"Gay" Player Name Banned By Xbox Live

Reader Grant says that his gamer tag “theGAYERgamer” was recently banned by Xbox Live. He hoped that a call to customer support would sort things out but all he received was a confusing explanation from an Xbox Live supervisor. According to the supervisor, it wasn’t that she found the name offensive, but it was the “greater Xbox community” that found it offensive. Screenshot above. Grant’s letter, inside…

Consumerist,

I have had a bad morning. Last night when i tried to sign into my xbox live account “thegayergamer” I was told that it had to be changed. I figured that it was just from people reporting it as an offensive name being that the greater Xbox live community isn’t exactly welcome to gay people, i spend a lot of time muting people on Halo3. I assumed that once i called Microsoft they would straighten things out.

I talked to a supervisor there, Roxy, who told me that she didn’t personally find the fact that my gamer tag had gay in the name offensive, but that the greater Xbox community did, so i would have to change it. I hope I’m not the only person who finds this don’t ask, don’t tell policy disgusting… eek

From Grant, thegayergamer

We think you deserve a better explanation than this. Despite what this Xbox Live CSR told you, we’re not convinced that it’s the “greater Xbox community’s” job to classify offensive material. At best it sounds like this “supervisor” was trying to pass the buck. At worst, it’s downright homophobic discrimination. Would “theHETEROgamer” also be banned?

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  1. Wormfather says:

    I dont know, perhaps someone didng realize that he was identifying himself as a homosexual, instead thought he was goating homosexuals or at least making a crass joke.

    I cant really blame Microsoft for taking the safe ground here. Esspcially seeing as how the word Gay is considered to be the un-PC way of saying homosexual by some sorts.

  2. ARPRINCE says:

    Try a gamer tag like BrokeBackMountaineer.

  3. rellog says:

    Who COMPLETELY dicked up the site??? This looks HORRIBLE!

  4. heavylee-again says:

    Did Microsoft receive specific complaints about his username, that the supervisor is qualified to correctly state that the community was offended?

  5. Thorny says:

    I’m sure they wouldn’t approve “PussyLover332″ either, even if the person was simply a cat lover.

    It’s in their best interest to be strict since many gamers are younger with parents who have the money to spend on future products. Frankly, there are so many nicknames you can pick that aren’t offensive, why even bother trying to be stupid and walk the fine line.

  6. ucdcsteve says:

    @ARPRINCE: A Brokeback joke? Really? Throw in some Seinfeld references while you’re being current.

  7. hypnotik_jello says:

    XboxLiveSucksMyHairyBallsackGamer?

  8. MayorBee says:

    @Wormfather: But when we (gays) don’t find the term “gay” to be non politically correct, how non-PC could it be? I could understand if it were a slur, like the “f” word, the “d” word, the “p-b” word, or even the dreaded “b-p” word describing gays, but that’s not the case here.

    I do, however, take offense to the rapper “Nelly”. That’s our word. He shouldn’t be able to call himself that.

  9. MayorBee says:

    @ucdcsteve: Not that there’s anything WRONG with that.

  10. wdnobile says:

    There are appropriate times and places to express ones sexuality. XBox Live is NOT one of them.

    What you have to realize is, that these online communities, be they the consumerist posts, Xbox live or varous website message boards, are private communities, subject to their own rules and regulations.

    A child playing XBox live may not have parents that are ready to explain homosexuality, heterosexuality or any sex related topic yet.

    Frankly – this is just a nonissue. Change your name and move on.

    • Anonymous says:

      @wdnobile: Why it is acceptable to ban people for identifying as gay or lesbian, but not to ban them for identifying as white, black, Hispanic, Irish, German, or American?

      Yes, it may be a private community. The point is that they feel the community’s behavior isn’t entirely acceptable. So they are bringing attention to it and trying to change it. I guarantee you that if they banned someone for identifying as a specific racial group all hell would break loose.

    • Anonymous says:

      @wdnobile: Wait, what?! Most Xbox Live games are rated T and up anyway. So it’s okay for a child to gun down hundreds of zombies with incredibly detailed faces, witness scantily-clad female characters, and all sorts of other unwholesome sights and sounds, but not to witness someone’s gamer tag or profile mentioning simply that a certain gamer is homosexual? And why are people offended by the word “gay” instead of all the gender-biased and racist stereotypes portrayed by the games and the “Greater Xbox Live community”?

  11. So what about all the stuff said over Xbox Live? Is that somehow less offensive than seeing something in writing?

    If someone wants to play Portal in the privacy of their own home, that’s nobody’s business but their own.

  12. ucdcsteve says:

    @MayorBee: Now THAT was funny :)

  13. MeOhMy says:

    @Wormfather: That would be my guess. They aren’t worried about people being offended about gay gamers nearly as much as they are about the backlash that would ensue if they allowed gamertags that mocked gay people. This is what it’s come to. Can’t they use the parental control system to *** out potentially offensive words in handles?

  14. slim150 says:

    they should just filter out offensive words / w0rds at the time of username creation. i am sure they get a ton of false offensive names because some kid got mad they got beat at halo etc

  15. Southern says:

    It’s in their best interest to be strict since many gamers are younger with parents who have the money to spend on future products. Frankly, there are so many nicknames you can pick that aren’t offensive, why even bother trying to be stupid and walk the fine line.

    Quoted for Truth. An online gaming community with young children is not the place to be advertising your sexual preference.

  16. MonkeyMonk says:

    @Wormfather:
    I thought calling someone a “homosexual” was considered an un-PC and outdated way of saying “gay” or “lesbian”? I’ll admit though that the word “gay” has had a resurgence in pejorative usage over the years.

  17. MissPeacock says:

    I find it sad that the word “gay” is considered offensive at all.

  18. bonzombiekitty says:

    @Wormfather: I don’t know any gay people that are offended at the word “gay” being used to refer to them. There are many, however, that get mad/offended at the use of the word “gay” as a word for something bad, i.e. “that shirt is so gay”.

  19. metaled says:

    That’s just GAY!…. I can understand it. Son, come here, I am going to wash your mouth out with soap (not unless you want a visit from CDC!). “But mom, That Gay Gamer, That’s just his name!”
    We teach our kids not to call people gay, even if they are. So a system that caters to kids as well as adults, has the right to restrict words that parents and others might find offensive. What if a black person used one of those descriptive NO-NO words in his name, or a lesbian used the word “Dike” Or a mentally slow person used the word “Retard” in a name. So what if they are whose things, they are things we have taught our kids not to use and you want to call yourself it, fine, but my kid can’t call you by those names, so the name should not be used.
    Come on, maybe you don’t have a problem with it, but have an OPEN MIND and think about how it could be troubling and offend others (hurt kids who tried to call you by you username). I think they did the right thing and you are just looking to start a fight or a lawsuit. They aren’t violating your rights, they are making it a wholesome gaming sight for ALL people. If they have to remove your gamertag because some people might be offended by it, so be it, change your name and enjoy the system.
    Think about it, you want them to allow a Gamertag like “GayBasher” on there as well? You can’t have it both ways. Change your name, avoid the drama and just PLAY!

  20. chrisfromnl says:

    On the bright side, It normally costs 800 Microsoft points to change your gamertag, and you are getting it for free.

  21. Black Bellamy says:

    /laughs @ the “won’t someone think of the children crowd”

    It’s homophobia plain and simple. Every time some ignorant dipshit makes a judgement call that “gay” offends someone is just adding fuel to the fires of hate that ultimately cause some gay people to be found beaten to death and strapped to barbed wire fences somewhere out in our tolerant and loving homeland.

  22. BigElectricCat says:

    @Southern: “Quoted for Truth. An online gaming community with young children is not the place to be advertising your sexual preference.”

    I see. So it’s okay for Halo 3 players to corpse-hump their dead opponents in front of the aforementioned kiddies, just so long as nobody mentions teh ghey. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

  23. PsychicPsycho3 says:

    @wdnobile:

    You think you’re being non-biased, but anyone with a tag like “ILoveGirls” or the aforementioned references to female body parts would not likely be banned. They’re expressing their sexuality, and I doubt if you’d have a problem with it.

    Also, if you think your kid isn’t ready to be called a faggot every time he messes up in counter strike, you should let him or her onto xbox live.

    I’m really really sick of everyone thinking that homosexuality is somehow offensive to children or something. Kids are gay too.

  24. metaled says:

    Someone is calling Gloria Allred… GEEZE! Why is this even here, this is Hetro-Baiting.. hehe

  25. witeowl says:

    @MissPeacock: As do I, and I find it even sadder that the word “gay” is used regularly and unthinkingly as an insult. (Spelling it ghey doesn’t help.)

    I was embarassed recently when a student asked if he could “use the word queerest to mean oddest” in his paper and I first said no, that it wouldn’t be an appropriate use of the word. Wait, what? I corrected myself after a mere heartbeat, but still… the issue is out there, and it’s a reflection on how confusing the whole issue can be.

  26. ConsumerA says:

    @Southern:
    Quoted for Truth. An online gaming community with young children is not the place to be advertising your sexual preference.

    It’s not a preference. Did you choose to be straight?

  27. thesabre says:

    @MayorBee: “I could understand if it were a slur, like the “f” word, the “d” word, the “p-b” word, or even the dreaded “b-p” word describing gays”

    Am I the only straight guy sitting here wondering what words “p-b” and “b-p” are censoring?

  28. MayorBee says:

    @metaled: While the term gay may have been used in the past as a pejorative, but that’s not the case anymore. Gays don’t find it offensive when other people call them gay. That’s not necessarily the case when someone uses the “n” word to describe a black person.

    As for “GayBasher”, if you think that there’s a parallel between choosing a name that describes yourself and a name that describes a hate crime, then you have more serious issues.

  29. SkokieGuy says:

    I totally support X-Box Live’s decision to ban this name.

    Because games ARE played by a huge community, including children, removing potentially offensive names is important.

    This will help protect the sanctity of childhood while they play Grand Theft Auto IV and engange in rape & murder ‘play’.

  30. HIV 2 Elway says:

    @metaled: Wow! And you suggest other people have an open mind?

  31. kborer22 says:

    if your really worried what your kids are expesed to, then maybe they should not be playing games online….re-register your gamer tag as the same thing? game on GAYER, game on

  32. homerjay says:

    @ucdcsteve: Hey! Sure, Brokeback references are pretty tired but Seinfeld references are timeless.

  33. HIV 2 Elway says:

    @SkokieGuy: +1. The children must be protected as they run around shooting eachother in Halo. Well played.

  34. MayorBee says:

    @thesabre: You’re probably not the only straight guy wondering. I was tongue-in-cheek censoring pillow biter and butt pirate. Trust me, I’ve heard them all.

  35. hollywood2590 says:

    Listen, if I had Down Syndrome and wanted to name myself RetardedHero I’m pretty sure that I would have to change my name too, even though it wouldn’t be meant to be offensive. This is homophobia its common sense. The same people supporting his use here because he happens to be gay would be condemning him if he was straight. Seriously, some of the posters on this site are fucking morons.

  36. Tallanvor says:

    @Southern: That’s complete crap.

    It doesn’t matter where you are, you shouldn’t have to worry about hiding your orientation.

    Besides, I’ll bet that XBox Live requires parental permission for people under 18, so if the parents don’t want their children to understand the reality of the world, then they shouldn’t let them use the service.

  37. HIV 2 Elway says:

    @hollywood2590: All of this coming from the one with an impeccable grasp of the English language.

  38. ucdcsteve says:

    @homerjay: Actually, I don’t like Seinfeld. I was more referring to his continuation of my initial joke by including said reference.

  39. I have to second the folks who are calling out the “won’t someone think of the children” crowd. If your kid is on XBox Live, you aren’t thinking of your children’s safety at all. So it’s okay to leave your children in an open forum of uncouth college boys in their 20s, but it’s not okay for your kid to read the word “gay?” Come on, grow up and learn some real parenting skills.

    Using that argument is just a thinly veiled excuse for saying it’s okay to be homophobic. And the company blocking this name does the same thing and perpetuates the stereotype that gamers are all homophobic freaks. (Duh, because we all know that’s only 85% of them…lol.) Thanks for proving us right about calling you douches, Microsoft!

  40. Greeper says:

    It’s funny, because I always file complaints against the anti-gay slurs and I know nothing happens, because I see them again and again. I usually tell them I am gay when they say faggot, and they NEVER believe me. Because their own teammates could never be gay, and certainly would NEVER admit it. The uncomfortable silence that follows is priceless. I’ve been de-friended repeatedly (and I never make friend requests, these are people who friend me for my mad skills) after outing myself.

    Nonsequitur: A group of kids berated me for an entire game last night because I vetoed Shotty Snipers. They were calling me GreenPepperFace, which is not a slur but a play on my gamertag. I am a 37 year old professional, and I have to say, I felt bullied and threatened in the strangest way. It’s actually kind of funny how bad they made me feel. Being told to Die/Fuck Off/ Quit, GreenPepperFace made me feel worse than being called Faggot ever made me feel.

    Anyone know how XBOX investigates voice complaints, what it takes to get banned, and what the various penalties are?

  41. SonicMan says:

    They will ban any tag that gents enough complaints.

    For all we know, there were many Homosexuals on live that took offence to his live tag, and that why it was banned. Maybee this guy was making fun of Homosexuals when playing, and the tag was part of his offence.

    @Tallanvor: Live will let youi blok there voice, there messages, and there bio. But there tag can still be seen.

  42. SkokieGuy says:

    @Greeper: You’re 37 and are being called names by kids and you want to know what to do?

    Have you tried “Sticks and stones can…..”?

  43. weakdome says:

    I used to know a guy who consistantly played CS as the nickname “Rental Metard”. Nobody ever kicked him because of his name.

  44. @thesabre: Heck, I’m gay myself and I was having problems figuring those two out.

    Please don’t take away my gay card, MayorBee…

  45. SkokieGuy says:

    @CaptainSemantics: I don’t believe you. Okay, quick, no google….

    Ding ding ding went ____ _______?
    Who loves to love you? ________?
    Tom of ___________?

  46. BlondeGrlz says:

    @SkokieGuy: Well you know, rape and murder are nice, normal crimes. Being the gay is unnatural.
    There is nothing child-friendly about XBox Live, and as Tallanvor pointed out it’s the parents job to monitor their kids, not TheGayerGamer’s. “Think of the children” is the crappiest excuse ever.
    @hollywood2590: I think you’re wrong about almost everything. I’ll agree on the morons thing though.

  47. MayorBee says:

    @CaptainSemantics: I won’t take your card away, but I will tear up your princess points.

    @SonicMan:

    Maybee this guy was making fun of Homosexuals when playing, and the tag was part of his offence.

    <sarcasm> Yeah, that’s how we gays work the system. We go around calling people that don’t play well “gay”. Good thing you figured that one out. </sarcasm>

  48. jmuskratt says:

    @Greeper:

    Exactly. I find it pretty ironic that Microsoft has a problem with GAY in a gamertag, but no problem with hate speech in the game lobby.

    It got so bad that I once started shouting for them to at least use some other homophobic slur than “gay.” I mean, c’mon, I can only hear “this map is gay” so many times.

  49. mac-phisto says:

    i don’t see a problem with this. i don’t think microsoft actively reviews gamertags to fit a model – i think they just review complaints that fellow gamers file.

    i’ve reported more than one gamertag myself. you’d be surprised at some of these. jewhunter36. meetmysignig. a55rap3r2000. seriously. you have to draw the line somewhere & i think that somewhere is when other people start complaining.

  50. SkokieGuy says:

    Slightly off topic, but I think every time heterosexuals use sarcasm us gays should get a dollar.

  51. mike says:

    Gamertags need creativity, class, and grace. Some of the best tags are ones where there are obscure Simpsons or Futurama references.

    When I play on XBOX Live, I’m not looking to score women; I’m looking to kill someone.

    Saying that you’re gay in a gamertag is not creative nor classy. Dude, looks like XBOX is giving you the chance to be a bit more creative.

    Of course, this is all opinion and conjecture…

  52. yourbffjill says:

    so just because some ignorant people complain about it means he has to remove it? what if someone makes a name that identifies them as hispanic, or black, and then a bunch of racist idiots complain about it? Would they make that person change their name too?

    there’s nothing even remotely offensive of obscene about that name.

    and this argument people are trying to make about “the children!!” does not make sense. someone merely identifying themselves as gay is not damaging to a child unless the parents make it so.

  53. celestebai says:

    Most games with censoring censor the word ‘gay’ in any context because they can’t monitor it’s usage. If XBox Live has a censor, and one of the words is gay, then you can be reported for using the word in your name. All-inclusive censoring. May suck to the few people who want to use it in it’s correct context, but I guess they feel that it’s worth the risk to censor the slur. So dumb as it is, I think XBox Live has it right on this one.

    I think it’s sad that the word is a slur in the first place.

  54. mike says:

    @SkokieGuy: I want a dollar anytime anyone says anything offensive to anyone.

  55. yourbffjill says:

    @yourbffjill: *offensive OR obscene. duh.

  56. MayorBee says:

    @linus: Shouldn’t a name you get to choose be somewhat meaningful to you and perhaps descriptive? Is XboxLive now the creativity police?

  57. ftrain says:

    We think you deserve a better explanation than this. Despite what this Xbox Live CSR told you, we’re not convinced that it’s the “greater Xbox community’s” job to classify offensive material.

    Well it is. There are too many gamers (i think over 10 million) for their support staff to police. So it is up to the gaming community to self-police and report on offensive things for investigation. When you file a complaint there is an option to note gamertag as offensive. Now, if there enough complaints file against a particular gamer then MS has to listen and do something about it.

    There are many threads on the xbox live forum of gamers complaining that their gamertag is not offensive and some people will agree and others will not. But the Xbox live staff will stand by their decision.

  58. metaled says:

    @MayorBee: As for “GayBasher”, if you think that there’s a parallel between choosing a name that describes yourself and a name that describes a hate crime, then you have more serious issues.

    So you take offense at a name that perhaps a gay person might choose, that might have just gone by the name Basher? You took offense at a name without even considering what it could mean. Can you see how the community might have a problem with some names?

    @HIV 2 Elway: Wow! And you suggest other people have an open mind?

    You just made the same generalization without knowing my race or Sexual orientation.(And no, I am not into Fuzzy, Tall, long tailed Horses or Zebras.) It proves the point that it is a problem not only with some people but with all. People will find reason to take offense no matter of race or sexual orientation. He should accept that someone is offended and change his name, it’s just a game, not a life changing experience.

  59. wdnobile says:

    @PsychicPsycho3:

    Actually, as I said in my post – ANY sexual preference , gender choice, or sexual content should not be allowed. Its NOT homophobia and I would not want to see “iloevgirls” “heteroking” or “assman” either. With certain games that have voice they say rating may change due to online experience. Parents can make an infomred choice not to let their children see or hear that content.

    Dont cry homophobia – thats NOT the case. Theres a time and a place. This isnt it. regardless of which gender you prefer to mate with.

  60. mike says:

    @yourbffjill: I hate that argument. You are just as guilty by saying that parents are “wrong” when you have no idea who they are.

  61. leastcmplicated says:

    wait, when did gay become a slur?? i could understand if he called himself theFAG/GOTgamer, but gay? honestly, what are gay people supposed to call themselves? If he were theSTRAIGHTgamer would he have gotten reprimanded? this is bs. Since when do we have to censor our kids from gay people… this is sad, as if M$ needed something else to lose my business.

  62. @SkokieGuy: I think it’s time for me to sit in the corner with my hot pink dunce hat…

    Do I get extra credit for working in theatre?

  63. DashTheHand says:

    I’m wondering why it matters so much to this guy that he publicly shows/tells everyone through his gamertag that he is, in fact, gay.

    When I’m playing in an online game I honestly don’t care if someone is gay, straight, or into humping sheep. I’m there to frag whoever is not on my team.

    In my mind the ONLY reason they picked that gamertag for a name is because they wanted the attention, and now that they have gotten said attention they’re using it to get even more attention in this so over-the-top extremely PC world we’re stuck in. The person just as easily could have chosen any other name that didn’t announce their sexuality, race, creed, or religion to the gaming masses and 99.9% sure that no one would have made a complaint.

  64. Greeper says:

    @SkokieGuy:

    No, I’m not wondering how to deal with them. In general I think it’s kind of funny, if a little tragic. THe number one insult on Halo is gay/fag. I usually let them know they are playing with a fag and normally they don’t believe me, or they shut up, or they say something like, Sorry, or That’s cool, or something conciliatory and normal.

  65. mike says:

    @MayorBee: Well, I like to think of GamerTags this way:

    You don’t get to pick your name when you’re born. You don’t get to pick when you’re born. So, why not be creative when picking a gamer tag?

    Not everyone is creative. But you have to admit that there are some lame gamertags out there.

    Again, this is a lighthearted opinion. :-)

  66. mike says:

    @DashTheHand: Here here!

    You’re not on XBOX to find someone to date. You’re on XBOX to frag someone! Kill, mame, destroy with utter humiliation!!

    (I’m a sane gamer, really)

  67. SonicMan says:

    @MayorBee: Huh? Did you mean to reply to me? I did not mention anything about how well someone played.

  68. Tallanvor says:

    @SonicMan: The parents who want to stop kids from seeing any pro-homosexual messages in games are probably the same ones who are taking their kids to church where preachers bash homosexuals.

    Especially in America, the so-called “land of the free”, nobody should ever have to hide who they are.

    Can Microsoft legally take this action? Yes, most likely, since they’re a private company. But just because something is legal, that doesn’t mean it’s right.

  69. Toof_75_75 says:

    This is the gayest post ever…

  70. yourbffjill says:

    @hollywood2590: good lord “gay” and “retarded” are not even close to the same thing, connotation-wise.

    you really think that his name is homophobic? the only thing homophobic about this situation is the group of people whining to xbox. and, apparently, you.

    if he was straight and picked that name, I, and most likely many others, would not be condemning him, we’d all be saying, “I don’t really understand why he picked that name, but I don’t see what’s so bad about it.”

    I love when people hop on consumerist, say something really stupid and then call everyone else morons. Warms my heart.

  71. SkokieGuy says:

    @CaptainSemantics: Hot pink is so 5 minutes ago. Puce! Puce is the new pink.

    ________________________________

    Really the whole discussion truly is about the power we give words. In my perfect world, words don’t have power, it’s the meaning behind the words (intent) and the actions of the person that truly matter.

    It’s easy for a clever wordsmith to avoid un-PC language, yet still be (intent and actions) violently racist, homophobic, etc.

    Think anti-gay legislation being called “Defense of Marriage Act”. Think of Peacekeeping Missles. Think of the N word having both negative meanings (KKK) or affectionate meanings, (when used within the African American community). Look at Hillary’s campaign not talking about “Gee, Obama gets a lot of the African American Vote and I get a lot of the white vote”. No, instead we hear of Hillary’s “working class voters” and Obama’s “urban” support. Racism and many other isms are dead, we’re just trying to be more polite about it. I’d rather have someone call me a fucking faggot and show their true colors than to couch their language delicately.

    It won’t happen, but wouldn’t it be nice if we judged people on who and what they were (difficult and requires thoughtful analysis and time) instead of having language police (easy – oooh he said a BAD word).

  72. Consumer007 says:

    @wdnobile: GAYER can mean many things, you homophobe. Sexual orientation is not the same thing as talking about sex positions or using four letter words. What’s next, are you going to ban rainbow words, pride words and purple and pink words and Tinky-Winky?

    Maybe if people aren’t ready to explain things to kids they shouldn’t be parents. That’s kind of their job.

  73. MayorBee says:

    @metaled:

    So you take offense at a name that perhaps a gay person might choose, that might have just gone by the name Basher? You took offense at a name without even considering what it could mean. Can you see how the community might have a problem with some names?

    You say “bomb” in an airport, even thought you may not be talking about bombing a plane, you’re going to be detained. You say “GayBasher”, whether or not you’re a gay person and you like bashing, and people will assume that you’re talking about bashing gays. Additionally, how many gay people would go by “GayBasher”? It’s called common sense.

    He should accept that someone is offended and change his name, it’s just a game, not a life changing experience.

    The next time you’re discriminated against, called a slur, or told you’re not good enough and are forced to change something that you see as a part of you, see how you like being told to get over it and it’s “not a life changing experience”.

    By requiring a name change, MS is saying that there’s something wrong with being gay, even though the specific rep he talked to on the phone doesn’t think so.

  74. Nighthawke says:

    So, if I reg my nick with them, I’ll be barred for embracing the darkness?

  75. tinyrobot says:

    The term gay, used by non-homophobes or gays themselves is as much a part of the common parlance (at least here in Brooklyn) as straight, male, female, democrat or republican. Recognizing it as offensive is IHMO giving too much ground to the majority homophobic faction on Xbox Live, which becomes a putrid, toxic and abusive environment as soon as you put on the headset. Microsoft’s choice in this case recognizes the homophobia of the Live community as a legitimate sensitivity that needs to be catered to.

    You want proof? Just watch this Halo 3 from Xbox Love user GayBoy (language NSFW):

  76. BlondeGrlz says:

    @CaptainSemantics: If it’s musical theatre I think you win by default and I hereby crown you queen of this discussion. I curtsey to you.

  77. yourbffjill says:

    @linus: how is that wrong? if a child overhears someone say “I’m gay” and it–I don’t know, what are people complaining about here will happen to the children? will it corrupt them? will it hurt them? If it affects the child negatively at all, how is that not the fault of the environment they are raised in? a child who grows up learning that being gay is a real thing that is perfectly normal and nothing to be ashamed of will not even flinch when someone says they are gay.

    I don’t see how that’s wrong. Parents who are bigots raise children who are bigots. I’ve yet to meet someone super homophobic who did not grow up in an equally homophobic environment.

  78. mariospants says:

    I’m very open-minded but I don’t see why anybody should pitch their sexual preferences in an online pseudonym. On one hand many people will consider the name to be derogatory (“that’s so gay” – and even gay people should dislike that interpretation) and on the other, it advertises your sexual preference which – on a gaming system which is accessed by young children whose parents are most likely not interested in broaching the subject of sex let alone gay sex – is just superfluous and incites people (some who want to meet you and the others who are homophobic).

    Seriously, get over it. Microsoft did the right thing.

  79. Consumer007 says:

    @wdnobile: Grow up. People should be able to use what they want as long as it’s not a four letter word or graphic sex acts. GAYER is not graphic.

    Where the hell do certain people get off demanding a perfect straight white christian world and then attacking the rest of the world because how dare it not be what they expect?

    I am so sick of Straight White Right-Wing Aryan Christio-Fascism.

  80. omgyouresexy says:

    As a side note, I tried to name my Rock Band character Sven Jargisbarr or somethign pretty close to that spelling and it got blocked for indecency…

    soo, anyone know what that might be? I’m sure their just being extra protective trying to provide a youth-friendly community.

  81. MayorBee says:

    @SonicMan: I meant to reply to you, but normally when people use the word gay as a bad thing when they’re playing, they mean the person is playing poorly. Sorry for the confusion in my reply.

    @linus: I would think that being able to be descriptive in your gamertag makes up for not getting to name yourself when you’re born. That’s just my opinion though, but I don’t think MS should require a name change on grounds of “not creative enough”.

  82. Southern says:

    Besides, I’ll bet that XBox Live requires parental permission for people under 18, so if the parents don’t want their children to understand the reality of the world, then they shouldn’t let them use the service.

    So you believe that no one under the age of 18 should be playing games online so people can create Gamertags that have no business on a service like that? If you wanted to create a name like that here, no problem. Would you do the same on the Disney Channel site? Probably not, and I can almost guarantee you that they would ban that name, as well.

    Frankly, I couldn’t (personally) care less what gamertag someone uses — I don’t even OWN a 360. :p But there is a time and a place for that type of thing, and XBox Live ain’t it. No other online service (Electronic Arts, Blizzard (WoW), DAoC, etc) allows most of the names mentioned in this thread either, so I wouldn’t consider this strictly a “microsoft” issue.

    TBH, I don’t even know why this is even on Consumerist. Slow news day?

  83. A lot of people use terms like “gay” offensively online, and use it to bash homosexuals. That’s probably why the tag was banned.
    @Tallanvor:

    Especially in America, the so-called “land of the free”, nobody should ever have to hide who they are.

    What about the Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints down in TX? Pedophiles? Nice sentiment, but your statement needs to be qualified.

    @DashTheHand:

    In my mind the ONLY reason they picked that gamertag for a name is because they wanted the attention, and now that they have gotten said attention they’re using it to get even more attention in this so over-the-top extremely PC world we’re stuck in.

    Agreed.

    Using that argument is just a thinly veiled excuse for saying it’s okay to be homophobic.

    I really hate the word “homophobic”. If someone has a personal moral objection to homosexuality, is that really tantamount to a psychological fear? I’m going to start calling people “Christphobic” when I read anti-Christian rants on the various Gawker sites, k?

    It’s amazing theat the many of the “open minded” are so judgmental and hostile when anyone varies from their enlightened viewpoint.

  84. Consumer007 says:

    @wdnobile: Your argument makes about as much sense as a system admin who hates the color purple and purges all user names with any purple reference. They hate purple so much they make sure their kids never own anything purple, tear the purple crayons out of the box, and shield their kids eyes whenever they see anything purple in the store.

    Purple is evil! Stop the purple people! Pass anti-purple laws.

    Ludicrous, offensive and a waste of time.

  85. @Consumer007:

    I am so sick of Straight White Right-Wing Aryan Christio-Fascism.

    Christophobe!

  86. SonicMan says:

    @MayorBee: I have a live friend that went by the name TOKEN. (as in token black guy)

    He is an Africican american. Others took offence and got his name banned.

    I also had Friends force to change there Mottos, because some too offence to (Support Bush) as there motto.

    Im not even sure if Xbox really cares what the name is. I think they just go by the number of complaints.

    Im sure that if you got the tag “Nice Person” that if enough people complained, that tag would get banned too.

  87. Consumer007 says:

    @InfiniTrent: Okay, how about “bigoted”, do you like that word? It’s almost the same as “homophobic”, just more general but having the same characteristics.

    Generally speaking, no, it’s not okay to prejudge anyone based on terms or falsely religious reasons.

    Jesus didn’t hate gays, why do you?

  88. Echomatrix says:

    what about a name like MexicanHero? What if the guy was from Mexico and people found that offensive. Sounds kinda racist.

    Especially since my friends name is AmericanHero

  89. MayorBee says:

    @mariospants:

    I’m very open-minded but…

    Whenever I see this, my mind automatically replaces it with “I’m not racist but…” or “Some of my best friends are black!”.

    Choosing a gamertag with “gay” in it is not advertising. It’s describing who you are. Obviously it was important enough for the OP to choose what he did. Just having “gay” does not mean “gay sex”, that’s just what the homophobic clergymen would have you believe.

  90. klusta says:

    This reminds me of the time my friend’s ID “FistMe2332″ was refused. I mean, what do they have against boxing instructors?

  91. jeff303 says:

    I guess Microsoft doesn’t want happy players.

  92. SonicMan says:

    @MayorBee: Ahh, ok. I meant my post as someone “Acting gay, the steriotype” Making fun of homosexuals. So basically just being a jerk online. So homo or hetero sexuals would want the guy banned.

    But I see what you mean.

  93. Consumer007 says:

    @InfiniTrent: I don’t hate Jesus, just right wing-straight Aryan fascists who think it’s okay to attack maim and kill anyone different from them and call it religion.

  94. MayorBee says:

    @SonicMan: I agree. XboxLive probably does not have people actively policing the gamertags and bans names based on number of complaints. I don’t see anything wrong with what your friends/acquaintances had for their gamertags and mottos. I think that MS should have the power to override the forced change. That’s what should have happened in this instance.

  95. BeastMD says:

    The thing is, there is an option on the XBOX to file a complaint about someones gamertag and I am sure once you get to a certain threshold that the system just punts your gamertag and sends you message to change it. Its completely automated as far as I can see. So if the community finds it offensive regardless of what it is, tough luck. Its the same for any tag so I don’t think XBOX has any responsibility to say its OK while the community itself found it offensive.

  96. exkon says:

    @BeastMD:

    I’ve always wondered about this, and I doubt it’s fully automated.

    I believe that once a gamertag reaches a certain threshold, it’s flagged for review by one of the XBL staff. I mean there are people trying to get their name reported on, so they can change their gamertag for free.

  97. EyeHeartPie says:

    @InfiniTrent:

    It’s amazing theat the many of the “open minded” are so judgmental and hostile when anyone varies from their enlightened viewpoint.

    I’ve noticed that many people who describe themselves as open-minded in an online forum are usually quite the opposite. I’ve heard self-styled open-minded people bash religious people because they are “idiots for believing in an imaginary friend in the sky”. When I ask them how that viewpoint is open-minded, I am attacked and ridiculed for sympathizing with religious crazies.

    On topic, if the guy wants to describe himself as gay, why not? After all, my gamertag (same as my Consumerist SN) describes me pretty well :P

  98. muckpond says:

    i’m just thrilled to know i’m not the only ghey on xbox live. :)

  99. apotheosis says:

    I knew there was a streak of hetero-centric anti-gay fascism embedded in the very soul of xbox the first time I saw someone in Halo squat-humping another guy’s face off.

  100. @Consumer007:

    Okay, how about “bigoted”, do you like that word? It’s almost the same as “homophobic”, just more general but having the same characteristics.

    Generally speaking, no, it’s not okay to prejudge anyone based on terms or falsely religious reasons.

    Jesus didn’t hate gays, why do you?

    My issue is with the word “homophobic”. I see that term as just as derogatory as “fag”, just directed towards a different group.

    I’m fully aware that Jesus didn’t hate gays – his command was to love everyone. You think that I hate gays – why? Or were you just “prejudging me” based on your preconceived notions of what a Christian is?

  101. CharlieInSeattle says:

    @metaled: Maybe if your a homophobe.

  102. moore850 says:

    they have to ban words like that, because otherwise someone could put as their name, “joeisgay”, and then how horrible would joe feel all the time when he saw that in the name list? Oh wait, gay’s not an insult. they should allow that word and ban the other one.

  103. @Consumer007:

    I don’t hate Jesus, just right wing-straight Aryan fascists who think it’s okay to attack maim and kill anyone different from them and call it religion.

    I’d agree with you on that one. There’s certainly no excuse for that.

    Such “bigotry” certainly isn’t limited to those who call themselves “Christians”, though.

  104. DCGaymer says:

    They wouldn’t accept “DCGaymer” as a name either. In fact most messageboard systems won’t accept anything with the name Gay in it….even if your first or last name is Gay, Gayner, Gaymen. It’s a bassackward prtoection to keep adolescents from using the term in a negative way, sadly it also stops people from using it in a positive way. Idiots and their filters.

  105. CharlieInSeattle says:

    Get a PS3.

  106. @BlondeGrlz:
    LOL. I actually knew all these. (Renews my gay card for another year.)

  107. Dobernala says:

    @Consumer007: What are you blathering on about? I’m not even sure where to start with this. Whatever you’re trying to imply, its wrong.

  108. MayorBee says:

    @sinfuly Delicious: Do I know you? Are you still living in Austin?

  109. muddgirl says:

    This has been said a bunch, but I don’t think XBox is trying to stop people from indentifying themselves as gay; they are trying to stop adolescents and grown men who act like adolecents from using “gay” as a perjorative word that means “bad”. It sucks that this is what the US has come to, but we’ve got to take responsibility for our own immaturity and latent bigotry.

  110. theblackdog says:

    And people wonder why Nintendo hasn’t enabled voice in their online play for Wii…

  111. apotheosis says:

    If I play wii and use “gay” in my mii name, do I get awarded for irony or debited for redundancy?

  112. metaled says:

    @MayorBee: The next time you’re discriminated against, called a slur, or told you’re not good enough and are forced to change something that you see as a part of you, see how you like being told to get over it and it’s “not a life changing experience”.
    By requiring a name change, MS is saying that there’s something wrong with being gay, even though the specific rep he talked to on the phone doesn’t think so.

    MayorBee, I do deal with it! Everyone is against me (tinfoil hat). My example is that my first name is only 2 letters long. My REAL, LEGAL name. Try logging onto a website that requires you to enter your first and last name (as part of the registration) or even try ordering something over the internet. All the God-Powered programmers in the world think that no-one would have a first name that is only 2 characters long, so they think you are entering random strings or trying to hack their systems. Not all systems are like this, but they are becoming more prevalent.
    The result is that it gets kicked back as invalid to be used on a system. I end up adding a character or joining my first and middle names. Get’s to be real fun when I have to show ID to pick something up at the P.O. and my ID does not match or even worse when I cannot order something over the internet because the system will not accept the name on my credit card, or the name I use to get the order to go through will does not match the one on my CC and my order is declined. This is only the beginning of these horror tales. Don’t even tell me about descrimination, the whole friggin internet is against me! FOR REAL! HeHe.
    If his only headache is that he can’t use a gamertag he wants, try using a REAL name no-one will accept! I’ve learned to live with it, I don’t cry foul and blow it out of proportion. Change the name and enjoy the system. GEEZE!

  113. Rask says:

    Frankly I don’t understand the need for certain members of the gay community to go screaming off every possible rooftop about their sexual identity.

    Face it, your gamertag isn’t an opportunity to describe yourself or promote your beliefs.

    I’m sure that is someone used the nickname “JesusSucks” or “AbortionISEvil”, they would be greeted with the same type of treatment.

    MS isn’t trying to discriminate against you, they’re trying to create a family friendly, pleasant and very neutral environment.

  114. dualityshift says:

    What you people ‘feel’ about the topic is irrelevant. It’s Microsoft’s playground, and they set the rules as they see fit. Don’t like it? Don’t use the system.

    The name ban system is based on how often your gamertag gets noted as ‘offensive.’ This isn’t a hidden feature, or a secret cult, out to get minorities, or people already subjugated.

    As for the ‘think of the children…’ Maybe if we all thought of the children a bit more, and about our own sense of entitlement less, maybe society wouldn’t look so bad from here.

  115. MrEvil says:

    There is an option to rep someone on Xbox live and the category is….offensive name. Grant probably had several players neg-rep him for his name.

    As far as explaining a homosexual to say a 7 year old, I think it’s the biggoted parents that have a harder time explaining it than the innocent child understanding and accepting it. Remember, prejudice in any form is a LEARNED behavior.

    You don’t have to get into the mechanics of homosexual copulation to explain to a child what being gay is. The explanation I got from my parents when I was a kid was pretty simple and to the point. It’s when two men or two women love each other the same way mothers and fathers do. I thought it was odd and when I asked why, they said “because everybody is different”. After that I thought nothing more of the matter. No need for hate spin, and no need to go into details.

  116. joeld82 says:

    I believe there are two problems here. Others have mentioned the fact that the complaint system is most likely automated, and whenever someone’s gamertag receives a certain amount of complaints they’re flagged for a ban.

    The other (and larger) part of the problem seems to be that the Xbox Live user base seems to consist of 13-17 males. I’m purely speculating that they’re the majority of players based on my own experience on Live, and if that isn’t the case then they’re without question the vocal minority.

    They’re the players that are constantly screaming “faggot” and “nigger” via the microphone and I’m fairly certain that a) they don’t submit complaints on each other for gay bashing and racisms and b) the other players are apathetic enough to not file complaints against them for their unacceptable behavior.

  117. @MayorBee: I’m with Wormfather here. When I saw “theGAYERgamer” I assumed it was a straight guy using it as an self-deprecating insult.

    Why? Because straight guys call each other gay. As an insult. A lot. It’s a complex word and the problem surrounding it is subtle. On the one hand, it’s a word that bullies use to belittle targets. On the other hand, I don’t know very many gay people but I hear they’re cool with being called gay.

    I wouldn’t make my screen name “theSTRAIGHTERgamer” or “theWHITERgamer”, even though I am in fact straight and white. So I don’t see why a gay person would chose the name “theGAYERgamer”.

    @Black Bellamy: Every time some ignorant dipshit makes a judgement call that “gay” offends someone is just adding fuel to the fires of hate.

    It’s logical to think that gay people wouldn’t like “gay” being thrown around as a synonym for “stupid” or “not manly enough”. (No more than black people like niggardly being thrown around―oh wait, that’s right, it has nothing to do with another, similar-looking word.)

    Also, as an analogy, I assume “niggawithattitude” would be flagged as offensive, even though it might well be a black person who’s a fan of N.W.A.

    Better to be circumspect in choosing a screen name. Maybe avoid politically-charged words.

  118. MSUHitman says:

    Uhh anyone can file a complaint against an XBox Live user. You just go to their gamercard and hit file complaint. It can be for gamertag/profile content, behavior in-game, or sending vulgar/harassing messages or pictures over Live.

    Someone saw this gamertag and filed a complaint hence why “the greater XBox community” found it offensive. I’ve never played this person (I play CoD 4 much more than Halo 3) but if I saw this gamertag, I would have filed the complaint myself. I just filed a complaint last night on someone called “The Ovary Puncher.”

  119. MayorBee says:

    @metaled: So as a person that has experienced such discrimination, albeit of a different kind, you think it’s an appropriate response to tell him to “deal with it”? As that person, I’d think you’d have a little more compassion toward someone, but I guess I’m wrong about that. Or maybe it isn’t as big a deal to you as it is to us gays.

    Are you the happy happy fun guy that tells people to just pay the fees when they post on Consumerist about a company that bilks their customers? Are you on Bank of America’s payroll? Do you get picked for Best Buy’s focus groups? I thought Consumerist was about bringing an iniquity to light and possibly making the company change, not laying down and taking it in the a…whoops, too gay…I mean submitting to the company’s will.

  120. witeowl says:

    @yourbffjill: Are you really unaware that people use the word “gay” as an insult? Sure, it has a legitimate meaning, just as “retarded” does, but that doesn’t stop idiots from using it as an insult.

    I cringe everytime I hear a student use it that way. I may have finally found the solution, though: I equate it to using the word “black” as an insult. How stupid would someone look if he/she said, “Ugh, that’s so black!” (The momentary look of shock at my example makes quick way to a look of realization.)

    The real affront is that the word is ever used as an insult. On a related note, I was listening for the hoofbeats of the four horsemen when I was channel-flipping and happened to catch a snippet of Flavor Flav actually saying something coherent about why people shouldn’t use the word “ghetto” as an insult.

    Ultimately, how is X-Box going to tell when someone is using the word in a positive/neutral way, and when someone is using it in an insulting/idiotic way? Hint: they can’t, so they have to be over-cautious.

  121. theblackdog says:

    I’m of the school that usernames are not the place to be making statements about your beliefs, personality, sexuality, or politics.

    I’m going with XBL on this one, change your name Mr. OP.

    Though I have to wonder if they would mistake TheBlackDog as offensive…

  122. Consumer007 says:

    @BeastMD: Um no, it shouldn’t be tough luck and this kind of automation put in place without a brain should not be okay – leaves it open to racist complaints, sexist complaints, etc.

    Mob rule is never a good system admin policy. Period. A human needs to govern whether complaints are fair and valid before acting on them.

  123. dry-roasted-peanuts says:

    Just change it to PeckerLover and claim you are an Ornithologist.

  124. Trai_Dep says:

    On related news, “Nappyheadplayah”, “Slantyeyedplayah”, and “Twatplayah” were also disallowed as screennames once flagged by the community.
    Sigh. The really kewl things about 12-year-olds is that they’re 12-year-olds.
    The really sucky things about 12-year-olds? Yup: they’re 12-year-olds.
    …Even the 24-year-old ones.

  125. Asvetic says:

    What does being gay have to do with gaming?

  126. yourbffjill says:

    @witeowl: of course not. but calling someone who is attracted to people of the same sex “gay”, and calling someone who has a mental/physical disorder “retarded” are still two entirely different things.

  127. Consumer007 says:

    @dualityshift: Um yeah whatever – corporations don’t just get to violate laws and trash people and say “deal with it”. Or “if you don’t like it leave”. That’s the whole point – if you deal with the public, then you deal with every different flavor, shape, color, lifestyle. If you play in the public sphere and benefit from their business, you don’t get to discriminate.

  128. Geekybiker says:

    While it’s sad that enough people found “gay” to be offensive enough to get the tag banned, I applaud MS removing tags that get alot of reports. There is only so much that the filters can catch. I once reported a spelling variant of “nigger killer” and it was removed within a day or two. It didn’t help that this person was nasty in game play as well as tag.

  129. MayorBee says:

    @Rask:

    Face it, your gamertag isn’t an opportunity to describe yourself or promote your beliefs.

    Then why do they allow you to choose a gamertag at all? Why not just some random number? That would make more sense if your gamertag isn’t supposed to be descriptive of you.

    @Michael Belisle: I can see how someone might make that mistake, but the person he spoke to at MS should have been able to override the ban. Why punish an innocent person for someone else’s mistake? More than likely, his name was flagged because 13 year old kids really hate getting killed by a gay.

  130. Consumer007 says:

    @metaled: ” Change the name and enjoy the system. GEEZE”

    No, they should change the system so people can enjoy the game.

  131. MercuryPDX says:

    @MayorBee: That’s to say “YOU” don’t find it offensive. I know some that do.

    Also, your “B-P word” and “P-B word” references have me intrigued.

  132. scarysnow says:

    Pointed out before, but…

    As long as people are playing GTA4, I’d say anything goes. What’s the point in splitting hairs?

  133. MayorBee says:

    @MercuryPDX: I’ll agree that there are probably some gay people (who aren’t closeted) that don’t like being called gay. I do believe the vast majority of gay people don’t mind being called gay when it’s used to mean homosexual, not misused as “stupid”.

    Those other two words were my attempt to inject a little humor into a thread I knew would, at some time or another, upset me. They’re “pillow biter” and “butt pirate”.

  134. Consumer007 says:

    By the way, I’ve notified ACLU and Human Rights Campaign – hope they get a lot of bad publicity out of this…

  135. SinisterMatt says:

    @InfiniTrent:

    “I’m going to start calling people “Christphobic” when I read anti-Christian rants on the various Gawker sites, k?”

    LOL. I’m going to join you. We’ll start a movement (I’m being sarcastic here). I too find the term “homophobic” offensive. It’s a convenient classification to demonize and lump together people who disagree with you, whether or not they have an irrational, pathological and psychological fear of homosexuals. It’s like calling someone a fascist when they exhibit no attributes of fascism: a convenient personal attack to confuse the issue.

    Anyway, while I agree that gay people should have equal, basic human rights (though I disagree that some things like marriage constitute a basic right, but that is an argument for another time) I have to side with Microsoft on this one. It has set it up so that XBox Live gamertags are to be policed by the community. In a sense, it’s “crowdsourcing.” No matter where you use “crowdsourcing,” what the majority says is going to be the standard to go by. If more people reported people employing the term “that’s so gay” to describe something bad as offensive, I’m sure people would be booted for using it. That’s just the way majority rule works.

    Also, even if you identify yourself as a homosexual, is that the only way that you identify yourself? When you introduce yourself to strangers, do you always without fail say “I’m gay” straight up without any lead in? Of course not. People generally start with their name and maybe their profession or where they are from, though the latter depends on the circumstances. Sexual orientation only generally is worked in if there is a need. My point is that there are other ways people identify themselves, not just sexual orientation, so why not use that and avoid controversy?

    Just my $0.02. Cheers!

  136. Consumer007 says:

    @Rask: Um who says usernames aren’t and shouldn’t be an expression of oneself and beliefs? I use Consumer007 on here and just about everywhere else because I believe the consumer should generally always prevail, and I’m pretty good at it myself, and I like businesses to take notice when they see the name, hence I use it. Everyone picks a name with some significance to themselves, and many where they make it obvious to others. Who are you to say they shouldn’t or can’t? Do you also write to email domains complaining when anyone uses a personalized name?

    How about their parents for naming them inappropriately?

    Who died and made you the username God?

  137. Southern says:

    I wouldn’t make my screen name “theSTRAIGHTERgamer” or “theWHITERgamer”, even though I am in fact straight and white. So I don’t see why a gay person would chose the name “theGAYERgamer”.

    Well put, Michael.

    I also wish to point out that this thread epitomizes the reason WHY most online games (and message boards) don’t allow names like this — it’s not that they’re necessarily offensive, but that they’re highly controversial and “Flame Fest Oriented”. Most companies don’t want to dedicate the type of resources neccessary to “police” that type of thing, so they blanket-ban them almost by default.

  138. chartrule says:

    that tag is pretty tame compared to some of the tags out there.

    there are quite a few racially motivated / hurtful tags on the live console games.

  139. witeowl says:

    @yourbffjill: True, thanks to a recent semantics movement, we now say that a person “has mental retardation” rather than using the previously medically accurate term of retarded for a person with limited cognitive and adaptive abilities. In fact, many caring professionals in the field would still say, with absolutely no malice, that a person with mental retardation is “retarded”. (I wouldn’t, but I went through school just as the people first movement was gaining widespread acceptance.)

    So, the two have very similar situations. Both “gay” and “retarded” can be used in a completely neutral and factual manner when used accurately. Both “gay” and “retarded” can be used in a completely insulting and offensive manner when used as an insult (regardless of the target).

    Ask 100 12-year-olds what’s worse: being called “gay” or being called “retarded” and I bet you get a 50-50 split.

  140. Wormfather says:

    I’m so confused, I have often been told that the word “gay” is impolite, now I’m being told that the technecal term homosexual is wrong as well. What do you people want to be called?

    Oh fucksticks I just said “you people”.

    /sarcasm

    Or is this like me and the term african-american. I really find no use for that fabricated pc term. Just call me black, it’s ok, I’m cool with it.

  141. MayorBee says:

    @SinisterMatt: There is a huge issue in only allowing a majority rules system. By that reasoning, any majority rules type of environment is automatically also a “minority loses” environment.
    It’s good for some things, especially informally. Going out for lunch with the department? Take a quick vote and see who wants to go where. That’s absolutely fine.
    It’s not so good for other things. Don’t like people having a voice? Gerrymander voting districts so each district will have a majority voice that disenfranchises what would have been a “minority-majority”. That way you get the people in office that support your views. It worked in Texas a few years back.

    I agree that there are other ways of describing yourself, but why should you be limited as to what particular trait you can use to do so? I’m a gay accountant. If I used that as my gamertag, would it get banned? What about just “accountant”? Where do you draw the line? As long as it’s not something filthy or illegal, what’s wrong with it? Other than the morality police don’t like it, I mean.

  142. hollywood2590 says:

    Haha. This IS homophobic should read
    ISN’T homophobic. In reference to a person claiming forcing him to change his name is such. I was going to edit it after I posted but that wasn’t an option and I figured people could figure it out from the context of the rest of the post. Guess not.

  143. MayorBee says:

    @Wormfather: LOL @ “you people”. Personally, I couldn’t care less what people call me. Homo, gay, fag, nancy boy, poof, sissy, etc. I do realize that some of those are offensive to some people, though. I don’t think the majority of gay people are offended by being called homosexual or gay, though.

  144. patgillen says:

    It’s definitely not a “don’t ask” situation… many people use those phrases in a derogatory manner and there’s no way of managing them. As a joke, I tried to change a friends clan tag to ‘GAY’ while he was away and it was banned (understandably)

    Thegayergamer needs to play me in a game of Call of Duty and we’ll go ahead and settle the score. :)

  145. SinisterMatt says:

    @MayorBee:

    I agree. I never said that it was a good system or that I agreed with it, except in informal situations as you mentioned. Excluding anyone is never a good thing no matter what you do. Someone above said that “mob rule is never a good thing.” Quite so.

    Where to draw the line is always a difficult proposition, as what is offensive or filthy is very subjective from one person to another. For example, I find pornography filthy and wrong, something that should be shunned at all costs. I would be willing to bet, though, that there are not a few people here who would disagree with me. Who do you satisfy? Crowdsourcing is one way to handle it, but then you offend the minority.

    It would be better, IMHO, if Microsoft came up with predefined rules for what you could and could not use in a username (i.e. nothing rascist or anything at all referring to sex), and stick to their guns with that policy.

    Cheers!

  146. SinisterMatt says:

    @SinisterMatt:

    Of course, I don’t play XBox, so they may have this kind of policy already and I don’t know about it.

  147. WingZero987 says:

    Microsoft is in the right here. Moore850 hit it on the head. Stuff XBL is too large to handle on a case-by-case basis, and how does on prove their sexuality? Either all references of “gay” are ok, or none are. Considering the context created by the online community on XBL, it’s safe to say that banning the reference is the right play.

  148. mac-phisto says:

    @SinisterMatt: all supposition here, but i think they most likely have a list of ban words & derivatives & then add to it as they receive complaints.

  149. macinjosh says:

    @thesabre:
    p-b: a term that includes that cushy bed product you put your head on.
    b-p: a term that includes Jack Sparrow’s occupation

  150. meadandale says:

    I’m constantly amazed at the fact that gay people feel the need to advertise their ‘gayness’ to anyone and everyone.

    Noone feels the need to use the login “theHETEROgamer”.

    Get over it and stop broadcasting your sexual preference like it’s a badge of honor…

  151. katylostherart says:

    um… people are stupid. i wonder if he can put “not straight” somewhere in the name and have that be ok. doesn’t that qualify as discrimination then? could be a fun frivolous lawsuit.

  152. Scuba Steve says:

    @Southern:
    It is against the terms of use for a minor to use the xbox live system.

  153. Toof_75_75 says:

    @macinjosh:
    HAHA Well described.

    This is such a stupid topic…

  154. macinjosh says:

    Bob Kelly better change his clan tag!

    lingerlonger

  155. MayorBee says:

    @SinisterMatt: I agree with what you wrote 100%. I think you think that the term “gay” automatically denotes sex and is thus a sexual term, whereas I feel it only means a man who can be attracted to another man.

    I, myself, am fine with pornography and don’t care in the slightest what other people like watching. I am, however, perfectly cognizant that not everyone feels that way and that some are vehemently opposed to it. Therefore, I would support rules forbidding pornographic materials from being displayed (in a public or semi-public forum) where people might be offended. I wouldn’t support rules banning the word “gay” from a username used non derogatorily, especially because (IMHO) a person is born that way.

  156. WingZero987 says:

    @MayorBee: You’re missing the context created by the community. Whether you like it or not, “gay” means something very different in the online gaming community and it’s best that it’s kept out.

  157. Greeper says:

    Is this a bad time to ask where the sniper rifle is in the new Standoff map?

  158. Southern says:

    It is against the terms of use for a minor to use the xbox live system.

    Sorry Steve, but that’s incorrect.

    It IS against the Terms of Service for someone under 18 to create a SERVICE account (because this required a Credit Card, most likely), but the owner of that service account is free to create Associated User Accounts for minors within the household (although Microsoft does explicitly say, “The Service accessed through an original Xbox console is not intended for children under 13.”)

    The whole paragraph is under Section 5 at [www.xbox.com]

  159. MayorBee says:

    @katylostherart: Who said anything about a lawsuit? Unfortunately it’s all too legal in the US to discriminate based on sexual orientation. The only real weapons we have against corporations who practice this kind of discrimination are creating public relations issues and consumer backlash.

    @meadandale:

    Get over it and stop broadcasting your sexual preference like it’s a badge of honor…

    You know, it’s only straight people who haven’t been discriminated against that ever say that. What’s wrong with being proud of who you are? Are you going to tell Celtics fans that “Irish Pride” is wrong next? Going to call into Larry King Live and ask why we have a Black History Month and protest it? What about Sarah in Accounts Receivable, are you going to ask her why she wears a cross? Why is she proud of her Christianity? If not, why is it cool to rag on the gays?

  160. yourbffjill says:

    @witeowl: but I don’t understand what that has to do with anything. people are trying to argue that if the guy was straight, that all of a sudden that name would be offensive. I still don’t see it. if someone who was not gay chose the name, I’d just wonder why in the hell they chose it, but I wouldn’t see anything offensive in it.

    a name that identifies yourself as gay, whether factual or not, is not offensive. of course it’s different if it’s directed at someone else, but that’s not the case here. banning a word just because it could possibly be offensive in some context does not make sense. neither does banning a name just because some random jerks have a problem with it.

  161. dugn says:

    MSFT is in the right.

    Unless the guy’s legal last name is Gayer, he doesn’t have a leg to stand on. He signed on using this service and the associated terms of service. This is part of what those terms entail.

  162. MayorBee says:

    @WingZero987: No, I don’t think I’m missing that. I think you’re missing the fact that MS, by not overriding the ban, perpetuates that being gay is a bad thing. Your kind of thinking “it means something different and should be kept out” causes stagnation. Things never change unless there is a momentum for change. Unless you’re fine with the status quo (i.e. “gay” being a bad word in the gaming community), your argument doesn’t make sense.

  163. Lousynixon says:

    It is offensive to people who actually try to respect other people. I for one have played with this person and left a Bad feedback for this name. Why? Because it was offensive, I don’t care what you do or who you are at the end of the day, HALO 3 is for playing a game against each other not preaching ones own thoughs and views about their life. Maybe a couple of the other 12 million xbox live users left bad feedback for your gamertag, maybe thats why the community chose your name to be unpleasant. Hey lets get singled out by calling oursleves gay and have every heterosexual male bash me for calling myself gay. I call my self Lousynixon, but I find it depressing when someone cant spell lousy and call it lossy or lucy.

  164. parad0x360 says:

    I myself am not offended but others could be. The point here is XBL is used by everyone from kids to adults, open to closed minded people and all races.

    You have to be respectful, or at least you should. The GT you picked could be considered as an insult to some people as well. Either way why do you feel the need to broadcast you’re gay if not for attention? Either way you got it.

    The XBL TOS also says something about no sexual references in a gamertag and while you didnt say penislovinggamer, you did make a semi sexual reference.

  165. MayorBee says:

    @dugn: The terms of service require your gamertag to be your last name? Actually, from [www.xbox.com]

    Your use of the Service is subject to the Code of Conduct. You also agree not to…
    -Create a Gamertag or use text other profile fields that may offend other members. This includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate any of the following: profane words/phrases, sexually explicit language, sexual innuendo, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities.

    Again, no one is saying it was illegal for MS to do what they did. What some of us are saying is that it was wrong for them to ban a name only because it had the word “gay” in it. If you think that the word “gay” means sex, then I would say that any gamertag with the word “son” or “daughter” also means sex because, hey, they had to get there somehow.

  166. @WingZero987: “Gay” means something very different in the online gaming community and it’s best that it’s kept out.

    Yup, in that community at least.

    @MayorBee: More than likely, his name was flagged because 13 year old kids really hate getting killed by a gay…. I think you’re missing the fact that MS, by not overriding the ban, perpetuates that being gay is a bad thing.

    I think this is highly unlikely. First of all, how would anyone know he’s gay? For all we know, he could be using “gayer” because
    • His last name is Gayer
    • It’s a recent non-sexual pejorative
    • He’s cheerful (dated)
    or
    • He’s gay

    Which one is it? Nobody knows. But people complained and Microsoft isn’t in the business of evaluating whether or not he’s insulting people or asserting his superior gayness. Like my buddy “niggawithattitude” (see above), it doesn’t matter whether or not he’s actually black. People will still find the name offensive, because that’s the nature of the word.

  167. nikkomorocco says:

    my friends name on xbox live is ‘throat coda’ and no one is swift enough to know what it means. you can use slurs and sexual innuendo, you just have to smooth about it.

  168. MayorBee says:

    @Michael Belisle: So if enough people reported the gamertag “BillGates” as offensive, it too would be shuffled off to the gamertag graveyard? Somehow I don’t think so. They do have latitude in these situations. They were unwilling to exercise that latitude in the OP’s situation, though.
    I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that the 12-14 year olds so prevalent in Halo 3 can connect “theGAYERgamer” with someone who is, in fact, gay. If you’re good in the game, you’ll also face complaints as a cheater. I, fortunately, don’t have that problem because I suck at Halo.

    Slightly off topic, I was at a restaurant and the waiter’s name was Gaylord. And he was gay. Flamingly gay. Oh hell, who am I kidding, that’s way off topic but I just felt like sharing.

  169. SonicMan says:

    @MayorBee: So you would be ok with people proclaiming White Pride. Or Male Pride?

    Of is that something that is only ok for a minotiry?

    HeteroGamer is ok by you?

  170. tevetorbes says:

    Um, I think what most people are missing here is the point.

    Saying that a gay person is gay is not offensive to said person. Saying that someone’s shirt is gay is offensive. We’ve been over this in the posts and I think the majority of level-headed people get the point.

    What is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE is the implication that other people would be offended that, GOD FORBID, someone is ACTUALLY GAY.

    Notice that we’re not concerned here about whether or not other GAY people are offended by the gamer tag (wake up: they aren’t.) We’re concerned with the “Greater XBox Community”, which, I’d venture to say, is probably majority heterosexual. So XBL’s concern is with offending STRAIGHT PEOPLE- its ok, in XBL’s opinion, that you’re gay, just don’t tell anyone- wouldn’t want Jimmy to know he’s playing a queer!

    Fucking seriously?

    That’s what the problem/tragedy of this situation is. No, its not the same if your gamertag is IHateTheGays or DieDarkies. Those are offensive and derogatory to HUMANS, not just gays or straights or whites or blacks or purples.

    What’s sad is that we’ll coddle the backward bum-fuck red state Amuricuns who would rather bitch about someone’s gamertag than actually play Halo with a gay person.

  171. SonicMan says:

    @MayorBee: Problem is. If they do that, then they open themselves up legally.

    So it they treat all the complaints the same, they are not open to lawsuits.

  172. SonicMan says:

    @tevetorbes: Everyone always seems to think its the bilble thumbers (red staters) that are doing this. Well those bible thumpers probably are not letting there kids online in these games. Or even let them have those games. Try Some other group.

  173. ThaneQue says:

    My son is 13 and just last week he had to change his gamer tag from “AdmiralFluffy” to something new because SOMEONE found it offensive. He added a number behind it and went on.

    What he discovered the next time he was playing COD4 was that there were gamers encouraging the other players to report tags as offensive when they lose to the other team. Kids being kids. “You killed me so I’m reporting you to the teacher.”

    BTW, the language on the headphones is far worse than the gamer tags ever could be.

  174. MayorBee says:

    @SonicMan: I have no problem with “HeteroGamer”. “White Pride” is more problematic because that has been used by certain regimes and groups of people as a way to discriminate against others. I don’t see what would be wrong with “Male Pride”, though.

    I don’t think being able to make exceptions would open them to liability. To that, I would say that, because of their terms of service that forbid creating a gamertag “that may offend other members”, they’ve already opened themselves up for liability by not proactively screening all gamertags for any and all possibly offensive content. If they’re really fairly implementing the system, why wait for a complaint? Why not nip the problem in the bud?

  175. jimconsumer says:

    Keep your sexual preferences to yourself, people. I’m sick and fucking tired of gay people wearing their gayness on their shirt sleeves as a badge of honor. You know what? I really don’t want to know how you like your sex. Do you see heterosexuals using monikers that mean, “I like to give it to my woman up the ass?” Hell no, because that would be offensive. Equally offensive is your compulsive desire to tell the world just how gay you are. Knock it the fuck off. Go home and be gay in the privacy of your own home, I support your right to fuck who you want, however you want it, just keep it to yourself, damnit.

  176. katylostherart says:

    @MayorBee: ok celtics is a basketball team that has little to do with ireland. basketball and 7′ tall black guys are not so irish, the team is just from boston. that’s not about irish pride that’s about a sports team, there’s nothing to do with any sort of genetic determination.

    also people rag on christians all the time. actually i think anyone who claims “christian pride” has a better chance of getting made fun of and having nothing done about it than gay anything. i mean if two guys walk down the street and someone screams fags! at them there’s a better chance of getting some sort of legal action than if you walk down a street in a shirt that says “praise jesus” and someone starts making fun of you for that. wearing a cross is like wearing a little rainbow necklace or something. although faith is an external thing.

    and again, with all of this labelling yourself as anything, you’re people. we’re all people. there are stupid people it’s part of being people. expect something stupid to happen as soon as you choose to make any sort of announcement. expecting people to be anything less than human is gonna lead to big disappointments.

  177. MayorBee says:

    @jimconsumer: Wow. You know, I don’t mind straight people, as long as they don’t act straight. Same with those Italians, Chinese, Blacks, and females. They’re perfectly fine with me as long as they act like straight, white men.

    I think you have some underlying issues. I don’t get upset when a coworker tells me about his/her opposite gendered spouse. Funny thing is, when they talk about them, I don’t envision them having sex. You, however, seem to think about gay sex more than I do. And let me tell you, that’s quite a lot.

  178. roopesh says:

    So the 11 year old kid with “BigTits69″ as his their gamertag is not offensive to anyone?

  179. jimconsumer says:

    @tevetorbes: What’s sad is that we’ll coddle the backward bum-fuck red state Amuricuns who would rather bitch about someone’s gamertag than actually play Halo with a gay person.

    You’re ridiculous, man. Just because people don’t want to know what you do in your bedroom, doesn’t make us “backward bum fucks.” I have gay friends, I don’t have a problem with their gayness, I just don’t need it shoved in my face. Why can’t gays just be happy being gay? Why does it have to be a pride thing you tell everyone else about? What the hell do you have to be proud about, anyway? Wow, I’m SO proud of myself for liking tits, I think I’ll tell everyone. What sense does that make?

  180. hatrack says:

    @leastcmplicated:
    I guess Microsoft can risk losing you as a customer for censoring gay people or they can risk losing other customers for not. Tough call.

    You ask what should gay people call themselves? It seems that female gays may not be able to call themselves Lesbians much longer. In Greece anyway.

    It seems some residents of the island of Lesbos are suing the Homosexual and Lesbian Community of Greece for stealing their name. They say only people born on Lesbos are true Lesbians.

  181. @MayorBee: I really don’t think they connect it with him being gay(person). Personally, I was surprised that theGAYERgamer is in fact gay(p).

    To a teenager who doesn’t know many gay(p) people, gay(insult) comes up far more often than gay(p). The effects of gay(i) on the playground and in the locker room is not trivial (See How ‘gay’ became children’s insult of choice [BBC])

    We’re talking about two different meanings that intersect in the unfortunate way that kills otherwise good words. It’s a skunked term that means totally different things to different people. It’s been hijacked.

  182. MayorBee says:

    @katylostherart: That part of my comment was directed at meadandale (but I’m glad you read it and answered!). I was using the Celtics as an example of Irish Pride, I suppose that St. Patrick’s Day would have been a better example there. Sorry for the ambiguity.

    There’s nothing I can do legally if someone calls me “fag” on the street (it’s happened before). There’s also nothing anyone can do legally if they’re made fun of for being a Christian. If it gets to be repeated, it can be construed as harassment, but other than that, words are just words.

    I do agree with you that there are stupid people in any group. That’s probably why a lot of people see it as okay to hate on the gays and not on Christians. But what’s wrong with trying to change their minds?

  183. Claystil says:

    Sucks for that guy, but anyone who plays on Xbox live knows about the rampant homophobia. I can’t tell you how often I hear the words “gay,” “fag,” queer” and the like used as insults. I hate censorship as much as anyone, but in some ways I find Microsoft’s efforts worth some commendation.

  184. dry-roasted-peanuts says:

    @tevetorbes: “What’s sad is that we’ll coddle the backward bum-fuck red state Amuricuns who would rather bitch about someone’s gamertag than actually play Halo with a gay person.”

    What’s really sad is using “bum-fuck” as an insult against people who a perceived as intolerant of homosexuals.

  185. jimconsumer says:

    @MayorBee: I think you have some underlying issues. – You wish, pal. I have no problem with gay people talking about their “spouse”, or even saying, “Wow, that guy is hot”, etc. I have a problem with them trying to prove something by constantly making their sexual preference known. “I’m GAY!! I’m GAYYY!!! HELLO, PEOPLE, LOOK AT ME, I’M GAYYYYY!!!!”

    Just knock it off. Why does the world have to know? Your friends know and respect you, why do you have to tell everyone else?

  186. Lithium542 says:

    You can’t use it for the same reason why you can’t name yourself 10 foot wang, even if you happen to have one. Why people need to characterize in a video game using real life traits is beyond me.

    Not to mention, gay is used as the pop culture term for “stupid” or “bad,” and regardless of it’s proper useage, I would guess that’s how it shows up in XBOX live gamertags most frequently, and they’re worried about offending someone who may, in fact be gay.

    My real gripe is how they allow anti-black, anti-hispanic, and antisemitic, (and to a somewhat lesser extent, misogynistic) names to run rampant.

  187. ShadowFalls says:

    The problem is simply the broken system. It doesn’t matter what your gamertag is. If enough people report it as offensive, you have to change it. You would think a call about these things would solve the problem, but they won’t do anything about it. Xbox Live might be a good system, but its still broken in some pretty bad ways.

    Also to note, the original defintion of “Gay” is happy. As you can pretain to the change of the times and if you have ever seen Brady Bunch movies, you will see how people can react.

  188. MayorBee says:

    @roopesh: Does he/she have big tits? I guess if he/she does, it’s not an issue :)

    @Michael Belisle: I do agree that the use of gay as a pejorative is very wide spread, especially among younger people.
    I may (probably) have a skewed outlook on the name. I don’t think that a gamer would intentionally denigrate himself by calling himself “theGAYERgamer”. I would think that that person is a gay.

    I think MS, upon learning all the facts, should have overridden the ban because he is describing himself, not insulting other users.

    @jimconsumer: Who’s flaunting it? His name had “gay” in it. That’s not flaunting, that’s describing. And about having to “prove something”: in every job I’ve ever had I’ve had to excel and be much better than average in order to be treated the same as my straight co-workers. If I’m able to say “I’m proud to be who I am”, then why shouldn’t I?

  189. hollywood2590 says:

    @roopesh: At worst its offensive to a few sexually oppressed people in a completely indirect way.

    GayerGamer on the other hand could easily directly offend many actual gay gamers, especially depending on his in game actions. Now, we have no way of knowing how he acts in games and he very well may be a completely sane, polite person. But MS doesn’t get data like that. They get numbers of complaints. And If GayGamer gets enough complaints hes going to have to change his name, just like BigTits would. There are no ulterior motives here. Just people getting up in arms about something a child could figure out.

  190. puddleglum411 says:

    Good gravy! It’s XBox live. More than likely, there is someone in charge of this sort of thing, and they are told to “play it safe” when it comes to what names people can and can’t have. What if the name was imNOTgay? ihavesexwithgirls? imgayerthanyou? heterosexualharry? there are all these gray areas and someone has to make a decision about what stays and what goes, okay? You don’t have a right to a particular name. It’s these silly tempest-in-a-teapot moral outrages that cheapen social and political movements.

  191. witeowl says:

    @yourbffjill: I guess I’m saying that, just like “retarded”, “nigger”, “jap”, “beaner”, “bitch”, “honkey”, “kraut”, and any number of other words, it’s a word that could be used as a neutral word or a reclaimed word of pride, it’s often used in an offensive manner so X-Box admin (not being mind readers) needs to take a hard line. I can’t blame them.

    In this case, whether or not the gamer is actually gay is, IMHO, irrelevant.

  192. witeowl says:

    @witeowl: Ugh, sorry for the bad grammar. Time-limit edit button, please.

  193. katekate says:

    My buddy tried to register the name “tecumseh” and it said the name was unacceptable.

  194. citybuddha says:

    i know that when gay women come out, they get a toaster oven.
    Is it true that gay men get an xbox?

    @muckpond
    i’m just thrilled to know i’m not the only ghey on xbox live. :) …Ya go a chuckle outta me
    But I’m the only gay on xbox live!

  195. techknight says:

    The supervisor was not passing the buck. A gamertag is marked as offensive after a certain number of Xbox Live users rate it as such.

    A racist gamertag might go unbanned if all you do is play Halo 3 multiplayer. (I’m generalizing Halo 3 players!) But if that same gamertag plays something else it might get flagged by more people and quickly banned.

    It really is the Xbox Live community that is to blame for this banning.

  196. katekate says:

    Also, if you’re worried about what your fucking kids are seeing, pay attention to what they’re doing. It’s not my job to watch your fucking brats.

  197. MayorBee says:

    @katekate: about the “tecumseh”…I must be getting old because all I thought at first was that maybe they were worried about him cursing someone. A while later I noticed the three letter word in there that probably was the cause of it.

  198. katekate says:

    @MayorBee: That was what we also assumed. It’s bullshit, because it’s not like Tecumseh is an important historical figure or anything.

  199. MightyCow says:

    XBOX Live gamers already spend 75% of their time calling people gay homos, do you really need to make the in-game talk any LESS used for actual game discussion?

  200. katylostherart says:

    @MayorBee: nothing’s wrong with trying to change anyone’s mind. it’s probably best to realize it’s like pissing into the wind though, there are better things to waste your time on.

  201. SteveZim1017 says:

    bottem line, there are many people who find homosexuality offensive. I’m not implying whether this is wrong or right in any way, but that fact is, they are out there (sadly).

    With that in mind, Microsoft chose to include some homosexual terms in their list of censored words in an attempt to offend as few people as possible.

    Its not microsofts job to fight for Homosexual civil rights.

    oh and using other examples such as violent games as a reason to allow a potential offensive name… games are rated and have warnings, gamertags are not. Although you may not do anything but make racial slurs and blow peoples heads off online, that doesnt mean there arent people who use it mostly for Maijong and bejeweled.

  202. katylostherart says:

    @MayorBee: “Who’s flaunting it? His name had “gay” in it. That’s not flaunting, that’s describing. And about having to “prove something”: in every job I’ve ever had I’ve had to excel and be much better than average in order to be treated the same as my straight co-workers. If I’m able to say “I’m proud to be who I am”, then why shouldn’t I?”

    um… see. ok here’s the thing. if you look at a person you can (generally) tell if they’re say, black, white, asian, hispanic, male, female, fat, thin, short whatever. usually being gay is not readily apparent. i mean sure things can get confusing with transvestites and transsexuals, but..

    ok really i’m wondering how obvious is it that you’re gay? i mean you can look at me and see white female, you can’t determine my sexual orientation/religion/political agenda/tv watching habits by staring at me. everything would be an assumption unless i announced it on a t shirt, with a bullhorn, etc.

    i guess i don’t get announcing that sort of thing unless it comes up in normal conversation. i’ve known some pretty campy straight guys, but you basically just said you are held back for being gay not for being assumed gay. why would you announce who you have sex with at work? unless it’s like your boss or something. coworker revenge? i just don’t get why anyone’s lovelife is considered fair excavation territory in any professional atmosphere and why anyone would bring that up in such a way where it would consistently impact your professional life. i’m not saying there’s no discrimination, but did you just go at the interview “i’m gay, will there be problems?” and then embark on your career? cuz it just kind of sounds like that to me…

  203. MayorBee says:

    @katylostherart: I agree. Sometimes it is an uphill battle, but it’s worth it nonetheless.

    @SteveZim1017: We’re not talking about civil rights (although MS is decidedly on the pro-gay side when it comes to their own employees), we’re talking about their system being broken. From what I’ve gathered here, if I get enough of my friends to complain about “Granny2231″ as an offensive name, poor old granny will have to change her name. Don’t you see something wrong with that?

  204. Rajio says:

    The system is based on peer review. If a bunch of people flag his gamertag as offensive, doesn’t matter too much what it is, it ends up being classified as offensive and nessecitates a namechange in the system. Its not a perfect system by any means but likely a few people did flag it as offensive which is why this has happened.

  205. dorkins says:

    You’ve got it all wrong, people. It’s not offensive to homophobes; it’s offensive to GAYS!

    I mean, how dare this guy claim he’s GAYER than other gays?

  206. Xerloq says:

    AFAIK, community standards are usually the measurement of offensiveness and obscenity. At least that’s what I remember from those old Comms Law classes back in the day.

    Then again, that is in a court of law, and I doubt this is going to trial.

  207. dorkins says:

    @MayorBee: @MayorBee: @MayorBee: @Michael Belisle: More than likely, his name was flagged because 13 year old kids really hate getting killed by a gay

    No, more likely these are liberal kids who hate the idea of killing a gay, even on Xbox.

  208. MayorBee says:

    @katylostherart: Personally, I’m not very gay acting (whatever the hell that means). I can pass for straight, as long as I don’t talk about my boyfriend. But if I happen to mention him or the fact that I’m gay, why should that be interpreted as “flaunting”? Wouldn’t my boss talking about her husband be then considered flaunting her heterosexuality?

    You ask why announce it, I ask “why not?”. If it makes other people uncomfortable that there might be a gay in the room, who’s at fault? The gay person for being gay or the uncomfortable person for being uncomfortable. Why should the gay person have to leave the room when being gay is something that he/she can’t change?

    I didn’t ask that at my interview, no. But when you have to hide who you are, you learn to read people and judge their personalities and guess how they’d react to it.

    It’s not so much announcing who you have sex with that’s the issue. It’s the not being able to correct someone when they ask “Do you have a wife/girlfriend?”. It’s the having to go along when people make gay jokes. If I was black, they wouldn’t make black jokes to my face. Black people, like you said, don’t have to announce they’re black. It’s just not the same for gay people.

  209. MayorBee says:

    @dorkins: lol…I dunno. He might be. We haven’t met him yet. He could put a Nathan Lane/Harvey Firestein/Paul Lynde hybrid to shame.

  210. f0nd004u says:

    I’m bisexual, and I wanted to communicate that in my STEAM username. I just call myself “Sparkles”. Problem solved.

  211. glass says:

    He signed a EULA. Case closed.

  212. @katylostherart: You’ve never heard of gaydar? I don’t know how well it works on XBox live, but it is possible to detect “sexual orientation/religion/political agenda/tv watching habits” after a short conversation or observation. Not 100% of course, but with a reasonable degree of accuracy. Some are better than others. The best might go into politics, play poker, sell stuff, and gather intelligence. Some people are tuned to certain areas. And the rest of us say they’re making shit up.

    Besides, straight people really do flaunt their heterosexuality. All the time. Holding hands, wearing wedding rings, talking about kids, talking about what you’re doing for Valentine’s/Single’s Awareness Day, Al Gore making out with Tipper on national TV…

  213. katekate says:

    @MayorBee: You’re awesome, and I’m with you 100%. It’s nobody’s business who I sleep with, who I make a life with. I’m straight, but I still don’t think it’s anybody’s business.

  214. katekate says:

    @jimconsumer: I’m pretty sure people DO use monikers like that. Dudes talking about their female partners get nary a second glance from anyone anymore, but if it’s a dude talking about his male partners, OH DEAR GOD, NO!

  215. katekate says:

    @SteveZim1017: Its not microsofts job to fight for Homosexual civil rights.

    Maybe not, but they also shouldn’t take actions with the opposite effect.

  216. MayorBee says:

    @Michael Belisle: Dunno if you’re joking about straight people flaunting their sexuality, but it can feel that way when you can’t participate in those activities because you’re afraid of the repercussions or of offending someone.

    @katekate: I think you’re pretty groovy yourself. I don’t think it’s other people’s business about my sexuality, but I kinda resent having to hide it when straight people don’t.

  217. nardo218 says:

    @Black Bellamy: It’s homophobia plain and simple. Every time some ignorant dipshit makes a judgement call that “gay” offends someone is just adding fuel to the fires of hate that ultimately cause some gay people to be found beaten to death and strapped to barbed wire fences somewhere out in our tolerant and loving homeland.

    What he said.

  218. Trai_Dep says:

    @SinisterMatt: If someone’s afraid of mice, they over-react, in spite of rationality.
    If someone’s afraid of teh gays, they do the same. People secure in their orientation don’t feel the need to take a baseball bat to gay kids, homophobes do.
    And the reasons are pretty clear: numerous studies have shown that those that self-identify as the most hostile towards gay also have erectile reactions (“get some wood”, as the kids say) when presented with same-sex visual stimuli (“hawt dude pix”, as they also say).
    I’d add another one: they think of women in such a negative light that they’re terrified of being treated like they’d like to treat women. Imagining that The Gays would be as bad as themselves if given the chance. Which… No.

    “Homophobic” doesn’t mean a person is trembling in fear when thinking about gays. It means they have an irrational, inappropriate reaction formation. Such as, y’know, thinking that what a same-sex couple in CA says on the wedding altar has any bearing on the heterosexual divorce rate. Or any negative impact on The Children (!!).

    Back to topic: while the poster isn’t homophobic, we live in a world that is to an extent. So while his screen name should reflect what he wants, he probably should grab another one that wouldn’t be confused with a 12-year-old homophobe-in-training. Hey, he’s creative, he’ll find another one. :P

  219. katylostherart says:

    @MayorBee: ok the part about correcting the wife/gf assumption makes perfect sense. although really i hate hearing any coworker talk about their freaking love life at work. it’s work so fuck off about that stuff is my general opinion.

    “You ask why announce it, I ask “why not?”. If it makes other people uncomfortable that there might be a gay in the room, who’s at fault? The gay person for being gay or the uncomfortable person for being uncomfortable. Why should the gay person have to leave the room when being gay is something that he/she can’t change?”

    maybe i just try not to announce anything personal really unless asked? i dunno, when you talk about work difficulties i just prefer to keep my private life private. i mean yeah sure, you meet compatible people and get friendships and crap through work, but uh, do that on personal time? otherwise everyone hears your babymamadrama :(

    @Michael Belisle: how is v day about being straight? why is holding hands flaunting being hetero? are you nuts? pdas are flaunting LOOK I’M NOT SINGLE AND I’M HORNY. or more realistically you’re saying to your SO, i like/love you, let’s touch. anyone can wear a wedding ring, or not wear one. again that’s not a mark of being straight. talking about kids? oook, i mean no lezzie i know has kids, must be a straight thing.

    so basically you’re saying straight people flaunt being straight by being… normal adults? just not getting the correlation. and i work with sex, jesus.

    (and thanks for the al gore make out thing i barfed in my mouth a little)

  220. jaypee68 says:

    A better question here would be why do gays find it necessary to let everyone know that they are gay? I don’t see any SuperStraightGuyGamer tags. Straight peeps don’t advertise, so why do gays find it necessary to?

  221. Antediluvian says:

    @SinisterMatt:
    @jimconsumer:
    @katylostherart:
    All of you complained about gay people “flaunting” their “gayness” and said you were okay with gays as long as they didn’t announce it all the time.

    You do realize that EVERY time some man mentions his wife or some woman mentions her husband, they are ANNOUNCING their straightness?

    So if you have a problem w/ people announcing their sexual orientation, whatever it is, then I look forward to your upcoming complaints about “Mr and Mrs So-and-so.”

    But I think you only have a problem w/ gay people discussing being gay.

  222. metaled says:

    Lots of word have multiple meanings (just because you don’t agree, does not make it incorrect.) I.e Bitch, Fag, Queer, Gay, Pussy.. etc… all of which would probably be removed. MS have a TOS, You agreed to the TOS, then picked a name that *might be* objectionable. It was, they asked you to change it. NO-one is doing it to you because you are gay.
    You see a name you find objectionable, report it! Get it removed. That way no-one is offended and WE ALL can enjoy the system.
    A cat nut uses the Gamer-Tag “Pussy-Lover”, people object, it is removed. Would we see that story on here? This story has nothing to do with consumers or consumer rights. Consumerist was wrong for posting this story. If they denied him service for being gay, then it would belong here. Not that he used controversial name, people objected and MS removed it as their TOS requires.
    Gamer Rights, the right to game with no religion, race, politics or political correctness involved! Game On!

  223. nardo218 says:

    The fact that we’re all talking about means this isn’t a nonissue.

    Why do nonbigoted against people always have to work so hard to tell people who are in an oppressed group that they aren’t being oppressed. What does that accomplish? You’re trying to uphold a fantasy that the world has no -isms so you can justify your own bigoted behavior as not offensive.

    Gay people have the right to be out in any situation. Straight people do not have the right to tell them when it’s okay to be gay. If straight people had their way, it never would be.

    Going into a forum where ‘gay’ is used negatively is the perfect place to assert that you are gay and you don’t appreciate slurs. No one wins medals for preaching to the converted.

  224. + says:

    All I got from this whole discussion was “….and there’s Luke laughing at somebody different!”

  225. @MayorBee: I was humorously drawing the analogy that straight people don’t realize that they’re constantly broadcasting their straightness. I can imagine how it feels to have to make a choice whether or not you can participate. It’s a choice that straight people (typically) don’t have to make.

    @katylostherart: It’s all a matter of your personal perspective. As you mentioned gay people do all of those things like normal adults. Yet, somehow, some accuse them of flaunting their gayness for it. (Admittedly, sometimes gay people have to announce “I’m gay” because many people will rudely assume otherwise.)

    Now, the discussion about PDAs and talking about babymamadrama in general, well, that’s a whole other issue. You seem to be pretty fair in that you don’t want to hear about it unless asked, gay or straight. Nothing wrong with that.

    And at this point, of course, this is all totally off topic. But who’s keeping score?

  226. @nardo218: No one wins medals for preaching to the converted.

    True, but at the same time no group welcomes change that challenges their core assumptions. Prepare for battle!

  227. sibelius says:

    “Gay” used to be a word that meant happy. The homosexual community took the word as their own (who wouldn’t, right? It’s a great word).

    But, as “gay” started to gain traction in the homosexual community (as well as the general population) it started to be the new word for homosexuals, and later to specifically represent homosexual men.

    Many years later the gay community became outraged as people who just like to hate people who are different used the word in sentences that were displeasing. The word “gay” still meant “a homosexual” in these derogatory statements. So why did everyone get so upset about the word “gay”? It’s the REST of the sentence that was offensive, not the word “gay”!!

    Well… everyone started to focus on the word “gay” being derogatory rather than focusing on the evil sentences surrounding that word.

    Regardless, the word became known as a no-no and could only be used without shock if you were the homosexual using the word. If you were some straight guy then you were pretty much looked down upon like scum for being such a Hitler.

    So… when you use “gay” anything in a screen name there is no way for the XBOX people to know if you’re using it because you’re proud of the word, or if you’re using it to poke fun at the word and the people it represents.

    The people to blame are those originally offended by the people who slandered the homosexual community — they should have focused on their hatred, not the word “gay”. They banned the word from themselves.

    Sucks.

  228. AntonioSternwah says:

    I¹ve seen names like ³Poontangsmasher² on there and of course they¹re
    allowed.

  229. tristax says:

    @Wormfather: this + the fact that other gamers can report others’ usernames = end of story

  230. Scuba Steve says:

    @Southern: True, it is acceptable for a minor to play the game. However, according to Microsoft themselves, the live service is not intended for people under the age of 13.

    However, most of the community definitely acts like they’re 12.

  231. sean77 says:

    according to xbl, someone has TheGayGamer.. maybe he complained that he was being out-gayed.

  232. trujunglist says:

    @MayorBee:

    I don’t think most black people get offended when you call them black, but yeah, they do get offended when you call them a “n” word. However, you might get offended if I called you a “f” or a “h”. Maybe not, it’s hard to say, but obviously there’s a much worse association with the “n” word due to our country’s history, and I don’t know if the equivalent exists in the gay world.

  233. SirPwn4g3 says:

    @Black Bellamy and others. Let’s get some things clear, there’s this awesome book called a dictionary, after that, pick up a thesaurus, then see if you can grasp the English language. Just because I disagree with gays, doesn’t mean I’m homophobic, ignorant, or prejudice. Vegetarians don’t agree with me eating beef, doesn’t give them some psychological problem or hatred towards me. Homophobia, is a psychological fear of homosexuals. Do you look down upon arachnophobics, agoraphobics, hydrophobics, or anyone else who has a fear they cannot control? Simply hating gays, or the mentally retarded, or the tall, or the fat, or blonde, or whatever, is hate, and it is chosen. A phobia is not a fear, and not agreeing with someones choice in lifestyle does not equate to ignorance. I’m so happy America is full of intellectual people, please don’t stick your hand in the deep fryer at your fast food jobs, it makes my fries taste bad.

  234. katekate says:

    @trujunglist: Prejudice is prejudice, man.

    @SirPwn4g3: I’m trying to figure out what you even just said. Homophobia is a clinical diagnosis of being afraid of gay people? Check it out, chief: [www.merriam-webster.com]

    Just in case the link doesn’t work, it says homophobia is an “irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.” So nice try, but you’re wrong.

  235. jimconsumer says:

    @MayorBee: Who’s flaunting it? His name had “gay” in it. That’s not flaunting, that’s describing. – OK, replace “flaunt” with “describe” and my argument still stands. Why does he have to describe his sexual desires? Whether you believe it or not, being “gay” is all about sexual desires. That is the only thing that makes a gay man different from a straight man. So announcing, describing, or otherwise intentionally behaving in a manner that tells people you’re gay, really is no different than coming right out and saying, “You know what? I like to have sex with men.” Well, I like to have sex with women, but I don’t go around saying it all the time. I don’t create screen names that describe my preference. It’s simply impolite to describe private matters.

    @katylostherart: ok really i’m wondering how obvious is it that you’re gay? – So am I. If you’re having problems with your employers, then you’re obviously going out of your way to make it known that you’re gay. I had a manager who was a lesbian. I worked for her two years before finding out she was gay. It took bumping into her and her partner at a store to find out. Did she go out of her way to hide her preference? Nope. But the point is, she didn’t go out of her way to advertise it, either.

    @MayorBee: But when you have to hide who you are – That’s not my position. I don’t consider it inappropriate to mention your boyfriend in casual conversation, just as I might mention my wife. That would seem fine to me. The problem I have is constantly making it known you’re gay, just out of the blue, for no other reason than to let people know. I’m sure you know gays who do this. I see the “gayergamer” profile as being one of these types. It’s obnoxious.

    I do sympathize with your situation. I can see the difficulty you face, always wondering how people will react, but not wanting to lie or hide who you really are. I can’t say I truly understand it, as I’ve not been there, but I can imagine how it must feel and I realize it’s probably worse in actuality. I have no advice, other than, if the conversation steers in a manner that would be normal to bring up your boyfriend, do it, and play it off with some humor. To, “You’re gay?”, I’d say, “Absolutely. Don’t worry about it, though. I don’t want to fuck any of you.” That would make me laugh, anyway.

    In the end this whole conversation comes down to people needing to be loved and accepted by others and we could all stand to learn a little more of that. Myself most definitely included. I do still feel there’s a time and a place for telling people you’re gay, though. Casual conversation, if the subject of significant others comes up, absolutely – don’t hide it. There’s nothing wrong with that and you shouldn’t have to hide it. But I also think people shouldn’t intentionally go out of their way to make their sexuality so insanely obvious, gays and straights alike.

    @katekate: I’m not talking about simply discussing your partner. I’m talking about screen names like “gayboi”, dressing in ridiculous outfits, men swaying their hips like women, you know, the stereotypical gay behavior. I know most gays don’t do this and that’s why I don’t have a problem with most gays. The rest of ‘em, I think they’re going out of their way to advertise themselves and I think it’s inappropriate.

  236. katekate says:

    @jimconsumer: But I bet you have no problem with frat boys being all, “Oh man I totally fucked this hot chick last night!” or, I don’t know, drinking themselves into oblivion to prove their masculinity. I find THAT shit offensive. It’s all posturing; you’re simply used to the heterosexual type because it’s been acceptable for much longer.

  237. jimconsumer says:

    @katekate: Actually, Kate, I find that shit just as offensive as you do. I don’t talk like that and I don’t associate with people who do. I don’t want to hear about anyone’s sexual conquests. Honestly, I don’t think this has ever been acceptable. Maybe in a frat house, but sure as hell not in the workplace, or at an adult social event.

  238. flipx says:

    1908 Happy joyful having a great life.
    2008 depressed, hated, misunderstood.

    I really feel sorry for the homosexual community can’t see were they can be gay about anything really, think that it was a poor choice of a word. I’m cool with the gay thing just don’t touch my ass and stay 25 feet away from me.

  239. camman68 says:

    GREAT! Somebody’s gonna complain about my pic and I’ll have to remove it.

  240. camman68 says:

    @meadandale:
    Good Idea.

    While we’re at it, we should wedding rings too. These items are being used to broadcast their “straightness” to the rest of the world.

  241. MayorBee says:

    @trujunglist: As far as what people call me, I really couldn’t care less if they call me fag or homo. Mostly the people who would do that aren’t worth my time anyway. I do understand that it could offend some other gay people, so I don’t tend to use that word a lot.

    @jimconsumer: Thank you for at least saying you sympathize with me. It’s really difficult to come out when you’re an accountant, though. People in that field tend to be traditional and conservative…and very well connected to one another. So coming out would be extremely detrimental to my career. However, I do take exception to the following:

    I’m talking about screen names like “gayboi”, dressing in ridiculous outfits, men swaying their hips like women, you know, the stereotypical gay behavior. I know most gays don’t do this and that’s why I don’t have a problem with most gays. The rest of ‘em, I think they’re going out of their way to advertise themselves and I think it’s inappropriate.

    Why do you care how people act so much? If they camp it up some it doesn’t reflect on you in the slightest. There are definitely some people that have those traits but aren’t gay, so would you tell them to “Man up, nancy!”? Being comfortable with yourself is not the same as advertising.

  242. camman68 says:

    @jimconsumer:
    Dude, get a clue!

    I was fired from a job after 2 years simply because I was gay. One of the ladies asked me to come over and get in bed with her. She said this in front of the entire office. (If I had said this to a woman, I probably would have been fired!)

    I politely told her “no-thanks”. The next day, my boss said he heard about the situation and wanted to know why I wouldn’t go home with her as if it was any of his business. He then specifically asked me if I was gay and I told him I was.

    The next day he called me into his office and told me that I needed to find another place to work because “There was too much testosterone in the trucking industry.”

  243. donkeyjote says:

    Comments = TLDR.

    Anyway,

    Despite what this Xbox Live CSR told you, we’re not convinced that it’s the “greater Xbox community’s” job to classify offensive material.

    Uhh, yes it is. Moral Majority. Community Standards. Same way it works in real life (a.k.a. every local, state, and federal government in the USA). What the average person of the community would think is offensive or OBSCENE, is.

  244. katekate says:

    @jimconsumer: I apologize wholeheartedly for being so flippant. I have no right to make assumptions about you.

    My point was meant to be that people just take that kind of thing (i.e. frat boy behavior) as “boys being boys,” and it pisses me off that there is a double standard.

  245. katekate says:

    @camman68: Holy flipping mother of god. I am so sorry that happened to you, for what it’s worth. Fucking double standards.

  246. MayorBee says:

    @donkeyjote: You’re right. Jerry Falwell did such a bang-up job with the Moral Majority. That should be the gold standard against which everything else is measured. We need more people like him to warn us about the purple transvestite children’s TV show characters that are coming to convert the children. Won’t someone please think of the children?

    In your TL;DR, you missed where it was discussed that mob rule/tyranny of the majority isn’t always a good thing.

    @camman68: I agree with katekate, I’m sorry that happened to you. I’m not afraid of that exact thing happening where I work if I were to come out, but I wouldn’t be as well liked, it would be harder for me to find another job down the road, and my performance reviews would most likely suffer.

  247. DeltaPurser says:

    I don’t know if I’m more bothered by the fact that this is getting a mention here, or by the fact that I’m wasting energy reading the post… Slow news day, ey?

  248. katylostherart says:

    @MayorBee: “#
    Why do you care how people act so much? If they camp it up some it doesn’t reflect on you in the slightest. There are definitely some people that have those traits but aren’t gay, so would you tell them to “Man up, nancy!”? Being comfortable with yourself is not the same as advertising.”

    maybe it’s the attentionwhore thing? i don’t know but i kind of hate extreme attention getting behavior from everyone. like the topless girl doing body shots at a frat party, or annoying cellphone man making ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE listen to his conversation about his stock portfolio or colonscopy (true story), or the girl in the store complaining to everyone who will listen LIEK OMG DID YOU SEE THAT DID YOU SEE THAT LIEK OMG?!!?!?!?.

    with me, i get annoyed at basically everyone that feels the need to jump up and down and scream “look at ME, notice ME, pay attention to ME”. and since i know someone will say it’s me that just wants to be the center of attention, that’s not the case. it’s one thing at a party, on a big awesome holiday like mardi gras or halloween, but when you’re at work, or grocery shopping, or in the library, anyone making a scene automatically becomes an asshole.

    it’s not the camping it up, it’s the where you’re camping it up. it’s the where she’s telling her friend (and everyone) about her yeast infection, it’s where she’s flashing her tits, it’s where he’s screaming DUUUUUUUUDE!!!!! at the top of his lungs. it’s not a problem with loud gay men, it’s a problem with loud anyone. stop disturbing everyone else’s peace cuz no one hugged you as a child. they probably didn’t hug you as a child because you were a brat. attentionwhoring isn’t attractive to anyone except other attentionwhores. that’s why we have bars, so people can have stupidity competitions. so the camp whatever, fine, just be prepared to people to act pissed because you’re a distraction and detraction.

    also re: teletubbies, i think the parents should be more worried that the characters supposedly came from paintings on the walls at raves designed to make your trip more awesome.

  249. MayorBee says:

    @katylostherart: I agree with you that people acting in a manner toward the loud side of out of the ordinary for them is annoying. However, I think jim has a problem with anyone flamboyant. He listed gay screen names, “dressing in ridiculous outfits, men swaying their hips like women, you know, the stereotypical gay behavior”. If someone is naturally flamboyant, or sways his hips, what’s wrong with that?

  250. Difdi says:

    Start a viral ad campaign to identify the name Gates with sexuality. Then try to get Bill’s email revoked under Microsoft’s policies… Muahahahahaha…

  251. JaniceReptar says:

    I’m pretty sure they force anyone to change their gamertag after
    receiving a certain number of “offensive gamertag” complaints. I
    remember someone suggesting that instead of paying Microsoft $10 to
    change your gamertag, you could just get your friends to report your
    name as offensive. This would indicate the system is completely automated.
    They also ban (or people have been forced to change their name from)
    tags containing ‘linux’ and ‘boobies’.

  252. gc3160thtuk says you got your humor in my sarcasm and you say you got your sarcasm in my humor says:

    OMG the people who say move on and change your name and stop whining are ridiculous. He should have the right to use the name if he wishes. And how many young kids are using XBox Live? And do young kids not know anyone who is gay? We are out there everywhere. So deal with it and let him use his nick if he wants As for gay being offensive for someone who is gay, ummm no its not. I’d rather be called gay than homosexual or lesbian. Homophones! I mean Homophobes LOL.

  253. SJActress says:

    @hollywood2590:

    No, there are so many people missing the point.

    People with Down’s Syndrome don’t go around calling themselves retarded (and their level of mental handicap varies GREATLY).

    People who are black do not call themselves a n****r–I’ve heard some that call their friends that, but not themselves.

    People who are gay DO go around calling themselves GAY. GAY IS NOT A DEROGATORY WORD WHEN USED FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE.

    He has every right to have that user name. If, however, he called himself theFAGGOTgamer, I would take issue.

    And this whole “Protect the children” thing: PROTECT THEM FROM WHAT? Those creepy, scary, GAY people?! Riiiiiiight…

  254. donkeyjote says:

    @MayorBee: I meant regular moral majority (as in the majority of the people in a group define the moral standards of the community), not Mr 2400 Club.

    And in that discussion I missed (that is spread ad-nasium anytime someone brings up this kind of thing) was there anyone that pointed out that going along with the vocal minority is just as bad or even worse then ” ” mob rule/democracy ” “?

    And apparently, gay and gays are now pronouns. (*Snicker* @ the gays, a gay, most gays)

    @SJActress: You haven’t meet enough ghettos (if gay can be a pronoun…) or gays, or rednecks, or bitches, or spics. Plenty of people who are * call themselves a normally derogatory term.

    And what is this, jezebel invasion week?

  255. @katekate: My point was meant to be that people just take that kind of thing (i.e. frat boy behavior) as “boys being boys,” and it pisses me off that there is a double standard.

    “Frat boys”? Is that like “the gays”? And “the mexicans”? “the blacks”? “the poor”? “the homeless”? They’re all stereotypes.

    You apparently used “frat boy” to mean “douchebag who gets drunk and brags about his sexual conquests”. A person in a fraternity would likely be offended—not because you called him a frat boy, but because you assumed that he’s a misogynist alcoholic and used his membership in a fraternity as a surrogate for an attitude you dislike. It just perpetuates the double standard problem that you are complaining about.

    Say what you mean instead of using some label that implies your internal assumptions.

    @MayorBee: I think jim has a problem with anyone flamboyant.

    So what? Consider your question “Why do you care how people act so much?”, but take it one step further and ask yourself “Why do you care what people think so much?”

    I can guarantee that there are types of people that make you uncomfortable; why are your preferred types any better than his preferred types? Is there no screen name that you would flag as offensive? Probably not: everyone agrees there should be lines, but nobody agrees on where the lines should be.

    This is why we’re gathered here today.

  256. harsesus says:

    The fact is, its probably not easy to filter derogatory sn’s out unless you eliminate names such as this, so unless you don’t mind hoping into a game with racist, antisemitic, or bigoted screen names then you have to live with this due to technology constraints… you can filter for keywords, but unfortunately you cannot filter for intent. Personally I wouldn’t mind losing my screen name in exchange for not having to play a game with F#gchrusher187 and HitlersMinion666.

  257. gc3160thtuk says you got your humor in my sarcasm and you say you got your sarcasm in my humor says:

    @thesabre: I’m gay and I don’t know what the heck words those stood for. Ummm so I’m sure many others here have no clue either :)

  258. gc3160thtuk says you got your humor in my sarcasm and you say you got your sarcasm in my humor says:

    @SkokieGuy:
    @ConsumerA:
    @PsychicPsycho3:
    @BigElectricCat:
    @MayorBee:
    @HIV 2 Elway:
    @BlondeGrlz:
    @leastcmplicated:
    Just wanted to respond to those of you who have some sense and are not homophobic. I appreciate your comments that actually have a point and make sense. To all the homophobic people here: I have heard the whole why do you have to advertise you are gay spiel more than a few times and I have to tell you it still pisses me off. How about I have to advertise because it’s still illegal to get married to someone of the same sex, and I have to advertise because some people think I switched to being gay sometime later in my life instead of being born that way, and I have to advertise being gay because many people assume I am talking about a guy or a boyfriend when I mention dating or being in a relationship. So when the way you were born and because your life is being lived for love and honesty is minimized by people in society as something that is disgusting, depraved, or a choice then you better damn well bet I’m going to advertise. If gay people, myself included, listen to the likes of the homophobes in this forum and just shut up and go away, we minimize our own lives.

  259. mac-phisto says:

    @harsesus: exactly. i played a round of cod4 last nite w/ himmler jr. to be honest, i actual had a pretty fun time shooting him in the head every chance i got – turns out he’s about as adept at battle as his “dad”.

    & before i left the room, i reported his screen name. simple as that.

  260. bonzombiekitty says:

    @thegcnetlife08: I often wonder what all the “why do you have to advertise that you’re gay” people would be saying if they were part of minority group that showed no immediate outward signs of being said minority, was discriminated against by the vast majority of society, and got called a “fucking fag” by random strangers for simply walking down the street with your boyfriend/girlfriend. Really, a good part of the reason why gay people wear pins and stuff is because gay rights is still a very big issue and stuff like that says, to use the old phrase, “we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it”.

    That said, as for the flamboyant, stereotypical behavior I have to admit I find it irksome. But I usually find anyone acting in a way that is stereotypical to their given group to be really annoying – whether it be gay people, boys, jocks, nerds, girls, african americans, whites, etc…

  261. muckpond says:

    in other news: i literally played against a guy named “futtbucker” last night. :/

  262. dualityshift says:

    @Consumer007: corporations don’t just get to violate laws and trash people and say “deal with it”. Or “if you don’t like it leave”. That’s the whole point – if you deal with the public, then you deal with every different flavor, shape, color, lifestyle. If you play in the public sphere and benefit from their business, you don’t get to discriminate.

    What laws were broken? MS states their terms and conditions on the website, quite clearly.

    You imply they discriminate. MS isn’t preventing gay people from playing xbox live. The fact is, some people found the name offensive. The checks and balances in place have worked to rectify the offense. The player still gets to play, providing they follow the specific terms and conditions they agreed to in the first place.

    ————–

    @MayorBee: You know, it’s only straight people who haven’t been discriminated against that ever say that. What’s wrong with being proud of who you are? Are you going to tell Celtics fans that “Irish Pride” is wrong next? Going to call into Larry King Live and ask why we have a Black History Month and protest it?

    Discrimination comes in many forms, not just sexual preference. Saying straight people aren’t discriminated against is a silly statement. It’s like saying white people aren’t discriminated against. Your statement, by its own merit is discriminatory against straight people.

    Why don’t we have Scottish History month? The English beat them down hundreds of years before they enslaved anyone else.

  263. ClevelandCub says:

    @mariospants:

    Okay. First being gay is not about SEX, and it’s not a preference. Second, I don’t think Halo 3 is for young children, so that argument is just a little bit bogus. If there are any children at all playing Halo 3 (or whatever) then there IS a problem but it’s not the OP’s name choice. This isn’t any different than choosing to put a pride sticker on your car or march in a parade. If you’re able to deal with the consequences (I still can’t believe what I heard in the video).

  264. DCGaymer says:

    @Rask: I really don’t think you know how rampant homophobia and hate are on the XBOX network. One way to make sure other gay people can find you and you can find them is to declare yourself as such. It also has the desired effect of driving away people who aren’t open minded. There’s nothing worse than putting countless hours into developing a regular game group then having a homophobic rant ruin the vibe.

  265. mblitch says:

    I tried to put in may legal full name “blitch” in the ‘name’ section and apparently it is not allowed word. I emailed customer service and got some form letter about the account being banned, which it was not.

  266. Japheaux says:

    Gay is not a race, so how can you call someone racist? Secondly, I agree with what many of you are saying…no one really gives a rats ass what your sexual orientation is, so why broadcast it to the world unless you’re looking for reactions? Thirdly, are you baiting gays by proclaiming you’re gay’er’? I mean, where is the trophy for being gayer?

    Finally; in reality you can cure cancer, balance the federal budget, win a Nobel Peace Prize…..but suck just one dick and….

  267. taka2k7 says:

    tyranny of the majority…. nuff said.

  268. MayorBee says:

    @dualityshift:

    Discrimination comes in many forms, not just sexual preference. Saying straight people aren’t discriminated against is a silly statement. It’s like saying white people aren’t discriminated against. Your statement, by its own merit is discriminatory against straight people.

    Why don’t we have Scottish History month? The English beat them down hundreds of years before they enslaved anyone else.

    Even if straight people have been discriminated against (for being straight), it is by no means as prevalent and pervasive as the discrimination against homosexuals. Gay people are systematically demonized by many aspects of society, whether it be the church, the government, or the actions of bigoted family members. I challenge you to demonstrate one case of such abuse against a straight person that would cause internalized heterophobia (for lack of a better word). And yet this goes on every day with gay people. Some of us have grown up in fundamentalist churches where we are taught that the way we feel is sinful and that we’re the cause of anything bad that happens in the world. We are told every day by the government that our relationships aren’t as good as heterosexual relationships and that we can’t openly serve in the military. We are even told by our own parents that we are not their children anymore simply because of who our bodies and minds tell us to love.

    This can cause, as I alluded to, internalized homophobia. Where you’ve been inundated with so much bullshit, you see yourself as less than a person. You go along with what other people want just to make them happy, just to be “normal”. Inside you don’t feel “normal”, however. You always feel that there’s something wrong with you and you hate yourself for it. This is one of the reasons why gay teenagers attempt suicide four times more than their straight peers. Is this just a statistical fluke? I don’t think so. So pardon me if I offended you by saying straight people aren’t discriminated against.

    Yes, people in the majority can be discriminated against. Anyone can be discriminated against. In fact, whenever I hear the phrase “reverse discrimination”, I think to myself what does that even mean. Either it’s discrimination or it’s not, there is no “reverse”. Trying to draw a parallel between individual straight people having been discriminated against and the systematic discrimination against gays is dishonest and disgusting. It’s like saying “I know what slavery feels like…I have to go to my job every day”. See how there’s really no comparison there?

    As for why there’s no Scottish History month, we’re talking about why is there such a thing as gay pride (or black pride, or Irish pride, etc.), not why isn’t there such a thing as factory workers pride (or Asian pride, or toxic shock syndrome sufferer’s pride, etc.). If however, there were a Scottish History month, I would say “Good for them”.

  269. katekate says:

    @Michael Belisle: Fair enough. I’m going from experience with every single frat boy I’ve personally ever known, but I won’t use that term. And you still didn’t answer to the original point.

  270. Ashkihyena says:

    Glad I don’t have a gold account. Microsoft and their crappy online accounts and all that.

  271. MCShortbus says:

    @hollywood2590: They don’t have a problem with my Tag. -points to Consumerist username-

  272. AdamG says:

    Just the other day, I was on the dyke sucking on a fag and stroking my pussy.
    I know I should quit smoking, but it relaxes me when I’m by the river with my cat.

  273. jimconsumer says:

    @MayorBee: Why do you care how people act so much? – Why don’t you? There are appropriate and inappropriate behaviors that vary with the setting. You’re wrong about it not affecting me. My work involves face to face contact with farmers and cowboys. Strong, conservative Christian men. If I hire some boy in a frilly little outfit who sashays up to these men, I’ll lose their business. This isn’t anti-gay, it’s anti-inappropriate-behavior. If a straight guy strutted up to them with a big sausage in his pants and stared their wives up and down, I’d lose their business just as quick.

    It really affects me when pro-gay lobbyists force laws through requiring me to not discriminate in hiring. I’d never discriminate against you for simply being gay. I’d hire a gay man if he could do the job; his sexual behaviors are none of my business. But I don’t give a damn what the laws say, I won’t hire any man who can’t behave appropriately as a representative of my business. If you want to advertise your sexual desires, you do that on your own time.

    @camman68: One of the ladies asked me to come over and get in bed with her. She said this in front of the entire office. – This is a clear cut case of sexual harassment. You should have sued them. I would have. What they did to you is wrong.

    @katekate: Apology fully accepted. I took no offense to your comments. I don’t think the double standard is quite as prevalent as you think. In some settings, especially with young, immature boys, sure, but not everywhere. Or maybe I’m just sheltered. I tend to hang out with mature conservatives. We don’t ask one another, “Hey, so did you fuck your wife last night?” I’d likely get slugged in the face if I talked about a buddy’s wife in a sexual manner like that, and rightly so.

    @MayorBee: However, I think jim has a problem with anyone flamboyant. – You’re absolutely right, I do. I find flamboyant behavior inappropriate and, quite frankly, disgusting. I come from a place where men are men and women are women. Men behaving like women (and vice versa) disturbs me. I’m not only talking about gays and lesbians. The straight girls who talk like men (A female once said to me, “Fuck, I have to take a mad shit”) bother me equally. I’m not bigoted, or racist, I have no problem with someone being gay, I just don’t want to see your flamboyant side. Be flamboyant all you want in the appropriate venues, but not in the work place. Not when dealing with customers.

    Now, all this being said, I strongly believe in American values and freedom. I fully support your right to be as flamboyant as you like. I would never take that away from someone. I will, however, judge you and think less of you for it.

    @thegcnetlife08: born that way – Really? You came out going, “OH MY GOD!!!!! UGGGHHHKKK!!! I AM **NEVER** GOING BACK IN THERE!!” ? Point is, while you may not be able to control who you are attracted to, you CAN control flamboyant behavior. You weren’t born flamboyant.

    Thank you, all, for the intelligent discussion. I’ve enjoyed reading your comments on this matter and I want you to know that, regardless of your sexual orientation or flamboyance, I have respect for your right to be intimate with whomever you want and to behave however you want, whether I agree with it or not.

  274. Antediluvian says:

    @jimconsumer: (wouldn’t ask, “did you fuck your wife last night” of a buddy)

    While you might not phrase it like that, did you ever congratulate someone, or ask someone, if they “got some”? Did you tell a buddy who said, “I got some last night” (or, I made whoopie, or had a roll in the hay, or made love) that this kind of talk is inappropriate?

    How about “My wife just found out she’s pregnant. We’ve been trying for months.” Trying to get pregnant = having sex. Telling someone you’re trying to get pregnant is telling someone you’re having sex.

  275. planetdaddy says:

    If someone is TRULY

  276. planetdaddy says:

    If someone is TRULY worried about what their children see then they wouldn’t let them go to school, or leave the house for that matter.

    If what your children see in the “wicked” world is influencing them then you aren’t doing your job as a parent.

    Step up and quit blaming your shit parenting skills on everyone else.

  277. smirky says:

    @jimconsumer: …you said ‘in the end’…..

  278. 2719 says:

    Stop being gay and change your tag.

  279. Witera33it says:

    I can completely understand why the greater XBOX live community doesn’t like “gayergamer” and it’s because many are extremely homophobic. I am a female halo player with a deeper voice. I’m called gay all the time and then they freak out when i tell them I’m female. Many many names with sexual connotations have been banned and I’m completely Ok with that. It definitely inspires creativity. So, perhaps “Gayergamer” should get creative too.
    On another note, children should not be playing Halo since it is a Mature title, but they are, and they are the most foul mouthed evil little buggers playing. I find myself filing complaints against children for their behavior more than the adults.

  280. trk182 says:

    Change your tag to “IBANGSHEEP” and see if anyone finds it offensive, if not then you might have something to cry about…otherwise it’s just a tag. I mean seriously are you 12?

  281. BlackRabbit@gaygamer.net said:

    “I think it’s plain pathetic. XBox has no idea how to handle the hateful community they helped create, and now they’re just sanitizing the victims rather than the perpetrators.”

    I have to agree. I have a real life friend who has had to change his purposely offensive tag only after we formed a Halo3 clan and started destroying people in the game. Really, his name was disgusting and no-one cared when we were average at the game but as soon as we started winning and NOT trash talking, thats when there was a problem.

    I’ll “stop being a fag” and acting like I’m 12 when my fellow gamers stop being retarded and acting like they’re 10.
    Better yet I will buy people Live accounts when actual 10 and 12 year olds stop shouting the “N” word and cursing worse than death row inmates or the cast of a Tarantino film.

    Yeah yeah, I can mute people. Blah blah blah, I have to tool around in my Xbox menu to do so, not in matchmaking itself where I need to. I am not going to ask game developers to add this feature, because it would be a waste of their time and yet another thing that takes away from the game and possibly making it late. The issue is with Microsoft. MICROSOFT. As long as we all keep feeding the beast, Microsoft will continue to employ policies with flagrant disregard to it’s customers. The bottom line is the bottom line. If you are not a shareholder YOU DO NOT MATTER, it’s not a Democracy, it’s a business. I was over it along time ago which is why I do not play multiplayer online games.

    “Major Nelson’s” rub off was “just play with your friends not with other people” and apparently this is Microsoft’s unofficial stance. So I abstain, because my friends want to play against other people who are not our own close friends. I pay my money and play my games alone. I enjoy them as much as I can in the knowledge that I am part of a large demographic that has to hide ourselves from the “real” world because we are not personally funneling huge amounts of cash into the pockets of the powers that be. Thus I do not matter.

    Thats why this site exists, to fool ourselves into believing that we have a voice that anyone cares about. NEWS FLASH! They don’t.

  282. wdnobile says:

    @Consumer007: @Consumer007:

    Im not a homophobe and while “gayer” can have multiple meanings, the original post indicates that it was meant to express his sexual preference. There is a time and a place for such things, this isnt it. Shouting “homophobe” every time someone disagrees on a topic concerning gays is a convienient, if inaccurate, means of avoiding the real issue. I wouldnt walk into a church and scream “I love to have sex with women” – I wouldnt run around the street with a “stright pride” shirt on – would I? Because its 2008 and MOST of us are beyond being biased against someone for something as trivial as their sexual preferences. Sure, that bias still exists. But not here. If you read the EULA on XBox live it specifically says names of a sexual nature are prohibited> Its their service – if they want to ban names about being gay, (or purple for that matter) they can. Its not discrimination, homophobia or anything of the sort. Get over it.

    And before another moron labels me a homophobe, ie – someone with a fear of gay people – I am not. I have close friends and employees who are gay, and I could care less. It doesnt stop me from socializing, working or hanging out with them.

    Get the chip off your shoulders. Yes, some ppl still are predjudiced, but Microsoft isnt. And neither am I. Dont define yourself by your sexual preference. Its virtually irrelevant to “who you are”. Its a part of it certainly, but JUST a part.

    In short, deal with it. Someone go make an Xbox name of “IFUCKWOMEN” and see how fast its banned. Should I then go and complain that MS is predjudiced against straight ppl?

  283. @wdnobile:

    Your not a homophobe as far as I can tell. You make some good points and are right that Microsoft is not homophobic either. It still stands to reason however, that the general attitude in business is to hold this “idea” of the american family to the sky so it’s glory can shine down like the sun and be the example we should all follow. If I was a mother that called a complained about something things would be addressed much faster than if I was a lone person. I feel that is true of most business as they tend to see a family unit as expandable dollars(you know, straight people make babies) and a single person(regardless of personal details)as a finite source of income that will end unless they couple and breed. This attitude trickles down from corporate into the blue collars of the working class. Truly this is the point I was making. Class discrimination, not sexual.

    When playing any game on Xbox LIVE a person can hear such thing as “I’m gonna F@ck your sh!t up b!tch”. It does not matter what your “tag” is, I could have a name like “thisisnotagamertag” and still be called a “Fag” because I speak with big words aka “Fagtalk”. The first week of Halo3 I was raking up and I came across a Spartan in purple armor who was called a Fag after the round. I was matched up with this gamer a second and third time and our opponents were different each time but still had the same things to say. Turns out my purple Spartan pal was a girl. A teen girl. It would seem that even when a female is playing and not defining herself by her sexuality “Live” gamers still have a problem with it. In fact, I have heard this exact remark several time while playing along side female gamers. “Why aren’t you (insert female stereotype), get off our game, B!tch!” I have to guess at that point because these girls and women are not “off making some man happy” they are disrupting society and should be punished.

    Everyones answer is “get over it” or just play other games, and “I” do. But what about everyone else? Should they all have to “get over it” and not play the games that they want to. I’ll agree that at a certain point if you have a tag that attracts negative attention that you might want to consider changing it. But what I am asking is it not unreasonable to ask that people be allowed to interact with one another with out the constant pressure to be like everyone else. Is it unacceptable to ask that Microsoft to issue a public statement defining their stance on what they want Xbox Live to be beyond the long winded TOS that most people only read after the fact. I’m not saying that people should not have to read TOS. I am saying that instead of pointing out thing that are buried in fine print the “online” warning that flashes whenever you play a “Live based” title should be less aloof. Perhaps it should say ” this game is not intended for everyone, in fact people are allowed to be jerks to you beyond average “trash talk” if you seem to be not an average male player. Conform or do not play. Yeah it’s stupid, just a thought.

  284. xboxishuge says:

    I read this whole post and all I got out of it is “the people on Xbox live are all retarded”.

  285. craftyconsumer says:

    This is ridiculous especially considering that the other day I played a gamer called: beatabitchup

    I mean, THAT’s offensive.

  286. Elle Rayne says:

    i think the XBOX Live “community” just doesn’t want to admit they were losing to a gayer gamer.

  287. NeoMalfoy says:

    Quote:” Lithium542

    My real gripe is how they allow anti-black, anti-hispanic, and antisemitic, (and to a somewhat lesser extent, misogynistic) names to run rampant.”

    Again pointing out the acceptability of using anti-gay remarks/sentiments.

    What This says to me as a gay man is that it’s not acceptable to bash someone over their race/nationality/religion/gender but hey if your GAY it’s open season.

    I also really do love all the comments along the lines of “Just shut-up about it!” “Don’t flaunt it/why do you have to flaunt it?”

    What you call flaunting it we call living our lives, that’s all we want is to live free of fear, unfortunately Gay-Hate or Homophobia is still alive and well just look at sites like youtube or myspace video and read some of the wonderful comments on some of the gay “blogs” or videos with one word comments like Fag, Faggot, Homo, Queer Fagett and the threats “I’ll kill you fag” or the misinformation “AIDS From GOD you HELLBOUND HOMO!” or Negative sexually explicit stuff hinting at raping the poster simply to prove that the commenter is not a ‘fag’
    Or how bout the stories in the comments about a young gay man/lesbians experiences with Bashing and hate see: [vids.myspace.com]
    for example.

    If minorites don’t speak up for themselves then nothing changes, That’s why we come out, that’s why we talk about or same gender partners, that’s why we rally at PRIDE! that’s why we march, that’s why we proclaim “We’re here and We’re Queer!” that’s why we take back the discriminatory language and make it ours! That’s why we have a National Coming Out Day and a National Day of Silence and a Pride Week and in recognition of our fallen bretherin(and sister-ren) both gay and straight a World AIDS Day and AIDS awareness Week.

    It’s strength in numbers and strength in communities!

    And don’t tell me you don’t see nicknames/gamertags that are heterocentric I see them everywhere they are just not as overt as gay tags/nicks because gay still sticks out like a sore thumb.

  288. Anonymous says:

    I’ve had a similar problem.
    On my account TwitchBoxx, in my bio I was saying that I was lesbian. I was suspended for luckily only two days because of the fact that I had ‘lesbian’ in my account information. When I called support, they just went into circles about the code of conduct. I had to call two more times, then managed to get a supervisor. He wanted the password to my email account! Can you believe that?!

    Plain and simple: The people on microsoft (customers and workers alike) just don’t want to accept that gay people are among them. I’m ready to sell my xbox and get a playstation 3 instead now.

    • Anonymous says:

      There are songs on the radio right now about going down on eachother. And now they care about the word ‘gay’? Censorship is a joke. Its a tool people in power use to keep the population controllable, quiet, and at odds with eachother.

      What happens if kids do see the word ‘gay’? Would it really be so bad for a parent to have to talk to their kid about sexuality? I mean it is a really important issue, with pregnancy, stds, and emotional influence. If we censor the word gay, then no one ever talks about it. Maybe the kid is gay. Even if a parent wants to tell their kids that they don’t like homosexuals, even then its communication. How would the kids know otherwise?

      But more than that, its the control of the people we should be worried about, and not so much the word ‘gay.’ We shouldn’t censor self-idenfication anywhere. And if children’s parents might actually be forced to talk with their kids about the world (gasp) than we might all be better off for it. We never see the true oppression if we’re busy fighting one another.

  289. Anonymous says:

    In Response to the comment written by Metaled I will say this.

    There IS a user who’s name is simply Dike.

    There is also a user who’s name is Gay.

    There is also a user who’s name is Hetero.

    There is alos a user who’s name is Straight.

    Until they are banned from XBox Live as well your argument doesn’t hold any weight whatsoever.