Circuit City Designates Handicapped Parking Spots "Web Order Pickup" Zone

Ever wanted to park in the handicapped spots but didn’t because of pesky laws and social norms? Well, if you place your online Circuit City order for pickup at the Cantonsville, Maryland store, you can! Reader Andy discovered that the store is flagrantly violating the Americans With Disabilities Act by using the handicapped spots as the special web order pickup zone. Andy then went inside and discovered that Circuit City ignores all kinds of policies, including their own price match guarantee.

I went by my local Circuit City in Catonsville, MD today trying to get a birthday gift for my dad and noticed something interesting in the parking lot. They had the sign telling people to park for online pickup in front of the row of handicap spots. They have the deal of your order being ready in 24 minutes or you get a $24 gift card. I guess that $24 gift card would come in handy after you pay the $98 fine posted for illegally parking in the handicap spot itself. I looked around, this was the only sign they had for online pickup.

Anyway, thought you might find this interesting. By the way, along with this disregard of the ADA, I also had a nice experience of Circuit City failing to follow their own 110% price match “guarantee”. They were selling an external hard drive for $70 more than I had seen 15 minutes earlier, less than a mile away, but they would only offer to match the price and not give the extra 10% because 1) the price difference was “too much” (170 vs. 100) and 2) I had “seen the other price first”. According to the manager, if I had bought the drive at CC first, then seen the other price, he’d give me the 10%. Unfortunately he refused to even look at the CC price match policy even though I had pulled it up for him on one of their laptops 2 feet away from him. For the record, their policy is “Find a lower advertised price from another local store with the same item in stock, and we’ll gladly beat their price by 10% of the difference.” Well, they didn’t “gladly” do that at all. And in fact, if I had purchased it at CC first, I would have been ineligible for the extra 10% because “Plus, if you see a lower advertised price within 30 days of your purchase with us, we’ll refund 100% of the difference.”

It became a matter of principle and it would have been a measly $7 that could have kept a customer. It also would have earned them over $200, because not only did they lose one sale on the hard drive (since I decided to give my business to the other store), but they lost a second sale on my father’s gift too.

Who is training these managers?

Keep up the good work.
-Andy

p.s. For the record, I’m not leaving my dad hanging. I got his gift somewhere else. :)

Don’t hesitate to call the corporate office when a store refuses to honor its price match policy. In this case, you could have also threatened to call the police to report the asinine web order pickup zones if they didn’t honor the price match policy, only to call anyway because it’s the right thing to do.

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  1. TruPhan says:

    A-ha – but what if you ordered something online AND are handicapped? See, Circuit City isn’t violating the law; it’s simply increasing convenience for one out of three handicapped people parking at the same time at the same store!

  2. The Stork says:

    Calling corporate usually isn’t a bad idea, but with Circuit City the Cool Line will just call the store back and ask a manger to price match. When the manager refuses the Cool Line will give up because the operator has no power over the manager. Now if you can get the phone number for the district manager you can get somewhere; when they call, things get done.

  3. well if you’re shopping at Circuit City t begin with, chances are…

    ahh, I might as well stop before I get myself into any more trouble

  4. Scuba Steve says:

    Most managers of Big ticket electronic stores didn’t get to that spot by being nice to customers.

    The most effective course of action is to go to the District Manager, and state exactly the actions that you want them to take, and why. If they can’t, or wont, then go higher up. EECB, with names and store numbers. Describe accurately the problems, possible solutions, and exactly why it is in there best interest to fix these things instead of blowing you off.

    It won’t be easy. It won’t be fast. It probably won’t even be successful, but its the only thing we lowly consumers can do when a manager won’t follow a policy.

  5. radio1 says:

    Those guarantees also require the actual ad for the product.

    For instance this week, BB has a Tom Tom One (3rd ed.) for $169.00 and Staples has the same item for $139.00. If I were to buy one at BB you better bet I’d bring the Staples ad.

    Plus, is it really in the best interest of a Circuit City manager to honor his own price-off policies? Seems to me, there would be some kind of metric measured against your performance for being too ‘honorable’. CC or anyone else is not a local or mom and pop store.

    About the handicapped spot that is bizarre. Since most parking lots are private property, police would not actually go there until they were called. Local security may be up your ass, but they can’t write tickets and the sign is there (on private property).

  6. KashmirKong says:

    Nine times out of Ten those Handi-spots are empty otherwise. Might as well get some use out of them.

  7. uberbucket says:

    Looks like the bolts that hold the sign in place are missing or not yet installed? Plus the sign is not centered in the parking space like they usually are, leading me to believe that the signed has been moved or hasn’t been installed properly yet.

    Just a theory.

  8. shanaynay says:

    @KashmirKong: Yes, screw a law intended to protect the rights of the handicapped so you don’t have to walk thirty feet to pick up your junk. Why don’t you suck it up and be glad you can walk?

  9. greyb1 says:

    I am ashamed to say that I used to work at CC (or, as they call it, “The City”). There is another way they rip off consumers with the 24-minute deal. If the order is canceled by the store within 24 minutes, you do not have to give the customer the $24 gift card. So CC would receive an in-store pickup order, then try to find the items to fill the order. If they couldn’t find the items, they would quickly cancel the order. The customer shows up and wants the item, but they find out that it was not, in fact, in stock. Then they want the $24 gift card that they rightfully earned. Unfortunately, the order was canceled within 24 minutes, so no gift card. This completely defeats the purpose of the guarantee! I hated working there. I was so mad by the time that I quit that I didn’t work a 2-week notice, I just called and said not to expect me any longer.

  10. I’m pretty pissed off about this. One thing that really annoys me is when someone parks in a handicapped space just to run in the store. Same thing at where I work. The security guards have given so many tickets to people who get to work with 2 or 3 min. to spare and who park in the handicapped spot so they can be at the front door and run in. They justify it by saying they planned to move their cars on their lunch break.

  11. rkmc12 says:

    @KashmirKong: I don’t know where you live, but anywhere I go it’s a struggle to find an open handicap accessible spot.

    I know people will come on here and bitch about the privilege, but the spots are there for a reason.

    Most of the time they are bigger which means I have room to get my wheelchair out of my car. If there are no handicap spots available that means I might not be able to get my chair out of my car in another space. Just be a decent human being and don’t park there if you don’t need it.

  12. lemur says:

    @uberbucket: I was going to point out the same.

    But I noticed that the file name for the image is “Photoshop Please I Really Hope Yutzes Like This Dont Actuall Exist”. Is that an image that was created for the purpose of illustration?

  13. chartrule says:

    @radio1:

    here the private security can and will write you a ticket

    and it’s all legal

  14. edrebber says:

    A policeman could still give the customer a ticket for parking in a handicapped spot, regardless of Circuit City’s policy. Is the store prepared to pay the ticket for the customer?

  15. Blinker says:

    @BeFrugalNotCheap:

    The thing that pisses me off even more than that is the lazy assholes who use fire lanes as dropoff and pickup zones. Just park your car and walk in to the store. Dont be lazy and block the fire lane just because you are only going in to drop off a movie or buy a lottery ticket or whatever. And since you were too lazy to even go in the store and just dropped off your wife to do it dont think you can just park in the fire lane and pick her back up. They put wheels on carts for a reason. Push the damn thing to your car.

    And why are there like 300 handicap parking spots at amusement parks. If you are going to be walking/wheeling around the amusement park all day you cant possibly be THAT disabled that you couldnt walk another 300 yards to get into the park.

  16. mgy says:

    At my University, we pay out of the ass for parking. $20 a month for a spot you don’t even get to choose. We typically end up in a commuter lot a mile and a half away. Handicapped individuals not only get closer parking, but they don’t pay a dime.

    Can anyone explain why this may be? ADA?

  17. humorbot says:

    @mgy: Wait, I’m sorry: Are you objecting to the fact that handicapped students are granted parking closer to campus? Because that is blatant discrimination against the normally abled.

  18. @rkmc12: It seems to vary a lot on where you live. Do you know if it’s regulated locally or at a higher level? One city I lived in in Illinois always had a truly ridiculous overabundance of handicapped spots (one movie theater had literally FORTY of them, and the most I ever saw filled was 5, when the parking lot was well over-capacity for a Star Wars prequel opening). Everywhere I went had large numbers of open spots all the time.

    Now where I live, still in Illinois, it seems like the bare minimum is the rule. In smaller lots I rarely see an open handicapped spot; in larger ones they’re usually 3/4 full.

    (Also I hate those assholes who park in the first spot NEXT to the handicapped spots and waaaaaay into the extra space for unloading things like wheelchairs, in order to protect their luxury cars from scratches from being too close to other cars. I’ve never seen anyone ticketed for it, but oh man it ticks me off.)

  19. XTC46 says:

    @radio1: police dont handle the ticketing of ADA spots. Here,there are actually people dedicated to it, and they will ticket you anywhere, private lot or not. Its like saying a cop wont stop one person from shooting another if its on private property.
    The ADA people a vicious around here. One day we were standing in front of a store I worked at before it opened. A friend pulled up and into the ADA spot, like 2 minutes later the lady rolled up and made him move. He hadn’t even been out of the car, and the lot wasn’t even open yet for the public.

  20. oeolycus says:

    Maybe 15-20 years ago, UPS used to park lengthwise across handicap spots when making deliveries. They’d take up two or three. My mom (handicapped) would call into the dispatch, corporate office, and bark at the drivers. She likes to think she single-handedly caused their change in policy (they stopped parking in ‘em). Maybe she did…but calling into corporate never hurt.

    This is the sort of thing everyone does, but everybody despises at the same time. Sort of thing that could turn into a PR nightmare.

  21. rkmc12 says:

    @mgy: I paid for all of my parking passes when I was at school so it’s not the ADA. More likely a school policy.

  22. rkmc12 says:

    @xtc46: Not sure where you are, but yes police can and do issue tickets for parking in handicapped spots without a plate or tag.

  23. zumdish says:

    My favorite is a nearby trailhead on state property. This trail is from the start narrow, rocky, steep downhill, suicide for anyone with a physical disability to attempt it.

    But there sure as hell be a handicapped spot in the little parking lot.

  24. Buran says:

    @Eyebrows McGee: It is silly sometimes, but I think it’s because a certain percentage of spaces in some cities/states has to be handicap-tagged. I need to find out locally, actually, since there’s a similar problem in that the first level of the parking garage where I work has literally 1/2 of the spaces marked as handicappd spaces and only 5 of them are ever filled at a time — I’m actually shocked when more than 2 cars are in the area.

    But, as someone who is disabled myself (hearing) I would never think of occupying one without actually being with someone who has a valid handicap plate/hang tag, because I know how angry I’d feel if hearing people checked out all the rear-window-captioning reflectors at the theater, for example, and I had to forego being able to enjoy myself because other people who didn’t really need the service decided to be selfish. We have laws to protect the disabled for a very good reason, and you don’t appreciate that until you either become disabled yourself or visit a country where there are no such rules.

    (I know it’s not a totally analogous situation, since you don’t need to prove you’re hard of hearing/deaf to use those, but it’s the closest thing I can think of).

  25. My0pinion says:

    I have no problem at all with handicapped folks getting a handicapped spot…that’s what they’re for. But the vast majority of the folks I see using handicapped spots aren’t handicapped at all, they’re just using a handicapped relative’s (or friend’s) tag for their own convenience. This happens ALL the time where I work, where I know for a fact it’s not some “hidden” handicap. If they’d start taking those tags away from the people who allow them to be abused, I’d have a whole lot more respect for the system.

  26. pmcpa says:

    In PA any officer and tag you public or private lot. No exceptions, and I applaud it!

  27. racermd says:

    Wait… We’re overlooking something vitally important.

    It’s only a $98 fine to park in the handicapped spot in MD?! It’s $200 here in MN.

    However, I’ve heard it said that it’s a $50 fine to park in the entrance of a building, instead. I suspect the person that told me that has some experience in the matter.

  28. doctor_cos wants you to remain calm says:

    @zumdish: Don’t worry, those pristine natural steep and/or rocky trails will be taken care of.
    [www.nytimes.com]
    Pretty soon, instead of the trails on the hillsides, we’ll have wooden or steel FENCED walkways ALL OVER.

    Yes I appreciate that othera may want access, but just because you can’t swim doesn’t mean we should fill in all the swimming pools.

  29. SOhp101 says:

    Calling corporate for the price match policy has never worked for me–the rep always says that it’s at the manager’s discretion and his say is final.

    Price match guarantees are a load of bs in the retail electronics industry–your best bet (other than a loss leader @ a B&M) is to purchase it online.

    @mgy: $20/mo is laughable… then again it depends on what city you’re talking about.

  30. @radio1: Here in LA, ANY cop (LAPD, Sheriff, CHP) in addition to the Parking Enforcement can issue a ticket for parking in a handicapped spot. It’s a $330 fine, and my cop friends say that when they have some down time, they go trolling for ADA violations just for fun.

    I got a ticket for just pulling half-way into a handicapped spot. I was coming into a small store lot. There were only 2 spots, plus 1 handicapped spot. The lot was full, save for the handicapped spot. My car was half in the lot, the other half still in traffic. Because I was blocking traffic, people were honking and getting pissed. But I couldn’t pull into the lot because there were no spots. The only way out was to either back up back into traffic, or pull into the handicapped spot. Then a cop pulled up behind me, honked, and flashed his lights. So I got scared and pulled into the handicapped spot about half-way. He pulls in behind me, blocks me in, jumps out of his car, and issues me a ticket for parking in a handicapped. WTF!

    I fought the ticket and won because the cop admitted that he had flashed me, that I was only half in the spot with the engine running, and that he blocked me in. It was a pain in the ass and a 4 month ordeal but I saved 330 bucks!

  31. Concerned_Citizen says:

    I am ashamed at all the people upset about the abuse of handicapped spaces. First of all 90% of the people who use handicapped spaces are not in fact handicapped. The system is flawed in that anyone can get a pass for any dump medical reason. Second, two labels on the spot means it’s a handicapped spot designated for handicapped quick pickup customers. Yes, it might make the handicapped spot that much more useless, but as long as they have the required amount of handicapped parking without counting this extra spot they are not breaking any law. Plus if you do support handicapped parking, doesn’t it makes sense to have a handicapped space for quick pickup?

  32. Nytmare says:

    First of all 90% of the people who use handicapped spaces are in fact left-handed.

    Yeah, let’s just make stuff up.

  33. ClankBoomSteam says:

    @KashmirKong: You’re a real genius, you know that?

    Next time you’re angrily eyeballing one of those empty spaces, wait for the next car that (legally) parks there and see how difficult it is for its occupant to get out and into the store — THEN feel free to bitch about it, if you’re a big enough asshole to do that.

    Until then, do us all a favor and think before you post next time, numbnuts.

  34. EtherealStrife says:

    There are plenty of limitations on price matching — it’s treated as more a courtesy than a contractual agreement. The one relevant to the OP is that they will never do the full 110% if it will drop the price below their cost. That, and they only recognize certain retailers for comparison pricematching. I’ve never heard of the bit about seeing it at CC first, though.
    @mgy: That’s a bargain. UCI is 48 and UCLA 61 (for commuters; for residents it’s 66/75). But that free handicapped space thing at your school is ridiculous. If it’s true, I’d take that to the top (it’s definitely not an ADA thing). At UC everyone pays for parking, including the faculty and handicapped.

  35. stryper2000 says:

    I call shenanigens on the picture, it looks like a movable sign , thus someone moved it maybe.

    I doubt seriously a store would be that lazy and stupid to do something like that

  36. TheDude06 says:

    Im not sure why anyone would shop at a local commission sales staffed electronics store in the year 2008.

  37. amightywind says:

    @stryper2000:
    i sent in the story. regarding the picture, no shenanigans (at least not on my part). that’s not to say that it couldn’t have been moved by someone at some point, but that doesn’t mean that the store is not lazy or stupid enough to do this themselves. in my previous experiences there, they seem to have plenty of employees that are exactly lazy and stupid enough to do something like this. plus, there had been employees outside of the store (both when i was coming and leaving) helping customers load TVs and such into their cars, so if it had been moved from a “normal location”, you’d think they might have noticed.

    i do feel bad for not having said anything about the sign while i was there (and i normally would have), but i guess i got distracted by dealing with the manager. damnit.

    @TheDude06:
    because even in the year 2008, people procrastinate until it’s too late to get something online shipped in time

  38. TheUncleBob says:

    @shanaynay: Two issues with your comment. First, why does *anyone* have a “right” to a special parking spot, outside of the individuals who actually own the property? Second, I think you’re confusing a “right” is. Even if someone had a “right” to use a parking lot, reserving them the best spot on the lot isn’t making the equal – it’s making them special – putting them above everyone else. The ADA doesn’t “protect” rights of those with disabilities – it forces others to give them special privileges.

  39. youbastid says:

    @TheUncleBob: I see you have had pretty much no direct contact with anyone with a disability. How about, “I can’t walk without these incredibly cumbersome crutches, every extra step I take is a total pain, why is some asshole parked in the handicapped spot?”

  40. BrianU says:

    Handicapped spaces not in use – good, less handicapped or injured people. You aren’t handicapped or injured – good, count you blessings. You feel abused that your healthy self can’t park there and you have to walk a few feet more – pathetic! Of all the things to feel that life is unfair about, having some sort of grudge against a couple of parking spaces that you can’t use has got to be very, very high on the list of self-centered whining issues. Blind people get a tax break, that should really infuriate you too, I guess.

  41. kingofmars says:

    @amightywind: I’ve seen this store performing shenanigans with the handicap parking spots before. One time there was a radio promotion, but they took up about half of the handicap spots to put the radio van, and pizza stand. The store has about six handicap spots I think.

  42. amightywind says:

    @kingofmars:
    that doesn’t surprise me at all. maybe they figure that they have provided more than “enough” handicap spots, so, “geez, do we really have to have alllll of them available alllll the time?”

  43. Murph1908 says:

    I’ve shopped at that actual CC once.

    Once.

    My experience? $50 computer game for $40, plus a $10 gift card. It was a deal that brought me back into a CC for the first time in years.

    Couldn’t find someone to check me out.

    Once I did, game rang up at full price.

    He voided the order, rang it at the right price, but the total still came up $10 more than it should have.

    He told me that $10 was for the gift card.

    I had to explain why I shouldn’t be charged for a free gift card.

    He told me I had to go to Customer Service.

    I waited a CS while “service” agent gabbed on the phone to another store.

    She couldn’t help me, and I had to wait for a manager

    All the while, there was floor-shaking bass coming from the audio department.

  44. TheUncleBob says:

    @youbastid: I think you need to re-read my post. I’m not defending people who park in Handicapped parking spaces. I’m not saying stores shouldn’t provide handicapped parking spaces. I’m merely saying that no individual should be forced – by law – to put any particular group above another on their own property. Again, the ADA isn’t about making people equal – it’s about making them special and above others.

  45. polyeaster says:

    That’s the same Circuit City where I had a prob with my online order, took it in to exchange, and they told me they couldn’t do it b/c they didn’t have the proper item (laptop cord) in stock (at all, anywhere). I told them that they should’ve told me that when I placed my order, insisted that they exchange for a universal (which they did have in stock). It took some polite protesting, but I got them to exchange without charging me extra.

  46. tamoko says:

    My second job is at a small specialized food market, part of a national chain. The I see people parking “innocently” in a handicap spot, or actually parking right in front of the building – often a husband just idlingthere while their wife runs in – I always get quite steamed…

    But for some reason I’ve always been able to out talk them, and convince them to park like everyone else. I ussually pull the “fire ordance” card to get them to move from in front of the building, or I’ll just shame them with an authoritative voice and a direct stare into leaving the handicapped spot. It’s worked everytime, for years, with no returned additudes or complaints.

  47. RandomHookup says:

    OP:

    Contact the State Attorney General’s office on the price matching. Fine, if they want to have these promotions to get customers to buy, but they can’t have arbitrary rules. A call from the AG’s office often gets their attention.

  48. MeOhMy says:

    Fairly off-topic but one that really annoys me is how people both with and without handicap tags seem to think the van-accessible spots are actually extra-wide luxury spots so that no one dings your door.

  49. @Buran: Oh, I absolutely agree. I just kind-of wonder why there’s no magic number or useful formula that gets it closer to the “right” number of spots — there’s either a ridiculous overabundance or a dire shortage. I never see a situation where it’s “1 or 2 extra” in a small lot and “5 extra” in a large lot. It’s feast or famine.

  50. bdgbill says:

    The ADA was created by lawyers for lawyers. With very few exceptions lawyers are the only people benifiting from this horrible piece of legislation.

    I work with a company that was sued for not having braille instructions on self serve gas pumps (you know, for all those blind drivers out there).

    We were sued by lawyers who employ “hit teams” (their term) of handicap people who are bussed around the country and rolled into chain restaurants, gas stations etc. These people become the “clients” in the resulting lawsuits.

    One of these lawyers bragged to me that they had repeatedly sued American Airlines for damaging a “clients” 800lb electric wheelchair. The only reason this client was flying was to give American the chance to break the wheelchair.

    We have been sued for having the wrong type of covering on the drain pipes under the sink in our public restrooms, for not having the correct type of mirrors installed at the correct height, for having handicap ramps that are at a grade 5% too steep as well as the braille gas pump instructions.

    The general idea behind the law was fine but the lawyers who wrote it intentionally left full of loop holes and broad terms like “reasonable accomodation”.

  51. Krysta1986 says:

    The way the sign is placed it doesn’t look like it has been installed yet. There are two arrows so two spots should be designated and in that picture there aren’t. Bad space for the sign to be left yes but I don’t think it’s their intention to designate that spot for web order pick up customers.

    For the price guarantee, let me ask you this, did you have an add from the competitor you saw the lower price at? Was it a new unit and not refurbished, was it a membership club? The price guarantee applies to local competitors who have an advertised price lower than circuit city’s. Who’s price you see first doesn’t matter. However it has to be instant savings (no rebates and no limited quantaties or while supplies last) and they have to have it in stock. Membership clubs are excluded from because you pay a fee to be able to shop there.

    I have a hard time saying they should have a honered the guarantee without both sides of the story. With any offer there are always exclusions, including with price guarantees.

  52. Vanvi says:

    I can’t believe Circuit City wasn’t a contender for the Worst Company contest. I certainly nominated them.

  53. youbastid says:

    @TheUncleBob: Because I’m sure they feel “special” and “above” others when the law requires a store to have a ramp that takes them 4 times as long as someone that can just walk up the stairs. I bet your opinions make you a real hit with the ladies.

  54. mythago says:

    The ADA was created by lawyers for lawyers.

    That’s right. The day they passed the ADA, the lawyers of America turned on a giant sleep cannon that shot non-lawyer-affecting stun rays across the entire nation, so that nobody at all could stop the bill’s passage! And it was totally unnecessary, because everything has always been fully available to handicapped people up until then.

    At least, I guess that’s a more comforting fantasy than having to admit that you might have to make your ramps a little less steep for those wheelchair users who think they have a RIGHT to go anywhere. Entitled bastards!

  55. TheUncleBob says:

    @mythago: Wheelchair users should have the right to go anywhere they please…

    …except for privately owned property. If you’re on private property, you’re there at the invitation of the property owner. Don’t like how s/he keeps his/her property? Leave.

  56. amightywind says:

    @Krysta1986:
    the other drive was at an office depot which is 0.9 miles down the same road. actually at first, when i went to the customer service desk, the rep i spoke to said she didn’t know if she could price match to OD, hence why i was even dealing with a manager. the store is adjoined to a staples and obviously close to an OD. the manager told her their store does price match them since many of their products are the same (computer stuff, cameras, mp3 players, TVs, etc.) and they compete for those markets. i can’t say if this is the case for all circuit citys (cities?), but it would have surprised me any other way, especially because of their proximity. this first concession actually had me thinking that i was in good, competent hands with the manager, until he said “so give it to him for $99.99″ … me: “um, what about the 10%?”

    the manager was mostly polite, but completely unbudging once he named the price. in the end, i explained very clearly that i was trying to give him the opportunity to make the sale and that as a matter of principle, if he was going to refuse to meet the “guarantee”, i was just going to go back to the other store. it would have just been $7 different, but i kind of like it when “guarantees” actually guarantee something. he stuck to his guns. the refusal to look (literally, he would not turn his head) at the 110% policy that i pulled up on their website was a nice touch, too.

    anyway, yes, the price was in OD’s circular and website as $99.99 and it was for the identical new drive, on sale for that week, but it was the price out the door. no rebates or anything. and like i said, i had stopped by OD first, and they even had more in stock (or at least on the shelf) than circuit city did! i almost bought it when i first saw it but decided to go to circuit city to check their price knowing that if it was higher, i’d at least get the 110%, right? wrong. almost fittingly, now that the shopping week has changed, it’s on sale at circuit city and not OD, even though it’s still $20 more than i paid. [www.circuitcity.com]

  57. BrianU says:

    I see many references to “private property” being posted in the comments. 1.) driveways and parking lots are private/public places at least as far as cars are concerned – ask a cop. 2.) Businesses have licences and zoning regulations, these permissions by the government/public also have conditions – a business is not the same as a private house/property. The ADA isn’t much different from your town/city/state building and safety codes that require your “private property” to have certain outlets installed in your bathroom, or accessible utility meters, standardized wiring, ice-free sidewalks, etc.
    And obviously you can’t do anything you want on your private property, breaking laws still means police “intrusion.”

  58. RandomHookup says:

    @amightywind: Heck, I once got Circuit City to price match to a Walgreens.