Neighbor Gives Away Couple's Possessions On Craigslist Without Their Permission
It's every Freecycle moderator's nightmare. A family in the Dallas/Fort Worth suburb of Mansfield woke up to discover men with a truck packing up their portable basketball hoop...which they weren't giving away. It had been listed on the "free" section of Craigslist by their neighbor...a police officer in a nearby town.
Sherry Johnson Huwitt was standing at her kitchen window in her bathrobe shortly before dawn a couple of weeks ago when two strangers pulled up and started loading the portable basketball goal from the side of her house into a truck.
When the Mansfield woman ran outside to confront them, they said they weren't stealing because the item was offered for the taking on Craigslist.
"What the hell is Craigslist?" she asked.
Huwitt had never heard of the advertising Web site and hadn't posted any such ad. Someone else did: Free basket ball goal and tether ball pole.
At dead end of roadway beside my home...(address) dont knock its placed out there for you to come get. will delete when gone. thanks.
The incident boiled down to a dispute between neighbors, and in the end there's no crime that the neighbor/cop/Craigslist poster can be charged with. police aren't quite sure what to charge the officer with. Fraud? Forgery?
I'll never look at "curb alerts" in quite the same way, though.
Mansfield woman says Arlington officer offered her possessions on Craigslist without her consent [Dallas Morning News]
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(Thanks to commenter David Mays for correcting the error in my summary.)
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@solareclipse2: Well, its technically not stealing since he just posted an ad stating there were free items at that location.
Illegal, no. Immoral, yes.
This has happened before on a larger scale. To get back at someone, a Craigslist post was put up saying their house was abandoned and whatever possessions were there were free to whomever wanted them.
This poor guy got completely cleaned out.
What's even worse is even after he explained to them the craigslist posting was fake, they got still got pissed at him for trying to take back their "free stuff"
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@solareclipse2: Simple..
It had been listed on the "free" section of Craigslist by their neighbor...a police officer in a neighboring town.
I suppose no one in Mansfield has ever heard of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act? Seems like a pretty cut and dried case of fraud and abuse commited using a computer.
The cop is probably going to lose his job, or at least get suspended. That's ridiculous. How can a dispute over a tetherball pole and basketball pole lead to this?
I like that the article explains how it may be a civil issue rather than a criminal one. But still, you would think something could happen to this guy. Although losing his job would probably be worse than a fine.
@solareclipse2: On the upside, if Huwitt decides to put the cop's property up on craigslist, there's nothing she can be charged with either.
@SkokieGuy: Conspiracy would require that the cop actually collaborated with the people who took it. Incitement would be suitable if it exists under US law.
The incident boiled down to a dispute between neighbors, and in the end there's no crime that the neighbor/cop/Craigslist poster can be charged with.
-1 Misleading Summary.
Here's what the article *really* said:
Meanwhile, Mansfield police and the Tarrant County district attorney's office are trying to determine whether a crime has been committed.
"The reporting officer originally wrote the offense for forgery," said Sgt. Stan Davis of the Mansfield Police Department. "We don't really know what the offense is yet. There are several different offenses that might fit. That's why the district attorney is reviewing it, to find out if there is a criminal offense and, if so, to find out which offense fits the best."
@solareclipse2: Yeah...shouldn't it at least be fraud or something? Entrapment, maybe, if there's a potential for the people taking the hoop to have been arrested?
Or is it just legal to take stuff from people's front yards/driveways?
So have the people stealing the basketball net charged with theft and also file a small claims suit against them. Summons the officer to court to testify.
Explain to the officer that he might be able to make the charges disappear, but the small claims case can't be made to disappear by him and that you'll be airing all the dirty laundry to the judge.
I'm betting he'll back off once he realizes he'll have an entirely new set of enemies (the would-be thieves) to deal with. He'll also have to explain why he needs time to go to a summons for an offense that he's not involved in.
Sometimes a bit of collateral damage is in order to solve certain problems. And no, I'm not a lovely neighbour. Now, OFF MY LAWN!
Eh. I was all ready to support her but then I read the article and ran across this:
"He put my life in danger, and my daughters," she said. "I just ran out there. Those guys could have killed me.
That ridiculous bit of hyperbole makes me think she probably deserved it. Seriously, WTF?
She's obviously a bit daft. Look at her quotes in the article. I wouldn't be surprised if she wears a tinfoil hat.
Shhh. You're ruining it. If you continue on like this, the mob will stop its *rabblerabblerabble*'ing.
@Sockatume
I've known good cops and I've known bad cops. My parents live across the street from a retired Delaware State Trooper and he's always been pretty cool. I live in Madison County, AL now and the county sheriffs deputies don't really bother you no matter how fast you're driving as long as you're keeping up with the speed of traffic. The Huntsville city cops are the same way. They don't bother with speeders most of the time because its considered a waste of police resources.
I get why this woman is upset, but leaping from "this guy is a jerk" to "he was endangering my life, he was endangering other people's lives because I could have come out with a shotgun" to "he's a racist, he did this because I was black" is ridiculous if only because it won't help her case at all. I'm not saying what the guy did was right, but the justice system isn't perfect and you have to help yourself get the best advantage, especially if it seems as if you aren't going to win this battle.
@Ben Miner: The guys who went to pick up the stuff from her house could potentially file a complaint for fraud, but since the agreement (such as it was, with a CL ad) was between the neighbor and the guys, and not her, she has no standing.
Her best bet would be going for identity theft (since that's what it really was), but I have no idea what the status of that sort of legislation is in Texas (they're a little behind the country on a lot of legal issues...).
@henwy: Really? You think a person deserves for a cop to do things to her that are totally wrong, but that he will never get in trouble for? Really? ... Really??
@pecan 3.14159265: She did say some pretty hyperbolic things.
Still, it's "a community of 'good-ole' friendly neighbors." That...appeal to southern heritage suggests a little friendly neighborhood racism is not out of the question.
People get irrationally angry when they think they're getting free stuff and find out otherwise. Add the fact that she had to sit there seething and watch people backing their trucks up all day (can't just take the hoop inside) and violence, although unlikely, also wasn't out of the question.
@so_gracefully: Henwy is saying that she's probably a bitch and the "crazy neighbor" we all fear may someday be our neighbor. The act is wrong, but he doesn't feel bad because he believes that there is a possibility that the cop neighbor was driven to this act due to this lady's lack of perspective and lack of anchor in reality.
@theodicey: Yay, it's time to blame everyone in the South for racism again! Because it's never lupus but always racism.
@henwy: She's overreacting, yeah, but having your property stolen seems like a pretty harsh punishment for being dramatic.
You know who else probably advocated overly draconian punishment for the crime of hyperbole?
Hitler. That's who.
If this is not illegal then we need to do something and change the law to make it illegal. Yes she's exaggerating but still that was downright malicious and done on purpose. There are a lot of jerks out there and if this is not illegal I have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot more of this. Besides this is putting innocent people in real danger. Some people meet strangers with a shotgun...
@lalaland13: In most other jobs, this might be an offense that gets a fine or maybe just a slap on the wrist. But police officers must be held to a higher standard. This is not the kind of PERSONALITY for a police officer.
So post a statewide ad about a big protest against police abuses at (name the Mansfield police department headquarters address). NOW see how much they like it.
@solareclipse2: This isn't the first time this has happened, either. I remember hearing a story where people made off with stuff from the porch of a guy's house be cause of this.
They didn't know who did it in that case, but anyone who took stuff could be charged with theft.





















How in the world is there nothing he can be charged with?