After Further Review, NFL Decides Churches Will Be Allowed To Host SuperBowl Parties
Don't you just love instant replay? The NFL has decided to reverse its previous ruling and allow religious organizations to hold SuperBowl parties "regardless of size." Previously, the only exception had been for sports bars.
The league has said that organizations that host public viewings of its games on television screens larger than 55 inches violate its copyright. Sports bars are exempted. Last year, the league sent letters to two churches advising them of the policy.You can't see me right now, but I just spiked the ball and now I'm pointing at the sky.In response, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) proposed legislation that would allow houses of worship to show football games on big-screen televisions and raised the issue with Goodell at a meeting last week. Other congressional representatives threatened similar bills.
In its letter, the NFL said it would not object to big-screen viewings in the churches as long as the showings are free and are on premises that the church uses on a "routine and customary" basis.
NFL Reverses Call On Church Parties [Washington Post] (Thanks, Jim!)
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@laserjobs: Depends on the church I know one church that throws an awesome alcohol soaked Greek Fest every year.
@laserjobs: Depends on the Church - I went to a Jesuit college, and the Jesuits drank more than anyone I've ever seen.
@Falconfire: Yeah... Church potlucks, one of the parishoners brings a cooler of New Belgium brews to our Catholic church. It's only a problem is you "over-indulge."
@laserjobs: It depends on how close the church members are. If like many midwest churches the members are very close (as in, they talk to eachother and organize events outside church), it can be a very enjoyable party.
@Falconfire: Some expect you to drink.
"One in whose home wine does not flow like water is not blessed."
-- Jewish Sages
What was the NFL concerned about? That people would discover they like church more than attending games? I would think there would be a greater threat in that regard with sports bars. (And what about all the local teamster halls, knights of columbus, rotary clubs, etc -- they are violating some copyright law by tuning into a football game?) Stupid
@descend: If the NFL holds the line they're being asshats about their copyright, and if they concede they're "caving to religion". Guess some people can't win, can't they?
@laserjobs: Not everyone who watches is 21 or over. When I was a kid, the church youth group Super Bowl parties were pretty fun.
Now they decide. AFTER the Superbowl. Jerks.
@laserjobs: Yeah, but I bet there's a bunch of people that SAY drinking is bad publicly, but get ripped privately...
A lot of churches host a super bowl party as a more family-friendly alternative.
The problem started in 2007 when a fairly large church (Fall Creek Baptist) advertised a Super Bowl party and was going to charge a fee - they were also going to broadcast it on a 12 foot wide screen. Not a typical church gathering.
Many churches got nervous and canceled, or like my church, resized our screen to fit within the 55" rule.
@evslin:
I never thought the NFL was being "asshats" in the first place, but what bothers me is that this exemption is for mysticism only. Why should other non-profit community groups be excluded?
@laserjobs: only the good ones.
I never understood why they didn't want to allow the churches to do this. Were the churches profiting somehow?
"caving to religion" - give me a break! This isn't a religous argument. It's a group of people coming together at a function that most of them would want to watch anyway. They are not going to hang out at the smoke-filled bar with a bunch of loud-mouthed strangers, so this is a great alternative. The NFL's rules are stupid anyway - they make money on the advertisers, not the place where you watch it. Whether the people are watching it in 50 different homes, or all watching it at some common place, how does it matter?
@ericole: that is true, about the ad money. They don't make any money from the viewers at home, why should they make money from people watching at a not for profit place.
As far as churches charging a fee, unless it's for a group of their members wanting to use part of the church and renting space like you would for the a wedding, i don't think the church should be able to make money off the game itself.
@ericole: The problem is that they are publicly exempting churches from the rule. However, if I invite 10 people over to watch the superbowl on my projector, at my house, I would be in violation of the rule. Most likely they would never find out about me inviting people over, but it's still against their rules. I think the exemption should be something more like, any group may watch the superbowl on any size screen as long as they are not being charged an admission fee to watch. Simply stating that churches may do what no one else can is "caving to religion".
@stacye: only holds true for games played between sundown Friday night through sundown Saturday night - that is the Sabbath that Jesus Christ kept Himself; I don't see why pseudoXians think they can "change the laws".
As for this ruling, I can see this privilege being abused (i.e. a collection plate getting passed around to help 'defray' costs) so I'm kinda surprised to see the NFL reverse its prior position.
@joemono: Blood of Christ--- hrm, let's go equal parts tanic red wine and irish creme. Order it at a bar. No church necessary.
"The league has said that organizations that host public viewings of its games on television screens larger than 55 inches violate its copyright"
The league can say whatever the hell they want - they don't determine the copyright law in this country, and they can't take away my fair use rights.
Unfortunately, the MPAA lobbyists do and can.
We need legislation for this? This is why our government is so ridiculous.
Unfortunately, the US. Because there is already federal law that says just how many inches wide a TV can be before it's a copyright violation to show things on it in public, we do... It's ridiculous, sure, but it ridiculousness to repair earlier ridiculousness.
Here's hoping the legislation actually passes.
Not sure if it's correct, but my understanding of the NFL's actual reason for protest was that they would be missing potential data points from Nielson viewers who may have decided to watch the game at a church instead of their living room. And goodness we can't have them missing out on that last $100,000 per second for commercial rates...
Because there is already federal law that says just how many inches wide a TV can be before it's a copyright violation to show things on it in public, we do...
Really? Got a citation for that?
i didn't watch the thing at all...i'm a football fan, but not a plastic nfl fan.....i don't much care for the computer controlled games....i liked the old nfl when they played mostle cause they liked thte game...they played on dirt ,outside and they played tough....not too many of todays players could play under the old ways.....i still like to watch small college and high school football.....
WTF?!?! You mean to tell me that when my brother brings his 52 inch tv in the backyard to watch football games is illegal when we invite over 30 people and throw a bbq?!?! That sounds like a problem for television providers. I pay to watch my tv. And if I want someone else to watch my tv, the sure as hell can.


























Why would anyone go to a church to watch the game? They don't serve beer