Despite Addressing Reader Complaint In Front Of Staff, Circuit City CEO Still Wears Failpants
David wrote a very angry letter to Circuit City's CEO. The CEO responded, and used the letter as a learning point in his next staff Town Hall meeting, making David angrier than ever.
David wrote to the Circuit City CEO:
Jim,It is with great humor that I read your little whitewash note inside the cover of your circular this week. I have to admit, I had a nice long laugh, which is always welcome on a Sunday morning. It still amazes me how retail executives believe they can make up for their company's ills by attempting to fool the public that they actually care about the customer. Circuit has proven, and continues to prove everything but that. From shoddy car stereo and alarm installations, to horrible customer service from untrained lazy store reps. to more recently, false and improper rejections of valid rebate claims and failing to honor advertised prices, Circuit City has a LONG and storied history. The customer has ALWAYS been an afterthought at Circuit City. Nothing more than a source of revenue, a statistic on your charts at the weekly meeting. It's the corporate retail way. You know it, and unfortunately for you, we know it just as well. That, my friend, is why you are failing. Consumer across the country are dancing in the aisles at your demise. Why? Because the human spirit yearns for Karma. What comes around, goes around. Something that always seems to escape the corporate bean counters. I wish you a merry holiday season, and a nice spat of winter as you sit on the unemployment line. I know you won't learn anything from this, it's what keeps you what you are, but please feel free to keep this note as a memento of your failures as you journey through them
Your friend,
David B
The CEO responded, and CC'd us:
DavidI always appreciate hearing from our guests, regardless of whether it is good or bad news. Your list of very pointed comments suggests that you have had a number of unsatisfactory experiences with Circuit City. If that’s the case, I am sorry and I only hope that we will have the opportunity to win you back as a customer.
With that said, I want you to know that I passionately disagree with many of your comments regarding the belief that I or this management team is not committed to the customer. I have spent the majority of my career in retail and understand that it is all about the customer and that a company whose culture is focused on the customer experience is what separates a great retailer from one that is average and more importantly it is often what builds the value of the brand.
In my short time as CEO, I have publicly acknowledged that Circuit City has made mistakes in the past. We had lost our way recently and moved away from the customer. But we are not focused on rehashing our mistakes - we’ve got a passionate team focused on fixing our corporate culture and turning this Company around.
I am personally responding to this email because I want you to know that I don’t take these emails lightly. In fact, I received this email shortly before standing in front of over 1300 central office associates Monday afternoon where I personally read this email to all of these associates. I only wish you could have heard or seen their reaction but needless to say that they would also strongly disagree with your conclusions. Circuit City’s heritage has historically been rich in customer service and we are committed to restoring that tradition.
We have more than 30,000 employees working hard to win consumers over – one at a time. We are focused and committed to creating a different and improved experience for our guests. While completely changing and sustaining a new corporate culture doesn’t happen overnight, we have made a lot of progress in just a few short months. We are not great yet, but we are trying very hard to become better.
Thank you for your letter and I sincerely wish you a pleasant holiday.
Regards,
Jim Marcum
Circuit City Stores, Inc.
Vice Chairman, CEO and President
According to this internal communique, it looks like Jim also made good on his promise to talk about this letter to a bunch of his staff:
In the Town Halls earlier this week at the Store Support Center, Jim Marcum shared a letter from an unhappy guest who challenged how sincere we really are about keeping the guest at the center of all that we do. Jim also said he would share his response with us. Below is a copy of the email and, as promised, Jim's response.Thanks,
Elizabeth Warren
Director, Internal Communication
However, David is only madder than ever. He really lets Jim have it this time, laying out a series of Circuit City's failures he's experienced over the years:
Jimbo, you must believe one of three things: 1. I was born yesterday, 2. My experience is somehow, inexplicably unique, or 3. Customers are as dumb as retailers. Let me begin by assuring you that NONE of the above are true. While it MAY have been true that, at its inception, Circuit City was a decent retailer, with a sense of integrity and consumer-focused business model, as with most retail corporations, as they grow, that becomes less and less so. Tell me Jim, would you agree that being "customer focused" means farming out customer service inquires to an Indian CS center, and following up customer inquiries with useless canned responses??? Allow me to share with you MY personal experiences with Circuit City over the past few years:1. Circuit City installed a car alarm in my wife's car about 4 years ago, and in the process of installing the trigger switch in the hatchback, created a hole that allowed water to leak in and flooded the rear under the mats. This was discovered by our mechanic a short time later, and despite my contacting CC several times over this, and even filing a BBB complaint, I was repeatedly rebuffed with the runaround and canned responses.
2. Many times, over the years, I have gone to a CC store to purchase a product, couldn't find it, asked a clerk if it was available, and was told it was not in stock, only to return home, purchase the SAME PRODUCT at the SAME STORE for In-Store pickup, and returned to pick up the item. One time, and this is classic, I actually had a client of mine go to the store to pick up some software that your site stated the store had available, only to be told by the clerks standing around BS'ing with each other that it was out of stock, so with her on the cell phone, we purchased it online and she walked over to the counter and was handed it!
3. Circuit City installed speakers in my current car doors, and ever since, I have been plagued by creaking noises, loose door panels, and even a crossover cover that has fallen out. I have returned to them on at least THREE occasions, on MY time, to have them correct it, and they still haven't.
4. On several occasions, including one just this past month, I have had Circuit City falsely reject rebate submissions. Of course, when I called, oooh, magically, it was revalidated. Yes, we ALL know the game. Randomly reject a certain number of rebates knowing full well that many customers will not follow up. Oh, and I just LOVE the lame excuses your Indian reps give me when I call. Classic!
5. This month, well within the realm of your "new attitude" I purchased a DVD online for shipment, and then 2 days later, after I received confirmation, was told, "oh, that item is no longer available from the manufacturer" It was a recently released DVD that was and is WIDELY available. Incredibly, that same DVD then appeared on your site at a higher price.
6. Several times over the past few years I have purchased items I needed for clients for In-store pickup, shown as available at the store, only to then receive a phone call that the item was not, in fact, available.
I haven't even touched on the many instances of your stores refusing to honor valid price matches, unknowledgeable and lazy sales staff, customers standing in front of the counters waiting to pay for items, while the cashiers were too busy fooling around to wait on them, and the many, many other examples of why your business is failing.
While I am quite sure, it is your job to run spin control, and do what you can to attempt to save your business from failing, let me assure you, it is failing for a reason, and your customers are all WELL aware of why. I trust you have Internet Access, so I am sure you are aware of the thousands of blogs regaling the myriads of poor customer experiences at your stores over the years. So we're not fooling anyone here. I worked in retail myself, in college 20 years ago, so I am WELL aware of the corporate retail mentality, and I know how to run a business, as I do so myself. However, if I ran mine, the way you run yours, I would not expect to remain in business. Jim, we ALL know how it works. Tell me, do you REALLY think firing all your experienced employees and replacing them with minimum wage morons was a customer-focused move??? Are you REALLY that stupid??? No, you just think all your customers are. Please. Save your whitewash for your weekly "let's see how we can rip off and fool the customer" meetings. You are fooling NOBODY but yourselves.
I wonder if David's rebuttal will be shared at the next Town Hall meeting.
Trying to be responsive to customer complaints is great, but lip service will only enrage your critics.
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his first letter also didn't go into the detail that his second one did. Maybe if he outlined his issues first, he would have seen more than just "lip service"
The big question is, why go back after all those times? It seemed like he got burned on more than just a few occasions.
I hate when people go on here to attack the consumer/victim here.. so I'm really trying to not do this. Circuit City is the villain in this case for just being assclowns. They are getting what they deserve. But I still have to ask that if you can cite 6 severe trespasses that you, yourself, have experienced with a company, isn't that at least 3 too many, if not more? Does David live in a town with no other places to go?
@xthexlanternx: Indeed.
Being in "College" "20 years ago" should put this guy in his late 30's or early 40's. David, do you honestly think your letter has any hint of professionalism at all? I understand you are upset (who wouldn't be?), but this letter does not help your case. I certainly hope you treat your "clients" with a little more respect than this, regardless of Jim being deserving of any respect or not.
Not to attack, but what exactly does he expect the CEO to do? Why did he keep going back time after time?
I wish this had never happened to the OP. I wish Circuit City and other big retailers went back to the basics and focused on the customer. I wish they had expertise in their fields. Unfortunately, that time is gone.
It may come back some day in another form, but if people keep shopping at corporate retail stores, this will continue to happen.
@Parapraxis: That was my thought as well: Why the heck does he continue to go back if he has had such bad experiences? Sounds embellished to me! Burn me once, shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me! Dave just sounds like an angry dipshit. Why can't he accept that maybe they are trying to turn things around? His hostility is oozing. He needs to let it go or seek anger management counseling.
No kidding, the ol' hole in the trunk trick would have cured me of that.
I never really had a bad experience at CC, mainly because I never go there, but it's like I've always know that CC was good for crappy service. To me CC was always equal to CompUSA in price and customer service.
Is the customer always right? When a customer gives a company an opportunity to correct a wrong and that does not satisfy the customer, the customer should no longer spend their money in that company the company will no longer be around.
Giving a company a shot and it not being satisfactory the second time and you go back for more?
@blackmage439: I totally agree. The "Jimbo" part was painful to read. He's treating the CEO in the same manner that he feels he's been treated by the CC employees. Being concise and professional goes a long way in writing a complaint letter.
@IphtashuFitz:
That's what I don't get.
They screwed up one of his cars during an installation, yet he had them install car speakers in his other car?
And why play games with their "nope we don't have it...oh you're here for pickup? here it is." system? If they say they don't have it, fine. Go next door to Best Buy and buy it there.
The last time I was in a Circuit City, my friend wanted to pay her wireless bill at the kiosk in the store. There was only 1 clerk on duty, who was helping a family select a plan and phones. This would normally be OK, except that the family had gone off to discuss what they wanted to do, but the clerk claimed he couldn't help my friend (or anyone else) because he'd already started the family's paperwork, and couldn't use the computer for any thing else.
We waited 10 more minutes, then left. There were 4 or 5 others milling around the kiosk while the clerk was still trying to help the family pick out their phone.
I know how frustrating it is to be told some corporate BS when you have a genuine complaint but really... this guy blew it. Since he had the CEO's attention, maybe he could've gotten his complaints looked into. Thanks to his insulting rant, however, I doubt anyone's going to want to take him seriously.
And yes, I agree with everyone else, he let CC ruin his car twice? Twice? Either CC handled his complaints in a manner that satisfied him enough to keep coming back or, he just loves the drama and stress of crappy customer service.
@xthexlanternx: A comment on writing styles and proper English in a feedback section? Really? Being right in the wrong environment: my favorite definition of being 'Righteous'.
This was the greatest email exchange I've read in a while.
I have had my share of a bad experience with the car audio install dept.
For a graduation present, my parents bought me a Car Alarm and Remote start. I was scheduled to have it installed the Sunday after my graduation. I did it while I was at work (I worked just 2 blocks away) and picked it up that day after my shift. Turns out the remote start didn't work (a feature that was an extra $80) and only clicked when activated. They said my starter was bad. I turned the car on via key and was told them "Hey it works. Starter isn't bad." The lackey told me I should take it to a mechanic because I could be damaging my starter by "forcing" it to engage. I brought it to a friend and he signed a work order saying the starter was ok. I proceeded back to CC, demanded they either fix it, or remove it and issue a refund. They quickly got the "Senior Technician" to look at it and it was just a bad relay. Fixed in 20 min.
I've also had problems with their crazy pickup system. I've waited 30min to get an LCD monitor once. After that I swore I would never return, to which I haven't
Sometimes you just have to rage, I completely understand that. CEOs of companies often live with glass floors and don't know what is going on in their company.Dave had an avenue to a person high up in the corporation, why shouldn't he use it to tell the CEO exactly what his experiences were?
Obviously what would be an acceptable response would be recommitting themselves to customer service. This is the CEO, and he does have that ability. My god you people are nay-sayers.
@IphtashuFitz: Agree, with that many poor experiences why would anyone continue to shop at CC? Glutton for punishment?
Apparently CC is doing something right for Jim as he continues to give them $$$.
I can understand David's frustration but the style of the writing is totally opposite to what has generally been suggested here on Consumerist when doing an EECB. You don't have to suck up to get results, but I've always found that a reasonable tone gets much better results, but if getting something off your chest is the result you seek, then I guess everybody got to their happy place.
1) The first letter from Dave is sort of a generalized 'your customer service sucks' complaint.
2) The complaint was addressed, and was most certainly not lip service.
3) The second letter from Dave is patronizing, antagonizing, and downright vile. It's Jim's job to address complaints. It isn't Jim's job to field attacks like he's in middle school.
To Dave: Grow up and learn how to deal with your issues with Circuit City. You are warranted in having them, but this is a prime example of how NOT to get your way.
@blackmage439: Perhaps the CC is either the lesser of two evils in his area or is the only option in his area. A friend of mine literally has 8 Best Buy Locations within 4 miles of his house, but the closest CC/HH Gregg/etc is more than 25 miles away.
@MissPeacock: Also Agree. Though I find it odd that Senor Lee has not replied to my e-mail regarding the monster mini golf debacle. Maybe I was too professional and they decided to leave well enough alone? :S
@amuro98: The Verizon counter? I'd had long waits there as well. About a week after I got my Palm Centro I had a small hairline scratch on the device, so I went out to buy a rubber for it. I really wanted to get one of those "soft touch" hard cases for it instead of the rubber cases, but all they had were the rubber cases. With my VIP discount I paid around $10 for it, but found the premium case just up the street at a new Verizon store.
Long story short, I bought the right case there and returned to Circuit City with the rubber. She was offended that I came back to return the case I bought from her there. However, it's not Circuit City's fault. That's Verizon.
@Unit3000-21: Actually YOU are directly responsible for any suckiness, real or perceived.
A. If the site sucks, why do YOU keep coming back?
B. The rest of us are commenting on the post, YOU are commenting on the comments
C. Do you have anything to say that relates to the actually story?
D. Does you have the ability to make a coherent point without profanity?
You sir are a fucking douchebag.
What's the point of such a self-righteous rant? It just comes off as crazy. I'm not sure what kind of business David runs, but if he flies off the handle like that regularly it's just as screwed as Circuit. Big boys and girls in the big world don't get anything done by screaming at the top of their lungs.
@IphtashuFitz: That was my first thought. David must have a bit of masochist in him. The idea that they are the only game in town is silly. CC won't be in a place small enough to be the only game in town.
Where I live for a long time CC was the only chain store of its kind. So I could see why he would be forced to shop there there are just some things that mom-n-pops don't keep in stock.
For me BB and CC have the same crapy service its just wo has the lower price.
Usually for computer things its the mom-n-pop 3 minutes away where they know me by name.
CC's probably done... just counting the days...
BUT
I do believe this new CEO is trying sincerely to change the corporate culture, I just think it's too little too late. They're still hiring employees that aren't trained properly and are probably too immature (read young and underpaid) to understand the CEO's goals. I'm not hating on employees, I'm basically saying that CC gets what it pays for.
CC will never be Zappo's when they pay like Wal-Mart. CC is and has been trying to become an upscale alternative but you can't be that when you pay $7/hr with no incentives to make employees work harder and provide that customer centric experience.
Consumers can be very shortsighted when making electronics purchases. They will go to C.C. or Best Buy to save $100 and when things go wrong, and they will with electronics, they are incredulous when they don't receive the level of customer service only found at your local A/V dealer/store. Something has got to give folks! Shrinking margins has resulted in unqualified employees, shoddy customer service and more disgruntled consumers.
What's the point of this diatribe? You had a plethora of bad experiences at Circuit City and continued to frequent their various establishments for whatever whimsical reason you had perceived to be sane and logical. Personally, after one really bad experience I either just up and boycott an establishment or simply refrain from doing business with them for a period of time until my anger has subsided. That of course depends upon my mood and the infraction at the time.
Damage to my property would have pretty much taken Circuit City, or any retailer, out of my list of possibilities for local shopping trips. Then again, I guess that is an unusual stance to take.
I have had one poor experience with Circuit City and to me it just pretty much indicates to me why they are going bankrupt. On December 6th I ran out with my family to do some Christmas shopping. My in-laws funded a shopping trip for their "kids" as they do every year, and this year I decided to purchase an Xbox 360. With my money I bought the Arcade system, a few games, and opted to take advantage of the still available Wireless Controller & Refurbished HDD combo for $40. According to the Circuit City site, the package was available at a store location 20 minutes away from where I was shopping. Instead of placing the product on order through the web on my phone I just decided to drive there and pick it up. Imagine my dismay when I arrived and there were no refurbished bundles available.
Two store employees, honestly in their mid to late teens and not appreciating working on a Saturday night, informed me that there were no more bundles available and it was "only sold on the day after Thanksgiving as a special Black Friday bundle and there are no more available for purchase here or on the web."
Fire up Opera Mini and show them
"Oh, the website is wrong - they don't have it"
I ask for a manager
10 minutes later
They verify inventory in another store - one that the site reported back to me as being OUT of inventory.
I arrive several hours later, luckily being able to purchase the bundle but not without a bit of frustration. The order was locked and the clerk refused to release the device to me and clear up the system after taking care of the customer. The merchandise was already paid for. That was it - it was done. But no, I waited another 12 minutes while another associate at another store called over to the first store I was at to confirm I purchased the device and to release it to me.
If I was any more upset at that point, I'm sure I would have been escorted out empty handed.
That will be my last purchase at Circuit City. *Ever.
*Until hell freezes over, or there is a special that simply cannot be missed.
@SkokieGuy: My purpose was solely to inform our friend Jim that his little BS note wasn't fooling anyone, just as the crocodile tears shed by the Auto Execs weren't at the congressional hearings. I am SICK and TIRED of these corporate big wigs repeatedly thinking they are pulling the wool over the public eyes with their empty promises while they count their bonuses and stock options
@opticnrv: Perhaps, but it's discussing a letter wherein a consumer schools a CEO on customer service, and... yeah.
Leaves much to be desired.
@Unit3000-21: Nailed it. At no point did he ask for anything. If he was trying to get some resolution his approach would be completely wrong. But he's not. He's flat out telling the CEO why his company sucks.
I like that the same asshats critiquing this are the ones who feel big and bold not showing their receipts at Walmart.
@SkokieGuy:
Actually YOU are directly responsible for any suckiness, real or perceived.
Yeah, I'm the one who filled the comment section with irrelevant questions about the victim's motives rather than a relevant discussion about the difference between a company doing something and a company paying lip service to doing something.
A. If the site sucks, why do YOU keep coming back?
Ah, yes, Love It Or Leave It. The sign of a firm grasp of logic if there ever was one.
C. Do you have anything to say that relates to the actually story?
No, and I didn't intend to leave a comment until I hit about the 10th one in a row blaming the victim.
D. Does you have the ability to make a coherent point without profanity?
Yes, but "Shut up" doesn't have the same impact does it? Well-placed profanity is not a sign of a weakness with the language.
You sir are a fucking douchebag.
I can only hope you're kidding, you fucking hypocrite.
In most cases I come here and I tend to back up the consumer, and in this case I still will to the degree that it sucks you got screwed. However in this instance Dave-o, you come out looking like an idiot. I don't care how angry you are at a corporation, writing an letter similar to the second one is completely uncalled for (the first one is even very borderline in a few instances). Jim took the time to respond to your email and used it as a motivator for change, to which your response was to turn around and spit vile right back in his face (in a poorly written manner no less). For someone as into Karma as you outlined in your first email, I have this sneaking suspicion you yourself are about due to get caught in the grill of a bus.
Although I've had some not so great experiences at CC, let me just say that the new CEO, Jim, has only been in position for a few months and is trying to correct the corporate culture there. He didn't fire the store personnel, the asshat Phil Schoonover did that a few years back. I agree that they need to crack the whip over their store staff as well as offer them more training in terms of courtesy, ettiquete, customer service and product knowledge. But Dave is a big jerk, so although your cause may be valid being a dickhead isn't helping you. But I get the feeling that Dave LIKES being a dickhead for no particular reason. Even more so if he has one.
I see where you are coming from, but most likely a letter isn't going to change much. You have to hit corporations in the wallet.
















David certainly loves commas and run on sentences.