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10 Confessions Of A Cash4Gold Employee

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UPDATE 3: We did a feature investigative article on Cash4Gold, entitled, "The Article Cash4Gold Doesn't Want You To Read."

UPDATE 2: Cash4Gold (Green Bullion Financial Services, LLC) sent us a copy of a judgement they obtained on default, granting a "temporary injunction" against the ex-employee to prevent them from "publishing any more confidential, proprietary information, and any defamatory information on the internet."

We continue to look into the ex-employee's statements and will keep you apprised. (7/02/09)

UPDATE 1: Cash4Gold has filed a defamation suit (right-click here and save to your harddrive to view the PDF) against the ex-employee who posted the below allegations against the company on ComplaintsBoard. The company asserts that the employee's statements were entirely false, and claims that she said she was going to "make Cash4Gold be sorry for firing her." They have also asked us to remove this story. We'll be looking into this and will keep you posted on further developments. (4/3/09)


From the acid-cloud haze of the Cash4Gold processing center steps forth a shadowy figure, fingers stained with orange testing fluid. It's an ex-Cash4Gold employee and in-between tuberculosic wheezes he manages to pass you a yellow legal paid with 10 confessions about how his former employer taught him to rip people off. Then he evaporates leaving behind a pile of gold dust. You dip your finger in it and touch it to your tongue. Just as you thought: fool's gold.

If you decide to investigate the creaky clock tower, turn to page 4.
If you decide to read the confessions, to the post inside.

Spotted on ComplaintsBoard: "I would like an article to be posted pertaining to the refinery Cash 4 Gold, located in Pompano Beach, Fl. I am a former employee, who would like to alert/warn the public on the scamming process involved with this company. There are many of us who would like to vouch on behalf of this fast growing scam. We would like to get the word out to everyone on this step by step scam which involves so many people in this country and their valuables.

Below I have attached the full details on the scam involving this company. We know this first hand, because this is how we were trained. Please take note of this information and do what you can to get the word out there, especially in a time when the economy has truly affected everyone for the worst. Thank you!

I am a former employee of Cash 4 Gold. I did not know much about the company before being hired. On my first day of being hired, I was taught the "Cash 4 Gold Scam" from beginning to end.

1. The "refiner's pack" that is used for you to put your jewelry is "insured for UP TO 100 dollars, " according to how much they determine from a description from you, the worth of your items to be, NOT an actual fully researched appraisal.

2. We receive your "Refiner's Pack" within 3-4 days, BUT we are instructed to tell you that it takes "7-10 business days, for us to receive your pack, ALTHOUGH many times, your package has already arrived.
(All cash4gold customers who have called customer service to track a package can vouch for this)

3. Your jewelry gets appraised by hand, a magnifying glass, a plastic container, a small weight pad, and a bottle of ORANGISH fluid, which your items are then determined a value for. Not million dollar equipment or specially trained jewelry experts. The company was temporarily closed recently due to health and code violations. I have witness testers being transported to Medical Centers, due to the testing department environment. There is literally a cloud of smoke in the air from acid and other testing material. If you were thinking it was some state-of-the-art testing facility, you thought WRONG.

4. Although the payment (check) for your item is dated within 24 hrs of testing your jewelry, we SOMETIMES DO NOT actually send out the check until up to 3-4 days later. (if you are a customer check the date the check was issued against the stamped date on the envelope.)

5. We do offer a 100% Satisfaction Guarantee or your jewelry returned, BUT THE CATCH IS, that the guarantee is to contact us within 10 DAYS from when your check is DATED. (This begins with the time it took for the accounts payables dept. to ISSUE the check and also including the TRANSIT TIME for you to receive your check in the mail. **** NOTATE THE COMMERCIALS THAT INSINUATE THAT YOU GET YOUR CASH IN 24 HRS.*** If you request (sign) for FAST CASH (direct deposit) you automatically WAIVE your rights to have your items returned, EVEN if you are not satisfied with amount of your deposit.

6. You generally receive your check around the "7th-10th" business day, AND majority of the time Customers are outraged when they lay eyes on the amount of their check. Some Customer's even receive a check for 0.01 cents.

7. There have been times when we have received your package and MISPLACED or LOST it at the facility. We CLAIM to not have received the items and even try to convince you that it was lost in the hands of USPS. At which point we begin an insurance claim process on your package. We ask you to send us an itemized list of the content of the package, trying to be as descriptive as you possible can (if you can remember everything in full detail) and a copy of your state issud ID. We then issue an INSURANCE CLAIM for UP TO 100 dollars. GOD FORBID your items are worth more then a 100 dollars. If you call customer service to check on the status of your shipment, and we actually have not received your package, we inform you of the insurance claim process. For those who know that their items are worth more than a hundred dollars, they become very upset and threaten to take action against the company, at that point we inform the customer that if they knew their items were worth more they should have added additional insurance at the Post Office. BUT unless you are paying to ship your items in a completely different package other then the refiner's kit, you are unable to add insurance to the package.

8. For those who do get in touch with us within the allotted time frame, we already know what you are calling about. Customers want their items returned, because there check amount is so insultingly LOW. The first thing a Rep will ask you is "HOW MUCH WERE YOU EXPECTING TO GET BACK?" This way we can know how much to "BONUS" you.

*Definition of a BONUS: We issue low checks just to have you call us back if you are smart enough to realize that you just got scammed. For the smart one's we are paid to offer u a bonus up to 3x the original amount of your check and you accept. For ex: Sally Smith receives a check for $27.86 for a Rolex watch(which we don't issue value for), a class ring, a ring with diamond chips, a pair of earrings with emeralds, as well as a few sterling silver pieces, and maybe a few items that were really of no value. Now Sally Smith calls the cust srvc dept, where she speaks to a rep who seems so concerned and will see if she can do better with the amount by speaking to a "SUPERVISOR". We then place the caller on Mute, and speak to our neighbors or doodle on a sheet, or twiddle with our hair for about 45 seconds, while we are supposedly speaking to our supervisor about Ms. Smith's complaint. We then come back with an offer to "BUMP UP YOUR MELT DATE or any other lies the cust srvc reps can think of, and offer you a total amount of $53.20 which is a little under double the amount of your original check; in which case if you accept, the cust srvc rep makes a 15.00 bonus off of your transaction. If the customer service rep offers you under triple the amount of your orig check, he/she makes 10.oo in bonuses.

9. If you accept the offer, the deal is done, and you are told that the call is recorded (which most of the time, the record button does not work, or the box if full.)It's just a way to make your feel binded by a verbal contract. IF you do not accept the deal, you have to return your check, and it takes sometimes up to a month to receive your items back after we receive the check.

10. If you only want the items that we do not find of any value back, you have to pay 10.00 shipping and handling fee to have your own items returned, which varies. Although it is listed under the terms and conditions, this charge varies from a 10.00-15.00 charge to NO charge, reason being, UNSURE.

Cash 4 Gold is definitely not a trustworthy or credible company to do business with. You are almost better off taking your items to a local pawn shop or shopping around for other companies. With the economy the way it is, Cash 4 Gold seems to be a way out of financial stress for some, but in actuality becomes a stress of its own. I would advise you to think twice before sending in valuables or items inherited and of sentimental value, its not worth it."

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How To Avoid Getting Ripped Off By Cash4Gold

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Why would people use this? Really, it'a a genuine question - seems selling stuff on ebay or a pawn shop would be just as easy and get more cash

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Wow, 0.01 cents is really low. :P

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You mean my gold toilet (as seen on the Super Bowl) has to be additionally insured at the post office if I think it is worth over 100 dollars? SHould I clean out the trap of the toilet before sending?
Ed McMahon

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But The Hammer says it's awesome! Why would he lie to me? : /

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$0.01/FOR GOLD!


Thanks for the tip :) For those who didn't already know what a sham (wow!) this was, this is the deal breaker.

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On one hand, the whole idea of this service is incredibly offensive, and it sounds as though its being done in as shady a mannner as possible.

On the other hand, anyone stupid enough to get involved with them gets what they deserve.

I'm deeply conflicted.

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The business involves quick cash for gold, has Ed McMahon and MC Hammer in the commercials, and is located in South Florida. How can it *not* be on the up and up?

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I wonder how much they are going to offer you to remove this post.

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@Kimaroo:
Please, Hammer.... don't hurt him!


(Sorry, I know, bad Mame...)

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@rpm773: Geography definitely plays into it--funny you should mention that. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go order some DSLR cameras and home theatre electronics from Brooklyn.

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Question,


I remember reading about a guy who would send credit card companies old tires and things of that nature back with the buisness reply envelope included in the credit card offer.


What if everyone were to request the "refiners" pack and the just send in a bunch of junk, (like old tires and bricks) wouldn't cash4gold have to then pay the shipping costs? A little payback from the consumer..

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Especially if you live in a state (like MI) where the amount a pawn shop or dealer pays you for precious metals is regulated, you're *definitely* better off pawning the stuff.

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I don't get why anyone would use this either. It just screams "scam." Take your gold to a legitimate appraiser. How hard is that? I don't understand. Seems easier that shipping things back and forth.

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Another thing: Running a commercial in the Superbowl isn't exactly like running one on late-night TV and/or running one on some backwater cable channel. I wonder if these guys are going to attract a little extra scrutiny by the authorities now, perhaps enough to shut them down if they're doing anything illegal. That would be kind of ironic.

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In their effort to suppress the issue they ended blowing it up 10X.

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I have a hard time considering this to be a scam. You send them items, they offer to buy them for a certain price. You accept or decline. There isn't any law saying someone has to offer you full market price for what you're selling. It's basically a garage sale by mail.


The real story here is the working conditions and issues OSHA might have questions about.

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@masonreloaded:Simple human nature. You can't really fix it. You can only hope that God and/or Darwinian Selection weeds out the really dumb ones. Sadly, both appear to be on vacation.

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honestly I've always looked at those commercials and thought, "SCAM!!" None of this shocks me at all...I only wish more people who watch those commercials had the savvy and common sense to realize.

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@TurboWagon00: The problem is, they are preying on people who are very desperate, ignorant, or otherwise impaired.

Yeah, if my coworkers or friends did it, I'd laugh, but if my elderly grandfather thought he might be able to get some real money from it, I'd be furious.

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@verucalise: Hi this is Vince for Cash4Gold! Now I can only offer this "bonus" to you for the next 20 minutes. I can't do this all day. Now were're gonna do this in real time, you following me camera guy? OK, We get your envelope, rip it open, there's your jewelery, there's your gold. Now we take your jewelery and stick it in our pockets, look half the money's gone already. We move around some dates, and wow, all the money's gone.....for you.

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@masonreloaded: B/c there's only one emotion/drive that will supersede self preservation. Greed.

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@Canino: If nothing else, review points 4, 5, and 6.

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*crosses fingers for a $3,000 check*

Spend it wisely Ben!

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The problem is they are taking advantage of ignorant people. It is unethical at the very least.

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I just think it is a terrible thing to advertise. "Give us gold and we'll give you money! Beg, borrow, or steal it! We don't care where it came from, just as long as it is GOLD! Your mother's rings, that stranger's watch, a jewlery store display... It doesn't matter! Send us gold and we'll send you money!!"


Yeah, that sounds like a really ethical and reasonable company. They are no better than the check cashing places that take advantage of people who are already in financial trouble or else why would they be there? They know people desperate enough to send them gold in exchange for far less than it is worth aren't in any position to take action against the compnay when they get screwed. It is a sad commentary of our time when companies like this grow to the size that they can afford to advertise on the superbowl.

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@Ash78: Heh. I'm sure the reason both examples involves proximity to international waters.

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@Plates: I more wonder when one of their stooges is going to lay some astroturf here.

Any bets?

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@Mary Marsala with Fries:
Yes, but if you just stole a bag full of gold jewelry on your recent crime spree then you can't exactly take that to a local pawn shop. This is a service for people who don't want the items to be found in the local market. Get rid of it, melt it down, and make sure it never points back to me. This company is little more than a chop shop for jewelry.

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@Kimaroo: Fred Williamson endorsed Cash4Gold? That's disappointing.

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@PunchesSmallAnimals_GitEmSteveDave: If greed supersedes all else, they wouldn't go to this company to sell their gold. It seems to me like it's more like laziness that will supersede all else.

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@Canino: Yeah, this isn't a scam...it's just a really bad deal.

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I would guess that the people who use Title Loan places - and other "fast cash" places, Cash4Gold would be perfect for them.

Too bad they are advertising to others who will be taken in on the scam...... and I just wonder how many senior citizens who are low on cash are shipping off their gold for 1/10th the value.... and are happy because they just don't know any better.

Sad.

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@MameDennis: Heheheh...


That ad was totally playing into my nostalgic love for the Hammer.. Which I'm sure was the whole idea in the first place.


"This medalian of me wearing a medalian!"


I admit though I was suprised that he took part in it.. I knew he was hurtin (heh.) for money a few years ago.. but then he became a minister on TV.. so I thought he'd be above this..


I guess not...

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@masonreloaded: I wonder the same thing. I've never been to a pawn shop but I still know how they work ....

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@ocdetails: Isn't fencing stolen goods illegal in most places? I wonder if these guys are actually following all the required laws as far as proving that the people selling them stuff have proper ownership of it.

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Just the fact that cash4gold was able to afford a 3 million dollar super bowl spot should let the extra dumb people know that its a scam from beginning to end. If you're still too dumb to figure it out, then by all means, send em your gold.

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@savdavid:
To my 79 year old mom, somewhat impared but not enough for us to take away her ability to manage her own funds, this looks great. No driving or negotiating, she thinks. For old jewelery, some extra money. Shame on them. Terrible karma. It breaks my heart.


I also thought this might encourage more theft; it seems a pretty easy way to get $ for stolen jewelery without having to go to a pawn shop locally and open goods up to possible police scrutiny.

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@masonreloaded: You would use this company if: A) you are completely bed ridden and unable to step foot outside your home to go to an actual jewelry store or pawn shop or B) You've stolen all of this gold and are looking for a quick way to fence your goods and destroy the evidence.

Actually I'm guessing (totally unsubstantiated) 8 out of 10 people who use the service have stolen the gold.

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@Canino: I'd say it's a thinly veiled scam. It *should* be pretty obvious to everyone that you're not going to get full value for your jewelry. The problem is that they don't give you that impression in the commercials and the majority of the population has at least one of these three traits that simple scams like this prey upon: Greedy, Stupid, Desperate.

Also this company fails 2 of my criteria for me to consider it a reputable buisness: it contains the word "cash" in the business name and it needlessly replaces a word with a number.

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@Jon Mills: I like it. Probably amounts to some sort of mail fraud but I'm all for it.

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@rpm773: I'm beginning to think that the broadcasters who accept this sort of advertising should maybe be held legally accountable for anything illegal about the advertised products or services. I mean, how are you not part of the scam if you're taking money to promote it on television for some one? Would it be okay for a TV station or cable company to accept money from a company selling crystal meth by mail? If that's not legal, why are other scam infomercials ok?

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How many people actually have a significant amount of gold jewelry just laying around their house? I have my wedding rings and a few necklaces, but the people on these commercials act like we are all walking around blinged out from head to toe.

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@PunchesSmallAnimals_GitEmSteveDave: You forgot "This process was invented in Germany, so you can be sure that they know what they're doing."

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@Jon Mills:

That is what I was thinking... just spray a bunch of rocks with gold paint and put them in the mailer... wouldn't cash4gold have to eat the postage bill?

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@EBounding: Yeah, Verizon math sure has become popular...

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@TurboWagon00: I'm conflicted too because it's obviously a way to scam gold out of people... but on the other hand, I'm pissed that I didn't think of it first.

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@Jon Mills: Mostly stuff like that just gets "misplaced" by the post office anyway. They don't actually deliver business reply bricks.