The Great eBay Boycott Is Officially On, Will Anyone Notice?

Here we are a few days into a week-long eBay boycott over policy and fee changes and no one is sure if it is having any effect. It appears that listings are down 3%, but no one is sure if the drop is the result of the boycott.

eBay’s spokesperson told CNNMoney that the boycott “hasn’t had an impact on our listings.”

Some boycott supporters are hopeful, however:

“If [eBay’s listings total] falls below 12 million we’ve made a pretty good impact,” said Nancy Baughman, an eBay PowerSeller who deals antiques and co-authored Buy It, Sell It, Make Money, a guide to doing business on eBay. “I’m hoping that it goes down below 10 million. If that happens, we will have made a huge impact.”

eBay says that it’s sticking with its changes — including a hotly contested decision to prevent sellers from leaving negative or neutral feedback about buyers.

EBay boycott begins, to uncertain effect [CNNMoney]

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  1. trickonion says:

    Are you kidding? I’ll buy more there! But I guess this is a sellers thing, best of luck guys!

  2. sleze69 says:

    /shrug – Over the years, I have purchased maybe 2 or 3 things from ebay totalling around $20-$30. I guess this is a big deal because of how many people use it but if ebay closed up shop tomorrow, my life won’t miss a beat.

  3. Damn it! Had I known about this, I wouldn’t have bought those sweet $23 half-chaps last night.

    Though the boycott technically started today…

  4. clevershark says:

    @trickonion: “Are you kidding? I’ll buy more there!”

    That would be silly. With less competition among sellers prices should normally be higher than they would otherwise be.

  5. snoop-blog says:

    during x-mas time i called it wiibay. seriously anything i find on there is a rip-off. and it seems if you have a life and don’t watch your auction down to the last second, you always get out bid. damn snipers!

  6. kimsama says:

    Huh? Ebay still exists?

    I guess I’ve been “boycotting” it for years now, then, because I was so sick of all the scammers on it I stopped using it.

  7. UpsetPanda says:

    …I’ve never used eBay. I’ve looked through it, but I’ve never had an account. I’m either behind the times or waaaay ahead of he trend with this boycott.

  8. AnonUser1 says:

    I’m boycotting the boycott by selling everything I have. No competition this week = great!

  9. UpsetPanda says:

    the* trend.

  10. goOutSide says:

    I haven’t used eBay in almost 2 years. I got banned for trying to sell a video game system pre-order following specific instructions from eBay customer service. Even with the help from CS my listing was pulled for being ‘possibly fraudulent’. It’s not worth the time anymore, Amazon is just as cheap.

  11. joeblevins says:

    Didn’t even know there was a boycot. I don’t search the site for stuff. I have only bought one thing, and it was a projector that I found from this site.

  12. trickonion says:

    @clevershark

    Yeah, but I would feel more comfortable, so if prices are higher… for better service.. almost sounds like a store… Guess you’re right, silly! :)

  13. Falconfire says:

    Im surprised nothing has been said about the revelation that Ebay is giving Scientology full access to their databases to purge them of anything related to them like the e-meters.

  14. jdjonsson says:

    Crap, there’s an auction I’m interested in ending on Sunday. Is the auction over by then? Oh well, I’ll never win it. I’m pretty sure my bid will be too low. There are too many idiots willing to grossly overpay for things.

  15. jdjonsson says:

    …er, is the boycott over by then?…

  16. @snoop-blog: As a sniper myself (I actually sit in front of the computer, I don’t have no fancy program), I feel it’s the same as in a real auction. There’s always a guy who throws a highish bid at the end, and doesn’t give the guy before a chance to think if he can go higher. That said, I too have been sniped by people. I don’t know if they are using programs. I also didn’t know there was a boycott. Darn, because I just bought 2 vintage adjustable razors on Lifehackers Advice on wet shaving, amongst other things.

  17. Javert says:

    @Falconfire: C’mon. You drop a bomb like this, what is your source? I am accusing I just want a link.

    Odd. Every acts like eBay is some sort of scam. I have since its inception, I have purchased / sold over 500 items and have had only 1 problem. It is a great way to obtain that freaky item you just have to give for Christmas. Also, kudos to Ebay for doing away with seller to buyer feedback. There is a troublesome practice where the seller does not leave feedback until the buyer does, thus holding them hostage. I was nailed by this 2 weeks ago when I mentioned that the guy sent the item COD and would not correc the error. He left me bad feedback saying it was the post offices fault. Way to work with the customer.

  18. KenB525 says:

    The boycott isn’t stopping me from bidding on a few things ending today, thats for sure.

  19. zomgorly says:

    I canceled my account with them after hearing about the changes. But I have been frustrated for some time regarding fake bidders, who never pay and over bid then being charged three times on selling my notebook that was never really sold. I can sell my items faster elsewhere.

  20. nequam says:

    Everybody! The boycott has to do with sellers not buyers. One participates by not listing any items.

  21. ddwibb says:

    .·:*¨”*:·.A+·:*¨¨*:·.FIVE.·:*¨”*:·.STAR·:*¨¨*:·.BUYER·:*¨”**·!!

  22. NefariousNewt says:

    I have not bought or sold anything on eBay in years. Frankly, I went to craigslist to find things I was looking for.

  23. gingerCE says:

    I buy from ebay occasionally–but if people are boycotting I think I’ll go look for deals.

    Is half.com affected? I buy a lot of used books off that site.

  24. @Falconfire: Meanwhile, at E-bay headquarters, a surge in searches for E-meters and Scientology related items soars after 11:00am PST, and has E-Bayman stumped.

  25. UpsetPanda says:

    @ddwibb: Dear God, I didn’t realize consumerist.com redirected to Xanga.

  26. Ariah says:

    A++++++ great company would eBay again

  27. kimsama says:

    @ddwibb: Hahahahahahahahaa

    Ten years ago that seemed so cool, didn’t it?

  28. Geekybiker says:

    @Javert: Well from a seller’s side, negative feedback is much more damaging. Its very easy for scam buyers to claim non-existent damage, not-as described, etc and then blackmail sellers into issuing refunds etc. At least having the option to return feedback for scam buyers gave you some small leverage. I’m expecting a sharp upturn in negative feedback from buyers over petty things.

  29. friendlynerd says:

    I love eBay – I buy and sell all the time and have only been burned once. Even then, they made it right with a PayPal chargeback at the fraudulent seller and I was only out the return shipping.

  30. shadow735 says:

    @snoop-blog: I am a sniper, if I see something I really want I pick the max price I want to pay then I enter that amt, and it bid me above the highest bider if my highest amt is the highest, I do this at the last 3-5 sec of the auction.
    Yes I know I suck. But I am 80% evil too.

  31. MDSasquatch says:

    I consider sniping a form of entertainment; I find it highly amusing, especially when I try to picture in my mind the poor sap I just sniped.

    It all boils down to multiple windows and a DSL line.

    FUN—–FUN—–FUN

  32. ArtlessDodger says:

    Please help me with my ignorance. What would eBay’s purpose be for disallowing a seller to leave neutral or negative feedback about a buyer? What purpose does this serve? Thanks.

  33. evilinkblot says:

    A+++++++++++++++++++ AWESOME BIDDER!!!!!!!!

  34. clevershark says:

    I have my own “boycott” going, except I like to call it “I don’t want to buy stuff I don’t need just because it’s marginally cheaper than the same stuff in stores”.

    I would hope that it’ll catch on, eventually…

  35. friendlynerd says:

    @MDSasquatch:

    Or you could just use AuctionStealer like I do. It’s automated and free. Definitely won a few things that way!

    As a seller and a buyer I don’t see what anyone’s problem is with sniping. If you were willing to pay that much, you could have put in that bid earlier. Or sniped it like I did.

  36. shadow735 says:

    @Javert: as a seller as well as buyer I always exaust all avenues before negative feedback, as a seller I have never had to leave negative feedback. Customer service is very important to me But I do not leave feedback until the buyer does.
    Why do I do this? Because I have sold many items and recieved no feedback when I left feedback right after I recieved payment.
    By not leaving feedback for the buyer until they leave me feedback it makes sure that it is a mutual thing.
    I am not holding them hostage. I just want to make sure I am getting feedback once the customer is satisfied with thier purchase.
    as a seller Feedback is very important I have 100% feedback and plan on keeping it which is why I always communicate with my customers to make sure if any problems arise that they are addressed.

  37. MDSasquatch says:

    I prefer the personal snipe, I get much more satisfaction out of doing it myself

  38. Geekybiker says:

    @MDSasquatch: You actually still snipe manually? Jbidwatch. Use it.

  39. deadlizard says:

    eBay’s arrogance reminds me of AOL in their golden era of the dialup modem. I’m moving my shop to Amazon and not coming back. I’m even giving discounts to people who pay me through Google Checkout instead of PayPal. Goodbye eBay!

  40. maevro says:

    NO! Without Ebay, what will my mom do all day? She lives for Ebay where she constantly buys and sells.

    They have always nickeled and dimed their customers and even their sellers, but where else are you going to sell that ugly pillow set thats been in the attic for the past 25 years??

  41. Geekybiker says:

    They say they are removing it since some sellers were abusing it, leaving retaliatory negative feedback. I just wish that buyers were obligated to contact the seller and give reasonable time to come to a resolution before being able to leave negative feedback. Right now you get negatives from a buyer with no warning, no contact, no chance to fix what went wrong.

  42. mrmysterious says:

    Ebay died when it went from a regular people selling their old crap to crappy retailers selling their crap.

  43. @friendlynerd: @Geekybiker: That is a lazy persons way. Besides, what if your clock is off, your cpu freezes, etc. You’re like those people who have their butler phone in the bid to the auction.

    @MDSasquatch: @shadow735: I’m with you. Except that I use the Casio Wristwatch I wear which syncs up 4 times a day to place my bid in about the last ~1 sec of the auction. I have many auctions where I get an email telling me I won BEFORE I get one saying my bid was confirmed. Honestly, I get kind of a rush when I sit there with my finger on the mouse with my (hopefully) high bid entered, and the pointer on “confirm bid”.

  44. MDSasquatch says:

    EXACTLY, the rush is better than the snipe and I get some weird satisfaction from knowing that someone got sniped and is slightly disappointed.

    I too have been sniped, so I am entitled!

  45. sir_eccles says:

    @Javert: It isn’t really as crazy as it sounds, although the slashdot article I first saw it in made a big thing about it. Essentially any compny can sign up to Ebay’s Vero program and gets the same access.

    [yro.slashdot.org]

    [pages.ebay.in]

  46. Sure I could agree with you, but then we'd BOTH be wrong. says:

    There was a boycott?

  47. darkened says:

    I saw an article about this else where earlier today and it showed me the website eCrater.com where it has ZERO SELLER FEES. I have some xbox 360 games that need sold and eBay and Amazon.com want to jack like $10 of my sale of a $50 item, robbery. I know where I’ll be selling my items now, if any1 needs halo 3 or bioshock in retail sealed packaging feel free to drop me a pm.

  48. trinidon2k says:

    I used to do the multiple windows thing too…until I found Baygenie.

    I plan on not listing anything for sale on ebay this week as well. I will be buying though since I already have snipes set up for tomorrow.

  49. @MDSasquatch: I have an auction ending in ten minutes that I’m already getting worked up towards the end. I made sure my watch matches Ebay’s time, and can almost taste the tire inflater/wrench tool.

  50. shadow735 says:

    @MDSasquatch: @Git Em SteveDave:
    Oh yeah the heart starts pounden and you get the shakes its just like playing the game Hot pursuit with a Cop chasing you. heh heh what a rush!!

  51. AnonUser1 says:

    @darkened: Yeah, that sounds like a business model that’s going to work.

  52. theblackdog says:

    I’m torn on disallowing negative feedback, because I did have a seller use it in retaliation for the honest feedback I left them.

    I bought a textbook from a seller using half.com and it was advertised as being a hardcover book. I received a softcover book instead. After trying to deal with the seller who never responded, I left a negative feedback that they sent the wrong item and never responded.

    The seller responded by changing the description of the item, and then leaving negative feedback on my profile that they had advertised it as a softcover. Despite E-mailing E-bay and the seller with screenshots of the item page that had not been altered, nothing was done. It’s my only ding on my reputation on Ebay, and it royally pisses me off.

    Since there’s potential for abuse on both sides, there has to be a better solution for leaving feedback, more than just letting sellers respond to feedback left by buyers.

  53. Sherryness says:

    @Javert:
    That’s called retaliatory feedback, or something like that (I can’t remember the exact name), and it’s a real problem. And I’m sure that is what they are trying end when they took away the seller’s ability to leave neg or neutral feedback to a buyer. I’ve both bought and sold, though not at a really high rate. My feedback is something like 274 – 100% positive. And I’ve only ever had to give negative feedback once ever, on a buyer who bailed on me and never wrote back. Been pretty lucky, I guess. eBay is hit and miss lately, both in hunting good deals and selling. Not quite the hotbed of action it used to be, to me. Now it’s more like a storefront.

  54. @Git Em SteveDave: I got outsniped.

  55. laserjobs says:

    I list everything on GOOGLE BASE now for free and use Google Checkout. All my products come up on Google product search and I have no time limit to sell. It works much better than paying eBay for a Fixed Price.

  56. MDSasquatch says:

    sucks, huh?

  57. se7a7n7 says:

    I run an eBay consignment store. The new higher Final Value fee is awful, going from 5% to 8%!!! That price cuts deeply into peoples profits. Considering that eBay does very, very little actual work to get this money. Also factor in Paypal’s cut and now eBay is getting about 10 – 12% of every sale!!!

    And not being able to leave negative feedback for a non-paying bidder causes a much bigger problem than it solves.

    2 weeks ago I sold a Korg keyboard for a client that went for $1,300. The winning bidder won a similar but smaller KORG 3 hours later. She paid for neither of them!! So I had still pay eBay about $50 Final Value Fee until the item dispute was finished. At the same time The client was getting anxious because he was wanting to get paid for his keyboard and I haven’t been able to do that yet because there is a long process of resolving the the dispute and having to relist the item.

    So for eBay to say that non-paying bidders won’t get a negative comment to ridiculous.

    And, so you know, the reason eBay says they want to do away with negative comments for buyers is because they believe that when new users get negative comments for not paying, they don’t use eBay anymore. Well guess what eBay? Those users are never going to pay for their stuff.

  58. ExVee says:

    I’m pretty much finished selling on Ebay at this point, but while I might still if I come across something hot I know I can get a good turn over with, once the feedback changes go live, I’m through for good. Not to say I’m a bad seller, but I don’t trust buyers.

    …on the other hand, if the changes were in effect right now, I’d be leaving negative feedback for someone I just bought from. But I’m not because I don’t want to risk retaliation even though I did everything properly. That’s the angle Ebay claims in making the feedback changes. Buyers (especially newly signed up ones) can leave the feedback they feel honestly describes things without fear of getting a bad score right out of the gate.

    I don’t think these changes will stick anyway. They’ll be around a while, and the reaction will hopefully sour more and more until Ebay has to reverse them for fear of losing revenue. *OR*, as the number of sellers drop off, they’ll just keep upping the fees on the ones who stick around to balance it. Or maybe both.

    But pretty soon none of us will have any money to waste on Ebay anyway, so it’s really not a big deal in the long run. We’re already screwed, all we’re doing right now is waiting for the economy to finish its spiral down the toilet.

  59. bohemian says:

    I started boycotting Ebay over a year ago. They just kept eating into sellers earning and making everything more and more unfriendly to sellers. Buyer side scammers took advantage of this and it just got old making less money and having about every 10th transaction not paying, being Nigerian or claiming they never got something I have a delivery receipt for.

  60. Alex Morse says:

    I think that ebay changing the buyer feedback is one of the best things they’ve done in quite a while.

    For a large number of big sellers, you simply couldn’t leave neutral or negative feedback, because they will wait till they get your feedback, and slap the same on you–regardless of the real situation.

    One thing they could do that would be more fair to both sides is limit the timing a seller is allowed to leave feedback on the buyer. Like, immediately after receiving their money. That or disable to ability to leave feedback on the buyer after the buyer leaves feedback on the seller. They keep the ability for sellers to be able to respond to negative feedback.

    It seems like a lot of sellers are getting upset that they’ll have to deal with people in an honest manner.

    I’m no power seller. I’ve got about 200 transactions on one account and a hundred on another I’ve never received negative feedback except as retaliation from a seller that I left the same on.

  61. Kyoko says:

    and what incentive it has for me as a regular ebay member in this boycott?

  62. Angryrider says:

    @Kyoko: Yes. I wonder that as well. I only buy the occasional item that I can’t buy in retail, like some anime DVDs I should have bought years ago but didn’t have the money, or an old game.

  63. @MDSasquatch: Yeah, but I won one last night, and if I don’t like it(a vintage DE adjustable razor, a Gillette Fatboy), I KNOW I can recoup the money b/c I got it for ~30 w/shipping. The item was not described very well, and unless you knew what the razor looks like, you never would have guessed from the title or description. I honestly could re-list it at 35 plus shipping, and get at least one bid, if not more.

    There’s another great Ebay. Finding those hidden treasures that are mislisted by wading through a huge list of auctions. One thing I hate about nowadays is that there are too many BIG sellers, and not too many of the little guys. Although, it seems like Ebay cares nothing about them.

  64. boandmichele says:

    i know this will harm several legitimate sellers, but this is GREAT for all the idiots that resell things such as Wii’s and concert tickets.

    screw those guys as much as possible, IMO.

  65. MercuryPDX says:

    @Git Em SteveDave: I use Bid Tamer [www.bidtamer.com] . I’ve never lost because their service was too slow to react, only because somone wanted something for $50 to $100 more than I wanted it for.

  66. darkened says:

    @AnonUser1: I know right, just like how craigslist survives from all of it’s listing fees… oh wait

  67. notallcompaniesareevil says:

    @shadow735: I don’t understand why people get so up tight about auction sniping. Here’s how to bid: pick a price that you think the item is worth. Bid it. That’s it! If you win, you get the item for what you thought it was worth, possibly less. If someone snipes you, they pay more than you, and they win the item. I fail to see why snipers are evil.

  68. @MercuryPDX: It’s not just getting the item. There’s a little bit of a rush. For me, it’s like hunting. You stalk your prey through the thousands of auctions, pick your target, hunt it, and wait to take the perfect shot. Sometimes you miss. Other times, you nail a nice heart/lung shot.

  69. jimconsumer says:

    @Alex Morse: limit the timing a seller is allowed to leave feedback on the buyer. Like, immediately after receiving their money. — No, see, here’s the thing: Just because you paid for the item does not mean you have completed your end of the bargain. Buyers pull all kinds of shit after they receive the item. I’ve had them demand I accept returns, even though my auctions clearly say “NO RETURNS ACCEPTED” (I do offer 3 day DOA warranties). I’ve had them demand I send them free accessories when the auction clearly stated, “x, y and z are not included.” I’ve had them pull my phone number from eBay’s system and harass me for weeks wanting free technical support on a piece of gear they have no idea how to use. Not to mention, lie about what they received, initiate a chargeback and defraud me of my item and the money.

    So, no. From my point of view, the buyer’s obligation is not over until they have received their item and left me positive feedback without pulling any stupid stunts. Once that has been complete, then I will leave them positive feedback. I’m not going on record saying, “Yeah, this guy is a good customer” until he actually is. Simply paying for the item is not enough.

    Oh, and my feedback record? I am a powerseller with several thousand ratings, 100% positive. I’ve left only one buyer a negative and that’s because the little prick made my life hell, complained about everything including the fact that I shipped it to him too fast. Go figure that one. I offered him a full refund several times and he refused. Even offered him a partial refund and he could keep the item. He just wanted to bitch about nothing. The other whiners I’ve had, we just agreed to not leave one another feedback and went our separate ways (but I banned them from ever buying from me again).

    I doubt I will sell much, if anything, on eBay ever again. The fees have become ridiculous and this feedback thing is a complete fuck up. I know retaliatory feedback is a problem but this is not the answer; there are many, many valid reasons to leave buyers negative feedback.

  70. coan_net says:

    Boycott of eBay….. pointless.

    eBay sales may be down 3% this week, but will be up 6% next week when everyone catches up on things.

    Kind of like when people “boycott” buying gas on certain days. They might sale less gas on one day, but it will even out since people will buy their gas the day before or after the “boycott”

    The only way to change eBay is to stop doing business with them. A “boycott” will do nothing.

  71. Snarkysnake says:

    Known facts about Ebay:

    1)Friendly to buyers, not friendly to sellers (especially if buyers use PayPal).

    2) Fees have gone up like clockwork since 2002.

    3) When scammers have wet,mastubatory dreams , Ebay is what they see.

    4) Feedback has become a weapon. In many cases,it’s the nuclear option.

    5) Ebay could give a shit if you leave.

    6) Sniping is the most fun you can have with your pants on.

    7) If there were a viable competitor, lots of folks would leave in an instant.

    That is all.

  72. vatica40 says:

    @mrmysterious:
    This is how I feel too. I used to check ebay first thing when I wanted something, now its almost the last place I check. I’m glad a bunch of ‘powersellers’ are up and leaving because that’s who I’d like to avoid. I could pay retail at a store, or I could go to ebay, pay retail with the ‘Buy it Now’ that they force anyway, in addition to the 1000% marked up shipping…. hmmm….

    If I want an online store I’ll go to an online store.

    It’s sad because on the radio in my area the “Make a gazillion bucks on ebay if you really really want to now for sure!!1″ ads have started popping up.

    ‘Powersellers’, if you want to be a business, be an actual business. If you don’t like what ebay is doing to you, please please leave. Hey! How about opening your own online store! What a novel idea! What? That would add legitimacy? Shocking!

  73. statnut says:

    @vatica40: And what about the non power seller? I tend to sell excess stuff there(like an old cell phone recently), but will all this, I’m ready to close up my paypal account and move on. Ebay has made it really hard to want to be part of its community, such as it is.

  74. sirwired says:

    I’ve been on eBay since before it was called eBay… (They even half-offered me a summer job in engineering once; I turned it down because I didn’t feel like going all the way to CA to take a summer job with some dinky startup. Oops.) I remember when their systems were struggling to handle 15,000 auctions at the same time… most payments (including paying eBay your fees) were done via Check or Money Order, as PayPal didn’t exist yet.

    My view is that it is now a horrible place to buy things you can easily get in a store. You simply are not going to get a deal any better than getting it from a store on sale, and there is an significant chance you are going to get scammed.

    For unique and/or used items, it can be great, as long as you have some idea of what it is worth. You can find things you cannot find anywhere else, and pay pretty reasonable prices for them.

    SirWired

  75. Falconfire says:
  76. Sherryness says:

    Reading this thread is giving me an itch to go hunt for cute sprint clothes for my 5-year-old son. I think I will!

  77. Sherryness says:

    * Oops, I meant SPRING not SPRINT

  78. Bladefist says:

    hahaha i had no idea, i bought my first item on ebay today in years. If you’re going to boycott make a little more well known.

  79. nequam says:

    As I said before, SELLERS are boycotting by not listing items. This is NOT a buyers’ boycott. [pulls hair out]

  80. helloitabot says:

    I enjoy buying things on ebay from sellers in Hong Kong and Japan, bypassing the US economy. If you look for the right things and know where you are looking on ebay, you can get great deals. Especially products made in Asia, I can usually find NEW items including shipping for less money than they cost in the US.

  81. StevieD says:

    what in hell is ebay?

  82. Kia says:

    I thank god that sellers can’t leave feedback for buyers. I’ve dealt with one too many crazy idiots on there that ruin my feedback score just in retaliation for me reporting on their own screw-ups.

  83. helloitabot says:

    Yeah also I bought a Sega Dreamcast from the other side of the country and it was shipped inside a box with no padding or anything. I thought it was reasonable for buyers to send negative feedback in this situation. I guess not because the guy left me negative feedback, for giving him negative feedback.

  84. shadow735 says:

    @vatica40: Not all sellers jab you with excessive shipping. I try to recycle boxes I rarely charge excessive shipping I usually guestimate but I do weigh large items for more accurate shipping cost, most of the time I undercut my self by a few dollars on shipping, I think the most I have over charged on shipping is just under $2 bucks, then again I require insurance and delivery confirmation which is included in the shipping charge that is listed and I ship thru Priority mail.

    But I know what type of sellers you are targeting the ones that list thier items for 99 cents and shipping for $75 stuff like that is crap.

    I am getting tired of Ebay raising fees, I will most likely leave in a year or so by then I will have my web site redone with a online store.
    Of course my advertizing cost will increase hah hah.

  85. boxjockey68 says:

    @ddwibb: you made me laugh out loud!

  86. jamar0303 says:

    @helloitabot: If you’re going to buy from HK or Japan Yahoo Auctions is a far better deal.

  87. ninjatales says:

    No money to spend right now so I’ll just pretend to go along with the sellers.

  88. Darkwish says:

    As an eBay employee, I personally find the boycott rather stupid. It’s a good time to list stuff – less competition from the power sellers. The only thing it’s hurting are the sellers who make their living off eBay. For the most part, the only thing I have noticed is less reports of counterfeit items or unauthorized use of copyrights/trademarks.
    The employees have had the same mixed reactions about the changes as everyone else, especially since most employees buy and sell on the site as well.
    And to the person complaining about the Scientology stuff: I don’t know of a single employee that’s into Scientology. They have to submit legal documents to have stuff removed, just like every other company. If you want more info on that, search the help pages for “VeRO”.
    As for my personal opinion on the feedback changes, I can see both the benefits and the drawbacks to it, for both the buyers and the sellers. While I understand eBay’s reasons for making the changes, I think they could have approached it differently and found a better solution.

  89. jamar0303 says:

    @Darkwish: If you look at the Slashdot article for the Scientology issue, you’ll wonder if anyone’s actually looking through the documents that they submit through VeRO. None of the items they have gotten removed actually infringe on any patents.

  90. tsunamibombsquad says:

    i recently bought a vintage rolleiflex using the “buy it now” option…immediately the seller contacts me saying his acct is frozen and wont send the item because he cant get his money for an unknown period. he tells me it must be settled in dispute…im working with him but im in cali hes in hong kong…also my credit card company woudlnt do anything until the charge went thourgh….they wouldnt just let me cancel the charge or do a chargeback until they contact the seller!! laaaame…..and paypal says they only reimburse up to 200 in the event that the guy took the money out already and is lying through his teeth….i dont know feels like im getting scammed. chargeback should work then im done with ebay….this other seller never sent me my iphone silicone case even though their rating was 5000….only like 60 negative…seemed a good ratio…still waiting both disputes out. ebay and paypal both suck

  91. tsunamibombsquad says:

    @jamar0303: how do you get it translated?

  92. tsunamibombsquad says:

    my only problem with boycotting ebay is then where do you go for leica m3s…old military issue surplus, rolleflexes…concert posters….vinyls…amazon.co.uk is good ebay.co.au is better still…maybe something in New zealand anyone?

  93. Darkwish says:

    @jamar0303: I have not read the Slashdot article you mentioned, so I can’t comment on it. However, I agree that there are some that try to abuse the VeRO program and the DMCA to remove things they don’t like. This happens with most sites, not just eBay, and they are all trying to comply with the law when they receive the removal requests.
    Things do get reviewed, but eBay also listens to the advice of their lawyers, just like most companies do.
    One thing to keep in mind: they have to sign/submit legal documents to have things removed from eBay. I don’t claim to be a legal expert, but if their claims are false in those documents, it could be used against them should they be taken to court, especially since the documents say “under penalty of perjury” at the top. (I’m not sure how to link it, but the documents and other info can be found in the eBay help pages.)
    Getting back on the topic of the post, I think it will be interesting to see what results this little boycott actually has, if any. Maybe the Consumerist will post a follow up on this next week.

  94. Ailu says:

    Ugh. I’ve been following eBay’s record for years now, ever since I became a BIG fan in the late 90’s. But sadly, the easy money has morphed them into a stinkin school of greedy piranhas. Arbitrarily raising fees, intimidating their sellers on their forums, buying Paypal and banning Google checkout – they’ve no shame whatsoever.

    They’ve gotten so corrupt, it makes me feel dirty, even browsing their site. I rarely do so anymore – and only when I’m looking for price comparisons. I’ll even pay more somewhere else, just to avoid the filthy feeling I would surely get by the thought of helping fill their soiled pants with profits. Truthfully, I haven’t bought anything there in over a year – and I used to shop there nearly every week.

    And no – I’ve never sold a single thing on eBay.

  95. dharma261 says:

    @trickonion: I got screwed by a seller, and at this point I will not go into it but here line of problem that I had with them (not me) [blogs.ebay.com] Basically is the story was if I don’t completly agree with there TOTAL directions it was my fault. I had a number of shelving products shipped to me, and they came in a big box so everything looked ok. Put together I noticed crushed corners on the shelves. I guess my bad because I couldn’t telepathically tell they were crushed when they were delivered in a big box. I was told that in the end I was a “liar” and was left bad feedback. The email from them was simplest form is if “you don’t leave me positive feedback, I will give you negative feedback” no matter what, which is what they did. Didn’t bother dealing with, everything but I should have rejected the package that I wasn’t home for. As with anything, Buyer beware….

  96. Momcat57 says:

    Is the eBay Boycott working?

    Hmmm…let’s see…

    Listings are DOWN, sell-thru rate is DOWN, stock price is DOWN….

    New user sign-ups and listings on other venue are UP…

    This long-time eBay seller has joined two new auction sites… Ola.com and Overstock… and listed items that would have gone on eBay….

    So, IMHO, is the Boycott working? YOU BETCHA!!!!!!

  97. mike says:

    Man, I don’t even sell stuff on ebay anymore. I’ve had much better luck with craigslist. It’s free, deal with cash, no shipping.

    No fuss, no muss.

  98. WhirlyBird says:

    The trick to using eBay successfully is to remember that it’s not the mall; it’s the world’s largest garage sale. I have *never* bought new merchandise from eBay; that’s where most of the scammers are. But when you want that cool velvet black-light poster you had back in high school, then eBay is the shit. I’ve spent several thousand dollars at eBay over the last few years, buying useless nostalgic crap I don’t need, and never had a hassle. Just don’t try to buy a Wii, and you’ll be OK.

  99. frogman31680 says:

    I always hated using ebay but seeing how there is now alternative, I guess I’m stuck.

    I hate the fact now that you can’t say that you DONT take paypal because we haven’t for the longest time because of some bank account theft issues. But now I HAVE to use them. So, when my auction is over, Ebay gets a cut of the money, then they pay by paypal, and THEY get a cut of the money. If the item sells for a buck, I might as well tell the person they can have it for free.

    And to not allow me to leave bad feedback for the numerous amount of people that do not pay for items is just wrong.

    But if I can’t speak ill about them, I guess, thanks to ebay’s policies, I can take them to small claims court for my money. Since every bid is a “Binding Legal Contract”

    Of course, that would probably change soon to.

    Thanks for letting me rant.

  100. firesign says:

    i’ve bought a few laptop batteries and stuff from ebay that i couldn’t get or find cheaper in a store, and have only had problems with one seller. i also unabashedly use a snipe program. i do my homework and i know how much i’m willing to pay for an item. if someone outbids that, they’re welcome to the item. i’ll just get it elsewhere. i snipe because i got tired of never, ever winning an ebay auction by regular bidding.

  101. coraspartan says:

    I used to buy a lot of stuff on eBay, but rarely do anymore–I can usually find stuff cheaper elsewhere. The only things I buy on there anymore are unusual or vintage items I can’t find anywhere else.

    I used to sell on eBay too, but since they raised their fees on pretty much everything, I stopped making money and therefore stopped selling. Now I just craigslist it and if I can’t sell it there, I donate it for the tax deduction.

  102. thalia says:

    Buyers think this is great for them, but after a few weeks when all products on eBay are only available at retail price because eBay is raping the sellers…we’ll see if buyers are still happy about the changes!

  103. WhirlyBird says:

    @nursethalia: I’ll be ecstatic. Only a poltroon would buy new/retail merchandise from eBay – I wouldn’t mind if all those scammers left and never came back. Them we can get back to selling one-of-a-kind garage-sale crap, which is what auctions are intended for.

    If someone wants to open an online store for selling new stuff, go somewhere else.