FNH Gun Blew Up In Owner's Hand Because He Used Reloaded Ammo

The makers of Five-seveN handguns finished their evaluation of the gun the blew up in an owner’s hand and have determined that it was due to his error and not theirs. Details, inside…

Initially, the owner, going by the handle “f3rr37″ speculated in an online forum that the gun had fired “out of battery,” which is when the weapon fires and the slide or bolt is not fully closed and all sorts of parts of the gun going flying in the wrong directions. After he sent the gun back, FNH found that the gun failed because the owner used “reloaded ammo,” bullets ammo that he packed himself rather than using factory issued ones. In this case, he packed the bullet with double the amount of necessary powder. The owner says he accepts these findings. Despite the maker’s initial lack of followthrough when f3rr37 tried to escalate the issue through normal channels, FNH eventually sent him a brand new gun free of charge after he sent the busted one back. The uproar f3rr37’s story created in online forums may have helped spur them to action quicker.

Lessons:

1) Don’t make and shoot your own bullets unless you really really really know what you’re doing
2) Don’t ignore your customers on the phone or you’ll have to end up doing your customer service online before a public audience.

Below, the official report by the manufacturer on why the gun failed:

DANGER CAUSED BY RELOADED AMMUNITION!

Subject: Five-seveN serial # 386102425

Date: 6-9-2008

The following conclusions are results from FNH USA’s evaluation of the Five-seveN serial # 386102425 sent in to our service facility after a failure using reloaded ammunition.

Upon examination of this pistol we were able to determine that it did not fire “out of battery” and the catastrophic failure exhibited in this example was clearly caused by excessive cartridge pressure generated by reloaded ammunition.

Our examination showed that the shoulder of the case was separated from the rest of the cartridge and it was left in place inside the chamber. The position of this piece of brass shows that the handgun was in full battery when the reloaded cartridge was fire and the excessive pressure occurred. Another indicator that confirmed our findings is the primer extruded back into the firing pin hole and a portion of the case head was stuck to the breech face. This was caused by brass flow back into the leaded chamber indicator hole.

Additionally there was serious damage to the slide assembly which is clear evidence of excessive pressure. The lower edge of the breech face was peeled away and the slide itself was deformed from the excessive pressure. The pressure that caused this damage exceeded OEM ammunition standards.

The FN ballistics laboratory was able to duplicate the catastrophic failure almost identically with 2x the load data provided by the consumer. In this test the shoulder of the cartridge was left in the chamber at the same position as #386102425, the slide was damaged in the exact same way as #386102425, and the cartridge case head seperated in the same manner with the brass flowing into the loaded chamber indicator hole.

The design of the Five-seveN pistol, being a recoil operated delayed blow back system, has key parameters that prevent an “out of battery” firing.

Our established testing data indicates the firing pin will not strike the primer of a cartridge after .1180 inch. of rearward slide travel. With the slide moved rearward .1540 – .1545 inch. (true out of battery limit), it is impossible for the firing pin to strike the primer, at this point the trigger lever does not actuate the lever of the firing pin safety. It was also noted in our examination that the firing pin safety was still fully functional on Five-seveN #386102425.

It is FNH USA’s finding that the catastrophic failure of Five-seveN #38610xxxx was due completely to excessive pressure caused by the reloaded ammunition and was not the result of an “out of battery” firing.

Please be aware that the owner’s manual for the Five-SeveN handgun clearly states on page 4 that FN Herstal declines any responsibility and invalidates any guarantee and liability claims for incidental or consequential damages (injuries, loss of property, commercial loss, lost of earnings and profits, …) resulting in whole ore partly from the use of reloaded ammunition.

If you have lost or misplaced your owners manual please contact our customer service department at 703-288-3500 x122 for a replacement.

Tommy Thacker
Product Manager
FNH USA, LLC.

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  1. 11hawkinst says:

    You would think that if you review guns, that you would know better than to reload used ammo.

    You would think, right?

  2. hills says:

    So for once, people who blamed the OP were right? :)

  3. Silversmok3 says:

    To f3rr37:

    That bloody hand was YOUR bad, sir.And well deserved based on the report.

  4. A.W.E.S.O.M.-O says:

    Wow. We really should have blamed the consumer.

  5. zentex says:

    Sooooo we *can* blame the consumer? Excellent!

    Seriously thou, just because you can buy a reloader for cheap doesn’t mean you should. I read the original thread and that guy was fully convinced it was NOT his fault…and yet…it was. That was a hell of a hot-load if it was 2x the limit!

    I buy new ammunition for everything I own (too lazy to reload). I suspect that I *may* have to start reloading in another 10 years for a few of my guns that are WWII-era…or I may just put them on the wall, who knows.

    I wonder if he owes them for the replacement FiveseveN?

  6. Applekid ┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) says:

    @11hawkinst: Ammo can get pretty expensive, and there’s nothing inherantly bad about reloading… IF YOU DO IT RIGHT. If he was a reviewer, maybe he got cavalier about doing his reloads and wasn’t paying attention to the grains of powder, or he mixed up batches, or whatever. In either case, guns/ammo + not paying attention = disaster, as always.

  7. outinthedark says:

    Is there a reason why only once the serial was x’ed out?

  8. krispykrink says:

    Anyone with half a head of grey matter knows that reloads in tupperwear guns are the leading cause of a KaBOOM.

  9. AstroPig7 says:

    Here we have the most basic warning regarding ammunition. If you pack your own cartridges, please ensure that you know what the hell you’re doing. Armed forces personnel will sometimes receive training in this, but otherwise, only professionals and those trained by them should attempt this.

  10. SharkD says:

    I’d just like to gloat by pointing out that I was the first to point the finger at his use of reloads, at least on Consumerist.

    [sprains shoulder while attempting to pat self on back]

  11. Nice call… reloading can be done right, but as with anything there is the opportunity for error. I think the guy lucked out with a relatively minor injury and the gun company did a nice investigative job.

  12. secretoftheeast says:

    Coming from someone who knows their guns, reloaded ammo is not necessarily a bad thing. Competition shooters (like those who do high accuracy, long distance shooting) reload their own ammo so they can give the highest quality possible. For example, the reloader can put in a precise amount of powder to aid in consistency between shots. I will say though that this guy is likely reloading to save on cash more than anything else.

    Reading the email, FN found that the round was mistakenly “double-charged” which meant that he screwed up by adding twice the amount of powder. He was obviously not attentive at his reloader. The majority of reloaded rounds do go out fine, you just need to pay attention while you are making them.

    In all, I would hesitate to say that one of the morals to this story is to never use reloaded ammo, but to ensure you can guarantee its quality (either by being attentive at your own work, or know the work of whoever did it).

  13. savvy999 says:

    Everyon in favor of letting the OP pack his own parachute, say “aye!”

  14. darksunfox says:

    I think that one of the issues is that with this particular type of firearm, reloading should be avoided. The pressures in the Five-seven cartridge are a lot higher than in, say, a .38 special or .45 ACP. There’s not as much margin for error with those pressures, and with a polymer gun, there’s just not a lot of material between the cartridge and your hand.

    I have shot some reloaded rounds my uncle made on the range before with a .30-06, worked great. But with semi-automatic handgun? I don’t know if I’d ever do it.

  15. mgy says:

    Ben, I know you don’t want us to do it anymore, but has a story ever been more deserving of an “lol” more than this one?

    However, in all seriousness, this only gives credence to the skeptics who, without warrant, berate OPs in every thread.

  16. joebobfunguy says:

    Who would have thought that making your own ammunition could go totally wrong? Maybe I should stop blow drying my hair and making toast in the bath, because you just never know.

  17. Uriel says:

    doesn’t know how to make his own bullets…pfft…

  18. incognit000 says:

    I’m not really all that surprised. This is just one of many stories you hear about gun owners harming themselves after making a mistake, since almost any mistake involving a gun is either lethal or very painful. It’s good to know that with a little prodding the manufacturer decided to investigate to make sure that the gun wasn’t defective (even going so far as to induce catastrophic failure in several test guns, Mythbusters style) and it’s also good to know that the customer is willing to face facts and realize that he placed too much powder in the cartridge.

    I, personally, only use ammunition purchased at the range, and it’s never repacked by me. That way if a gun ever blows up and I survive, the person responsible will be obvious and not me.

  19. Uriel says:

    stick to your zip guns if you’re going to do a half-assed job

  20. krom says:

    Lesson 3: Don’t simply post a story just because it sounds horrific.

    (The above is constructive advice, and shouldn’t violate Consumerist’s new anti-dissing-editors policy.)

  21. manevitch says:

    There’s nothing wrong with reloading ammo, if done wisely, correctly and diligently. It looks like the guy double-charged his loads – that is, threw powder twice into the same case. That’s one of those “correctly and diligently” items. I only use powders that take up more than 50% of the case capacity and visually check every case to ensure no double-charges.

    And for the record, I’ve had exactly 3 faulty rounds made by myself out of about 12,000 rounds made (I shoot a lot). I’ve also purchased about 10,000 rounds, and have found 60 or so faulty rounds from the manufacturer. So buying someone else’s product, as we learn every day on this website, is no guarantee of quality or safety.

  22. Grabraham says:

    @krom:

    I think you are off a bit though. The original article was about how the manufacturer failed to follow up as they had promised the consumer. “Five-seveN said they were sending out a pre-paid packing slip for the gun and would inspect it, destroy it, and give f3rr37 a “deep discount” on a new gun. A month later, none of these promises have materialized.”

    I think the original and this followup are well within what we should expect the Consumerist to post.

  23. ludwigk says:

    F3rr37 was claiming that the problem was an inherent design flaw in the product itself. FNH probably knew that what he was saying was untrue, but 1) since he was making the claim, which could have wide-sweeping consequences for all of that model that are distributed, and 2) because he was injured as a result, there could serious legal consequences.

    In such a case, people at every level were probably prohibited from talking with the individual in order to limit their liability/damage their case in any future legal proceedings. I mean, the guy’s hand was blown up by their gun!

    This guy went out the games blaming the company, talking about faulty product design and the cost of medical bills, and that will trigger FNH to instantly get their lawyers in a row and not move a muscle until they say so.

    When f3rr37 says “All I want is for them to admit fault and that their product has a design flaw”, that statement alone can have millions of dollars worth of consequences. It’s a terribly stupid demand to make, and one that any company will fight back in court. This is especially true for a product like a firearm, which undergoes extensive product testing and QA, and where a product fault can carry mortal consequences.

    FNH conducted additional testing and blew up several of their products to verify their findings. Laboratory testing takes time. It doesn’t surprise me at all that they took months to conclude.

  24. Bender says:

    I’m not going to knock him for not buying factory ammo, that can get very expensive. I’m also not going to knock the guy for messing up a reload. If you are not paying careful attention, a double charge can be very easy to do, especially on some of the cheaper “semi automated” reloading setups.

    On cheaper presses, the operator is responsible for advancing the cartridge after each oepration. A momentary distraction from a phone call or a needy child is all it takes to lose your focus.

    It would be interesting to see if FN makes him return the new gun.

  25. exkon says:

    For all his tech talk about how he “knows” guns and said it was a design flaw, he sure forgot to mention the fact that he used his own ammo with double th powder..

  26. coan_net says:

    So let me get this strait.

    This guy reloaded his ammo

    When he tried to fire it, the gun “exploded”

    At this point this guy does not even think his ammo might be the issue and escalates this story all over the internet and such – making the gun maker seem like they are making bad equipment.

    Much later, it finally comes out he was using reloaded ammo, and he accepts that as a reason.

    It was 100% the guys fault, and the gun maker has suffered from bad news stories – if I was the gun maker, I would be suing this person for all the negative stories about their product because of the guys stupidity.

  27. sykl0ps says:

    @coan_net: In his origional forum post he started off by blocking people saying he did a double-load, he posted: “I did not double charge this load, everything was well within specifications.”

    As with a lot of hobbies people get into: he thought himself an expert and when he blew himself up there’s no way he could of conceived it was his fault.

    my 2nd thought, could someone use a scale to weight their reloaded ammo to detect a problematic bullet?

  28. TeraGram says:

    Am I the only person who is bothered by the capital N at the end of the company name?

  29. newfenoix says:

    @outinthedark: Standard practice for privacy.

  30. Solidgun says:

    What “N” at the end of company name are you referring to?

    The information on “reloaded ammo” would have given better insight. 5.7x28mm ammo is difficult to reload like 40 cals as the jacket is frail. Lesson learned…..I wondered if they are going to take the gun back now.

    I haven’t had any issues with my FiveSeven and this story really scared me at first.

  31. TeraGram says:

    What “N” at the end of company name are you referring to?

    From the post above all these comments, we can find several examples:

    Lead sentence:
    The makers of Five-seveN handguns finished

    From the manufacturer’s response:

    Subject: Five-seveN serial # 386102425

    The following conclusions are results from FNH USA’s evaluation of the Five-seveN serial #

    The design of the Five-seveN pistol,

    It is FNH USA’s finding that the catastrophic failure of Five-seveN #38610xxxx

    Please be aware that the owner’s manual for the Five-SeveN handgun

  32. newfenoix says:

    IF you reload correctly you can save money by reloading. BUT NEVER NEVER NEVER use reloaded ammo in a home defense handgun. You open yourself up for a lawsuits. I carry a handgun EVERYDAY. Although I am no longer a cop, I still have a CCW permit and carry a 9mm or .45 everyday. Reloading is something that I don’t have time to do correctly right now so I don’t do it.

  33. WiglyWorm must cease and decist says:

    Double the amount of powder?

    Yeesh…

  34. newfenoix says:

    @Bender: That’s why you need to stick with Dillion.

  35. chenry says:

    @TeraGram: I imagine so, because the company’s name is Fabrique Nationale de Herstal (FNH) and doesn’t end with an N.

  36. Elvisisdead says:

    If anyone’s wondering, the price of one of these handguns at a larger retailer was around $990 as of this past Saturday. At that pricetag, FNH has a lot to protect.

  37. marsneedsrabbits says:

    FToriginalA: F3rr37 pledges, “Until they make this right, I will never buy another FN product again and will continue to share my experience with what happens when a FiveseveN fires out-of-battery.

    Using his own standard of conduct, he has an absolute obligation to go to every thread he posted on and to tell everyone that it was not the fault of the manufacturer, and that his weapon did not fire out-of-battery but in fact misfired because ammo that he had made incorrectly misfired.

    The manufacturer eventually went beyond any reasonable expectations on this, as they were in no way obligated to hand out a new firearm over this.

    Thanks for the follow up, editors. I often wonder about one story or another and how they played out. Good to see that this was resolved to the satisfaction of everyone.

  38. guns don’t kill people. monkeys kill people. if they have a gun.

  39. outinthedark says:

    @newfenoix: Yea but the serial is written out 5 other times in the letter..? Or am I not reading something correctly.

  40. moore850 says:

    you forgot:

    0. if you really know what you’re doing, you won’t try to make your own bullets in the first place.

  41. WEGGLES90 says:

    It’s odd that someone, as careless as he was, would be given another firearm. Especially since he aready injured him self with it…

  42. valtr0n says:

    Was it his fault? Yes. Most gun manufacturers do not warranty firearms that have been fired using reloaded ammo for this reason.

    On the other hand, I do think FNH’s design suffers. The handguns failure point isn’t quite safe. It seems to direct pressure in the event of a failure down and into the hand of the shooter. It doesn’t seem like a logical design.

    Many other handguns are designed with the potential for failure in mind. The FNH Five-seveN doesn’t appear to have been.

  43. Breach says:

    Sounds like FNH pwned him with their fancy science

  44. Perhaps it’s time for Consumerist to take on an ombudsman? The increasing volume of OP-was-in-the-wrong posts suggests such. I love this site, and believe it provides a valuable forum, but as it becomes polluted with erroneous reports (which credulous commenters are quick to support), its credibility is damaged. I know that the purpose of the original article was to address FNH’s lack of customer support, and not the actual equipment malfunction, but it is nonetheless a mistake to put the weight of the site behind a customer who is in the wrong, especially when the reporting is largely based upon the claims of this customer.

  45. gliscameria says:

    He’s lucky it was only minor damage to his hand! In Vietnam the US planted reloaded ammo that blew the recievers through peoples faces.

  46. gliscameria says:

    He’s lucky it was only minor damage to his hand! In Vietnam the US planted reloaded ammo that blew the reciever through people faces.

  47. gliscameria says:

    ^^ Sorry. Browser crashed!

  48. dveight says:

    @secretoftheeast: Competition shooters will load their own rounds, but I doubt that they use reloads.

    Lets get somethings straight here, there is a difference between loading your own rounds and reloading. Too often people are using the word reload improperly. I have always used the term reload (and it should be still used this way in my opinion) with the meaning that they are using spent cartridges, and reloading the bullet, gunpowder and a new primer.

    Therefore saying that competition shooters use reload in my opinion is incorrect. They load their own rounds, but I doubt they use reloads.

  49. xkevin108x says:

    The consumer didn’t actually deserve anything in this case. This is the equivalent of running your new Camry into a brick wall and Toyota giving you a new one.

  50. PølάrβǽЯ says:

    @TeraGram: Five-seveN is not the name of the company, but the name of the product and is probably trademarked that way. The company that makes the Five-seveN is Fabrique Nationale de Herstal.

  51. Hawk07 says:

    Lots of people regularly reload ammo and have no problems. I’m not sure what gave this guy the idea to double load the gunpowder, but obviously he just put a dent on the reloading scene.

  52. bbvk05 says:

    @TeraGram:

    Five-SeveN is used because the company is best known as “FN” in the US among gun owners. Capitalizing the N sort of connects it to the brand.

  53. jdjonsson says:

    This is why they always say “Don’t drink and reload.”

  54. SacraBos says:

    @11hawkinst: I had a neighbor that loaded a lot of his own ammo. Shotgun, rifle, pistol, anything. Never had a problem. But he also knew what he was doing.

  55. secretoftheeast says:

    @dveight: I’ve heard of it going both ways (reload vs loading). I did a bit of internet searching after your reply, and it does look like reloads are used in competition (though they are picky on the type of brass used for the casing). I’m not sure on how common that is though, so I may be mistaken.

  56. raskolnik says:

    I have to admit I enjoyed his original post where he said “I did not double charge this load, everything was well within specifications.”

    While I suppose I give FN props for replacing the weapon, I’m really not sure why they did. It was his mistake, his fault entirely.

  57. Shadowfire says:

    @valtr0n: Over the years, the Five-seveN has been a very reliable handgun. It is one of the preferred weapons of many secret service agents, and other government entities. However, it fires weird ammo (5.7), and idiots who don’t pay attention can make mistakes reloading. That’s all it really comes down to.

  58. heycorey says:

    Most reloaders will reuse their brass several times over. If the guy with the blowed-up hand loaded a double-charged round, it wouldn’t make any difference if he had used brand-spanking new brass. The pressures involved far exceeded allowable ratings.

  59. dragonvpm says:

    My dad taught me how to load and reload ammo when I was fairly young and I never had any problems when we went out to the shooting range or hunting. Loading your own ammo is easy and not unduly dangerous, but you do have to be careful.

    I’m inclined to wonder if the OP didn’t purposely overload his cartridges for extra oomph. I seem to recall that my father made a point of really focusing on how the benefit to loading your own ammo was the consistency you could achieve from round to round, but how some people couldn’t help and do the macho thing and add extra powder which could easily become a Bad Thing ™.

    Then again if it really was double loaded then it could have just been that he spaced or stopped and left a round in mid-load thus forgetting where he was when he went back. He probably shouldn’t have been so adamant that it was impossible that he cause the problem, but the company itself didn’t do as good a job as I would have expected in dealing with the issue in the first place.

    If someone brings forth a claim that your product is dangerous the first thing to do would be to snap up the alleged defective product and test the hell out of the materials and its construction before attempting to recreate the failure method using other methods (e.g. using double loaded ammo). Without lab testing of the damaged product, there’s no way to know if it is or isn’t safe and that’s just bad business.

    Oh, for all the folks making ill informed comments about loading your own ammunition, might I suggest some light reading ([hunting.about.com]) on the matter.

  60. EBone says:

    @valtr0n: Better than focusing the pressure of a failure back into the face of the shooter.

  61. darksunfox says:

    @valtr0n: If you look at the detailed pictures on the original post, if you look at what it did to his hand, it seems minimal compared to the damage to the slide and rest of the frame. And guns of this type will always blow down the magazine rack, which it properly did (as evidenced by the fact he wasn’t missing fingers). In the end, if there is too much of an explosive material into your cartridge, you pretty much do just have a mini-bomb in your hands.

  62. Elvisisdead says:

    @Hawk07: I’ve got a general idea. There are only two ways to increase the impact of a fired round. 1) Increase the velocity while the mass of the projectile stays constant (more powder, same round). 2) Increase the mass of the round while the velocity stays constant (heavier bullet AND more powder).

    He chose the former. Much easier for a handloader to use more powder on a relatively scarce round like this. There may not be a heavier bullet made. Probably read on teh internets that it was safe. Now more people can read that it’s not.

  63. cosby says:

    Shouldn’t this be tagged bad consumer since he went out of his way to blame them for his mistake?

    Anyway a few of us pointed out that he voided the warranty when he shot some reloades through the weapon and said chances are he screwed up. Not susprised that it turned out we were right. I’ve seen a few people destory guns using bad reloads.

    I personaly stay away from reloads when ever possible. I know a few friends that reload some weird rounds they have but pretty much everyone elce fires new ammo. Better to be safe.

  64. nsv says:

    Kudos to FNH for handling this issue with class, once they finally addressed it. They didn’t have to replace the gun, and could have gone after him for falsely blaming them for the problem. This way they end up looking like the good guys. I don’t know if this was a calculated move or SOP, but they handled it well.

  65. dangermike says:

    @11hawkinst: “Used ammo” is not really the way to look at it. The only part reused is the brass casing. The primer is spent, the powder burns off, and the bullet itself is expelled (and if recovered, really only good for melting, and then only if it’s not jacketed or cored with other metals like copper, steel, zinc, tungsten, etc). The fact is, spent brass, once properly cleaned, lubed, and resized, is often better in many respect, especially when fired from the same gun, as it gets formed to an actual breach rather than just an engineer’s drawing. It will often seat more fully into the breach and cycle more smoothly than new brass. There are also some metalurgical properties that have to with ductility and hardening that are a bit beyond the scope of my knowledge. Of course, there is a limit to this, and the high pressure cycles of firing and then resizing brass will eventually cause the case to break during firing, which is a pain because what’s left in the gun is quite effectively seated in the breach. A good reloader will keep track of the number of firings and watch for signs of damage to older cases. And as long as the powder charge is reasonably conservative, brass can last a surprisingly long time.

  66. dangermike says:

    @Applekid: Based on the study by FN, it sounds like he double charged a case. If your setup and load characteristics don’t have some sort of safeguard built in (liek marking filled cases, shaking each one to listen for headspace after seating the bullet, using powders that are obviously visible if overcharged, marking filled cases, moving filled cases from one tray to another as part of the process, etc.), it can be very easy to do.

    Reloading isn’t inherently dangerous or unwise as many here have suggested. It’s like any DIY kind of project. If you’re not careful, you can do far more harm than good, and in extreme cases, hurt yourself or others around you by taking negligent action. Not to say that the OP is negligent, just that the evidence points to an easily avoidable rookie mistake.

  67. M3wThr33 says:

    You ejected the first bullet by hand, didn’t you? I see what you were trying to do, but testing a technique you’ve only heard about in the middle of battle wasn’t very smart. You were asking to have your gun jam on you. Besides, I don’t think you’re cut out for an automatic in the first place. You tend to twist your elbow to absorb the recoil. That’s more of a revolver technique.

  68. dangermike says:

    @krispykrink: I don’t know why anyone would want an autoloader pistol with a shouldered case. Despite the age-old argument of penetration vs. deformation (in which my own belief is that big, slow slugs are always preferable), the problems that such configurations run into with cycling is enough to drive me away. And then to reload… That’s just bad mojo. It’s already been said quite a few times here and other places that an already high pressure cartridge like that stupid little 5.7×28 doesn’t lend much forgiveness to the reloader.

  69. krispykrink says:

    @dangermike: Ok, and you’re addressing this to me why?

    In any case, I agree. I prefer big and slow. That’s why my EDC CCW is a 1911 .45ACP.

  70. chartrule says:

    the 2 types of 5.7mm ammunition that’s available to the public sells at approximately $19.00 for 50 bullets – there are other types of ammunition available but are restricted to military and law enforcement because they are armor piercing

    to me it just doesn’t make sense to me to reload a $0.38 bullet

  71. dangermike says:

    @krispykrink: just adding to the sentiment toward plastic/tupperware. I duppose in retrospect, I got a bit tangential. =D

  72. x23 says:

    @bbvk05: “Five-SeveN is used because the company is best known as “FN” in the US among gun owners. Capitalizing the N sort of connects it to the brand.”

    exactly. i had actually (surprisingly) never even heard of the Five-seveN until i read the previous article… but when i saw the name in the title i was like ‘hmm… must be an FN of some sort…’ then looked it up. to do some learnin’.

  73. bbvk05 says:

    @x23:

    They also had the Forty-Nine in the late ninety’s. Totally sucked.

  74. jglessner says:

    As someone that has reloaded ammo (and plenty of it too), I have fired thousands of reloaded rounds out of a “tupperware” gun (glock’s in this case), and have never once had an issue.

    However, at the local indoor range, I do remember years ago some monkey fired a double charged round (the issue in the OP here) in a Colt Python (this is a REALLY big revolver, made of steel), which he had rented from the range. I’m going to start by saying that this man used up all the luck he will ever have on the first round.

    Literally the round blew the top half off of the frame AND the cylinder, which struck the bulletproof glass directly behind him (judging by the angles of where he was standing missing his head by mere millimeters) hard enough that it appeared that someone had fired a .50AE into it (that is a handgun load for the non gunners out there, and a BIG one at that).

    It was almost funny to see how fast most of the people in the store area of the building drew from concealment (or from open carry in the employee’s cases) when it happened, because for a few moments it appeared that the guy had fired the gun into the window.

    The guy that did the reloading said that after examining the rest of the ammo that he had with him he realized that he had set the powder measure to double what it should have been, and the entire box was double charged.

    To this day the gun is displayed there above the handgun counter as a warning about why they do not allow using reloaded ammo in rental guns.