How To Go 30 Years Without A Credit Card
Consumer Reports staffer Greg Daugherty has gone 30 years without a credit card. Why? He doesn't need one.
I recently reached what I bet is a rare milestone: I have now gone 30 years, basically my entire working life so far, without a credit card.This may make me seem like some kind of nut, or at least an anachronism. You know, the type of person who still isn't convinced that indoor plumbing is worth the investment.
I do have what's sometimes called a "travel and entertainment" (as opposed to credit) card, in my case American Express. I'm not here to plug Amex, but I believe a card like that, which has to be paid off in full each month, imposes a certain restraint that could keep many of us out of financial trouble.
30 years without a credit card [Consumer Reports]
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@B:
A normal AMEX card is not like a normal credit card in that it is not a revolving account. In order to not be in default, the entire balance must be paid off every month.
@B: There's a special kind of Amex card that requires you to pay the balance in full every month. Therefor it isn't really a revolving line of credit.
Since when is American Express NOT a credit card? Just because it has to be paid in full every month? Isn't he still charging purchases for the float time? Now if he said he had NO cards and strictly paid cash for everything at the time of purchase, then I think I might be impressed. But really, don't we all know a lot of people who do that?
That's the standard Amex (i.e. Green/Gold/Platinum/Black), actually. It's only the Blue cards that are credit, as opposed to charge, cards.
@timmus: Assuming a perfect payment history on his American express, My guess would be around a flat 700. Depending on the number of loans he's had for mortgage and/or cars etc his score could be a 780.
@Amy Alkon: Seconded. Credit cards aren't the devil, lack of impulse control is. They're kind of a necessary evil and you have more consumer and fraud protection (eg chargebacks - thanks Consumerist!) than you would with cash or debit cards. I pay my credit cards in full every month, and seeing my spending totaled keeps me in check.
I must say that I commend you on not using credit cards.
I have a different perspective on credit cards though. Unfortunately, our monetary system seems to be built upon credit ... buy now, pay later. As a result, I have learned to run most of my bills through credit cards and PAY THEM IN FULL as soon as I use them. ( I literally sign on and use online bill paying to pay whatever I spent that day. ) By doing so, I have received thousands of dollars in rebates, points, etc. I do NOT carry balances so basically, those that do are subsidizing a better life-style for me.
I have a FICO score of 771 and am treated much better at establishments because they "think" I have $$$ when I use those platinum cards. In reality, I'm the same as the guy that uses cash ... except I pay 5% less that he does.
(Yes, I know this is thread drift.)
Is there any reason, in terms of benefits (by which I mean actual financial benefits, not the psychological benefit of forcing myself to pay the balance in full every month) why I would want an AmEx Green (which has an annual fee) instead of the Blue I have now (which has no annual fee)?
@RandoX: You can do that with a bank debit card as long as it's got the Visa/MC logo on it. I do it all the time.
That said, I think the spirit of why this story could be inspirational was missed when the guy said he has an Amex card.
What would make it newsworthy is if he went 30 years with no plastic at all. No Visa, no MC, no Amex, no nothing. With the exception of a debit-only card for purchasing. That would have made a statement about how in this world where it's increasingly difficult to get by without such things (i.e. renting cars, getting hotel rooms, buying things online, paying bills, etc.) it's still possible and here's how the guy did it.
I have been without a credit card for about 7 or 8 years now. I have my bank card that's got the Visa logo on it, so I can use it like a credit card, but it's not. I can't rent a car without them asking for a $400 deposit and 2 utility bills. I can't rent tools at all. Hotels are some-do some-don't, but they all act sketchy about it. Soon it will be tough to buy airline tickets without a bona fide credit card.
A couple of points (and yes I have a credit card, although I only use it for business travel).
1. When I was only using my Debit card for travel I never had any problemm renting a car or a hotel room. I'm not saying people don't have trouble with this issue but I'm just letting folks know that its possible to travel without a credit card.
2. After I had cancelled my 2 credit cards (I recently obtained new card for biz travel) both of which had 5-10 year positive payment history my FICO score was above 800 a year later its still above 800.
@jamesdenver: Really? It's not that admirable. Yeah, I have more than half my gross annual salary in available credit but it's rare that I revolve more than a couple hundo each month. It's not admirable to keep from digging yourself into debt just because you can -- it's common sense
I knot know why one wouldn't use credit cards. They have so many benefits fraud protection, charge back abilities, extended warranties (amex), he list goes on and on. In addition to the fact that they can be used to make you money on purchases you would make anyway. Plus you dont have to carry cash. Credit cards are not evil, all too often people are just stupid when they use them.
@B:
Yeah good point, I just got it so I'm using the 0% apr for six months so I can get cash back on the card, and earn interest from the money in my credit union savings account
After 6 months, to paid in full it goes!
@kdoyle55: You nailed it. The benefits of responsible CC usage far outweigh some sort of mythical Luddite-hero self-worship.
Congratulations Greg, you don't have a credit card (even though you actually do, and have been paying $50 a year to not have one, LOL). You don't also have the thousands of dollars in cashback that I have gotten over the years, which was saved off and spread out in various CDs and MM funds, now earning interest at rates better than anything any bank could offer me now.
I'm the same as this person. No credit card. For me it's been 15 years. I also have an American Express charge card that I put everything on and is due in full each month. I also have a mortgage. I just paid cash for my car so no car payment. My FICO score is either 800 or 808 depending on the agency. On my credit report it shows my Amex card with a high balance of $26,000 (I had a major expense that month) and current balance of $1,800 (what my last statement was) and a long history of consistent, never-late, payments.
So point to my reply is, in my case, not having credit cards obviously hasn't impacted my credit score as someone wondered above.
@SadSam: One of the problems with using debit cards for hotels (and gas, too, for that matter) is that they will sometimes put large holds on your account. That can be really irritating if you don't keep tons of money in your checking account at all times, especially since it can be fairly unpredictable whether they will do this or how big the hold will be.
That's without getting into the other problems with debit cards.
The more I think about this the more I realize this is a "non-story".
Although you may have to pay your balance in full each month with AmEx, it's STILL a charge plate.
I have to agree with the other posters that stated this would be a much better story if the person in question actually went without a form of charging @ all.
My parental units have a very high FICO score and only use their AmEx cards simply because AmEx treats them well and the interest paying consumers finance their trips to the Pocono's via all the points they receive.
Show me a consumer who has gone 30 years WITHOUT using ANY "Charge plates" and then I'll be impressed ...
I have a question about credit cards that maybe someone on here can answer. I have 4 credit cards, and just yesterday I paid one off in full. I have about $900.00 in debt total on the 3 others. If I pay the remaining balance off on the 3 cards will my credit score go down? I haven't checked my score in about a year but last year it was 790-800.
Also, does your score go down if you do a balance transfer to a card you currently have with a lower interest rate?
This guy's smuggly patting himself on the back because he's had an American Express card for 30 years instead of a credit card?
Gee, fool that I am I've had a Visa card for that same 30 years (longer actually). I pay it off every month as well, but I don't have to pay a yearly fee like he does with his Amex. Not only that, but they give a percentage of my purchases back every year, and it's excepted more places.
It's never occured to me that this was in anyway news worthy. As it turns out neither was his story. What a tool!
Payment, interest, revolving credit, notwithstanding, imagine all of the information that has not been passed or lost on this guy. Twice in the last year I received notices from businesses that my personal info was lost/stolen/given away/sold. At the very least, he may have had several thousand pounds less of advertisements showing up in his mailbox over the years. Oh, wait. What? Am Express is a credit card? Then his mailbox (postal informational receptacle) is probably getting crap anyway. Never mind.
@nutrigm: I don't know all the details, but my husband's parents put their mortgage on a credit card. Somehow, they just got a really good deal.
@SkyeBlue: No, your score will not go down if you pay off debt. In fact, it will likely go up. Your score is quite high already, so I wouldn't worry about it much at all.
As for how the BT affects your score, the answer is "it depends". If you transfer to a card that has a lower credit line than the one you are transferring from, it might hurt your score since you would be utilizing a larger percentage of your line. If it's the other way around, it might help. But again, at your score level, it shouldn't matter much. That's a trivial amount of credit card debt as far as your score goes if you have high credit limits.
In my younger, less responsible days I had an Amex green and if I couldn't pay it off, I called Amex and they gave me some time to pay it with interest. Basically any time I would call, they would convert my balance due into a sort of "revolving" balance (I say revolving because they would add it to whatever previous balance I couldn't pay off). So my point is, Amex Green is no panacea for going credit-less. Unless they've changed the rules.

























i havent had one ever goin on 36 years.