eBay Opportunists Already Trying To Sell Their Kindle 2 Pre-Orders For $$$

Amazon announced the Kindle 2 today and there are already people on eBay trying to sell their “place in line” for a huge markup. The new Kindle will retail for $359.00 (you can pre-order them now) but if you are really impatient can pay some person on eBay $599.99 for their presumably better pre-order spot.. ugh.

The whole thing sort of reminds us of the Canadian guy who got stuck with a closet full of PS3s.

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  1. scoobydoo says:

    Ebay will probably pull all those auctions. They’ve really been fighting stupid pre-sale stuff lately, and the rule is usually that you need to have the actual item in your possession.

  2. your new nemesis says:

    Damn, I wish i had thought of that. Hell, i just now heard of the kindle. I need to get with the times, out from under my rock, and buy ahead to make a profit.

  3. FuryOfFirestorm says:

    This will not end well. I bet at least half the asshats auctioning off their ‘preorder’ will take the money and leave the ‘winning’ bidder with jack shit.

  4. Eyebrows McGee (now with double the baby!) says:

    I can understand buying someone’s preorder of a Nintendo Wii for the kiddies for Christmas (I wouldn’t DO it, but I can UNDERSTAND it), but who needs a Kindle THIS BADLY, THIS QUICKLY? Who can’t wait six weeks? Srsly.

    • Ash78 ain't got time to bleed says:

      @Eyebrows McGee: I can’t believe they’re backordered! My fingers are going to get so dirty reading “books” until mine arrives!

      I really had no idea the Kindle had gotten this huge. When it first came out, I figured it was going to be another Apple Newton.

      • legwork says:

        @Ash78: Huge? I’m sure the marketing is huge, at least relative to current marketing. But $359? YGBFKM. It just isn’t starting for me. Someone better explain it with an old math translation.

      • komodork says:

        @Ash78: It isnt backordered yet. I just looked at their site and it says pre-order. If it was on backorder, it would of shown it

      • Eyebrows McGee (now with double the baby!) says:

        @Ash78: My mom ADORES her Kindle, but not, like, “can’t wait six weeks” adoringness.

  5. Plates says:

    $359? I can buy a lot of actual books for $359!

    • sir_eccles says:

      @Plates: Or go to the local library for whatever pittance of a share of my taxes they get.

    • SacraBos says:

      @Plates: I fully believe that you can’t replace real books until you can take it into the bathroom with you… Hey, wait…

      But yeah, books are cheaper (even more if you go to Half-Price), don’t require batteries, easier to lend to your friends, and sell back to Half-Price when you’re tired of it.

    • Saboth says:

      @Plates:

      Well, not to mention even after you spend $359, you STILL have to pay $6-$12 for the books!

    • DePaulBlueDemon says:

      @Plates:

      I agree! Between the library, used book stores, and eBay/Half.com, I really don’t see the need for a $359 reading device.

      I also prefer to read paperbacks because they are more flexible and I can find a comfortable position while reading. :)

  6. dakotad555 says:

    Amazon needs to capitalize on this. All they need to do is create an affiliate selling page where they can sell Kindle 2s at a 300% mark up. Just like Ticket Master does with tickets…

  7. Yoko Broke Up The Beatles says:

    These sort of auctions sicken me. I’ve seen these things before with championship apparel, sports tickets, et. – the ol’ “Pay me now and you’ll get it when I get it.”

    I hate ‘em. My only recommendation is to only bid on eBay on stuff that the seller notes is in their posession already. I think having an item and being able to ship very soon after the auction end is a very underrated ‘pro’ for bidders.

  8. howie_in_az says:

    What’s the point of these Kindles? $10 for a book that you can’t trade-in to a bookstore with a $359 up-front fee for the joy of reading your non-tradable $10 books on != money well spent.

    • your new nemesis says:

      @howie_in_az: It is just a new gadget, thats all. Look at the markdown on MP3 Players and ipods and the like. Eventually the technology gets cheaper, better, and more economical. Plus, give it a few months after the thing becomes popular, and you’ll be able to download books off of torrent sites for free.

    • econobiker says:

      @howie_in_az: The techno-geeks do not have a new I-Phone to gush about so let them go with the Kindle…

    • cuchanu says:

      @howie_in_az: I don’t think anybody is trying to say it’s a good deal. But you have to admit that, money aside, it’s a pretty cool product for some people.

    • MissPeacock says:

      @howie_in_az: I briefly considered getting one of these, but there’s something strangely enjoyable about the tactile sensation of physically turning a page. Plus, I get all of my books from the library, so it makes more sense for me to continue reading “real” books.

    • downwithmonstercable says:

      @howie_in_az: I don’t get it either. Although I will admit that the screen really does strangely look like paper.

      Unfortunately, I barely ever read books, except for the occasional political related stuff. (yikes I just became part of my hipster stereotype) I’m currently reading Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. In paperback. $4 on half.com. Score!

    • Canino says:

      @howie_in_az: I would consider one of these if the magazines I get were available on it. It would be great to be able to carry a few years’ worth of searchable back issues. Being black/white instead of color would be a drawback, but I think it would still be ok. Unfortunately, not one single sportsman’s magazine is available. Time, Newsweek, New Yorker…feh.

    • GyroMight says:

      @howie_in_az: I agree this doesn’t make sense for a lot of people but I thought one selling point was that if you bought one of these you had access to a bunch of free books that were available online. Is that wrong?

      • speedwell (propagandist and secular snarkist) says:

        @FoxBearDog: Everyone has access to an enormous number of free books online. And you don’t need to spend extra to read them.

    • Eyebrows McGee (now with double the baby!) says:

      @howie_in_az: My mom has one she travels with. She is speed reader of the universe, so she can easily go through three 400-page paperbacks in 4 hours. This way she only has to carry one thing for the bimonthly round trips she’s currently making instead of 6-8 books/trip.

      She buys some e-books, finds others free (doing lots of reading of the classics!). She tended to spend a lot on “disposable” books anyway.

      I don’t quite see the joy myself, but if I traveled as much as she currently travels, I can see how it’d be useful. (Me, I travel rarely enough that I can use the time to catch up on my podcasts and splurge on the airport bookstore when I run out of books I brought.)

    • BytheSea says:

      @howie_in_az: I don’t know anyone with a kindle who isn’t over 50 and the CEO of something boring. It’s expensive useless electronic toys for people who are usually too scared of technology to buy them.

  9. speedwell (propagandist and secular snarkist) says:

    I’ve been reading for free on my Palm T|X handheld, thanks to Manybooks.net and Project Gutenberg. (Well, free plus voluntary donations that don’t hold a candle to the value I’ve gotten from them.) I’ve been reading books on handhelds nonstop since before the Amazon Bungle hit the shelf. And I’m a lightning-fast reader, folks.

  10. aguacarbonica says:

    I still have yet to be convinced that the Kindle is worth buying for pretty much anyone. If it had a large textbook selection with a great markdown, I would actually consider getting it for school in, say, my freshman year.

    Humanities and social science classes often require a huge number of paper back books, usually popular reading, that I don’t intend to read after the class. If Kindle Books cost 50% of what I was paying on amazon for an actual copy of the book that I could then resell for profit, I’d probably consider it a good deal. This is just useless gadgetry.

    • your new nemesis says:

      @aguacarbonica: Probably useless now to the masses, but I am sure that some career fields could greatly benefit from having that much info in a condensed area, like research or law or something.

      • philmin says:

        @skizsrodt:

        Yeah, if only laptops haven’t existed for 16 years.

        • your new nemesis says:

          @philmin: Touche. But I was hitting on that a kindle would be more convenient, as far as power on time and size etc. as compared to a laptop. I guess it would be like an ipod vs a laptop, you can do the same thing with a laptop, but an ipod is just easier to deal with.

          • speedwell (propagandist and secular snarkist) says:

            @skizsrodt: Right, because a hundred dollars for a new handheld plus 30 dollars for Documents To Go so you can read PDF files on it would be a way worse deal, man.

  11. philmin says:

    Kindles-without a doubt-are the dumbest consumer item in a long time, and will be considered a wasteful joke within a few years. The false “convenience” and “value” of these things is astonishing. 400 bucks to have the right to buy digital-only books for a minimum of 10 dollars a pop? Because most of us have to spend a lot more than that on ACTUAL books now, right? Wrong. Oh, and so many of us have issues with the size of our libraries, or carrying a paperback or two on a flight. Its similar to the 1,200 dollar “personal” dvd players from a few years ago.

    • speedwell (propagandist and secular snarkist) says:

      @philmin: Didn’t today’s posted deals have a netbook for less than the cost of the Kindle? Doesn’t that just say it all?

    • annexw says:

      @philmin:

      My last trip without an ereader, I took 4 large trade paperbacks and bought 2 more in transit.

      Last trip with an ereader I brought 65 books with me and read 10 of them.

      If you read a lot and travel, an ereader is worth the money. Its not a matter of a few paperbacks.

      It seems the same things people are saying about ereaders they were saying about MP3 players…”why do you need to have more then a couple cd’s with you..”

      • aguacarbonica says:

        @annexw:

        I think it might be because the average person does listen to music a good portion of time, and perform tasks where having portable music is very useful, such as homework, work, or relaxation.

        On the other hand, the average person doesn’t travel a lot, or for the length of time that would necessitate that many books. I don’t think your analogy holds up when you would be hard-pressed to find a terrible lot of non-students who read 65 books in a year.

        The only convincing argument I have heard for a Kindle thus far was environmentalism. It does save a lot of paper being wasted, and if you have the money, I believe the environment is a valuable investment.

    • ludwigk says:

      @philmin: I have to disagree on that one. Digital books and digital distribution are definitely the way read media will go some day, but the product isn’t entirely palatable for most yet.

      People will still make the value comparisons to books, and the upfront $400 price tag is still rather high for some.

      But look at the advantages of the mobile device:

      There was a recent article about how for the amount the NY Times spends printing and distributing their paper for 6 months, they could instead buy ALL of their home delivery customers a Kindle. With a kindle, you can distribute the NY Times for pennies over cellular networks. In a couple years, when eReaders are half the price or less, and that much better, and deliver costs for print media and delivery have stayed the same or risen, don’t you think it would make sense for periodical media to ditch all home delivery and give their customers a Reader and save millions of dollars?

      For someone like my girlfriend, the Kind would be perfect – except that she is exceptionally stingy and we’re not made of money. She reads around 50-100 books a year, and she’d read even more if they were conveniently available. With a Kindle, she could carry one small device, get ~20 hours of reading off of one charge, and be able to get a new book in a few minutes while she finishes up the previous one. In fact, such a device in her hands would be downright dangerous.

      The Kindle isn’t “convenience”, its more like 180-pt C-O-N-V-E-N-I-E-N-C-E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. Starfury says:

    I’d rather have a paper copy of a book than an electronic one. I have to sit in front of a computer reading from a screen all day at work; when I read for fun I want a book.

    Now if there was something that could be done with the $8 price tag on new paperbacks…

    • downwithmonstercable says:

      @Starfury: half.com and amazon are the best for used books, especially if you’re looking for an obscure title. If it was a widely released book and it’s been out a while, you can get it for super cheap.

    • ludwigk says:

      @Starfury: I’d rather have both. I want the paperback for when I’m on the subway, or walking about. When I’m done, I can lend it to a friend.

      When I’m sitting at home or on vacation, I’d rather have a light eReader tablet for search, annotation, and convenience.

  13. papahoth says:

    Well New York Times after election day were going for $500 on ebay. I just bought that one, the one after inaguration day, and the Magazine on Obama all in the special sleaves to preserve them for $29 shipped from the NYT. You think some people are feeling burned now? I can’t tell you how many times I saw people bid up items past the buy it now price. You should not use ebay unless you know what you are doing.

  14. speedwell (propagandist and secular snarkist) says:

    OK, guys, we all thought that stupid book club where you bought five books for a dollar and three more over the next year was a scam? And it was how much cheaper than this thing? It’s basically a book club plus three hundred dollars!

  15. Skybolt says:

    The Kindle doesn’t interest me, but it’s not hard to understand the segment this is aimed at. People who like technology, are educated and affluent, and (especially) who both read a lot and travel a lot, could get good use out of this product. I know there was a lot of excitement about the original from people of this sort, and there will probably be the same excitement about this new one. It’s not just dorks needing the newest gadget.

  16. metaled says:

    I love this line on the ebay page:

    Amazons Kindle 2.0 could have better screen, longer battery life, sleeker design (UPDATED)

    It *COULD HAVE* these features!

  17. twophrasebark says:

    Those of you criticizing the Kindle have never seen one.

    The display looks exactly like paper.

    It is nothing like an LCD screen.

    It is jaw-droppingingly cool.

    • speedwell (propagandist and secular snarkist) says:

      @twophrasebark: Your jaw certainly appears to have dropped. Here’s a tissue, wipe that drool off your chin.

      Paper looks exactly like paper. And what exactly was so wrong with an LCD screen?

      Wake me when the books you buy for this thing are actually your own property.

      • ludwigk says:

        @speedwell, avatar of snark: They consume too much power. Even an efficient laptop screen consumes about 10W of power at a moderate brightness. LED displays cut that down by about 1/3 to about 7 watts.

        An e-ink display? .1 W when active, and basically none when idle. Battery life isn’t measured in on-time, its measured in page-flips because e-ink only consumes power to change the display.

        So, that’s whats wrong with LCDs.

  18. Squeezer99 says:

    someone fill me in. What is Kindle?

  19. quail says:

    Don’t forget that the ebooks for the Kindle come with DRM. When you buy the book you’re restricted in your use of it.

    For the money, why don’t people just get a netbook? Cost is about the same and you can do a heck of a lot more with it. Current netbooks with solid state hard drives can get about 10 hours of battery life.

    But if I’m going to read a book, I prefer the actual thing in my hands.

    • speedwell (propagandist and secular snarkist) says:

      @quail: …if I’m going to read a book, I prefer the actual thing in my hands….

      Me, too, but since it’s a little hard to fit five hundred books in my purse, I carry my Palm with me when I’m out. And a charger. :)

    • cjnewbs says:

      @quail:
      The advantages of an eBook reader is mainly how the device pretty much only uses power when the screen is updated. Thats why the sony reader is rated for 4,000 page turns, not 24 hours or whatever the battery lasts time-wise. The other main advantage is that you can carry hundreds of books with you. With the kindle i believe you can also subscribe to a paper and it automatically downloads each morning.

  20. maxx22 says:

    I don’t yet own a Kindle but I’ve played with the K-1 and read the specs on the K-2. They look good.

    A few points.

    I think the main growth market here may be periodicals.

    I suspect than many more magazines and newespapers will cease hard copy publication within the next few years.

    Paper, printing, transportation, mailing, taking back unsold copies (newstands), etc. coupled with advertising revenue fall-off is just too much for many publications.

    They will probably continue with on-line paid subscriptions or something like the Kindle.

    If I had a Kindle, I would probably use it for the newspapers I get at newstands every morning and for subscriptions magazines I get weekly or monthly. The newspapers would be cheaper on the Kindle; the magazines would be more expensive than the discount subscription price.

    Obviously, the Kindle lacks the computer power of a notebook but it is certainly easier to use for reading, the purpose for which it is designed.

    I can see text books coming here and colleges or graduate schools requiring them for certain courses. That will be the big breakthrough.

    • orlo says:

      @maxx22: I expect that magazines and newspapers would rather just shut down than adapt to new technology. They’ll walk away with the large profits they’ve made over the years, and there won’t be anyone with enough cash to rebuild their business.

    • Outrun1986 says:

      @maxx22: This would be REALLY great for grade-schools, if these devices were durable enough. Not that any state has enough money to pay for one for every student though right now. It only reads books, so you wouldn’t have to worry about kids playing on the net or playing games instead of reading. Gasp if you gave them an electronic e-book reader they might actually WANT to read!

      I say this because there are a lot of parents right now who are concerned about how much weight kids are carrying around in their backpacks. Most kids carry a load that is far too much for them on a daily basis, and parents are worried about physical damage from carrying large and heavy backpacks. Especially when the sling backpacks are in and anything with a strap over each shoulder is out, the sling backpacks are even worse for your back than regular backpacks.

      Imagine if each kid was given a kindle, this would SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the weight they were carrying, and alleviate this problem. It would also allow students to have access to the most current information for very little cost (thus improving education) once the initial investment was made, no more using that outdated history textbook that is 10 years old because the state cannot afford new ones for each classroom.

      The only thing is the textbook industry will probably do everything in their power to prevent this from happening because it will mean much less profit for them!

    • HogwartsAlum says:

      @maxx22:

      Digital-only periodicals would mean that I spend more time surfing on my laptop, not spending nearly $400 for an electronic reader.

      I would miss my magazines.

  21. Fermina Daza says:

    It’s called the library… and it’s free.

  22. Microshock says:

    @howie_in_az:

    Maybe it’s just me, but i hate hate hate holding down a book in a certain way so it doesnt close on me or something, i’d much prefer a kindle to reading…

    But it’s too expensive for me

  23. kmw2 says:

    Slimmer machine, bigger hard drive, and still crippled with DRM and trying to sell books more expensive than paperback editions. Still not bothering.

  24. Meathamper says:

    The Kindle is smart. True. Sadly, it doesn’t work in the real world. If I leave my cheap little paperback on the bus, who cares, right? But if I leave my ridiculously expensive Kindle there, I’d be pulling hairs and I wouldn’t be able to pee for days.

    So early adopters, tell me, is this really what you want?

  25. pixiegirl1 says:

    I honestly didn’t hear of Kindle until this post. I guess I’m lucky my library is partnered with other libraries in the area and they offer tons of e-books, you can check out up to 15 at a time. You do have a time limit on them you have 14 days to read them but I generally don’t need 14 days. If I really feel the need to reread I can always check it out again.