Do You Have Any Naked Pictures Of Your Mother? The TSA Does

The TSA recently announced that airport security scanners which can see under clothing are being installed at 10 U.S. airports, according to the AFP. Travelers will enter glass booths while a 3-dimensional full-body image is rendered using “millimeter waves.” Because the image gives a clear representation of travelers’ bodies and genitalia, it has some people concerned about their privacy. More, inside…

The article says,

While it allows the security screeners — looking at the images in a separate room — to clearly see the passenger’s sexual organs as well as other details of their bodies, the passenger’s face is blurred, TSA said in a statement on its website.

The scan only takes seconds and is to replace the physical pat-downs of people that is currently widespread in airports.

TSA began introducing the body scanners in airports in April, first in the Phoenix, Arizona terminal.

The installation is picking up this month, with machines in place or planned for airports in Washington (Reagan National and Baltimore-Washington International), Dallas, Las Vegas, Albuquerque, Miami and Detroit.

But the new machines have provoked worries among passengers and rights activists.

“People have no idea how graphic the images are,” Barry Steinhardt, director of the technology and liberty program at the American Civil Liberties Union, told AFP.

The ACLU said in a statement that passengers expecting privacy underneath their clothing “should not be required to display highly personal details of their bodies such as evidence of mastectomies, colostomy appliances, penile implants, catheter tubes and the size of their breasts or genitals as a pre-requisite to boarding a plane.”

Besides masking their faces, the TSA says on its website, the images made “will not be printed stored or transmitted.”

“Once the transportation security officer has viewed the image and resolved anomalies, the image is erased from the screen permanently. The officer is unable to print, export, store or transmit the image.”

Lara Uselding, a TSA spokeswoman, added that passengers are not obliged to accept the new machines.

“The passengers can choose between the body imaging and the pat-down,” she told AFP.

Even if we trust the TSA to blur the faces of travelers and properly dispose of the naked images, and we don’t, we believe the TSA has reached yet another milestone in violating our privacy. We appreciate the fact that the TSA is allowing us to choose between the full-body-scan and a pat-down, as if giving us some choice absolves them from any criticism. So which would you prefer, being groped by the TSA or letting them take your naked picture?

Scanners that see through clothing installed in US airports [AFP] (Thanks to Bladefist!)
(Photo: Getty)

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  1. B says:

    I’d rather they let me bring my water bottle on the plane and keep my shoes on during the scan. That wasn’t one of the choices, though, was it?

  2. damnit Jay, I was just about settled in and comfy for the day ahead and then I read this headline. you definitely blew that plan up. ass

    =)

  3. fluiddruid says:

    I take some solace in the fact that my naked body will horrify the TSA.

  4. surgesilk says:

    Can’t I have both?

    —The Exhibitionist

  5. MPHinPgh says:

    How long do you think it will take before those image compilations start showing up on YouTube (with appropriate music, of course)?

  6. tedyc03 says:

    If I write “Fuck You, TSA Asshat” on my chest in sharpie, will they see that on the scanner?

  7. deeness says:

    Currently TSA staff can’t seem to consistently agree on what is and isn’t allowed in carry-on luggage. I do not doubt there will be similar confusion about passengers’ “choice” of a pat-down or the scan.

  8. m1k3g says:

    “So which would you prefer, being groped by the TSA or letting them take your naked picture?”

    Neither. I prefer to not fly. period.

  9. Bladefist says:

    They did some quick polling on the issue, and I can’t believe this, but most people said it wasn’t a big deal. Excuse me? It’s definitely a big deal. The excuse that the TSA can’t save the image, or that you’ll never see them again, is a shoddy one.

  10. Saboth says:

    If we can get hot women and guys doing the patdowns, I will call it even stevens. (Only if the appropriate opposite sex does the pat-down).

  11. mantari says:

    Weasel words? When you’re hiding the truth, you love to use them. Did you catch the weasel words in these quotes?

    “the image is erased from the screen permanently.”

    The image is erased permanently… FROM THE SCREEN. Not from the hard drive. There is a very clear distinction there, and they’re making it.

    The officer is unable to print, export, store or transmit the image.”

    The OFFICER who is operating the device is unable to do those things. But that does not mean that the software itself isn’t designed to do one or any number of those things. They didn’t deny that the technology is capable of doing those things. Rather, they deny that those features are under direct control of the officer.

    Further, if the NSA or FBI or some other agency (outside of the TSA) wanted to collect these records in the name of some terrorism operation, there would be little if nothing to stop them.

  12. theblackdog says:

    Onoez, they’ll see my Prince Albert!

    BFD, I don’t think anyone wants to see most airline travelers naked.

  13. Anyone else now unable to get the Electric Six song, ‘Naked Pictures of your Mother, out of their head?

  14. swags says:

    Will not anyone think of the children?

    Seriously, what option do they have? Somehow neither of these seems appropriate, at least not for anyone outside of NAMBLA.

  15. Bladefist says:

    @mantari: Exactly. Lets say you take a gun, or a knife in with you. The TSA sees it. How are they going to prosecute you? They need the stored images.

  16. ThunderRoad says:

    After you’ve seen so many grandma boobies, they just become boring.

  17. This is a perfect example of how every day there is a new reason to not fly.

    I was reading the comments on Fark.com about this article, and here is my favorite comment:

    bahknee: PS – The terrorists have won. Not only are we terrified, we are completely stripping OURSELVES of any and all privacy.

    /I’d move, but the husband says no.
    //btw, how long has our “threat level” been orange?

    QFT

  18. HIV 2 Elway says:

    Nothing says sexy like a pregnant chick with a glass of wine and a smoke.

  19. freshyill says:

    Frankly, I don’t care. If they can do this instead of taking me take everything out of my pockets, take off my shoes and belt, and yell at me like I’m as dumb as they are, I’m all for it.

  20. Jones91 says:

    For every security people so desperately ask for, you give up freedom and to reply to about 3 or 4 people, yes the terrorists have won (agreeing with heavylee-again).

    @heavylee-again: Yea, to be honest in or within 10 years I’ll most likely be moving to another country, i’m not sure, I love America a lot but its becoming disturbing. Ever read 1984? thats America within the next 100 years. European countries are already heading that way a little more than us.

  21. Bladefist says:

    @Jones91: Where would you move? Most other 1st world countries are upping security. They might not be to this point yet, but they will be.

  22. opsomath says:

    Yeah…this will never, of course, be abused by bored moonlighting security personnel.

  23. swags says:

    @freshyill: Whatever makes you think all that will change?

  24. @HIV 2 Elway: Nothing says sexy like a pregnant chick with a glass of wine and a smoke.

    Actually, attractive women who are pregnant are very sexy to me. Minus the wine and smoke, I like the pic above.

  25. amodlin says:

    @Jones91: Good god. I can’t go through a day without seeing a comment comparing the USA to 1984. Have you even READ the book? Our situation may not be ideal but let’s not exaggerate things here. We haven’t quite gotten to you know, that whole “boot stamping on a human face – forever” stage.

  26. teapartys_over says:

    Yeah and how long before we find out that “millimeter waves” give you cancer?

  27. HIV 2 Elway says:

    @heavylee-again: Yeah, I was referring to the sexiness of a woman with complete disregard for the health of her unborn baby. Not so much.

  28. Crrusherr says:

    i choose whatever one is quicker, or a pat down if the TSA employee is hot

  29. calpchen says:

    Sweet! How do I sign up to be a TSA guy?

  30. JiminyChristmas says:

    Hey, if the scan is a substitute for the cavity search it’s a win for airline passengers.

  31. Motherfirefly says:

    Are they going to have two different people to look at the scans? Each for the respective gender?

  32. Carl3000 says:

    “Currently TSA staff can’t seem to consistently agree on what is and isn’t allowed in carry-on luggage. I do not doubt there will be similar confusion about passengers’ “choice” of a pat-down or the scan.”

    Yup, I hear that.

  33. Dasmurius says:

    It’s just another sign that the revolution is approaching. Wolverines!

  34. battra92 says:

    Somehow I have a feeling if it’s a woman doing the scanning when I walk through they will probably ask me out. ;)

    Seriously, this is yet another reason I don’t fly.

  35. Bladefist says:

    Just because the TSA people can’t save the picture themselves, doesn’t mean they cant pull out their camera phone and capture the screen real quick

  36. ninabi says:

    Scissors, aluminum foil, glue. I will cut out the tinfoil letters “NSFW” and place them on the appropriate body parts before I head to the airport.

  37. VG10 says:

    Simple solution. Stop flying. Go to airports where they are not doing this. This is not acceptable.

  38. Juggernaut says:

    Industrial Society and Its Future begins with Kaczynski’s assertion that “the Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.” The first sections of the text are devoted to psychological analyses of various groups-primarily leftists and scientists-and of the psychological consequences for the individual of life within the “industrial-technological system.” The later sections speculate about the future evolution of this system, argue that it will inevitably lead to the end of human freedom, call for a “revolution against technology,” and attempt to indicate how that might be accomplished.

    /just a thought

  39. Ihaveasmartpuppy says:

    Yet another reason why I’ve given up flying.

  40. MayorBee says:

    “While it allows the security screeners – looking at the images in a separate room…”

    Damn, and I was all ready to wink at the unlucky guy (or gal) that had to look at my moobs!

  41. Gokuhouse says:

    @Ihaveasmartpuppy: Agreed…You stole my line. :)

  42. Parting says:

    But can take a photo of what’s on the screen? And what are consequences for health? Is it like x-ray?

  43. Rectilinear Propagation says:

    @deeness: They will probably insist on doing both.
    @m1k3g: I’m with you. I wouldn’t have believed it possible but they’ve actually given me a reason not to fly that’s more convincing than the fact that the plane is thousands of feet in the air.

  44. Parting says:

    @Juggernaut: It’s not like you would like to live on a farm, with no shower. Technology gives a lot. Just don’t abuse it, like everything else in life.

    And if a person hates technology that much, move to some remote location. That’s easy, I had a teacher with a house in the middle of nowhere, no water, no electricity. He actually enjoyed living like this. I would hate that.

  45. pete says:

    Holy shit, I didn’t even think of kids until now.
    This is serious people – you really want a TSA pervert seeing your children naked?

    I am so, so, so very upset by this.

  46. rbaldwin says:

    I agree, stop flying. Its an outrageous invasion of privacy. What about children? Doesn’t this classify as child pornography?

  47. Parting says:

    @MPHinPgh: Until the moment Britney Spears or Paris Hilton goes through the scanner ;)

  48. SportsCentre says:

    [www.theage.com.au]
    Sexy? (and possibly NSFW)

  49. WiglyWorm must cease and decist says:

    The terrorists are winning.

  50. MayorBee says:

    @Victo: I’m sorry, but there hasn’t been a computer built that can stand the raw, unadulterated nude form of Paris or the Britters yet. They’d explode in disgust. Or discover a new form of life, then explode.

  51. IrisMR says:

    If we write up an obscene insult towards these scavengers on our back, would they see it?

  52. AshleyKeen says:

    We’re all missing the point, I think the real question here is, when will they start adding a “keep your nekkid pictures off the web surcharge” do to rising gas prices?

  53. Angryrider says:

    Hey man, the TSA going laugh at how small our wieners are. But wait, can we brag and boast about the size of a country where most men have small ones, compared to one with big ones?

  54. Angryrider says:

    @Angryrider: Population I mean.

  55. MonkeyMonk says:

    I don’t really care. In fact, I should probably let you all know that I’m naked right now.

  56. mantari says:

    @SportsCentre: You can bet that is a very low resolution copy. Looks like JPEG compression is also quite high. Perhaps even a photograph of a screen.

  57. moore850 says:

    I bet a million zillion dollars, that within 24 hours of this going online, there are at least a few adult sites that spring up with at least “supposed” pictures using a millimeter wave scanner… and probably a good percentage of those pics would be from the real scanners and not just faked by the site.

  58. Phreggs says:

    Seems like i’ll be using the train instead of flying now then.

    This shit is just crazy now..

  59. katylostherart says:

    right, and i now i’m not flying unless i have to leave the country.

    fuck that.

  60. IrisMR says:

    You know, I surely wonder if there isn’t a way to sue them if they use this on you. I mean, this is starting to be WAY WAY WAY too much.

  61. bukz68 says:

    What are you people afraid of? The security of these things shouldn’t be an issue. This is the country that made those electronic voting machines that no one could hack right? Right???!

  62. synergy says:

    First off, this is a violation be it of an adult or a minor.

    And even if I actually believed this is appropriate, there are the health questions. What kind of scan is this? What about business people who travel a lot? Sure, they can always choose “pat down” but even then what the hell? Everyone is being treated like a prisoner.

  63. donopolis says:

    “Looking at the images in a separate room – to clearly see the passenger’s sexual organs as well as other details of their bodies”

    Anyone else imagining a box of tissues close at hand and a mop up @ shift change…?

    Donopolis

  64. misteral says:

    I question how the images would never be stored or otherwise? In the event that “something” is caught – wouldn’t the TSA / screener / whatever need some sort of “evidence”?

    I mean… the CCTV film at the grocery store is recycled, but if they get robbed you better believe that tape is being removed from circulation.

  65. misteral says:

    @SportsCentre: I’m not sure what to make of that picture… but it looks like a well-endowed tranny (not that I know what one would look like)

  66. mgy says:

    @donopolis: Well, I wasn’t imagining it. But now I am.

    /shudders

  67. I’ma try the old cucumber in the trousers rocker trick with this and see if I can pick some hot TSA ladies after the security gate.

  68. katylostherart says:

    @Bladefist: so the images are stored in case of prosecution, but if the faces are blurred they cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is the passenger they say it is without some sort of other identification tagging along. can’t see the faces my ass, then what’s the point? you have evidence of a weapon but can’t link it to the actual passenger in court.

  69. SacraBos says:

    If it’s on the screen, it can be captured, saved, and printed. Much like music and movies can be copied and pirated if it can be seen and heard. How long until some TSA dude with a cell-phone camera starts posting naked passenger pictures on airport-xray.com?

  70. katylostherart says:

    @donopolis: i can’t wait for the sexual harassment lawsuits too. cuz honestly, we know the tsa is made up of people who filled in a job application off the street and barely went through any sort of training. just wait til every girl with seemingly nice tits gets pulled aside.

    and what about children? kids get pat downs and searches too, they gutted some girl’s teddy bear. and it doesn’t matter that they’re offering the choice now because they probably are doing that just so they can phase out pat downs all together in favor of this.

    not ok.

  71. SacraBos says:

    @Jones91: Which country would that be? Many fo them have 1984 now, like Britain with cameras on nearly every street corner.

  72. B1663R says:

    FOR ALL THE AMERICANS LOOKING TO DEFECT: Welcome to Canada!

    we offer:
    - FREE healtcare
    - LOW unemployment
    - CRAZY ass laws that you are accustom to

    Act now while your dollar is PAR!!!!

  73. Jones91 says:

    @amodlin: Yes, actually I have read 1984, a couple of times. I’m not comparing USA to 1984, I said that within the next 100 years we are going to be like that, its completely unavoidable. Well, not entirely like 1984, some things i could never see happening in real life but still.

    @Bladefist: and you are right, all 1st world countries are upping security, to be honest, I could not care much less about ‘security breaching freedoms’ because it is going to happen eventually to the point where its just insane and to be honest I’d most likely rather be in USA and having freedoms taken away than another country, just using as example.

  74. Nicholeigh says:

    Wow, that does it. I had been reluctant to fly before this now I’m not flying anymore.

  75. Jones91 says:

    @B1663R: also included are insane taxes! woo! lets go to Canada!

  76. thecodingeye says:

    @tedyc03: Unfortunatly, No

    @MPHinPgh: That is a concern. The article said that they couldn’t export or save the images, but you still could take a picture of the screen with a camera.

  77. dorkins says:

    I thought they already do this in Old Europe. There’s cameras all over those cities, but, you know, it’s OK because they’re so … sophisticated and stuff.

    The chance that our privacy may be invaded is too important! Better to let an airplane be blown up … to embarrass Bush! The sacrifice is worth it, right?

    I mean, I just talked to Harry Reid, and he’s lamenting how difficult it has been to make things easier for another attack on US soil … not that he wants Americans to die, mind you, but, you know … to embarrass Bush.

  78. dorkins says:

    Actually, let’s go to Sweden. 10-20% of the people there are on “sick” leave at a whopping 80% of pay … one guy relates how his pal was on sick leave for 6 months *because his girlfriend left him* and thus was “disabled” …

  79. Illiterati says:

    @Crrusherr: “Hot TSA worker” is not registering in my brain. I’ve never seen anything resembling this mythic creature. That said, I better be going somewhere really awesome (and for free) before I let another TSA worker either pat me down or take my naked picture before I board a flight to some unsexy place like Cleveland.

  80. TropicalParadise says:

    This really bothers me, and I’m not a prude, fleshbot is my next stop.

    I just don’t like it. What sane person gets a job where the description is ‘look at naked people all day’ and ISN’T a pervert? Of course they are going to save the pictures, because in the event of an attack, they would want to go through that and see if they missed anything.

    Frankly I don’t see how this is going to be effective, there hasn’t been any danger in a long time. How are they going to blur out the faces? Everyone is at a different height, at a orientation, they won’t all walk straight down the middle.

    I don’t WANT to be naked on the internet, and there is a 100% chance that some of the photos will go online. If I was GOING to be naked on the internet, I’d want it to at least be flattering!!

  81. Applekid ┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) says:

    @rbaldwin: Hmmm… the conflict between the War on Terror and the War on Pedophiles. Interesting. I’d like to see War on Violent Video Games added to this, too.

  82. NotATool says:

    So what are these “millimeter waves”? Weasel words for microwaves, eh? Good thing we Americans don’t know much about that new-fangled Metric System.

    “Sir, please step into the booth so we can scan you with our microwave imaging system. Or, if you prefer, load yourself into a plastic bin and ride through the X-Ray machine.”

  83. katylostherart says:

    @TropicalParadise: i look at naked people a good part of my time as part of my job description, although they are hired to be naked, and i’m not a perv and this still skeeves me out.

    doctors also look at naked people.

    and artists/art teachers for figure study classes.

  84. arniec says:

    When is it just going to be that we enter a room, strip naked, are given a hospital gown and paper footies, and that is all we’re allowed to carry onto the airplane?

  85. katylostherart says:

    @SacraBos: i’ll take the security camera with my clothes on thanks. i’d even volunteer to go through in a freaking unitard, but what my nani looks like sans undies is not something i would want to share under any circumstances with someone other than my doctor or a lover.

  86. onesong says:

    you just KNOW that some pervert is going to get caught masturbating to a group of hot college girls going on spring break.
    @katylostherart: i understand a lot of folks (including doctors) look at naked bodies on a daily basis. however, a trained specialist checking for disease clinically and an untrained teenager looking for concealed are two totally different stories.

  87. Hawkins says:

    Another strong argument for driving instead of flying.

    For me, if it’s less than a five-hour drive, I’m driving. And I’m taking a big-ass bottle of water into the car with me!

  88. flamincheney says:

    Under the current rules how many American planes have been hi-jacked since 9/11? ZERO. How is taking naked images of “free” American travelers going to improve on this number? Well, you know, unless there were other motives- a la most other Patriot Act, NSA, TSA bullshit tactics supposedly done under the guise of security.

    Face it terrorism will exist forever. There is no way to stop a rogue individual or group from doing what they want to do. The odds of death through terrorism was infinitely small and do not warrant the massive amounts of money being thrown at the problem or the compromises of human freedoms/liberties associated with it.

    Enough is enough.

    I still feel my best solution would be to have cameras mounted on my persons with a t-shirt stating that my person is under 24/7 surveillance. If they can film me I will film them. Too bad I don’t have a nudie-wave machine though.

  89. Ya know, take away the wine and cig, and that picture is pretty hot.

  90. InThrees says:

    I do not believe for one moment that there is no way to make a permanent copy of an image obtained via this scanner.

    If someone actually DOES have a weapon or contraband, the image would be evidence, and there is no way the TSA would lose out on that.

    Plus it’s creepy as hell, does no good, and just generally steepens the incline on this slippery slope, so of course there is a way for these images to wind up on a Geek Squad flash drive.

  91. silentluciditi says:

    Our county courthouse already has one of these. There’s no notice as to what it does differently, just a nice little sign proclaiming that it does not use X-rays. When it was installed the media covered it well, and it was actually heralded since it had the ability to speed up security wait times (and believe me, it did, and it’s a lot nicer when I don’t get pulled aside to be wnaded due to an underwire bra). Faster security wait times are good things. And for the love of god, they already get to see the lovely stuff I pack when I travel, I’m more mortified of the TSA emplyee who neatly (and better) re-packed my bag at Christmas with my very personal items in there than by having some screener see my body. We’ve already lost all personal privacy at the airport as is, so what’s the argument here?

  92. GF_AdventureGrl says:

    I almost feel slightly sorry for the TSA workers that’ll have to do this in America’s fattest cities.

  93. Ein2015 says:

    @tedyc03: AMAZING IDEA. I gotta do it!

    I remember a story about a woman who had to take out her nips piercings (yes I KNOW it’s because of the scanner, etc etc), and another about a child’s feeding tube who was UNsterilized by TSA even though it was in a completely clear bag, etc. So I really wonder how much this body scanner will enable the TSA to start questioning you even further about things that have NOTHING to do with security.

    Fuck security theater!

  94. @Bladefist: EXACTLY!

    It’s hard to believe that all of the screeners would resist the temptation to show the other guys the “perfect 10″ that showed up on their screen that day. Considering how easy a camera phone makes that task, it’s obvious that they’d use it. And who wants to bet they won’t use this same technology to keep the phones/cameras out of the “naughty X-ray screening room”? ;)

  95. RedSonSuperDave says:

    @amodlin: The point is not so much that we ARE NOW exactly like 1984. The point is that we are becoming more and more like the society depicted in the book.

    I think we need a “1984 Prevention Law”. Every Congressman should be given a copy of 1984, required to read it, and required to take an oath that should any bill come before them that would make our society more like the one in the book, they will do everything in their power to stop it.

  96. superlayne says:

    This gives me so many squick vibes. I’m honestly disgusted by the idea of them subjecting children to this. Not that many children travel, sure, but who is to say a clever pedophile wouldn’t mind slogging through grown up nudity to get a few gems. This is inappropriate all around. At least with a pat down, you see you’re dealing with, and you would KNOW it is someone of your own gender, making it a lot less…uncomfortable? Nasty?

    If, Xenu help me, I ever have to fly, and they try to stick me in a nudey-box, I will just LEAVE, expensive ticket and all behind.

  97. uncle_fluffy says:

    I was scanned by one of these at an airport in europe. It was quick and easy, I didn’t have to remove any articles of clothing, and the person who was reviewing the scan was doing so elsewhere in the airport, so I found it to be pretty reasonable. Step in, step out, then the call comes on the radio to let you through. I’ll admit the creepy factor is a bit high, but whatever. Nobody really wants to see me naked anyway.

  98. dustincimino says:

    @Bladefist: They dont need to store the images they could use the TSA agents word for it. Kind of like when you get caught speeding the cop doesnt have to prove you were speeding the radar caught you.

  99. dustincimino says:

    I also believe the room where pictures will be shown will be high security so a new guy couldnt work there and Im sure there will be no cellphones or cameras allowed in the room.

  100. dustincimino says:

    @synergy: Alright well lets stop everything TSA does and just let people fly on planes with whatever they want and when a terrorist tries to hijack your plane it wont really matter. I rather get a picture taken of me naked by some guy/girl who will never see me and not have the plane hijacked or blown up. If you dont like what the TSA is doing stop flying or stop bitching.

  101. donopolis says:

    @silentluciditi:

    Yes, oh so much better that they get to see all the yummy bits instead of seeing the strips of fabric we place over our yummy bits.

    What’s the argument? Are you kidding me?
    I don’t trust these skeegs to keep our skyways any safer, I don’t trust them not to abuse the powers they have already been handed…and I certainly don’t trust them not abuse unilateral access to nude images…Sure they don’t save them…sure they fuzz the faces…Because they have shown so much care for our needs and feelings so far.

    D-

  102. Ragman says:

    They don’t need to store the image. They just search you and find the weapon after seeing something suspicious on the screen.

  103. donopolis says:

    @dustincimino:
    If you could explain to me how the war on fluids being conducted by the TSA is making us safer, that would help your argument.

    And this idea of “if you don’t like it stop flying or shut-up” seems a little harsh…
    is it really that hard to understand that in a free society we prefer to be treated as if we have done nothing wrong. Your example of extremes…”Let people on with whatever they want” I don’t think anyone is proposing that…you’re just being silly.

    Don

  104. Japheaux says:

    I used to ask, “Why me?” when I’d see the “SSSS” on my boarding pass which ultimately meant pulling me aside and getting patted down by Bruno. When can they just start profiling?

    Secondly, you know…you KNOW that images will indeed be all over the web within days.

    If TSA can just fuse with some HMO and provide body scans that will also reveal cancer risks (like the $1500 full body scans that no one can afford that doctors claim everyone should have), this may work. You could release your scan to your primary physician via a web hosting site in Dubai…wait…never mind.

  105. erebusrat says:

    “[O]fficers are not allowed to bring anything, including phones, bags or other items into the remote viewing location.”

    [www.tsa.gov]

  106. Wow, Security Theatre has officially become Security Porn

    If we put up with this, don’t we deserve what we get?

  107. ahwannabe says:

    If they’re going to take pictures of me naked, they’d damn well better pay me like everybody else.

  108. DrGirlfriend says:

    It’s as simple as not flying anymore…of course. I’ll stop visiting my relatives who live a continent and half an ocean away from me just because the TSA wants to see my naughty bits. I think many of us are pissed at how things are going in the US, but solutions like “just don’t fly” aren’t really solutions.

    Also, normally I’d say that if they are going to see me naked they should at least buy me dinner and take me dancing, but having seen TSA agents I’d rather just get my humiliating x-ray pervfest done as quickly as possible.

  109. GothamGal says:

    @mantari:

    Very nice catch on their wording.

  110. JStrulleh says:

    Aww man, I’d totally go for the scan and then make the screeners feel as uncomfortable as possible. “Didja get a good show? Eh? Eh?” while elbowing and winking at them.

    Hooray for having no modesty.

  111. silver-spork says:
  112. robotrousers says:

    I feel like I should, you know, “fluff” before I go through security. Is that bad?

  113. philipbarrett2003 says:

    So how do they blur the face without seeing it first? If you’re 5′ or 6’6″ your face will be in a different place in the scanner.

  114. Channing says:

    Wow, so if I get a job as a TSA does that mean I can look at naked little kids? This seems, to be crude, fucked up.
    If I had a daughter I sure as hell wouldn’t want anyone looking at her nude body regardless if they blurred out her face or not.

  115. DeathSun says:

    Wait, does this even mean anything if it’s optional? I mean, if I went through the trouble to hide a weapon somewhere in my person that would get passed a pat-down, I’d just choose the pat-down!

    Geez, this is then as secure as Greyhound that ran a wand over me and had me empty my pockets…but when it came to bags and luggage just asked “do you have any weapons in there” and that was all.

  116. TheBigLewinski says:

    Damn, I wnat a job with the TSA, then I could look at “porn” all day at work, but wait, then I would be spending a whole lot of time in the bathroom wanking and I’d get fired. OK, forget it.

  117. Difdi says:

    If you’re fat & ugly, and do a pelvic thrust while being scanned, does that count as assault in a federal employee? Heheheh…

  118. Imaginary_Friend says:

    @Victo: Another good point.

    Those of you saying “that’s why I don’t fly” are missing the point. This shit is happening right now whether *you* personally fly or not. We all, as Americans, are having our rights systematically trampled upon. This is wrong. Let’s do something about it.

  119. I’ll take one for the team, I’ll walk through each of these scanners and then they’ll never want to leer again.

  120. mantari says:

    @dustincimino: That’s just as easy to turn around. “Let’s panic and run to the streets because somewhere, somehow, a terrorist might want to board one of our planes… with a fork!”

    I’d rather live like an American with a little bit of risk than not enjoy my freedom and have slightly reduced risk. If you’re too scared to join the rest of us in the real world, stop trying to inconvenience millions of people needlessly with your next wild hairbrain scheme, just so you’ll feel better.

  121. timmus says:

    We’ll see how well all this works with my aluminum foil underwear.

  122. philipbarrett2003 says:

    @dustincimino:

    Yeah, a highly secure room that should stop ‘em. High security has certainly stopped TSA agents selling stuff they’ve stolen from luggage on ebay.

  123. geoffhazel says:

    @HIV 2 Elway:

    Even sexier: a half-naked pregnant chick with wine and a smoke.

  124. flipx says:

    So if they can’t see your face what is the big deal looking at 90 % of the population grannies to 400 lbs hotties the pay won’t be enough and the smell of puke in the room… well good luck on that job.

  125. whatdoyoucare says:

    Here is a video to check it out for yourself:


    + Watch video

  126. ClankBoomSteam says:

    How much you wanna bet those of us who “choose” (like it’s really a choice) to be patted down rather than x-ray voyeur cammed on our way in will be “randomly” selected for further screening?

    How much you wanna bet that it takes less than a year after these devices are instituted at airports that there’s a scandal involving some pervy TSA employee getting caught storing the pictures for his own ‘personal’ use?

    How much you wanna bet the ‘pat me down’ line will totally rival the ‘take naked pictures of me’ line, thus rendering the cost-effectiveness of the whole affair questionable at best (and in so doing, prove that the TSA is a gigantic waste of tax dollars)?

    The TSA spends all its time doing two things:

    1) Not knowing what the hell they’re doing

    2) Pretending that they do.

    Fuck you, TSA. “Homeland Security” my ass.

  127. stevejust says:

    I’m flying out to/from dallas in two weeks. I’ve been thinking about just stripping right out in the open if I were to get tagged for this machine. I will no doubt get arrested and miss my flight, but it sure would call attention to how asinine this is. What’s your vote? Should I just drop trou right there?

    Let me say, too, that my objection is to not understanding these milimeter rays and what they might do to my body as a result of the exposure. But have you ever seen the results of a cat in a microwave? Not pretty.

  128. xDimMaK says:

    @flamincheney: Exactly… I’m sick of these people that act like if we don’t allow these ridiculous security measures at airports, we’re somehow all going to die and America will be destroyed. Airports are already too secure, we don’t need to pile another invasion of privacy in the form of naked pictures on top of it.

  129. ClankBoomSteam says:

    Oh, and also: if someone does get busted via the TSA Nudie Cam for carrying a weapon, does the TSA seriously expect us to believe that the images that they use to catch this person won’t be stored to a hard drive or otherwise saved, for prosecution purposes?

    All technology is hackable; that’s its nature. If someone is inclined, they can easily find a way to make use of this technology to store, copy and share the images created by it.

    Sorry, America — if you fly once they start using these things, there’s a very good chance you’ll be an unwitting porn star.

  130. Imaginary_Friend says:

    @stevejust: Do it!
    Give it to ‘em with both cheeks and if you get arrested, I’ll bail you out. But since I’m driving from California, it might take awhile.

  131. BrianU says:

    When I talked about that 3 years ago, I was ( and still am ) considered a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist nut-job. If you want to take things like this seriously check out [www.infowars.com] , if not pull the blanket over your head, put your fingers in your ears, get re-hypnotized by Fox News, or what ever you do to continue thinking everything is alright, and you don’t have to have any adult responsibilities that you can get the Government to do for you.

  132. Upsilon says:

    Hey, maybe this thing will finally get me some tail… if it doesn’t fry my spermy men.

    ~Y

  133. angryhippo says:

    I’m going to start wrapping my dangle and sack with tinfoil. Oh wait, bad idea seeing as how it’s a frackin’ microwave…

  134. cjdmi says:

    @mantari:
    The TSA website quote is a little misleading. The sentence just before the quoted sentence reads:

    “To ensure privacy, the passenger imaging technology being tested by TSA has zero storage capability and images will not be printed stored or transmitted.”

  135. dj-anakin says:

    I don’t understand why people are getting all upset about this. Everyone in the world knows what a penis, vagina, and breasts look like.

    If/when I come across these scanners in one of the several airports on that list I visit, i’ll volunteer to go through them if I can keep my shoes on and be through the line faster. How uptight are we that we get embarrased about our bodies.

    People never think about the reasons for all this. Would you rather have a full body scan, or be blown up? Your choice.

  136. I have a new idea for a clothing line. Cloths that block these scans. Time to research what it would take

  137. GarrickChrysippus says:

    @m1k3g:
    Hey M1k3g, saw your comment and wanted to ask you a question. You wrote:

    “So which would you prefer, being groped by the TSA or letting them take
    > your naked picture?”
    >
    > Neither. I prefer to not fly. period.
    >
    What other option is available to you then to travel?

    Well, fear not, my colleagues and I are hard at work getting the first
    viable PAV (personal aerial vehicle) to market by late 2010. You’ll no
    longer have to worry about those lines at airports, you’ll be able to own
    your own wings.

    Thought I’d share that with ya.

    Best regards,

    Ted Parkman

  138. @dj-anakin:

    This is a huge waste of money not to mention a invasion of privacy. Some people also have religious reasons for not wanting there nude image seen by strangers.

    The odds that this will prevent a terrorist attack are slim. The worst terrorist attack led to the death of a few thousand people.

    To compare
    [quote]Of the 43,443 motor vehicle deaths in 2005, more than 16,000, or nearly 40%, were alcohol related. More than 1.4 million U.S. drivers in 2004 were arrested for driving while drunk or using narcotics.[/quote]

    If your worried about deaths and want to prevent them as much as possible I take if you would support a bill baning alcohol and motor vehicles?

    source :[www.healthpolitics.org]

  139. @whatdoyoucare: I’m advised that if I don’t want my private areas shown, I should put a metal plate in my pants.

    I don’t know how that guy said that with a straight face.

  140. RStewie says:

    This is horrid. I’m never flying again.

    I think it’s a load of bullshit that they’ll be able to keep them off the internet, but besides that, I’m not having some TSA dorks hiding in a back room possibly jacking off to naked pictures of me.

    I choose who gets to see me naked. The Military already stripped me of my modesty. They’re not taking what’s left.

  141. xDimMaK says:

    @dj-anakin: I choose to not expose my naked body and simultaneously not be blown up. Been doing it for years, you should give it a try.

    And anyone who’s carrying something that would be picked up by the nude photo booths would just opt for the pat-down anyway. I’m failing to see how these will reduce my already EXTREMELY low chances of ever dying in an airplane at all, let alone because of terrorists.

    And it’s not so much a problem with the TSA realizing “WHOA that guy has a PENIS!?” It’s that here in America, we have a right to privacy, and these scanners are a violation of that right.

  142. ThomasD3 says:

    So, if you carry a baby with you, can you sue the TSA employees for watching naked children pictures?

    Look at this:

    During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes, representing 39% of all traffic-related deaths (NHTSA 2006).

    Isn’t that a bigger problem? I mean in the history of aviation, how many people died of terrorist acts in comparison?

  143. @hypochondriac: That statistic is mildly misleading: it’s for so called “alcohol-involved” accidents and includes fatalities in which at least one passenger or pedestrian had a BAC >0.01. Nobody’s going to suggest banning designated drivers, but for some reason the NHTSA reports their statistics that way instead of reporting “alcohol-impaired” accidents, which considers only the driver’s BAC.

    I found one report (PDF) with alcohol-impaired statistics: In 2005, 13,582 (or 31%) of the 43,510 fatalities involved a driver who had a BAC greater than 0.08. Still pretty bad, but more honest when used to support drunk-driving laws.

    Anyway, a blanket not-a-drop law is preposterous. Going back to the alcohol-involved statistics (but subtracting out the drunk pedestrians hit by sober drivers), alcohol-involved accidents accounted for 36% of all fatalities. But only 5% of fatalities involved someone whose BAC was in the range 0.01-0.07. 31% involve someone with BAC ≥0.08, which is already illegal.

    By the time you start passing laws lowering the limit below 0.08 (0.06 might be justifiable), the drawbacks far outweigh the benefits. Someone with a BAC of 0.01 is not impaired. The attention would be better focused towards enforcement and awareness of the existing laws and working on a another cause of crashes, like people distracted by cell phones.

    Don’t get me wrong: drunk-driving is still wrong. Alcohol is involved in only 7% of all types crashes, yet is involved in 37% of the fatalities, which is clearly disproportionate. If it makes you feel any better, 70% of the drunk drivers in alcohol-impaired crashes die.

    Traffic Safety Facts (PDF) [NHTSA]

  144. @hypochondriac:

    ThomasD3 said the same thing in clearer words, so I get now that you were not advocating lowering the limit, but saying that all this attention on terrorism is absurd in comparison to other ways that people die. That is absolutely true. I’m tempted to think that a trillion dollars spent on a war in Iraq might have done something more for cancer than it did for our safety.

    It’s more about consolidation of power than actually preventing terrorism which, statistically speaking, isn’t all that great of a risk, even if you lived in notorious places like Algeria, Israel, and Northern Ireland.

    Just give me my freedoms. I’ll take my chances with the terrorists, thank you.

  145. UnknownVariable says:

    I’d much rather the scan than a pat-down. Then again, if it were legal to walk around without clothes during the summer heat, I just wouldn’t wear any to begin with.

    My opinion is that the human body is not something that should be thought of as scary, gross, disgusting, etc. It’s a perfectly normal part of life, and guess what – everybody’s got a naked body under their clothes. The only difference is size, shape, color, etc. It’s pretty much all the same. If you’ve seen one, you’ve seen ‘em all.

    I would have zero worries if I were able to get a scan like this instead of having to deal with all the other inane acts when going through an airport.

    As for the issue with children, I put the same views of the human body to theirs as well. Regardless if the TSA officer is a pedophile or not, so long as he’s not touching, stalking, etc, there isn’t really an issue, IMO.

    Yes, I fully realize my view is most likely an unpopular one and many people will disagree. And you’re more than welcome to. :) Everybody has their own opinion.

  146. angryhippo says:

    pjcurry- really? What other things will you blindly do for the TSA monkeys if they demand it? “Sir, I would like you to do your own cavity search in front of this group of TSA trainees. It’s for security.” So far, they really haven’t done much right, they’ve just been lucky.

    Besides, this IS a site to “whine and snivel” about being mistreated and how to fix or get around it. By your logic if we don’t have a way to make security better we should just shut up and take whatever crap they dish out.

  147. CyberSkull says:

    Look, why don’t we just do this: Naked Airâ„¢. You go to the airport nude, and go strait to the plane. No searches or anything of your person. Take the flight and arrive nude and be on your way. Now we don’t need body scanners.

  148. sean77 says:

    Skyharbor airport in phoenix already has this. You get asked if you want the machine or a patdown.

  149. valkner says:

    You know, there was a time a fella had to pay to go into a private booth and look at naked people. Now he just has to get hired by the TSA!

    If they try to put me in one of those things, I’m going to strip down right there and make them all see me naked!

  150. azgirl says:

    Yea- lets make all this security for planes with a few hundred people on them, but not do anything significant at sporting events with thousands of people… anyone ever think we missed something here?

  151. lestat730 says:

    thats REALLY messed up… wow.

  152. ninjatoddler says:

    There seems to be some sort of a negative trend regarding Big Brother of late.

    1. Library book and video checkouts. Check!
    2. Cell Phones and landlines tapping. Check!
    3. Internet web browsing history. Check!
    4. Email snooping. Check!
    5. Nude pictures from the good boys over at TSA. Check!
    What’s left anymore?

  153. Robobot says:

    Most of my airport visits since my early teens have included some groping. It’s pretty humiliating and at Miami and St. Louis I’ve gotten full- on man handled. (I won’t go into detail, but I can say that it was bad enough for me to prefer a full body scan.) Something about TSA screeners seeing my body, even if it is explicit, somehow feels less invasive.

    I’m speaking purely from personal experience, so that probably makes my sentiments a little skewed.

  154. MalcoveMagnesia says:

    Why hasn’t a Constitutional law appropriate law suit (against excessive & unreasonable search) been filed yet?

  155. arl84 says:

    Wow.

    What an outrage. What an injustice!!! If I ever have to submit to something like this, I will not fly. I just plain won’t do it. That’s a completely unnecessary invasion of privacy.

    What’s wrong with being patted down? It seems to be working fine so far. I don’t think very many people would like to be exposed like this just to get on a plane.

  156. SayAhh says:

    This story was posted on LA Times months ago. My response is: will you let TSA watch you take a dump, too, just to make sure you didn’t stick a bomb up your butt? Safety first, people!

    /sarcasm

  157. mythago says:

    My opinion is that the human body is not something that should be thought of as scary, gross, disgusting, etc.

    Good on you. Feel free to wave your privates at the TSA for the privilege of getting on a plane. The rest of us are able to comprehend that “the human body is beautiful” is not an excuse for being forced to reveal one’s own body for no good reason whatsoever. Or are you one of those people who thinks downblouse photos are a public good?

  158. mantari says:

    @cjdmi: Again, all that depends on how much you trust their denials. Yet more weasel words were found.

    They say that the *technology* doesn’t have this capability (which is a REALLY false statement). And a further clarification of “that the TSA is testing”. Which could be differentiated from what the TSA is deploying or implementing. Or providing an ‘upgrade’ for at a later time. Or perhaps another government agency, outside of the TSA, provides the technology, and makes it transparent to the TSA folks.

    Why? Perhaps to store images for ‘security training’ or for ‘review and rate screening officer proficiency’ or to ‘provide feedback for enhancing the product’. And how about vendors? Someone who is repairing the unit?

    With such a simple denial with some vague wording, they could be doing just about anything.

  159. Jabberkaty says:

    Wow. Staying home.

    My only consolation is knowing that TSA will be seeing an awful lot of bad naked. Suckers!

  160. DTaylor404 says:

    This really doesn’t bother me. Privacy is an illusion, as is anonymity. If there is any left, it’s because there is SO MUCH personal information available that no human being has the time to sift through it all.

  161. mattarse says:

    I’ll be thinking of porn right before I enter that booth, try to freak them out ;)
    I’m thinking to insist on the pat down, always makes them nervous when you breath heavily at this point.

    Seriously though, how often has a hijacker been stopped at security? I think it would make the news atleast once in th past few years, and if it has I haven’t heard of it.

    What sucks is that the US forces other countries to adopt the American security guidelines so soon enough we’ll see this in Europe as well.

  162. Mr. Gunn says:

    dustincimino: You’re quick to jump on the “OMG Terrists!” bandwagon, for such a new commenter. This administration has eroded fundamental human rights to a degree never before seen anywhere on earth.

    I think this whole thing is silly, though, and I don’t care if someone sees me naked. I look good. In other countries they have boobs on billboards, and aren’t so hung up on it.

    It’s the other stuff that the TSA does, like scanning your laptop and making you get rid of your fucking water bottles that pisses me off.

  163. tenfourniner says:

    I personally don’t mind at all, because my face would be blurred. I don’t care if a TSA employee sees my anonymous dong. Even if we were aquaintances, I don’t think he/she’d recognize me (and if he/she did, I don’t think the nature of our relationship would befit embarrassment.) Also, making this mandatory would ELIMINATE the hated random security checks.

    And to those worried about the issue of perverts behind the curtains, sure it could happen. However, as long as we keep the operators themselves under surveillance, fire them if they take pictures of the screen or whatever, we should be ok. If the gov’t indeed does keep the pictures, they’ll be behind enough red tape so that nobody should worry about them.

  164. LibertyReign says:

    @RedSonSuperDave:

    We already have such a law. It’s called the U.S. Constitution.

  165. LibertyReign says:

    We have to take naked pictures of everyone or else the TERRORISTS WIN. If you have a problem with this then you are WITH THE TERRORISTS. It is essential to give up your privacy so that WE CAN FIGHT AL QAEDA. THE TERRORISTS HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOM so you will now be expected to give it all away.

    Welcome to America, land of the slaves, home of the cowards.

  166. LibertyReign says:

    @dustincimino:

    I would like you to prove that seeing my naked body prevents terrorism. If you were capable of critical thinking you would realize that these measures are solely about CONTROL and have nothing to do with SECURITY.

    “If you dont like what the TSA is doing stop flying or stop bitching.”

    Having a problem with the government interfering with free travel and commerce is called being AMERICAN. Your comment equates to:

    “If you have a problem with fascism, further restrict your right to travel and your rights to privacy, and above all else stop complaining about it.”

    Those of us who are familiar with history and actually pay attention to current events have to live with the fascist, totalatarinistic, tyrannical, police state that the majority of ignorant people like yourself have forced us into. I’m sorry but you are going to have to live with us “bitching” about it.

    If you don’t like living in a free society where some citizens still have enough dignity to complain about having their rights taken away then stop frequenting consumerist websites, and stop bitching about it.

  167. LionelEHutz says:

    This truly is becoming a country gripped by irrational fear. Since when did America become the “Home of the Chickenshit”.

  168. LibertyReign says:

    @LionelEHutz:

    since 9/11

  169. the_wiggle says:

    @swags: kiddie porn. no thanks. need a waiver for the pat down & scan for all minors.

    @mantari: deliberate devilish details
    we’re supposed to not notice.

    @dgp: no bet. keepin’ my $$. kthx.

  170. the_wiggle says:

    @LibertyReign: @mantari: bingo! well said.

    @SayAhh: here’s hoping that stays sarcasm as no doubt that’ll be the next TSA request if they think they can get away with it.

    @ninjatoddler: good question. anything anyone?

  171. maruawe42 says:

    what the heck made you think that you were entitled to
    privacy. Get your file from the FBI or the IRS.
    privacy HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  172. couldbebopeep says:

    i have no problems with the tsa equivalent in europe. i got stopped at the secret security check at the gate in copenhagen and the guys who patted me down and x-rayed were so nice and i ended up talking to them for 10 or so minutes. i’d also rather get scanned than patted down by a butch lesbian who lingers on my tits.

  173. LibertyReign says:

    @couldbebopeep:

    I prefer neither. Naked xrays at the airport are an invasion of my privacy and they encourage the government that it is OK to invade my privacy so why not take it even further. Pat downs are completely useless and are about control, the appearence of security and making customers feel safe and docile while simutaneously teaching them to conform to unreasonable searches.

    This is the major problem with our society. YOU don’t have a problem with it, so you think it’s O.K. That is not how freedom works. It is unnecessary therefore it should not be allowed, otherwise others suffer from what YOU think is O.K. and it progresses further into something which inevitably all peoples of all nations will find unacceptable.

  174. ShizaMinelli says:

    “So which would you prefer, being groped by the TSA or letting them take your naked picture?”

    How about they grope me while I’m naked and then take pictures?

  175. BobbyG says:

    Storing my biometrics in databases accessible by TSA or government officials? My little girls naked body image stored? Letting us choose between full body scan or pat down…Ya for now!