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Not Even Money Saves You From Foreclosure

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Eric lost his home to foreclosure, but unlike other homeowners, he had actually been trying for the past month-and-a-half to buy it back from the mortgage company for more than the mortgage. The law firm that was handling it, however, wanted an extra $20k in fees to make that happen. He told the realtor that he would buy it for more than it was going to be listed for. The realtor told him that he couldn't make a bid until it was "active," which would happen on 11-29. On Sunday he tells the broker he;ll give an offer on Monday. Monday rolls around and they've already sold the house to someone else, for less than Eric was willing to pay. They said they "forgot" that he was going to make a bid. Eric is livid. His story, inside...

I recently lost my home to foreclosure. The sad part is I tried for the last 30-40 days before the foreclosure to buy my home from the mortgage company for more than the balance owed on the mortgage. By this time, the mortgage had been referred to a local law firm, which wanted almost $20,000 in fees above the balance of the mortgage. They would not negotiate at all. A friend was helping me try to save my home, but the $20,000 in fees on top of the $100,000 owed was insurmountable.

Fast forward to the house being put on the market. I met the realtor handling the sale. I told him I wanted to make an offer to purchase my home back. I was told I could not make an offer until the listing was 'active', per NC law. I was told on Friday 11-28th that the house would go on the market on Saturday 11-29, after which I could submit my offer to purchase. They put the house on the market for $49,950. I called the broker Sunday evening to tell him I would be putting my offer for $50,500 in on Monday morning. I got a phone call on Monday morning telling me that they had already taken an offer, communicated it to the seller and had it accepted and the house was under contract.

Keep in mind the following:
1- The property is in Durham, NC
2- The REO firm in charge of the sale for Homecomings Financial is in San Diego, CA
3- The local real estate firm hired by the REO firm to market and sell the house is in Raleigh, NC

The original story I was given was that an offer was made and accepted on Saturday, and that the contract on the house was already signed on Monday morning at appx. 10am EST. When I remarked that it was odd that all of this happened over a Sat. and Sunday, and that 10am EST was 7am in San Diego, I started getting various changing storied from the Broker-in-Charge.

Long story short, the story now is they simply 'made a mistake' when they 'forgot' that I wanted to put in an offer. Despite my being in regular contact with their broker. I found out today that they actually took the offer to purchase which they accepted on 11-24.

AT THAT TIME, I WAS BEING TOLD I COULD NOT YET PUT AN OFFER TO PURCHASE IN, BECAUSE THE HOUSE WAS NOT YET AN ACTIVE LISTING AND IT WAS AGAINST THE REAL ESTATE RULES IN NC!!!

The listing real estate company is Weichert-Welcome Home in Raleigh, NC. The broker representing the 'purchaser' is with Weichert-Mark Thomas Properties in Durham, NC.

I will have to wait until the deed is recorded before I can find out how much the sale was for, but I have been told that the sale was for less than the listed asking price.

Remember, I was trying to pay HIGHER than the listed asking price...

I apologize for the poorly written email. This is so damn emotionally draining and frustrating, and there is nothing that I can do. I was willing and able to pay my mortgage off in full and then some and was rebuffed. Then when I again tried to buy my home back, I was lied to and deceived so that the house could be sold for less to someone else, who happened to work with an affiliated company.

There is so much wrong here.

Thank you for reading this. I am so sick about all of this. I've been trying for almost 4 months to save my home, BY PAYING THAN OWED AND THEN MORE THAN THE LIST PRICE AND EACH DAMN TIME I HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE RUN AROUND, LIED TO AND/OR IGNORED.

I honestly don't get it. So Homecomings lost a bunch of money on just my home, despite me trying to pay it off in full.

Here are the people and companies I dealt with:

Listing Agent/Firm:
Weichert Realty - Welcome Home
4805 Green Rd. #103 Raleigh, NC 27616
http://bit.ly/10Ssc

I attempted to work with Jim Wilson to resolve this issue.
Mr. Wilson is the Broker-in-Charge as well as owner of this branch.
Mr. Wilson is the individual who 'just plain forgot all about my offer'.

http://www.weichert.com/search/offices/office.aspx?site=wdc&office=50-J46

REO Asset Mgmt company:
Advent REO LLC
1951 Fourth Ave #302, San Diego, CA 92101
www.adventreo.com

I spoke with Josh Purkiss to try to resolve this issue.

'Buyer's' Firm/Broker:

Weichert Realty - Mark Thomas Realty
3901 University Drive Durham, NC 27707
http://www.markthomasrealty.com/

The broker representing the 'purchaser' is Doug Osborn.

The Mortgage Company is Homecomings Financial, a division of GMAC.
www.homecomings.com

My gut read on this story is that the various parties Eric was dealing with were in cahoots with one another to buy the place cheap. Here's commenter dwasifar's take on the situation:

"What happened here is obvious. Someone involved in the process of selling this home, either in the lawyer's office or in the realtor's, put together a sweetheart deal for themselves or a friend to get this property at a bargain price. They shut Eric out of the process by misleading him so they could get the house themselves for the minimum the bank was willing to accept.

At the very least he should document what happened and inform the seller. The realtor and/or lawyer basically stole money from them, and they are probably not aware of what happened."

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wow, that would piss me off, more so if the other person who bought the house was in cahoots and knows them personally.

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This is so frustrating. I've heard the FDIC is doing this as well with their REO - selling to a lowball bidder even if there are others willing to pay more just to get the real estate off the books.

I'm a little confused as to why the home was in foreclosure though -- if the OP had the cash why was the mortgage in default (or was it)?

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Maybe next time you will stay current on your mortgage and this won't happen.

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Homecomings, a GMAC company. I used to work for GMAC ResCap and I can tell you this, that company used to spout "business with integrity" all the time until the market went in the crapper. Now they are just as scummy and scammy as anyone out there. Not that they were ever that great.

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"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Something tells me that if these people couldn't even save their industry from almost total collapse, they're probably not conspiring to screw over homeowners. It's probably just a nice side-effect.

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Sounds like the only injured party here is the lender, which got less for the house than it otherwise could have.

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So, if he could outright pay for his house to begin with why was he in foreclosure?
That sucks dude, I hope you get it back.

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@JustThatGuy3: No, I'd say that the Eric was damn well injured since he lost his home and basically wasted all the time and effort he invested in it.

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@Mr.DuckSauce: That was my first thought. Sell it cheap to a "friend" then make a tidy profit a few weeks later.

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@Mr.DuckSauce: Yeah I agree. This whole thing was a bunch of shit. But the question is: What can he do about it? You can't complain to anyone about it, can you?
Least I can see is reporting to the Realtor Law people in NC and telling them a offer was accepted on 11-24 and see what they do.

Man this whole thing was reallll shitty.

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@RagingBoehner: he said a buddy was helping him out.

"A friend was helping me try to save my home"

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With all the money I have put into my house since buying it, I dont know how I would honestly handle the situation.

Since I paid for appliances, siding, garage door, doors, windows and other upgrades I think they might be moving them with me if I was forced out. I do have the reciepts for the guy at the door.

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@TeeDub: really Captain Obvious? you've come to save us all??

sometimes shit just happens that you cannot control no matter what you do. Taking that stance doesn't work in all situations.

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There's no way the law firm could possibly have 20K in fees. A routine non-judicial foreclosure costs between $1,200 - 2,000, and I fairly certain that North Carolina is a Deed of Trust state so it would be non-judicial. Unless he was challenging the foreclosure, there wouldn't be 20K in fees.


Also, if there was a realtor involved, then they would have written a contract immediately (active or not active). It's their commission on the line, and if they can get more, then they'll do anything.


The story seems to be a little strange.

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@JustThatGuy3: unfortunately this is not uncommon. This summer I 'lost out' on bids because the Realtor 'forgot' that I was sending in a bid, even though we(my Realtor and I) had been in constant touch with them and they were aware that I was willing to pay listing price or more.

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@RagingBoehner: There's no way they could legally sell off his house unless he hadn't been paying (unless he fell victim to one of those deed swapping scams)

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@TeeDub:

Thanks for the useful advice 4chan moderator.

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@Oranges w/ Cheese: Yeah, I'm kind of wondering this myself.

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Dar's copper in dem dar walls!!


Just kidding. Don't do that. Really.

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@JustThatGuy3:

This might sound CRAZY but I'd say the guy trying to buy his house back was screwed over.

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@vdragonmpc:

If I was forced out of my home believe me I would be back to collect my appliances even if I had to break in.

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My question is: what would the house actually be worth if it wasn't being foreclosed on? The OP says he had a $100k mortgage on the home but it sold for less than $49k. Was this a deal of the century (in which case, if the Op had gotten it at 50K it would have essentially wiped out 50% of his mortgage debt) or was it massively over-leveraged???

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What happened here is obvious. Someone involved in the process of selling this home, either in the lawyer's office or in the realtor's, put together a sweetheart deal for themselves or a friend to get this property at a bargain price. They shut Eric out of the process by misleading him so they could get the house themselves for the minimum the bank was willing to accept.

At the very least he should document what happened and inform the seller. The realtor and/or lawyer basically stole money from them, and they are probably not aware of what happened.

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@Oranges w/ Cheese: It's entirely plausible that money was tight for a while -- a layoff, let's say, then followed by a cash windfall -- and the mortgage-holder fell behind by one or two payments, in which case there is then NO negotiating with the bank, no matter how much they claim there is, and by the time he had the cash they were already well on their way into the foreclosure and nothing would stop it, come hell or high water.

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You know, sometimes you forget to turn off the burner with bacon in the pan which happens to be next to a dishrag which happens to be next to the curtains which happen to be next to an old pile of newspapers...

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I wonder what happen if the reader were to conveniently strip everything in the house of value? Or, could he accidentally break every window on the way out?

More than likely, he'll get to keep the house as the story gets investigated by the local press. However, if the writer gets so furious that he no longer wants the house, is there anything stopping him from making sure nobody else will want the house either?

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@TeeDub: Simply put: shut up and die, jerkoff.

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A realtor has a fiduciary responsibility to act in the best interests of the property owner (presumably the bank in this instance). By ignoring an opportunity to obtain a higher selling price, the Realtor is in breach of contract.


You should contact the Real Estate boards in both states. You should also contact the seller who's best interests were not served by the RE agent. It seems to me they might want to NOT pay the commission owed, since the Realtor is in breach of contract.


Your state Attorney General may also have an interest as will local TV stations, since this is both a 'human interest' story and it puts a local face on the mortgage crisis, certainly a continuing major news story.


Good luck!

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My parents were victims of a "sweetheart deal" in Wilson, NC... basically everyone involved in the transaction was in cahoots, letting my folks buy a house that they really couldn't afford (so yes, my parents take some blame in this too). But it was only after they had left NC that they learned how much back-room dealing apparently went on... arranging the mortgage as some sort of business loan, interest-only with a baloon payment (before this sort of thing was popular), stuff like that. Surprised my folks went in for that, but they loved the house, I guess.

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It definitely sounds like there was some sort of collusion that went on so that someone could get the house on the cheap.


Eric should contact the state attorney general (maybe even CA's AG, too) and also whatever state entity in NC that is responsible for licensing real estate agents.

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This doesn't make sense. I don't know North Carolina law, but generally a mortgagor has an absolute right to redeem the property, even after the foreclosure sale, if he pays the amount of the outstanding mortgage debt. That does not entitle the law firm to insist on attorney's fees above and beyond the mortgage debt.

This guy needs to hire a lawyer right away. And he should file a complaint with the North Carolina Bar Association (or whatever they call it) against that law firm.

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@JustThatGuy3:
If the property was bought by a partner or affiliated company then they will resell the house when the property value rises and will make more than he was offering. They get the advantage of waiting as long as they want where as he is SOL.

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@backbroken: I think it's sad that people would do that when they couldn't pay the mortgage, but if I was getting screwed over like the guy in the post and I was still living in the place, I'd put up an ad on Myspace and Facebook advertising free beer and free sledgehammers for a demolition party at my house.

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@TeeDub: I don't know why everyone is jumping all over you. Your tone may leave a little to be desired, but your point is valid.

That being said, it does sound like the OP was making a good faith effort to correct the mistakes he made, and the shoddy business practices he ran up against prevented him from doing so.

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@Adisharr:


Nobody can claim to be "screwed" because another party chose not to sell him something. It's not his house (it ceased to be when he defaulted on his loan), it's not his call to whom it should be sold.

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@Oranges w/ Cheese: He said a friend was helping him. Maybe that's where the extra money to save the house came from?

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@elocanth:


Eric "lost" his home when he failed to pay the mortgage and defaulted on the loan. At that point, it became the bank's house, and then could sell it to whomever they wanted, at whatever price they wanted.

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@Oranges w/ Cheese: Did you not read it. He didn't have the money. A friend got involved to get him the money to buy off the mortgage.

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@Oranges w/ Cheese: As the OP noted in his story, his friend was helping him buy the house back. One might infer that the OP ran into financial trouble and only got help after he defaulted on the mortgage.

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@Adisharr:


And that would be breaking and entering and theft. The appliances become part of the house once they're installed.

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@vdragonmpc: Yeah man, I would strip all that shit out, even if I couldn't use it.

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@dwasifar:


Agreed - sounds like someone ripped off the bank here.

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@BoomerFive: Nah, IMO ResCap has always been kinda scummy (in my experience of business dealings at least). They jumped on the Alt-A tide just as fast as Countrywide did (and even built one of the most widely used automated underwriting systems to support the making of those loans.)

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A house is a house, just that and nothing more. Cut your loses and take your cash and get a better place.

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@SkokieGuy: I agree, you should definitely contact the local media about this.

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@backbroken: How else would he get his fix money? Doing speedballs every day isn't cheap, and like you said, the copper is right there for the taking.

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@ZenMasterKel: I concur. The laws are pretty laid out for what must happen in a forclosure- it kind of sounds like the OP didn't really know what they were or had anyone working for him as an advocate to ensure his rights in the situation.

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Not really related to the story (which really does suck), but I find it funny that those who express themselves best are the most likely to apologize for their inability to do so.

This was a well-written and articulate--if somewhat impassioned--account of what happened, which is a rare find on the interwebz. And then he apologizes for his "poorly written email". Just kind of funny.

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Am I the only one that wondered about how this guy had the money to pay off his mortgage and yet still went into foreclosure? Maybe it's a big assumption, but could one possibility be that the value of his home went down so much that he thought he'd foreclose to get the better value on his home and just buy it back? Save $50k! I'm sure if I caught wind of that attitude, I'd give him the run around too.

Just another thought. It sounds too sketchy to me.