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Awful Movers Move Woman To Tears

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Moving is never easy, but San Francisco resident Carleigh thought her transplant from a one-bedroom apartment to a one-bedroom condo wouldn't be so tough. Ron, a customer service rep from Starving Students movers, talked a good game, convincing Carleigh the company could pull off the move in the three-hour time window the HOA demanded.

As you could imagine, since we're talking about the move on Consumerist, things didn't quite go as planned. When all was said and done, Carleigh was overcharged, left out to dry and forced to lug her stuff along with her boyfriend while sobbing.

Here's the e-mail she wrote Ron:

Hi Ron,

I am going to follow up this email with a phone call later this afternoon. We are in the middle of moving, but I must tell you I am quite flabbergasted. As soon as our account was turned over to the local movers, everything went wrong. Laura, the office person, did not get the contract in until the last minute. The scheduling was a fiasco—I indicated from the beginning about the move-in time window (12:30 to 3:30) and at no time prior to the movers showing up at 8:45 a.m. this morning were we given an estimated time or arrival, and we had called repeatedly over this week. We made them leave, and they did, and then came back at 10:45. It is now 12:10 p.m. and no furniture has even been moved yet. They have one guy downstairs, one guy up here moving one box at a time, and then when I asked him if he wanted to continue to take smaller stuff from the bedroom, he told me, "what bedroom? You want us to move the bedroom as well?" We indicated from the very beginning that this is a 1-bedroom apartment to a 1-bedroom apartment move—we are moving! Of course we want the bedroom moved, too. He huffed and thought about it for a while, and is now moving slowly in the bedroom as well. As you can imagine, the clock is counting down and I am quite frustrated. I told him I didn't care if he wrapped the furniture, my new and most important concern at this point in the day is time. I am not sure what to do, but I am having a terrible experience. Please advise.

After that, Carleigh was in tears. A follow-up talk with another customer service manager, Eddie, did nothing to rectify the situation. She e-mailed her boy Ron again:

Hi Ron,

It is the day after and I simply want to follow up with you, detailing the order of events.

After I emailed you, I received a call from Eddie right away. He asked how it was going, and I told him I was quite distressed, and did not understand why the movers were going so slowly. He told me that the movers should have started at 8:45 upon their first arrival. I told him that regardless, Laura told me they would come back at 9:45, they didn't show up until 10:30. He asked me what was still left, and I told him that all of the big things were still left—not a chair had been removed yet. He began to scold me for refusing the truck first thing that morning and he told me that he wished he had been in the office to not allow that—I told him that I wished he had, too. He was scolding me more, and I became quite emotional, and told him that I was understandably very distressed, and that he should have some sympathy and try to help. He calmed down, and told me that it was only 12:30 now, and that he was sure the move could still finish by 3:30, at the end of the window. Getting ready to leave the apartment, I gave him directions and reminded him of the move-in window. He did not know that we needed to be finished by 3:30. I was speechless.

At two o'clock we were finally on the road. (We spent the last hour and a half gathering things to take to our own car—lightening the load of the moving men, inappropriately but in the interest of possibly saving time—which we did not, as a big bag of dog food was spilled all over the lobby of the apartment building. My partner is visually impaired/totally blind and the mover and he collided because of this doubling up of work force.)

On the way to the new apartment, as I said it was 2 o'clock. I was driving and Scott (my partner) called Eddie to tell him that we were really running out of time—the walk through inspection still needed to be completed (part of the signed HOA policies) prior to the beginning of the move-in and that we were looking for solutions at this point. We asked him if a third person could be sent out to help in order to make the 3:30 deadline. Eddie was apparently very rude to Scott and cited the fact that we "refused the truck" repeatedly. He also said that he just learned that there was a "surprise additional bedroom" and blamed us for the extended amount of time. He refused to send a third person, and Scott told him we would be dealing with the corporate office only after the completion of this move.

I want to clarify that there was no surprise additional bedroom. There was one bedroom. The movers assumed we did not want to bring the contents of it (a bed, a dresser, a cabinet, a nightstand, a coffee table, a love seat, and a television). I simply cannot comprehend this fallacious assumption.

I would like to note that I have moved many times, and used different companies, my own hands and friends, and day laborers. I have never seen a 1-bedroom apartment to 1-bedroom apartment move take this long. As a professional moving company manager, even Eddie would have been appalled to see the rate at which the man moved our belongings. I am not exaggerating when I say that the man upstairs (as I mentioned, one man stayed upstairs loading the elevator while one stayed downstairs loading the truck) took boxes one at a time. I witnessed him pick up a box, look around, put it down, and pick up a different box multiple times. He rarely moved more than one box at a time. He was, plain and simply, moving too slow. He was utterly shocked by the revelation that was indeed wanted the bedroom furniture and televisions moved in addition to the boxes we had compiled in the living room (per your suggestion during our initial phone contact, we prepared everything as much as possible prior to moving day and consolidated all boxes and small furniture into one corner). He also had apparently not been told by his managers of the absolute deadline for completion of this move—3:30. In summation, the moving expereince was terrible. It was stressful and humiliating and disorganized. Prior to moving day we spoke with Laura in the office 3 times and never was an estimated time of arrival given. We did consider 8:45 a.m. too early a start time—I think that our estimation of what the move should have been like was in fact reasonable.

I do not know if there is any possible recourse. At the end of the day—the movers finished at 4:30 and I do not know yet if fees will be levied against us by the Homeowner's Association—the job was done. We paid $698 and change. I booked with Starving Students because of how amazingly spectacular my service with you was, Ron, and also because $84.99 per hour seemed reasonable. I now think that paying $150 and hour would have been better because perhaps that moving company would not have taken between 6 and 7 hours. Also, I find it unacceptable that the terms of the move, a 1-bedroom apartment into a 1-bedroom apartment, would be so inexplicably misinterpreted to warrant the events that occured: an early truck, a too-slow and lazy move, a fastly approaching deadline, a "surprise additional bedroom", an uncooperative manager. and finally much more money than I intended to spend with your company. I am disheartened.

Sincerely,

Carleigh

All that happened two weeks ago, and Starving Students has stopped responding to her. Now she's asking for advice:

At this point, it is 13 days later and there has been no response from Starving Students whatsoever. Their company has terrible reviews. Should I report to BBB? Can I do a chargeback for their failure to comply with our contract though the service was rendered? Should I threaten small claims for the fee levies against me by the HOA? Any advise appreciated.

I did not hear back after my summation email wherein I specifically asked for advice for any type of recourse.I wrote again to my csr contact Ron last night, asking for contact information for his higher ups and did get the phone number to the northern California district manager, whom I will be calling today.

It is a franchise with headquarters in Los Angeles and satellites in major cities.

They were contracted to complete the move-in portion of the entire move within a certain time frame, which they did not do. My problem began when I literally watched in horror as the mover would pick up one small box, look around, seemingly change his mind, put that box down and pick up another. He was slow, lazy, and incompetent. I tried to rectify the situation with the very strict time constrains in real time and the local branch manager was rude and not helpful. Also, taking 7 hours to complete a 1-bedroom to 1-bedroom move is unheard of, as I have moved many, many times within San Francisco (a 49 square mile city) and only went with this company because they promised they could meet the requirements of my HOA.

The fail was ultimately epitomized at 2:30 p.m. when one hysterically crying woman (myself) and her disabled, totally blind boyfriend were carrying armloads of things the movers weren't getting to fast enough and the 50 lb bag of dog food spilled all over the lobby of the apartment building. A sad scene indeed.

It never hurts to go through the BBB, but some companies are impervious to complaints. I say she hits Starving Students where it hurts and disputes the credit card charge. What would you do if you were in Carleigh's situation?

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I am leery of any business with "Students" or "student" in the title. In the town I used to live there was some group of student painters that would be around every summer trying to paint your house.

A few people I know hired them and the results were horrendous. These same folks also had a terrible time getting their money back from the company or a redo of the work.

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A names like "starving students" pisses me off from the beginning. They're a franchise, its not like you're helping out local students by hiring them.

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I moved from my parent's house to a 3 bedroom house. Along the way we also had to load up my fiancee's 1 bedroom apartment. Movers at my house first, got my stuff, drove to fiancee's apartment, got her stuff, taken to new house and unloaded. Even put bed together and stuff like that. Total time: 6-7 hours, 1 truck and 3 guys.

That is ridiculous for it to take that long for an apartment. Guess you do get what you pay for.

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Chrageback! If possible, do a chargeback for the difference between the quoted amount and the actual amount. They did not comply with the contract you signed, you got the service, but not to the terms which you agreed. That's like ordering 3 items and receiving 2. Or ordering 12 and receiving 12...but all broken. Good luck, Carleigh!

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I am not attempting to threadjack. That being said, why does the HOA have a 3 hour move in window. Some people have alot of stuff and not alot of help. I know how horrible my condo association is and they do not have this rule. I fear for Carleigh.


Relevant information: Chargeback, BBB, and Ripoff Report. If the chargeback fails, small claims court. I hope it doesn't come to that for you though.

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@Scatter: Does their name imply that they hire "starving students" to do the work, or that they offer prices that even "starving students" could afford? I've never found that out.

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Once I hit the line where it says they are paid by the hour, not the job, I understood the entire problem: slow moving jackasses & an early arrival. That arrangement rewards failure. Not being in control of multiple aspects of situations like this sucks, incuding a HOA that limits your options time wise & various other people who place their schedules before yours.


Do a chargeback & hope that opens up negotiations to a fairer outcome. GOOD LUCK!

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I don't want to blame the OP, BUT had the movers started moving at 8:45 like they wanted to, they would have been done by 3:30 even without her or her boy friend helping. The fact that Starving Movers was totally oblivious to her needs is unforgivable though.

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I don't think I understand -- why did she refuse the truck in the morning? I know jumping all over the original complainer is kind of traditional yet annoying here, but this seems kind of like her fault. She sent the movers away for 2 hours and surprise, they were two hours late getting to her destination. I mean, sure, yes, she should have been given an arrival time so she could have been prepared for them, but if they showed up at 8:45, it sure wasn't because they thought "Hey, we like to get up super early in the morning."

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I agree that the time this move took was totally unacceptable. My husband and I went from a 2-bedroom to a 3-bedroom in almost half that time for not much more than the $84.99/hr this couple was charged. I remember our grand total being something like $400 and change and it took about 3-4 hours. And this was in New York City, which I imagine is comparable to SF in costs.

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I don't know....there seems to be more to this story then the OP is letting on. I'm not trying to blame the OP but it seems like she is trying to make herself seem completely and calm and reasonable and the customer service guy unreasonable.

Has the Consumerist.com contacted the company in question for their view or did they just post an email from a random person again?

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"HOA" - there's your problem. i will NEVER live in a place where i'm paying a mortgage and yet other people have total control over what i do with my home.

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I used a similar type of service when I moved 6 months ago. It was awful, took forever, one of the movers stepped in dog shit and walked it all through my house, the did not put the correct boxes in the correct rooms, and it took 9 hours for them to finish. I will never skimp on movers again, I would rather pay professionals then deal with idiots.

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If you have made many attempts to get some remuneration from the company, i believe you should dispute the charge with your credit card issuer. Since you seem to have a lot of experience moving, i believe you have the knowledge necessary to figure out the ideas below.

My best advice is to compute what you believe the total time should have been. Start at the time you asked them to begin, not the time they chose to begin, and figure out how long it should have taken them.

Alternatively, you could surmise what their perceived effort amounted to--whether it was 50% or 80% or whatever. One guy working while the other one yaks away on a cell phone is only 50% effort, at best.

So, multiply 84.99 by the total number of hours they should have been there. Or, multiply your current bill by the effort they made. Dispute the remainder.

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She probably refused the truck at 8:45 because she had no idea they were coming and she wasn't dressed/showered or otherwise ready yet.

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Definitely attempt a chargeback. If that doesn't work, take them to small claims court.

I had a bad experience with the same painting franchise with "students" in the title. The guy who showed up to paint was no student and did a terrible job painting my bathroom. Friends who hired the same company to paint their house that summer were extremely unhappy as well.

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California strictly regulates moving companies, perhaps better than other states. She needs to contact the state government. A complaint to the proper regulatory agency will probably get her situation fixed up.

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Heh I remember some friends that used one of those student moving services. They were moving into their brand new house (just built). Everything went fine until the very last item, a big sofa. One guy dropped his end of the couch slightly, which caused both of them to swerve to the left, and it punched about a 12 inch hole in the wall of their foyer.

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Oh and for all those people talking about doing charge backs you cannot do that. You are paying for their services and although they did a crappy job you are not entitled to withhold payment from them. They did not damage anything, they just sucked.
Trust me, with my move I mentioned above I refused to sign the credit card slip for them and we called the cops because I refused to pay. The cop said unfortunately you have to pay them and cannot withhold payment.

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@TheWraithL98:

Agreed. If I own my house and land, I own it. I'll do what I want.

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@computerwiz3491: Still, they said they called many times before the move to get an ETA and were never given a callback. If they had just been told when the movers would show up and how much time they would need, it wouldn't have been a problem. If I was paying someone by the hour, and hadn't been told that they somehow needed an inordinate amount of time to move stuff from a one bedroom, I'd likely have asked them to come back in an hour too.

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@TheWraithL98: Yeah, agreed. I always thought the point of buying your own place was so that you could have more autonomy over your living space.

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I used a similar moving company (don't remember if it was Starving Students, I think it was) here in Houston for my 1-bedroom small apt...

First they never told me about a Fuel Surcharge when they quoted the move for me, the driver drove the truck a total of 8-miles doing 35mph. or less (ate up a lot of time) and there were no "Students" with him, they were Spanish and I'm willing to bet since they didn't speak any English during the move that they were illegal Aliens...

There was only suppose to be 2-guys and they sent a driver and two helpers which I had to pay for the extra guy and the stupid driver lost my check on his way back to the company headquarters... He said it flew out the open window on the way back...

The manager had been calling me for about 3-hours to let me know about the check but I had my phone off while I was out getting other things I needed for the new place... He showed up at my door after about 4-hours to get a new check which after him telling me that their "New" driver had a shady background I was really reluctant to give him another so quickly and I complained about the fuel surcharge & the fact they sent an extra guy (I did cancel the first check that Monday)...

Anyways other than all this they did do a quick and good job of loading the truck and unloading but the price was twice as much as I'd have liked to pay...

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They showed up at 8:45, she sent them away, and then she complains that they finished an hour late? It sounds like if she hadn't sent them away, they would have finished by 3:30.

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@dragonfire81: "College Painters," maybe? I know they were pretty flaky for a neighbor.

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@wvFrugan: Wow, good catch. I saw the hourly thing, but as I've never hired movers, this didn't seem out of place. Now that you point it out, it makes total sense. They want to be paid more, so they moved as slowly as possible.


Or they're just stupid and incompetent... also possible. Heh.

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@Jacquilynne: She sent the movers away for one hour. They said they would be back at 9:45. And since she hadn't been told when they would arrive or that they would need an extended amount of time for the move, the OP was doing what she thought made the most sense. If the movers had been given all of the information about the move-in time, then they could have told her that they needed that much time. But the moving company didn't communicate with the movers for the OP, leading to this situation. Also, she was paying them by the hour, so of course she's going to be wary when they seem to show up way to early.

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@computerwiz3491: Maybe I misunderstood, but the OP said that when she made the reservation, she indicated the time window of 12:30 to 3:30. To me, that would mean that I would expect the movers to show up closer to noon.

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I just wanted to comment because it's the first time I've seen my name spelled even slightly similar...

except I'm Caerleigh.

Anyway, maybe it's because it's SF, but I'm shocked at how expensive this was! I found a good bonded & insured moving service - on Craigslist, no less - and they charge $20 / hour per guy. Minimum 3 hours, 2 guys. At the minimum that's $120...AND they unassembled my flatpack furniture for me! Suppose I was lucky, because there's really no in-between for movers, and most are terrible.

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@Jacquilynne: She actually only sent them away for an hour; they just didn't come back when they said they would.

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@TheWraithL98: Good luck. You've slashed most neighborhoods off your list, and forget anything built within the last decade.

Don't forget you don't own your house or your land. Mortgage or not, you lease it from the state. Owe $5 in taxes and they'll sell your house from under you. No one owns land in this country.

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They're in San Francisco - California should cover moving companies under the Public Utilities Commission's Consumer Protection and Safety Division, Transportation Enforcement Section.

I have no idea where this little nugget came from, but it's stored from some other nightmare story - and they can be contacted. You have a lot of things you're supposed to get. I wonder if you got these things from your movers:

5. Failing to provide the "Important Information for Persons Moving Household Goods" booklet

6. Failing to issue the "Important Notice About Your Move" document

Because those are finable offenses in California. I dunno, but this article doesn't sound like "hey, here are your important moving materials!" were included.

[docs.cpuc.ca.gov]

here's the complaint form

[www.cpuc.ca.gov]

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@tedyc03: Go through the attorney general's office. Here's the complaint site: [ag.ca.gov]

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Like tedyc03 said, contact your public utilities commission. My mom had to do this (she lives in SF, too) after an even worse moving experience than this one. The PUC was ALL over it. They take it really seriously.

I also don't think a 3-hour timeframe is unreasonable, and if it were, then the company should have said so. I had three movers move my four-bedroom house in about two hours once. At least the movers could have TRIED to be fast, and when you say "show up at this time," it doesn't mean "show up anytime you like!" I don't see how anyone can blame the OP here.

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@katstermonster: CHargeback and then some. Flagging their company with fraud through your CC company would go far in giving them notice that someone has taken an interest in their little riot act.

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@Jacquilynne: She refused the truck because the company is paid by the hour and would not be able to beging moving items into the new condo until 12:30. The last one bedroom move that I had took the movers less than an hour to load the truck at the old apartment. OP did not want the movers to have the truck loaded by 10:45 and then spend two hours sitting around.

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@pax: That's the time window to unload at the new place. Barring disruptions in the time-space continuum, they need to start loading at the old place a few hours beforehand.

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@computerwiz3491: Of COURSE the movers showed up early...they were moving by the hour. I highly doubt this would have helped the situation, given the slow-moving behavior the OP describes. I would agree if they were paying for the job, but this was an hourly arrangement.


I recently completed a one bedroom to one bedroom move, and it took a total of 4 hours. I didn't have a truck, so we had to fit my belongings into an assortment of family and friends' vehicles. I probably could have done it in half the time with a truck and movers.


And as Anathema777 said, they called a number of times to get an ETA and were not given one.

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@CRNewsom: Probably somewhere along the line, someone who once lived there (or still lives there) was upset about the tranquillity of the neighbourhood being disrupted by a move that took all day, or two days, or some such, and did the necessary politicking to get it loaded into the HOA's rules.

Personally, I will add this story to my list of reasons why an HOA is an instant, automatic, irrevocable deal-killer when shopping for a home.

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@pax: That was the window in which to move into the new place. 10:00-10:30 seems reasonable to arrive at the old place, get everything in the truck, and drive to the new place by 12:30. Then there's the pre-move in inspection which the OP mentioned, which will take a little time. So figure 1:00-3:30 to actually do the move in, which is plenty of time for a small place.

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@katstermonster: Whoops, I mean they were *being paid* by the hour.

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Welcome to the world of dealing with movers. They know every trick in the books for maximizing the cost to you, especially when you're paying them by the hour.

You need to get a fixed cost, and then watch for the typical BS (charging for boxes if you're having them pack, claiming they can't fit the van down your street and therefore have to transfer your stuff onto a smaller rental, etc).

The OP's best bet is to remember everything that happened for next time. Many people go through the same thing.

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@apd09: cops aren't lawyers. they're kind of notorious for getting the law wrong, actually. just sucking is one thing, but it sounds like they breached their contract with carleigh. she'll probably end up in small claims, but charging back isn't the worst idea.

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@Stephmo: Oh, here's the official licensing information from the state of California - they're HQ'd in LA per the state:

[delaps1.cpuc.ca.gov]

So you could always try to call the LA offices to tell them how the SF offices are treating customers...

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Yelp's page on them is chock-full of negatives and cookouts, it rather looks like a stereotypical mob after Dr. Frankenstein and his monster.

A few lame attempts at astroturfing, including one that tries to defend the movers, which is suspicious considering the icon of the poster looks like he's a drunk student.

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@CRNewsom: I don't think I could live somwhere that had those kind of rules... it would drive me crazy. Still @dave_coder: She might be a little one sided, but unless the movers were actually packing the boxes 7 hours is beyond ridiculous for this move. Professional Movers should have brought a dolly and been moving 4 - 5 boxes at once, not one at a time.

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@henrygates: Actually, that depends where you live. Outside of Florida or the west coast, HOAs are actually quite UNcommon, even in newer neighborhoods.

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@wvFrugan: Every mover I've ever hired charges hourly for small moves (within the local area, studio apartments, single-day moves, etc). That said, the good ones also give a very specific quote, have a signed contract to get X done in Y time, and generally a binding agreement not to exceed the initial quote by more than a certain amount or percentage.

My last move got a 1-bedroom apartment from uptown Manhattan (Washington Heights) to the DC burbs (Arlington, VA) in about 7 hours paid total time.