That’s a different issue. The fact is that it does and (if the company is to be believed) the lady was notified.
If she was too infirm to even open her mail or pa her bills she doesn’t belong living on her own. If she was then it’s her own falt for not responding to ANYTHING.
That is, if the company is to be believed.
In NH, medical exceptions for utility accounts must be renewed every 6 to 12 months, depending on which utility company you have. Just because someone has necessity for a medical exemption one year does not necessarily indicate that the medical condition will exist indefinitely.
Because people move, die, or have temporary impairments.
How is the company to know the Electricity was needed for the Oxygen, could it not have been derived from bottles?
The medical exemption expired. They sent notice to her doctor. They sent notice that the electricity would be shut off.
The company has no reason to believe that such a condition still existed. I could get one of those “oxygen in use, no smoking” signs. And as someone else said, how were they to know that she required power and wasn’t on bottles.
What happened was tragic, but I think the woman’s family deserves their share of the blame. Apparently, her husband couldn’t or wouldn’t pay the power bills, neglected to renew the medical exemption which would keep his wife alive–and finally he left his critically ill wife in the home alone without a battery backup for her oxygen machine. Had she had just a 2-hour backup she would be alive today (assuming her death was caused by her machine shutting off). IMO, I think the husband should be investigated for negligent homicide.
On a side note, the sign on the door primarily admonished guests not to smoke. Nowhere in the sign did it emphasize that the oxygen was dependent on electricity. How was the meter-man supposed to know if her family failed to notify him of the urgency?
This, exactly this. Where was her family? We’re supposed to feel compassion and want to pay her bill for her, but isn’t that what family is for? Besides the horrible acts of her husband, what about the neighbors? How is a utility worker supposed to know better when the people literally closest to her don’t?
Jeez have some compassion, unless this happens to someone locally you really do not know how it is for people.
there was a 70 year old man in my area that froze to death because the utility company shut off his gas and electricity during one of the coldest months in Michigan. He was only 5 months behind in payments.
“Only”? If I was “only” five months behind in my payments to Con Ed, I’d be in debt to them to the tune of $565. And I’d rightfully expect them to shut me off.
Was that the one where the guy refused to hit the button that would have turned it back on?
http://consumerist.com/2009/01/utility-freezes-93-year-old-to-death-for-overdue-bill.html
Living in Michigan, if you get a month behind you can call and get on a program to help with payment and not have your gas or electricity turned off. If he was that infirm, he then needs person to help with these things. This woman obviously was not paying her bill. Maybe she could not afford it. BUT, why didn’t her kids, grandkids. or neighbors help her out and make sure things would be ok.
Oh thats right, the kids are too busy with their lives to care about their mother.
Sounds to me like they acted responsibly. They had no way of knowing someone’s life depended on that electricity, and you really can’t expect them to give it away free indefinitely to everyone who doesn’t pay their bill.
Whether or not someone’s life depended on the power is irrelevant. She didn’t pay the damn bill. If the power is that important to you – then pay your damn bill. Or make sure whomever is taking care of you or your family sees to it that it gets done. Otherwise, suffer the consequences.
Why should she get free power because she’s sick? Next thing you know, everyone’s filing a “medical exemption”, no one’s paying, and rates go up for the rest of the consumers who are paying.
It’s a shame that she died, but ultimately not the fault of the utility.
You are an asshole.
But he’s not wrong…
quite succinct. I would say the a-hole is the person that didn’t pay their bill and was shocked that the power got shut off.
She wasn’t really shocked that her power was turned off. She was just kind of dead.
I disagree, but you’re entitled to your opinion so it doesn’t upset me in the least. However – since you think I’m wrong for expecting someone (or their guardian/family) to pay their own bills – why don’t you do what you think I’m doing wrong? Go out, find someone who can’t pay their bills and is threatened with disconnection, and pay their bill.
Keep doing it for as long as people don’t want to or can’t pay their bills. Do it for everyone, everywhere. After a while, let me know what you think.
No, dg is right. Based on the article, there were steps that the woman or others could have taken to prevent this situation from occurring. If she or her caretakers did not follow those steps (renewing the medical exemption, paying the bill, contacing the electricity company and claiming hardship), the situation would have turned out differently. The customer (or his/her caergivers) has a responsibility to uphold his/her end of the deal–you pay , or get the necessary paperwork in order to show that you can’t/don’t have to pay, and the electric company keeps the lights on.
Where do you expect her to get the money to pay the bill?
That’s not my concern, nor the concern of the utility. She gets to figure it out on her own. If she can’t, then whomever is responsible for her as a guardian or conservator gets to handle it.
Just like any contract that one enters into – it’s not the responsibility of the other party to the contract to figure out how the other person is going to fulfill it. When you enter into a contract, you figure out how you’re going to fulfill it BEFORE you sign. If you know you can’t, then don’t enter into it. If you do, then the other party is well within their rights to expect you to perform.
Yeah, stuff happens – but again, it’s not the responsibility of the other party to handle that for you. You deal with your own problems.
That people don’t, and expect the Government to bail them out all the time is wrong…
I sincerely hope you don’t have a family.
I do. I deal with my family, I don’t expect others to do it for me. And if some relative of mine had passed away because they didn’t pay their bill, I would feel saddened for the loss, but unless they told me or someone I knew and they screwed up – I couldn’t blame the utility…
That’s horrible.
Right before I saw this, I’d just finished watching SAW VI, so this really doesn’t surprise me.
on one hand I have to say the power company did all they could (phone, letters, showing up in person). they went beyond their regular duties.
on the other hand: i medical note shouldn’t have an expiration date! You need an oxygen tent – I really dont think your reasons for needing this oxygen tent is “suddenly gonna go away” one night.
The medical note should always transfer from month to month unless notified otherwise.
If you had a medical exemption from having your power turned off on file, and were so far behind on the bill that the exemption is the only thing keeping you from sitting in the dark, wouldn’t you neglect to tell the power company when you got better? There’s a reason things like this have a time limit, to keep people from abusing it.
good point, i didn’t think of it in that sense. thank you
I also think that if someone desperately needs the electricity to stay alive, mail from the electric company would be high priority – open it, and either pay the bill or call them. It sounds like either the lady or the people taking care of her were a little negligent with the mail.
Actually, there’s a couple reasons that an Oxygen Tent wouldn’t be needed any longer… People occasionally get better
The thing with medical notes is eventually, the person behind the note no longer needs it. Eventually, they get better – or they die.
If the note doesn’t require periodic recertification what’s to keep a relative of that person from continuing to enjoy free, or extremely cheap power on the power company’s dime?
How does a “medical notification” expire? It just seems that there are some conditions, like a heart condition in this case, that should always be on file with a utility company to avoid just a situation like this.
The person with the condition dies, but it was not the resident or the person who pays the bill? When people care for their aging parents (or terminal kids.)
I know a guy who had his leg amputated after a motorcycle crash. He has handicapped plates, but has to re-apply every couple of years. I guess they have to make sure it hasn’t grown back yet.
He needs to renew, because maybe at some point he no longer drives. Therefore his need for these plates would be gone. If he did it forever, the plates would pass to his kids, grandkids, and then to whomever. I also have an issue with her using the system to get electricity for free. They can not shut her off while she forces the rest of us to pay for it? I think I want her husband checked for negligence and her children as well.
I know I make sure the things my mother needs to stay alive are taken car eof IMMEDIATELY. I don;t sit around and hope.
i have to renew my certification for FMLA eligibility every fews months. like my type 1 diabetes is suddenly going to go away.
my doctor agrees, that there should be an option for a medical provider to indicate the permanence of a condition which would keep something like this from expiring. several letters from my doctor later and they agreed to only make me renew it every 6 months instead of every 3
It’s the death panels in action!
Ahhhh Socialism!!!
I think having to renew your doctor’s note every 2 months is excessive. They should have more permanent notes available, especially those with chronic/life long medical issues.
That, and the emergency battery should have kicked in, that needs to be looked at. An unforeseen power outage could have killed her, too.
I thought state law specified two months, but the power company only needed an update every three months.
Dat’s racist!
I’m not really sure it is, but I wanted to be the first to say it before the NAACP or ACLU gets involved.
Dat’s racist!
There, I said it again.
It’s not racist; but your post is.
god bless murica .
I any one of us turned off this woman’s oxygen, we’d be charged with murder. How is this any different? How is this not a corporate-sanctioned execution? If a big, powerful, politically connected company kills you, they pay a fine and settle with the family out of court while if you or I kill grandma and don’t have our own Dream Team of lawyers, we get to spend the rest of our lives holding our hands over our a$$e$ in the prison shower. And you thought this was still a democracy and not a corporatist republic?
It’s not like the power company turned the power off to spite the woman; she wasn’t paying her bill.
Human lives trump money.
Seriously? You don’t see the difference here? They didn’t turn off her oxygen. They provided her with a service (electricity), she stopped paying for the service, they stopped providing the service. This woman was either a victim of neglect or she committed suicide. There is no way to view this situation that places any fault on the electric company. They did everything right.
I completely agree. It’s a sad story, but we can’t expect the power company to just keep giving their service for free.
If you literally need it to live, then yes, I think we can expect the power company to provide it for free. Human lives trump money.
But they didn’t know she did need it anymore, as she wouldn’t respond to their inquiries about just that.
If the power company knew there was someone there relying on electricity, they would not have cut the power.
The company proactively notified the customer 15 days prior to expiration that it was due for renewal, and did not receive a response. (National Grid policy allows medical notices to go for 90 days, which is more more than state law requires).
The customer was given several notices that their account was delinquent, and a shut off would occur, and they did not respond.
If National Grid showed up out of the blue and cut the power, that would be one thing, but in this case they provided multiple notices and opportunities for the customer to say “hey, someone will die if you cut our power” (in which case they would continue to get electricity without having to pay for it.)
Like the sick and their care takers really have the time to constantly jump through hoops so that big corporations do not lose a few bucks with out the proper documentation so they can get reimbursed by tax credit .
To re-do the same paper work every couple of month’s for the utility’s or insurance or what ever is ridiculous and just a form of harassment .It is especially evident for people that have life long or terminal illness
I look through this thread and I am embarrassed to be a American .We seem show no concern for others only concern if we may some how directly or indirectly be footing the bill for a person we feel is more than likely gaming the system some how. There is no profit in humanitarian activity , so it seems that in America we are doing our best to eradicate it . Compassion and empathy for our fellow man are being replaced by R.O.I. and profit margins .That my friends is nothing to be proud of .
Calling a power company to say, “No, please don’t turn off our power. Someone’s life depends on it” is hardly an unreasonable “hoop” to ask people to jump through. If the family had responded and said, “We need more time to pay and/or get the paperwork,” and THEN the company had heartlessly cut them off, I would agree that the company was in the wrong. But apparently that’s not how it happened. Whoever was responsible for paying the utility bills is the person who needs to be blamed in this case.
The reason that these medical exemptions must be renewed is because people move frequently in today’s society. The company tried multiple times to alert this family, first that the medical exemption was expiring, then that the bill had not been paid, and finally that the power was going to be shut off. They even had someone knock on the door (and I have to wonder why no one answered)! What more were they supposed to do? Were they supposed to supply free electricity to this address indefinitely because once-upon-a-time someone with a medical condition lived there? This woman might have moved, she might have been put in a nursing home, she might have already died, for all that the company knew. What, exactly, were they supposed do to that they did not? Attempts to contact the residents were unsuccessful.
A single phone call from the residents could have prevented this from happening. If we are going to give people ANY freedom to make their own choices, that must include the freedom to make bad choices, and obviously a bad choice was made here BY THE RESIDENTS–the choice to ignore numerous, timely warnings that the power was going to be shut off. The result was tragic. But the idea that we can make criminally bad choices but make someone else responsible the consequences is one of the (many) absurdities of far-left idealism.
Yeah, I mean how was the power company supposed to know that she hadn’t just regrown her lungs? I mean that happens all the time, right?
Human lives trump bureaucracy, too.
True, if it was a rich white woman…uproar.
If she was a rich woman, she would have been able to pay her utility bills.
“How is this any different?”
Simple: Intent and motive.
Sad… being a person who had to deal with medical issues, company restrictions and paperwork – I gotta say, getting a doctor’s note or signature on anything is a pain in the ass, I had to keep up on it. I went down to the various offices, got photocopies, did my own faxing and calling around.
Much of the responsbility lies with the patient (whether it’s supposed to or not) having my experiences, I would never rely on these company’s to do their jobs. If she lacked the capacity to do this, be it for medical reasons, she should have had someone maintain these records (keep up with renewals of the paperwork.)
If it’s state law that the power doesn’t get cut for medical reasons, then the power company should have never had an expiration date.
Over all, I blame the system which forces people to have to keep tabs on their “paperwork.”
To be fair, wouldn’t there need to be some sort of expiration? I mean the alternative is that if someone in a household ever required electric for medical reasons, then as long as electric remained in the same persons name, they could never get shut off. So for example, person B owns home, person A moves in and has a medical note requiring electricity not to be turned off. Person A moves somewhere else/dies/etc. Person B can now not pay their electric bill for as long as they live there an not risk having the power shut off. Periodically renewing your status seems like a fair compromise.
Why shouldn’t individuals be responsible for their own paperwork? Why should the burden get pushed onto someone else just so YOU don’t have to take care of it yourself?
Generally speaking, I shouldn’t have to get up and use my time to fax paperwork and make phone calls to make sure people have the appropriate information about whatever medical condition or situation I’m dealing with – that’s why I pay my insurance company the big $$.
There is nothing in the policy stating I have to do this, it should be done. In reality, it’s not – that’s why I stated that if she was unable to take care of this paperwork herself, she should have designated someone do it for her, POA so to speak.
Your insurance company isn’t your personal assistant. Perhaps you have a distorted perception regarding what your insurance company is supposed to provide. It’s not your insurance company’s job to ensure all of your personal affairs are in order, and it shouldn’t have to pay someone to track down your utility company and other service providers that might need to know about your medical issues and inform them. If you want someone to take care of that stuff for you, hire a personal assistant. Otherwise, grow up and realize that these things are part of being a functioning, independent adult.
Awesome. I did that. I’m commenting that it shouldn’t be a requirement (and it isn’t) that I continuously seek approvals and fax info.
I’ve seen it work, when a doctor’s office has their ducks in a row and keeps a go-between regarding faxes and mailing documentation. I’ve also seen it fail miserably with a response, “we haven’t gotten around to it yet.” It’s the difference between submitting requests to have something done, and submitting a request then doing it yourself. They still make out with your money.
Very sad…BUT from the facts presented, the company followed all requirements…the family did not, even after multiple notices. I know there was a sign on the door, and I’d probably have at least called back to the home office for a double check/confirmation before cutting the power but I’m sure anyone can make a random sign to put on the door. Curious, does the application with the medical note possibly include other family/doctor contacts, in this case, just to be on the safe side, might have been a good idea to call them. Also, the article says she was unconscious within an hour of the power being shut off. That would seem to indicate that had the power simply gone out, she’d have been in this same situation, again tragic, but, at least where I live, pretty likely to happen over any reasonable length of time.
An your have a problem with non-voluntary opt out?
I’d like to see people taking more personal responsibility – if your LIFE depends on a machine that requires electricity then you need to make sure you’re doing everything correctly to have electricity, and you need to make sure you have a back-up. I wouldn’t put my life in the hands of a corporation like an electric company…
I’d also like to see the medical notes or whatever they were be valid for 1 year & renewable.
Perfect. It’s tragic that this happened, but I agree that if your life depends on it, get it taken care of. Sadly, since this person (or her family) didn’t take care of her priorities, a company made the decision for her.
But Phaneuf, who relied on an oxygen machine because she suffered from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, or COPD, was inside. By the time her husband, Stephen, arrived home an hour later, she was unconscious. The machine, a plug-in, had stopped working. Stephen Phaneuf called 911. Two days later, his 54-year-old wife was dead…..
It could of just been her time too.
I hate to sound crass here, but the company isn’t her caregiver. The company has clear rules in place to prevent this, and they were followed to the letter. If anyone here is at fault it is the caregiver for negligence in caring for the woman. If you bleeding hearts want to go after someone, go after THAT person for failing to keep her bills paid, failure to apparently keep her notification current, and failure to even apparently read the mail coming into the home which clearly would have shown that this was a pending disaster.
Where in the world has personal responsibility gone in this world? What do you expect companies to just give free services to everyone? How about in 20 years when the boomers are retired? You want all of the boomers that didn’t save adequately for retirement to have all of their bills paid for too? Its sad that you all are cloaking personal irresponsibility in a thin layer of “corporate greed”, or in-humanity. How about the greed of the people that didn’t plan for the future.
Take this, my neighbor buys new cars every 2 years and gets all of the new toys when they are released. Should I have to cover his medical expenses, and apparently now utility bills when he is older and can’t afford to pay? THAT is the takeaway here.
This. Unfortunately, many commenters on here don’t believe in any sort of personal responsibility; they believe others should just take care of them, for the sake of “humanity.”
Yeah! Society works so much better when we look out for #1 and screw over everyone else!
1: she wasn’t disabled, she was elderly and on life sustaining medical equipment.
2: who do you believe screwed her? the post office? the envelope company? The electric company for not providing free service? or her caregiver for not paying the bill or providing updated information?
She wasn’t even elderly. She was only 53. That is hardly elderly. Total responsibility falls on her husband and/or family to make sure these things are taken care of.
The electric company is a quasi-socialist enterprise and should indeed have a responsibility not to shut off power to the disabled. Having to repeatedly submit notification not to shut off power is unduly burdensome to sick people–one notice per lifetime should be enough. Assuming there aren’t too many shutoffs per day the FD or PD should check on occupants before any shutoff.
“one notice per lifetime should be enough.”
What happens if she recovers from her illness? Should she keep receiving free power? Everything has an expiration date for a reason.
YOU DON’T RECOVER FROM COPD, JESUS. READ.
She relies on this machine to live, but it did not have battery backup? Or at least adequate battery backup? So a tree branch taking down a power line would have killed her just the same?
She received notice that her medical letter was going to expire, she received notice that her power was going to be shut off, and she presumably received notice that she had not paid her electric bill. Who was reading the mail? She lived with her husband, did he just ignore the notices?
It sounds to me like the power company did everything right here. They did nothing unreasonable. I can’t believe so many people are blaming the power company and ignoring the husband’s role in this. His neglect led to her death. I think you’re all just blinded by corporate hate.
Continuous oxygen machines do not have batteries. They require electricity to work, portable oxygen tanks are simply just tanks and when they run out you need to change the tanks. Where I live if you have a documented medical condition that requires electricity the utility company is supposed to supply you with a back up generator in case their is some emergency that causes you to loose power.
UPS – uninterruptable power supply, we have them at work and they will provide 12-14 hours of run time to the control systems to get the facility to a safe condition, they generally contain batteries and aren’t a part of any system but they provide continuous and filtered power even if the power source is lost. this is something she should have had if it was so important to keep the equipment running.
The UPS you have at work that supplies the building (more likely only the datacenter) with 12-14hrs uptime is probably the size of a small house. At least a large room full of car batteries.
while ours supplies more than just our datacenter, a reasonably sized UPS for her would have at least notified her of a problem, again if it was that crucial a generator or UPS system should have been installed with it.
Since when do batteries not provide electricity?
I sort of agree with you. Notifications were sent left and right. They even went to the door to check. It is sad to see someone die, but I can’t seem to find any reason why it would be the company’s fault. The only other thing I could think of is if the company had some sort of emergency phone number where they could call the doctor or caregiver.
I don’t know the full story or how the law applies to this situation. Maybe they will find the facts in the investigation.
I don’t understand something. If her life depended on electrically powered equipment, then where was the backup system? And why didn’t that kick in when the power was cut? Did she have a generator on standby ready to kick on?
If there was no backup system, then this was just a disaster waiting to happen.
I agree. If the power had gone out for ANY reason, the same thing would have happened. The electric company cannot control things like storms or someone running into a power pole. The caretaker’s failure to have a backup system in place is the real cause of this woman’s death.
I work with in-home oxygen equipment as part of my job, so i may be able to offer some relevant information.
O2 concentrators are very common these days, especially among senior citizens, and while they are often very beneficial for a patient’s quality of life, it’s highly unusual that a person would die within an hour of being off of one. They are usually intended to be supplemental as opposed to life-sustaining, and the paperwork signed by a client when taking delivery will typically state as such. In addition, my company. at least, requires a patient to have at least several hours of back-up tank oxygen on site in case a client loses power or needs to make an emergency trip to the hospital.
As another commenter noted, the sign on the door was simply a sign informing visitors not to smoke around the patient’s oxygen concentrator, not a “This person is confined to an oxygen tent and will die if the power is cut off” sign.
While I think it’s awful that this poor person died, IMHO, the neglegtfulness and sheer stupidity of whomever was tasked with providing for her well-being was the real cause of her death. Machine failures and power outages aren’t just common, they’re inevitable. To not plan for such a happenstance, especially when given three month’s notice is the very definition of carelessness.
Since the article pimps the fact that she was a grandmother, where was her family?
These guys aren’t at fault.
I don’t agree with the idea that they are somehow at fault. The lady’s medical note thingy wasn’t renewed (A recent consumerist article explained that it must be done every 30 or 60 days), and so they had no way of knowing about it. She didn’t respond when told of this. She didn’t respond when told she hadn’t paid and service would be cut off, and so her service was cut off.
How is that anyone’s fault but her own?
How do they know if their letters or expiration and past due were even sent??
Because they put them in the mail and they weren’t returned. With that, they have sent them, and they are not at fault even if they weren’t received.
It’s entirely possible the letters weren’t sent; I don’t know how many people have lied to me about them giving me notice about something. On the other hand, I have given people notice, and been yelled at for not doing so. Then, upon giving them the date, they ‘suddenly found’ the notice in their e-mail or files.
There are a lot of things to check out here, and proof of having sent notice is only one of them.
From the article-
“It’s fairly obvious that she needed to be hooked up to a machine to live, and the oxygen device that she required to live was no longer operable because there was no electricity,’’ Patten said.
He said the machine had a backup battery but it had not been activated and he did not know whether it was working properly.
A battery backup that requires manual activation is useless for a medical device that you might not notice if it isn’t operating (especially if you’re sleeping).
The solution here was simple. Plug the device into a good sized UPS. An APC Back-UPS RS-1500 with the extended run option can be purchased for $300-400, and provides about 250Wh of power. That sounds like enough to have kept the oxygen tent’s device from operating for at least an hour, although I have no idea how much power it might use.
The important thing, though, is that as soon as the power failed and the UPS activated, the LOUD ANNOYING BEEPING would have woken her up, at which point she could have called 911 (or at least been aware that she might need to).
Power is unreliable. This is a fact of life. An accident (Tree falling? Storm? Car crash? Blown transformer? Burnt fuse? Tripped circuit?) could have caused her power to fail for longer than an hour, which apparently was enough to kill her. What if the power failed normally during the night and stayed off for an hour? They’d have all slept right through it, and she’d be dead.
It’s a really unfortunate situation, but the family clearly did not take adequate precautions to ensure that the equipment she required to live was sufficiently reliable.
I hope the CEO or top guy goes to jail for murder. If it was a rich white woman who accidentally had her power off somehow due to National Grid “Headline NEWS at 10!”
I realize you are being sarcastic (at least I hope you are) but a rich white woman would have paid her electric bill.
First, the electric service should never have been cut off for the house. If they had a medical exemption on file within the last YEAR or perhaps even more, they should absolutely have to speak with someone in the house to confirm that the exemption is no longer needed. There’s NO room for “Well, the old lady shoulda sent the form in!”
This was the result of laziness, stupidity, and likely greed. You think they want renewals of these medical exemptions for YOUR benefit? They want them to expire so that they can use the motivation of you losing power.
Second, though, these sorts of medical devices should have some serious backup power. If it is critical to a person’s survival, a drunk driver taking out a power line should not be able to stop its operation. Seems pretty simple, right?
Why?
Why is there no room for “She should’ve done her responsibility and sent the form in”? Why should they be punished for following protocol? Why are they at fault for not going “Well, maybe we should ignore the fact that the form wasn’t sent in”?
It is not. The electric company’s fault. That they didn’t renew the form thing.
It is not. Their job. To give leeway on such things.
Don’t want your power cut off because you need it for medical purposes? Then don’t fucking forget to send in your renewal form. It’s a very simple concept and it blows my mind that people are actually blaming the electric company for this stuff!
How many very ill people have you dealt with? Having known and helped a few older people with serious health issues, I can tell you that it does mess with their mental capacity.
Hey, if you ever wind up needing an oxygen machine due to a serious terminal illness that also gives you about 5 seconds of short-term memory at a time, I hope you stick by your guns on the “The dead lady got what she had comin’” issue.
In these situations, there’s very little the utility companies can do — they sent multiple letters and sent somebody to the door. The woman in question lived with her husband, who is ultimately responsible for what happened. If I had to wager a guess, I’d say that they were most likely behind on several bills and simply stopped opening the past due notices. The letters from the electric company were probably tossed without ever being opened.
I sympathize, but mistakes happen, and if you don’t pay your bill, and the mistake happens to you, then, well? And yes, this could certainly happen to me in a distant future. That’s the risk I’d take by being a deadbeat.
I am very familiar with National Grid’s medical policy, because I processed medical documents, put disconnect notices on hold for customers with medical emergencies and called in emergency cut-in’s (where a customers power was disconnected and they send in proper paperwork to get it reconnected).
I would first like to point out that service technicians have NO information regarding past medical documentation for customers. They receive a disconnect order, arrive at the premise to attempt a field collection/make contact with the customer.
I worked on accounts from a different state, so my what I experienced may not be what the NH PUC requires, but I am fairly certain that National Grid has a uniform policy across the company that satisfies all regulators in all the states they operate in, and I believe they exceed the length of time required by all those regulators.
There are two ways of preventing your power from being disconnected for medical reasons: You submit requests for holds for 60 days (temporary holds to prevent abuse) or you can enroll in the life-support program which is permanent and requires tagging of the meter and offers closer monitoring by field supervisors and customer service during an outage. I don’t recall the requirements of life support (I didn’t process those) but I know that things like dialysis machines are accepted.
The process goes like this, and I have to admit that most people I encountered who used the medical emergency were people who were behind on their bills, had their power cut off, and used their kids nebulizer as a reason to get it back on. Many repeat customers, many obvious forgeries, many BS excuses (depression, fear of the dark, special food in the fridge, etc) that I was required to turn back on or put on hold because they have a note from the doctor stating that loss of power would be detrimental to the health of the customer. That was the key phrase. Now, if I received a note without those magical words, I would still place the account on hold for two weeks, call the customer and tell them to resend a revised note. If i received an illegible fax and could make out the account number only, they would still get that hold. After the hold or cut in is processed, a letter immediately goes out to the customer explaining that this is a 60 day extension for the customer to allow them time to make arrangements for the bill. Before the 60 days is up, another reminder is sent that expiration is imminent. After it expires, normal disconnect procedures are followed which could take another few weeks with the sending of a notice, phone calls, etc. When your power is about to be shut off, unless you don’t have a phone or a mailbox, you will know about it.
It seemed this customer should have been on life-support, but the company does not review each account with a medical hold to determine that, it is the customers responsibility. Documents that are sent for medical emergencies specifically point out the life support program.
I may have missed a lot, and again I worked in a different state and I am not familiar with NH regulations, but that is the gist of how the system works. This person should have either been on a life support program or have kept up with the many documents and phone calls sent to them. And as a rule, to anyone out there, if you feel like you have a special need and it isn’t being taken care of by a utility, please contact your Utility Commission. They will get you a consumer advocate and help you out. You may not get what you want, because in many cases the utility follows the rule, but they are always listened to.
This is very tragic, and if it was caused by the loss of power, very preventable.
“The last thing that we want to do is cut off a person’s service.’’
Yeah, right. A cutoff nets the company a reconnection/late fee which brings up the bottom line.
Don’t get me wrong – I agree with most of the comments: the electric company did everything they were supposed to in my opinion.
Obviously a very sad situation, but I see this as the fault of the victim’s family (assuming the victim was unable to make proper arrangements herself)
The power company gave 90 days notice of the cut off and received no response from the family, including a husband who was apparently living there.
In addition, from the Globe:
“By the time her husband, Stephen, arrived home an hour later, she was unconscious. The machine, a plug-in, had stopped working.”
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” said the machine had a backup battery but it had not been activated and he did not know whether it was working properly.”
So who is more negligent? The power company that tried several times over 90 days to warn these people that either they need to pay their bill or get cut off (or provide legitimate medical proof of need)? The husband and family didn’t hook up the battery!! Who was responsible for setting up the machine? THEY are the ones who are truly at fault for this.
My guess is that national grid will settle, despite this not being their fault.
Wow, cant believe some people are blaming the electric company!
To echo previous comments, they sent a few notices, made some calls, and even sent a person to the door! Thats the trump card, how many companies will send a live person to your door to remind you to pay the bill?
I dont see what else the electric company could have possibly done here. I say blame the husband. He must have known the bill was past due, and if its that big of a deal to keep the machine going, you bet I would have done whatever to insure it would be working.
When in doubt blame The Man, that seems to be the way things work.
Send the notices registered mail. In the letter request a confirmation call or letter that the recipient has read and understands that the power will be cut off unless the medical hold is reinstated. National Grid just assumed that the letters were in fact delivered, and that is always a mistake. And in the case of potential life or death, criminally negligent.
I say this as someone who’s mother had COPD and was on oxygen for 11 years. The fact that the DR note was expired shouldn’t matter, her condition was chronic meaning that it doesn’t go away. I think all the people jumping on the husbands back saying that he was neglectful need to back off. As someone who was a caregiver for 11 years, I can tell you I’m sure I forgot to do plenty of things somewhere between my 40hrs a week at work, going to school, and taking care of my mom. Being a caregiver is VERY stressful. I will also say that none of the oxygen concentrators we had(and we went threw quite a few) a back-up battery. And machines do have problems. There were times where either myself or my dad came home and my mom had to go to the ER b/c the concentrator stopped working and she suffered a severe lack of oxygen and she was not physically able to get to her back up oxygen on her own. Lack of oxygen severely impairs your ability to move around. Where I live if you have a documented medical condition that requires the use of electricity, the company is required to provide you a back up generator for use in case of emergencies. I wonder if they had a autopsy to determine that was the cause of death. It’s sad either way, but hate to think that she slowly suffocated to death which would be extremely painful.
I can understand missing something once, but missing it twice over the course of a month, when it’s something you’ve had to do on a regular basis for years (on top of not paying the bill) seems a bit much to me…
If something dire should befall me (God forbid), I pray that the headline doesn’t read “58 year old grandmother…”.
Yes, I am a grandmother. But that’s not who I am, if you know what I mean.
I work for an electric co, and have performed collection work similar to this. Disclaimer, I do live in a different state under different laws, but here I go anyway.
The power co. tried several times to notify this customer that the power would be terminated. Most of these notices don’t even start to arrive in the mail until the customer is a couple of months past due, and are designed to be delivered according to the laws of the state. I’m sure that National Grid has long established procedures in place that ensure the letter of the law is followed. Its not like they just showed up unannounced one day and shut off the power when the cust was 5 days behind.
The customer was not paying her bill, nor was she or her doctor communicating with the company. The customer and the doctor should have been communicating with each other and the power company to work out a payment solution. A medical condition is not an excuse to NOT pay for services provided. Usually medical documentation is utilitzed to afford a delinquent customer an OPPORTUNITY TO FIND THE NECESSARY RESOURCES (such as going to social services for assistance or borrowing money from family) to pay the required charges, not a forgiveness of the monies owed. It is merely a time delay. It is still the responsibility of the consumer of the services to pay for the services, regardless of the medical condition. There are VERY FEW people who qualify for true “Life Support” status, where their account gets permanently noted that they cannot be shut off for non-payment- in my state it is in-home kidney dialysis and iron lungs. Nebulizers and oxygen users don’t qualify.
You still need to PAY YOUR BILLS!!
Oh, and I always loved the people who were about to get shut off who would say: But I have kids!! My response? Sorry, we don’t take kids as payment. My company is not responsible for taking care of your children. Pay your bills. Turn off the cell phones, turn off the cable service, turn off the telephone. Stop eating at McDonalds. Don’t buy big screen tvs and XBox games. If you consider electricity to be a life necessity, then you need to make paying for the service a priority, instead of thinking that you should get it for free. Especially welfare recipients and people who appear to have lots of money (big expensive houses and cars)- they were the worst. Just my opinion (and experience).
Another option– buy a generator and pay for the gas to run your house. The gas co requires you to pay up front. How about if the electric companies started that (it happens in England)….???
Overall, misleading title, but im not going to blame the victim, i think its a mixture of the family and utility company’s fault. Seems like no one wants to accept responsibility, which is common for a lot of things nowadays
Anyways, there was a similar situation in my area where elderly man froze to death after his electricity was turned off.
Another note, i think electricity is just one of the resources that we are becoming more heavily dependent on much like access to clean water, not saying it should be free but its just one of this resources that is important to people, specially with heat and medical needs.
While this situation is tragic, I don’t see what else the utility company could have done. They provided numerous warnings to the family but were ignored. And the sign people keep pointing out refers to not smoking near oxygen tanks, it says NOTHING about needing electricity. The company informed the family of the impending power shut off, giving the family ample time to make restitution or some kind of agreement to prevent this from happening. What else was the utility supposed to do? Instead of emoting over the actions of the company (which were legal), why not look at the irresponsible family who neglected to inform the company of the poor woman’s continuing need. I doubt most people will do that since it’s easier to emote than to think.
Dan, it’s Ironic you had a vagrancy epipany; I had the opposite reaction after “volunteering” to serve Thanksgiving about 15-years ago. I went in with all the expected sympathies but after serving turkey to the “homeless” (who were surprisingly able-bodied and sound-minded adults), I changed my opinion. I realized that the majority of homeless are lazy, shiftless people who wasted the numerous opportunites available to them in society, became addicted to drugs and alcohol and now play on the sympathies (ie, ignorances) of most people. I continue to have sympathy for children in these situations, I donate to organizations that work to end homelessness in children. But I do NOTHING for homeless adults.
Despite the numerous strikes against me growing up (raised by a single parent, lived in an inner city neighborhood, black – I don’t see that as a strike but some do) I managed to avoid the pitfalls leading to vagrancy.
When someone has a medical notice on their file, surely that includes a doctor’s note, which surely, in turn, contains the doctor’s contact information. What are the chances that someone with a medical problem requiring constant electricity service would suddenly be cured? Probably somewhere between slim and none. I agree with the poster that said the medical note shouldn’t expire unless and until they contact SOMEONE saying that the medical problem is no longer valid.
conversely, when a customer doesn’t pay their bill, and ignores repeated attempts at contact from the business, how long does that business need to wait? Some of you people think 90 days isn’ enough. How about 180? how about a year?
What are the chances that a person with a medical condition requiring constant electricity might have been put in a nursing home? Or have already died? There’s no reason to assume that a very ill person will continue to live in this home indefinitely, and a lot of reasons to assume that such a person is no longer living there, especially when multiple notices are ignored and a knock on the door is NOT ANSWERED.
Perhaps you’d like to volunteer to personally subsidize the electricity for all future residents of this home? Hm, thought not.
As sad as the story is, I find it hard to blame the electric company and have any sympathy.
I’m willing to bet everything in my name that either her, the husband, or both clearly knew the power was going to be shut off. They could have very easily have called and tried to work something out. Instead, we have another story of someone who is “clearly entitled” to not follow the rules.
Put yourself into the shoes of the electric company. LOTS of people don’t pay their bills. Are you suddenly going to check to make sure everyone will be ok without their power? Give me a break. They did their part.
While I am all for personal responsibility here, this story should also be a wake-up call for everyone who reads this story. The message that we should all take away from this piece is that we need to protect our loved ones and be proactive. We need to be the one who make sure that our parents/grandparents/aunts and uncles/next-door neighbors are okay. Because they are our responsibility.
The only way any of us are going to get out of this mess is by helping each other. This “f**K everyone else but me” attitude is exactly why everything sucks right now.
This seems symptomatic of a larger problem today – there seems to be a sense among many people that “someone must take care of me.” Actually, the only right we really have as humans is to die if we aren’t careful, so you have to take care of yourself. This means that sometimes when people are sick and have nobody to care for them, they are going to die.
This is an extremely unfortunate situation. The power company did what they were supposed to do, and I don’t think anybody involved could have known somebody was going to die if they shut off the power – otherwise I am sure they wouldn’t have done it. It’s a shame whoever was so quick to run to the media when the lady died wasn’t diligent enough to keep an eye on her.
This was murder, plain and simple. It may not be according to law or someone’s pathetic regulation but it is still murder. Some of the remarks that I have read here today are proof that there are corporate shills still posting on this site. I have news for you…human is worth more than dollars. If you are so loathsome and low that you can’t see that well, then I’ll pray for you.
And the murderer was…*drumroll*…the woman’s caregiver. The caregiver had no backup system in place (apparently the oxygen system’s battery backup had not even been turned on!). What if a storm or a car accident had knocked out the power? The woman would still have died, since she apparently began to suffer serious problems almost immediately after the power was turned off. When your life depends on *constant* delivery of oxygen, any sensible person would have double or even triple backup systems in place. The failure to have those systems was criminal on the part of the caregiver.
First of all, she had caregivers who failed to do their jobs. She could’ve had back-ups in place, or rather her caregivers could have, and this would not have happened. The person who checks her mail could have called the power company.
Also, is it only murder because a company shut off her power, and not the people in her life taking care of her? What about them?
I find it telling of the mentality of the average Consumerist reader that the outrage on this thread is much more subdued than the outrage on the Costco thread.
Can you imagine if this woman’s husband, in a display of frustration and impatience, had cut in line to pay the power bill? There would be people calling for his head to be severed and his neck cavity to be stuffed with the membership agreement.
If the company followed proper procedure then there’s nothing wrong on their part, especially considering they sent notices out before with no response.
She’s a victim of crappy policy and some oversights, but I don’t think the power company did anything wrong.
Why does she have to renew her information every 60 days? That’s ridiculous. If she previously had a medical certification for a CHRONIC condition, why the hell should that EVER expire? If they did send a renewal notice and neither the woman nor her husband responded, I don’t know if we can really fault the power company. The policy sucks, but it seems to me like they followed it.
If it was me or a loved one, you can be sure I’d send in the renewal information and follow up with a phone call. Doesn’t it seem as though the woman and her husband were at fault for not ensuring things were in order when it was a matter of LIFE AND DEATH?
Also, what went wrong with the battery back-up? A storm, accident, or any random incident could cause the power to go out for a couple of hours. Had that happened, she still would have died. The couple did not do their part in what was necessary to ensure her safety. I can’t blame to power company for that.
Why should her certification never expire? Hmmmm….let’s see. Are you saying that you would like to personally subsidize the electricity of every future resident of this home? The company had no way of knowing whether this woman still lived in the home. She might have gone into a nursing home. She might have died. When there was NO RESPONSE to ANY of their efforts to contact the residents, INCLUDING HAVING SOMEONE KNOCK ON THE DOOR, were they supposed to just assume that the woman still lived there…indefinitely?
I never thought of that. I agree with you…and now also with the policy.
Give all the warnings, maybe this is what the husband wanted.
The number of people here in favor of not taken personal responsibility is astonishing. The electric company did more than enough on their part and yet they still get the blame. Amazing. I just hope Consumerist turns around and starts to promote self responsibility instead of blaming others, I mean blaming companies for the short coming of others lack of personal responsibility.
I suppose my question to everyone here who has the kneejerk “the company killed her” reaction— what SHOULD have the electric company have done? If someone hasn’t paid their bills, doesn’t respond to notices, etc.— then what should they do? Should they just keep providing free electricity? Imagine if they did, as someone suggested— sent the police to check in on her and she was fine— then complaints about big corporations invading one’s privacy would crop up. It’s easy to criticize but it’s hard for some of you folks to actually spell out what would have been a more reasonable response.
Though this is tragic, paying the bill on time would have prevented all of this.