20 Drugs That Probably Won't Kill You, But Potentially Could, Maybe
Don't freak out or anything, but the FDA is going to publish a list of medicines that could kill you. Or not. They're not really sure. Still, there is going to be a list, and if it shows a medicine that you're taking, then, um, yeah, sorry to hear that...
The first list is a bare-bones compilation naming 20 medications and the potential issue for each. It provides no indication of how widespread or serious the problems might be, leading some consumer advocates to question its usefulness, and prompting industry worries that skittish patients might stop taking a useful medication if they see it listed.
Food and Drug Administration officials said they are trying to walk a fine line in being more open to the public while avoiding needless scares. Congress, in a drug safety bill passed last year, ordered the agency to post quarterly listings of medications under investigation.
"My message to patients is this: Don't stop taking your medicine," said Dr. Janet Woodcock, who heads the FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research. "If your doctor has prescribed a drug that appears on this list, you should continue taking it unless your doctor advises you differently."
Google proficiency obviously doesn't confer a M.D., but that doesn't stop some consumers from freaking out at the first sign of trouble. With that in mind, the FDA issued its list with this crystal-clear caveat:
The appearance of a drug on this list does not mean that FDA has concluded that the drug has the listed risk, or that FDA has identified a causal relationship between the drug and the listed risk. It is on the list only because FDA has identified a potential safety issue.
Potential Signals of Serious Risks/New Safety Information Identified by the Adverse Event Reporting System (AERS) [FDA]
FDA posts its first online list of drugs under investigation for safety problems [AP]
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I'm not sure how much this relates but I'm all for doctors making the decisions on which medicines to try. I may be alone in this but I don't think drug manufacturers should be allowed to advertise their products to the general populace. I also don't think insurance companies should be allowed to have non-doctors decide what procedures are covered.
Yeah I REALLY could have gone though life w/o finding out about "Purple Glove Syndrome." It was curious enough to Google... OMFG...
Whenever I get my prescriptions it comes with 2 pages of information and warnings. Is this unique to MN, or is it everywhere? I always read through to see what the usual side effects are, the warnings, and what NOT to do.
(I'm a doctor, but not your doctor, there's no medical advice in this post. I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know if this disclaimer means anything)
Most of the drugs on this list are fairly uncommon. A lot of these things are only used in hospital settings, like desflurane (an inhaled anesthetic used during surgery).
I'm curious about the dosing confusion risks with Seroquel, Nitrostat, and Humulin R, because I don't think they are well publicized.
Name confusion issues like Carac and Kuric have always bothered me. One's a chemotherapy cream, the other's for athlete's foot.
AriellaFaerie: The sedation dose of Seroquel is usually 25-100 at night. The dose for someone with psychosis can be up to 750 a day. I'm guessing the dosage confusion may come from giving a psychosis dose to someone who is mildy anxious and unable to sleep.
@ReidFleming: I'm with you. I bet drug prices would fall if we totally banned direct-to-consumer marketing of prescription drugs. There is no reason it should be allowed.
@Wubbytoes: When Oxycontin came out, it was marketed as being safer and having less abuse risk than older opiods.
Purdue Pharm was convicted of fraud for it, although I don't think anybody served any jail time.
The past couple years, I've made it a habit to ask whether I truly needed a certain prescription and what the side effects are. I usually don't bother with any that's just "so you'll feel better" ... not having to pay $$$ for more pills makes me feel better automatically!
Wearing this last time I visited was a good reminder to the doc too.
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(Yes, I too rather have a little snot on my upper lip rather than seeing Elvis in my refrigerator.)
@mwshook:
Thank you.
Outside of Insulin (one the list), I suspect less than 1% of the population is taking or ever has taken any of the drugs on the list.
@The_IT_Crone: That is pretty standard. In fact, I'm on one of those drugs from the list, and in addition to the 2 pages I get from the pharmacy, I also get mailing from the pharmacy, paid for by the drug manufacturer.
I'm on one of those drugs. JOY.
So, heparin could cause anaphylactic-type reactions? Funny, I thought just about any drug which has never been taken by a patient before could cause allergic reactions.
And ivermectin and warfarin are the only drugs that could cause drug interaction problems? Hmm. My grandmother's doctors were quite surprised when I pointed out that they had her on metformin, digoxin, amiodarone, coumadin, metoprolol, Lipitor, a diuretic, Advil, Tylenol PM, AND aspirin, plus two or three others I can't remember. Lots of these don't play nice with each other, and every doctor started pointing fingers at all the other doctors.
And it's so nice to know that oxycodone is the only drug which might run the risk of "drug misuse, abuse and overdose." Guess I don't have to worry that my doctor keeps prescribing large doses of Vicodin for me.
IANAPharmD, but this list seems grossly incomplete to me.
@dragonfire81: Some parsley will kill you.
And don't get me started about water.
I guess this is one of those things where people have to use common sense. (We're doomed.)
@nsv:
"I guess this is one of those things where people have to use common sense. (We're doomed.)"
I'm all for a Darwinism in action right about now.
@dragonfire81: Water and parsley seems to be just fine as snacks for my rabbit.
The oxycodone struck me as odd too. Seriously, we haven't known that there's a risk of abuse and dependency for a while? Was it necessary to place on a list?
Actually, I think it's more necessary for the FDA to...oh I don't know...explain what each drug does, and who might take it? I searched the list for the one prescription drug I take, and it's not on there (I don't think) but how the heck am I supposed to know if it goes by multiple names?
@nsv:
I AM a PharmD. You cannot have a true (Type I) allergy to a substance the first time you take it, you need to develop antibodies to it. It's that second (or third, or fourth) exposure that will get you.
A lot of the ones on here about dose confusion are related to drugs that choose to express their amount in non-standard ways: Arginine in % rather than grams, U-500 insulin (which is 5x more concentrated than U-100, which is used 99.9999999% of the time), nitroglycerin (expressed in grains rather than milligram), etc. All could be easily avoided if the FDA would make everybody label their drugs in mg/gm and not Apothecary or other bizaare units of measure.
The purple glove syndrome w/ phenytoin is hilarious as the FDA made a big stink about this with IV promethazine about 2 years ago, only to realize at the last minute that it wasn't common after all and drop the whole damn thing.
Some of these are not news to anyone who is involved with med safety work - the OxyContin stuff, heparin, and suprane issues are documented. What's most interesting to me are the associations with the TNF alpha blockers and CA (they just expanded the warning on these to include increased incidence of fungal infections, and they're already known to increase pneumonias and cause re-activation of TB). The issues with Definity are also concerning, but too soon to tell what will come of it.
I find this stuff fascinating, guess I'm a huge nerd.
@mwshook: I'm curious about the dosing confusion risks with ... Humulin R, because I don't think they are well publicized.
i can tell you that the confusion with the insulin stems from the fact that this particular insulin is a U-500 insulin (most others are U-100; this one is 5 times as potent)
it is usually prescribed to people who are highly insulin resistant, so it is rather rare. If someone is used to taking U-100 insulin and winds up with a vial of U-500 (and are unaware of the switch), they can fall into hypoglycemia very quickly (they thought they were taking 5 units of insulin, but were actually taking 25)
@MBPharmD:
There was supposed to be a ;-) after the I am a pharmd bit. Trying to be funny, not trying to be a dick. My bad.
@MBPharmD: Could you develop an allergy to one drug, and then have an allergic reaction when you take a similar drug for the first time?
@IHaveAFreezeRay: Google the drug you take. It should be pretty easy to find the different names for it.
I really, really wish the FDA would take a better look at Ultram. Right now Ultram is touted to have no physical dependency issues, and that is flat-out bullsh*t. I was on 100mg of Ultram every 6 hours for five months, and when I quit taking them, I puked my guts out for four days and felt like hell. Not even a prescription for clonidine subsided the withdrawal.
I used to work for "undisclosed big pharma company X" in their "global command center" and I used to receive tons of calls daily about negative side effects of drugs that aren't listed in the packet that Walgreen's gives you with your Rx. The most scary one was when a 5 yr. old boy was hallucinating and having seizures from a child's anti-biotic.
@mwshook:
"Name confusion issues like Carac and Kuric have always bothered me. One's a chemotherapy cream, the other's for athlete's foot."
That's what I was going to mention! Is that really a fault of the drug or the people who administer it? If you take away the 'health risks' that are actually human error/abuse, that takes away 6 right there. Everything's fine!
@johnva: but banning direct-to-consumer pharma ads wouldn't stop all ads/promos to doctors & hospitals, and patients wouldn't have *any* information on what goes on outside of the exam room. I think the system now is terrible, but at least we get a glimpse of it. If I see certain drugs pushed hard on TV, mags, or online, I get the feeling that they're being pushed just as hard at the medical community. Keeps me suspicious, which is a sad but realistic way to approach medical care, imo.
I'm pointing my finger at a lot of conflicts of interests among FDA advisory committee members & researchers ([www.cspinet.org]). There is a lot of big money changing hands and very little of it gets noticed, but I'm sure it has a big impact on what kinds of data are produced and which drugs ultimately get approved.
The new, 'stricter' FDA guidelines on COI (from Aug 4) allow you to have up to $50,000 in personal financial interest from a company and still be seated on a panel to review their drugs. Not cool.
"The most scary one was when a 5 yr. old boy was hallucinating and having seizures from a child's anti-biotic."
Isn't it possible that the kid had, like, an infection that was causing these things?
Part of the problem is that people who take medications are sick. It's very hard to figure out which things are caused by the medication and which are just part of being sick. Adverse event reporting is notoriously difficult to interpret.
It takes a lot of data to figure out whether 1 in 10,000 people taking drugs for Obscure Condition X (OCX) are getting sweaty palms because of the medication or because sweaty palms is an unknown symptom of OCX or because, well, 1 in 10,000 healthy people have sweaty palms. Once you start asking people to report "anything unusual" they start reporting a lot of stuff.
That doesn't mean that there's nothing to worry about, though. :)
@oneandone: Banning DTC advertising would not eliminate all of people's information about drugs outside of their doctors' office. It would just eliminate the overtly BIASED source of information that advertising represents. We now have the Internet, etc where people can look up reliable information about drugs without needing advertisement.























The reality is we've had so many new drugs in the last 20 years that we have no real idea of what they interact with or their long-term side effects. Yes, we are all guinea pigs, but I sure hope nobody was ever under the delusion it was otherwise.