OK, there's no way THAT was Kosher. It does explain why after eating those hot dogs the other day I cleaned the outside of my house with a toothbrush.

Great, now where am I going to get my Kosher meth from?

Oy gehvalt!

I had to read a book that involved this plant before I entered my freshman year of college. I hated Postville then, and I hate it now!

ugh. So the illegal immigrants get a trial, to determine if they are deported or not. And they can appeal. Being an illegal immigrant is enough, but being involved with a Meth Lab. I understand a trial to determine guilt for the Meth, thats fine. But if we know they're illegal, deport'em. Don't waste tax dollars on any more then gas down to Mexico.

Kosher meth ... (big grin)

Reminds me of the 'Special' you could get at the drive through window of OJ's chicken take out joints in LA. "I'll have a bucket of wings and The Special". "That's $425 at the next window, sir."

All the more reason to buy from local farmers...

Just doin' the drugmaking Americans won't do. (Wait, is this Hotair.com?)

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Not a surprise. There is more and more evidence that Rubashkin's is really not managing their plant(s) very well. There is a very good chance that they'll have their kosher certification pulled if they're found guilty of anything.

If I learned anything from Breaking Bad, it's that you can have a Meth lab anywhere...

Bladefist, guilty until proven innocent, much? 80% are estimated to be illegal. That means some have to show they're not illegal. In a huge bust like this they probably just rounded up everybody with no thoughts or consideration. Also, certain illegals can be made legal through certain protections like claiming refugee status and things of the sort. I like how republicans like to repeat the definition of illegal as if everyone doesn't already know what it means.

After being told about this story via IM by theblackdog

   urban bohemian: Wow.
   urban bohemian: I'm not so keen on immigration raids, but a meth lab?!
   theblackdog: that's definitely not kosher
   theblackdog: *ducks*
   urban bohemian: ...

'nuff said.

some criminals just don't know when to quit. Either do the identity theft scam, or the meth lab, not both.

Geez, the US can't even make crooks right anymore.

Well, the Torah doesn't mention methamphetamine, so thankfully, the meat processor won't lose their kosher certification. Since re-certifying would be such a headache!

I like how republicans like to repeat the definition of illegal as if everyone doesn't already know what it means.

Well as long as we're starting political flamewars: It's not we think you don't know what it means, we just don't think you give a damn.

*dons asbestos armani*

So what happens to the Jewish people that had been eating non kosher food from this place?

Wow, who knew the "Higher Authority" was Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. I always thought they were referring to Yahweh.

Wow! Yet another reason to turn veggie! What's up with all the posts today?

@Trai_Dep: If the animal cruelty allegations were true they should have lost it anyway.

@MayorBee: Isn't that the Hebrew National Ad?

@KassiaIdomeneus:

Republicans wouldn't have to keep repeating the definition of illegal if the word was understood and appropriate actions were taken against the criminals (Yes, I said criminals. Breaking the law makes you a criminal).

Also, it is highly unlikely that refugee status would be granted to anyone from Mexico or Guatemala. This country denies that status and sends immigrants back to way worse places then down south on a daily basis.

@B: @B: @dragonfire81:

ha ha, Kosher Meth.

Seriously though, this is unbelievable. Time to shut down this plant and try again some other time. If the animal abuse doesn't get enough attention, how about a freakin' meth lab? I have to think they should qualify as worst company ever. As bad as BOFA is, I doubt they have abused animals and started meth labs.

well, now the price of kosher meat is going up. yipee. Its times like these I wish for the old days of local butchers.

@KassiaIdomeneus: republicans? wtf? this is my opinion, did the GOP release a statement I don't know about? Don't bring politics into everything. you're either a legal citizen or you're not. Give them the chance to prove they are, if they are, if they aren't deport'em. That easy. By the way, Democrats love to eat poop. Today is 'Make everything political with retarded generalizations day"

So any of the people running AgriProcessor getting arrested for knowingly violating the immigration laws of the country or are the Rabbis getting a free ride?

@wgrune: Being a criminal makes you a victim. The law process is highly stressful, and unfortunately, most criminals are punished. They should be made citizens and be put on welfare, because republicans are bigot racists who destroy America. When Illegals are making Meth, that is also illegal, and selling it illegally, and perhaps to kids, that is because their mother didn't love them enough, and America needs to love them. Democrats want to help, and empower these awesome people. (And get their votes)

@apotheosis: what is "dons asbestos armani?"

Also good point.

Bladefist I don't know how we got on this tirade but the bottom line is this country has a due process - Deporting people on sight is NOT it.

@Bladefist:
I think that's "puts on firesuit"

@MikeGrenade:

While I agree that American Citizen or not they deserve due process, my problem is that that due process in this case will end up way more complicated then it needs to be.

These cases should be easy to decided. "Can you prove your US citizenship? Yes or no?

What is there to appeal? You either are or you arent, there is no middle ground here...

It's no surprise that some workers resorted to meth production to supplement their income, given the horrible working conditions and low wages at AgriProcessors. That's no excuse, however, just an explanation.

If the only folks who are arrested are the workers themselves, then this was a complete waste of time and money. AgriProcessors management participates -- mob-style -- in a known "snakehead" network that has filed for thousands of EW-3 visas through the Dept of Labor. These are visas given to workers that take jobs that otherwise go unfilled, usually because the employer keeps wages artificially low. Many of these immigrant workers appear at their jobs for just a few days or weeks and then take their shiny new visas and go AWOL. The bottom of the barrel (i.e. those w/o visas) usually have no choice but to stick around and take AgriProcessors' $5-$6 an hour wage.

First, arrest the management and do a full investigation. Then, we need true immigration reform (i.e. guest worker program, NOT citizenship) and universal enforcement; sending these poor folks back through the revolving door will never solve the problem.

@Rectilinear Propagation: Yeah, it is the Hebrew National tagline. I'm just a goyim that doesn't know one kosher company from another.

@wgrune: wow, so anyone who is not an american citizen should immediately be deported?

So long tourism.

Also green cards.

Ever notice how the rush to "outsourcing" seemed to really kick in just as the government started making it really hard and expensive to hire foreign workers?

@wgrune: thank you, thats what i was trying to say. I wasn't trying to say they don't serve that. Whether its court, or something less formal, you either are or you aren't. SS#? Visa? No? PEACE OUT!

@tph: What are you babbling about? Tourist can come here with Visas and passports. We are not against LEGAL immigration. Hell, my gf is from Korea, she will probably become a citizen, LEGALLY. Americans love legal immigration. I've seen a lot of talented people from a lot of countries come over here and start a life.

Legal Immigration + Capitalism + Secured Country = Success

To Add- Currently there is a Cap of the maximum amount of immigrants who can become legal citizens. I say triple that CAP, and deport all the Illegals, and if they want to come back in, put them last on the list. I am all for legal immigration.

@Bladefist: I was responding to this statement in wgrune's post:

These cases should be easy to decided. "Can you prove your US citizenship? Yes or no?

The implication being that non-US citizens are not wanted.

Obviously, there are lots of people with sense who are in favour of legal immigration. However, there must be plenty of american's who aren't otherwise it would not be so bloody difficult for people who are willing to work to come to the US and do so.

It's hard to believe that you are truly in favour of legal immigration if you still believe that there should remain a "list" for people to be put "last on".

@tph:

Yeah, because I said we shouldn't let tourists into this country anymore. I was speaking about this specific situation. Quit putting words into my mouth to sensationalize the topic.

@tph: Anyone over the cap, would be put on a waiting list for the next year. First come - First Serve. Some people in Washington think that if you came here illegally, you should still get citizenship, and be put at the top of the list, since you are already here. I am saying, boot'em out, and let them start the bottom of the list.

"..but they're only here to work and make a better life for themselves....."

@Bladefist: Interestingly, according to Fast Food Nation, many meat processing plants run buses from Mexico to bring illegal workers to their plants and work for lower wages. So you may want to direct some of your outrage in their direction, too.

@Bladefist: I understand a trial to determine guilt for the Meth, thats fine. But if we know they're illegal, deport'em.

@wgrune: Can you prove your US citizenship? Yes or no?

1) Not having your birth certificate in your wallet does not prove you're here illegally, even if you have brown skin.

2) When there's have a database that supposedly has more than 300,000,000 names in it, you can bet there are tens (or maybe even hundreds) of thousands of errors and omissions. You know at least that 1% of our citizens are in the margin of error, right?

3) I'm sure your papers are in order, so you have no problem ruling the masses with an oppressive fist of heartless iron. But that's not what America is about.

@Bladefist: #1 - why should there be a cap? #2 - why should someone who was born elsewhere, but brought to the US (illegally) as a child, be forced to leave the only home they've ever known? (yes, I know that this is a very specific example, and that most of the people in this particular case wouldn't fall under it - my point is that when you are talking about things like deportations, very little is black and white).

@wgrune: I responded to the specific words in your post. If you had said something along the lines of "Can you prove your legal right to work in the US?" I wouldn't have had a problem. When people start to lump in "citizenship" with legality, I, as a non-citizen working in the US, start to get a little nervous.

@tph: I'm not sure we need a cap. But if there is no cap, then we need other requirements. To start, speaking English. Also it would help if you had something to bring to this country, and were not coming here for our welfare system, and soon to be universal unhealthcare.

that was a dumb statement, we already have requirements. Legally, it can be a huge pain in the ass to become a citizen. But its a pain in the ass in all the GOOD countries that anyone would want to move to.

@Bladefist: To start, speaking english.

Is that fragment a joke?

@Bladefist: If people are arrested at their place of work, would it not stand to reason that they probably have something to offer (in exchange for wages) and aren't coming to the US to the welfare?

@tph: Well if their place of employment isn't making meth, maybe.

@Michael Belisle: I don't have time to impress you with my english skillz.

@Bladefist: point taken ;) Though it would be interesting to find out how many of the employees were actively involved in the meth operation.

Then maybe it's time we started discussing your removal from this country, unless you would like to begin wielding the language properly.