A legally blind New York woman sued several fast food restaurants for ridiculing her when she asked for help reading their menus, but a federal judge threw out the suit on the grounds that “ADA laws don’t regulate ‘rudeness or insensitivity’ of workers.” Last week, however, an appeals court overturned that ruling and now the suit—” believed to be the first of its kind—could go before a jury this year.”
Camarillo said annoyed workers served other customers before reading her just a partial list of their offerings. Camarillo can read large print when she holds it close, but can’t make out most menus.
During a visit to Burger King, employees “laughed and stared” and pointed her in the direction of the men’s room when she asked for a bathroom, she claims.
At Taco Bell, a cashier told her to wait until the rest of the customers had ordered.
Here’s what the appeals court had to say about the matter:
“Put simply, Camarillo cannot experience full and equal enjoyment of defendants’ services if she is unable to access the list of the services available to her,” the appeals court said.“While restaurants are not necessarily required to have on hand large print menus that Camarillo would be able to read, they are required to ensure that their menu options are effectively communicated to individuals who, like Camarillo, are legally blind,” the judges wrote.
(Thanks to Jim!)
“Fast food employees mocked a blind woman who needed help reading menu” [Daily News]
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@Phipps6505: Don’t be offended. All I was saying is that legally blind is not the same as blind, and I’ll go so far as saying that there are varying degrees of ‘legal blindness’, some being more drastic than others. She has one eye, probably with severely denatured lens and no cornea function to speak of given that she can see up close; how she got that way is beyond anything I’ve searched for, perhaps an accident, perhaps born with it. Doesn’t matter. She sounds like she’s been around for a decent score of years, given the fact that she was able to take appropriate action in filing a lawsuit. Don’t you think that if she has been around that long, she would have a basic knowledge of what is on a McDonald’s or Burger King menu? Or in the unlikely event of her never being in any of the places, how did she know where to find a fast food outlet of the differing types? I’m willing to wager she has used them before, and the menu rarely changes from crappy, deep-fried tar to something more exquisite. I’ve been in a Taco Bell a handful of times, yet if I were to go there right now, I’d request something simple, such as a burrito because I know they’ll have it or something like it, and if they don’t, they’ll correct me. If there is more than one type of burrito, the worker would point that out and ask me if I would want a more refined selection, so I could find out more of the menu using more passive tactics, as opposed to humiliating the worker and wasting other customers time by reading the entire menu.
A sit down restaurant would make more sense, not financially perhaps, but the waiting staff are, in general, more helpful and friendly. Instead of having an entire menu read to her, she could have said, “I feel like chicken; any suggestions?” That would have even worked in a fast food setting, you get the drift. She went looking to humiliate either herself or someone else, turns out it was her, and now she’s taking legal action.
Sorry for any offense I may have done to you and your’s, accept my apologies, I was merely trying to say that she is not as helpless as she makes herself out to be.
@just_paranoid: “how’s that.”
That’s pretty weak logic I would say. News articles are not authored as legal documents. Journalists are not lawyers nor judges. Their interest is in a good story and the search for truth takes a back seat. Therefore news articles omit facts, even important facts, all the time.
So if you think that if X is not mentioned in the news item, then X did not happen, you are on thin ice.
@shufflemoomin:
I do. Usually when I wander into a fast food place it is far from my first choice, and usually out of desperation. Such is the set of conditions that found me searching the McDonalds menu yesterday for something that didn’t have any meat in it.
@snoop-blog:
No.
I had a supervisor once who was legally blind. It was due to congenital optic nerve defects. Glasses would never help him, because his eyes were just fine, the signal just wasn’t getting to his brain intact.
He could see enough to walk around and to read things right in front of his face, but he’d never be able to drive, or read anything more than a foot or two away. He was an IT guy, and he’d spend most of the day with his face about 3 or 4 inches from the screen, squinting and blinking.
He compensated for his disability in one really remarkable way. We had dozens of different software packages deployed around the department. He knew every single serial number, for all of them, from memory. He’d just rattle off 16 and 20 digit alphanumeric serials like it was nothing.
@lemur: so your telling me, you believe that she did escalate properly? i know common sense is not all that common, but c’mon, what does your gut tell you after reading the ARTICLE, not the post.
Based on her description of the events, I would certainly say that the fast food workers denied her equal service on the basis of her disability. I’m actually surprised this case is considered a landmark.
@Steel_Pelican: The basis of my use and meaning of Karma is no different then how any religion uses it. [en.wikipedia.org]
The only difference is I dont prescribe to any specific religion in its use but the meaning hasnt changed. Nor does it’s base definition.
The fact that I believe in the core aspect of Karma and that every persons actions has a resulting action or consequence, has no effect on it meaning just because I am not Buddist, or any other religion that uses karma in its doctrine.
@HeyHermano:
Fast food employees don’t need to be “PR savants.” They just need to be properly trained so that they don’t commit torts on behalf of their employers. If the restaurants don’t want to bother training them, then they’re inviting lawsuits.
@modenastradale: then why isn’t she suing for discrimination? her lawyer to stupid to figure out that she was discriminated against? or he knows he has got no legit case for discrimination and is therefore trying to shame them into paying up.
@shadow735: Karma isn’t about punishment or reward (as per the Wikipedia article you cited), but you said it would “kick you in your heartless bully attitude asses,” which sounds an awful lot like retribution to me.
And my comment was in regard to your attempts to remove religious significance from the concept of Karma, or attempt to re-define it by virtue of its popular misuse.
But even so, as just_paranoid pointed out, there’s no reason to bring superstition into (what should be) a discussion of a lawsuit that is clearly without merit. You can call us “heartless” “pricks” all you want, but the fact remains that we expect equality to be protected by the government, and granting disabled citizens special emotional protection not afforded to non-disabled citizens is discrimination.
Call it superstition but to me it is a belief, positive gets you positive, negative gets you negative. You brought in the religious specification not I, call it retribution if you want, label my use a mis-use but again I will tell you that your only basic for your objection to my use of Karma is that I am not in a religion that uses Karma in its doctrine so go ahead and tell me I am using it wrong because that is your opinion.
The fact is its not about equal emotional protections its about treating a disabled person with the same respect as one that isn’t, taunting pointing, telling where the womens restroom is when its the mens doesn’t sound to me like emotional distress, that’s like a bully picking on someone that cant fight back. Then making her wait while they service everyone else? You don’t see anything wrong with that? Where is the equality there? Yeah she was treated equally for sure.
If you are prescribing yourself as someone that makes fun of people because of their disabilities then that’s your life and choice but your choice will reflect the type of person you are. If you can live with that then have a great life.
People that enjoy making fun of other people that they know cant or wont fight back only demonstrate that they are trying to make themselves feel better because they have some underlying emotional problems.
You say her lawsuit is without merit, fact is that’s your opinion based on what is in the article I doubt it’s the whole story. I am looking at the basic discrimination portion which is the basis of the suit, so go ahead and tell me that there is no case.
@shadow735: Let me get this straight: because you’re not a part of an established religion that believes in Karma, you can believe in whatever you want and call it Karma, and that doesn’t disrespect the millions of people who believe in its established meaning?
It’s only discrimination if she was denied service, or reasonable accommodations weren’t made to ensure her access. And since she’s not suing for being denied service, but rather for what appears to be “emotional distress” there is no merit in the discrimination claim, since current US law doesn’t protect you from having your feelings hurt, or protect you from “rude” treatment.
I don’t make fun of disabled people. I don’t agree with the way she was treated, but in legal terms, there’s no case here. And if there were, it would set the dangerous precedent that disabled citizens are entitled to more respect than non-disabled citizens. She had plenty of options to redress her grievances outside of the judicial system, but it would appear from the article that she did not seek those options.
Her best course of action would have been to hound the restaurants’ management until the offending employees were terminated or disciplined, instead of bringing suit on the parent corporation, which will likely lead to an out-of-court settlement, cost-cutting on the restaurant’s behalf, and decreased quality of service for everyone else.
HOLD THE PRESSES! I JUST GOT BACK FROM RALLY’S AND I ASKED FOR KETCHUP, HE GAVE ME AN ATITUDE, AND DIDN’T PUT ANY KETCHUP IN THE BAG!!! …where’s my lawyer……..or do only disabled people get to sue for rude service?
@madanthony: Then you should have got there before she did. She walked in first? She gets served first before your self-centered ass.
also i guess i was playing with my stereo when he was trying to give me my change and he yelled HERE! in a rude way…. what a jerk. they were also laughing and pointing at something, i’m sure they were making fun of how short i am. i called the corporate hq, and they were all apologetic, but i don’t think they really meant it so, im going to sue….
and after all that i found out they didn’t put cheese on my burger when i asked for it, and i consider that also to be rude. i wonder how more rediculous i could sound?
@Steel_Pelican: Because no one likes a line jumper? How would you feel if I cut in front of you in line? It’s that simple.
@unklegwar: So in other words you think a law designed to put the disabled on equal footing is idiotic?
God help you if you ever wind up a quadriplegic.
can we also sue airlines for this? if so, all you disabled people need to start flying more so we can make laws forcing airline employees to be polite. they are a bunch of bitches!
Your statement makes no sense at all, How exactly am I disrespecting the millions who believe in its established meaning, exactly what according to you is the established meaning.
This is my understanding of Karma,
If we accept that the logical ethical consequence of the law of karma is to behave responsibly, and the tenet of the law of karma is essentially “if you do good things, good things will happen to you – if you do bad things, bad things will happen to you,” then it is possible to identify analogs with other religions that do not rely on karma as a metaphysical assertion or doctrine.
The idea of karma was popularized in the Western world through the work of the Theosophical Society. Kardecist and Western New Age reinterpretations of karma frequently cast it as a sort of luck associated with virtue: if one does good or spiritually valuable acts, one deserves and can expect good luck; conversely, if one does harmful things, one can expect bad luck or unfortunate happenings.[citation needed] In this conception, karma is affiliated with the Neopagan law of return or Threefold Law, the idea that the beneficial or harmful effects one has on the world will return to oneself. Colloquially this may be summed up as ‘what goes around comes around
Sorry but where exactly amd I misusing the word Karma, where in my belive in Karma am I disrespecting any religion?e you to tell my that my belief is wrong and that by belieiving the way I am I disrespect other religions?
Sorry I still don’t agree its just about feelings, she was disabled, they made fun of here pointed her to the mens restoom when she needed to go to the bathroom, took other people in line before her. Sorry but what if they did that to a black person, or an asian, or a retarded person, or any other person. Would it not be ok then?
Why, fact is that it is plain discrimination, you don’t have to be denied service to be discriminated against, where exactly would this case mean disabled people get more respect then non disabled, they didn’t help her, they made fun of her, they taunted her, pointed at her. So if she wins her case how exactly is this going to mean non-diabled people will get less respect and diabled people get more.
So does getting special help mean non diabled are not getting respect? Let me see, she cant see good so needs more time to get helped. Sorry I cant see the connection here. Can you point it out to me?
That fact is the article didn’t say anything about any redress to the manager or corporations that she may or may not have made so in the end we don’t have all the facts.
What we do know is a Federal judge overruled a lower courts athourity on the case and stated the lady can sue under the Americans with Disabilities act.
How would you feel if you were mising an eye and couldn’t read the menu, or were in a wheelchair, or had some other diabilitiy and the employees told you to wait till the line of “normal” customers had been helped before you? How is that not discrimination. Exactly how is that an emotional issue. That’s discrimination, whats next after that discrimination based on race? How you look, oh you look like a terroorists let me help these white people first.
It’s the same concept. Plain and simple discrimination
@Steel_Pelican: ‘Cause it’s legal to be a jerk, but it’s not legal to fail to accommodate a disability in a reasonable way, and helping her with the menu is reasonable.
@shadow735: ok genius tell me this, if what happened to this woman is discrimination, why aren’t they suing for discrimination? are you smarter than this womans lawyer?
Because she is trying to get a new reading of the law added onto the ADA laws. It doesn’t fall under the realm of discrimination exactly so they are trying to get it determined as such. I doubt they are suing for rudeness they are probably suing for discrimination and the judge decided it didn’t meet the criteria and another judge decided it did it happens alot and thats how precendences are set.
@snoop-blog: What we do know is a Federal judge overruled a lower courts athourity on the case and stated the lady can sue under the Americans with Disabilities act.
[en.wikipedia.org]
The ADA is a wide-ranging civil rights law that prohibits, under certain circumstances, discrimination based on disability. It affords similar protections against discrimination to Americans with disabilities as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which made discrimination based on race, religion, sex, national origin, and other characteristics illegal.
There you go, so you want to make any more smart comments.
@shadow735: you still didn’t answer my question. and the article also said: “Sharpe said ADA laws don’t regulate “rudeness or insensitivity” of workers.” sharp is only a federal judge but what does he know. this woman is going to lose in court and get stuck with the bill. rightfully so.
the appeals judge just probably needed some good p.r…..it is election year. just because they overturn it does not give it any more merit imo.
@snoop-blog: I did answer it, Go read the article again
“A federal judge in Albany threw it out, saying the law doesn’t require restaurant workers to be polite.
Yesterday, a Manhattan federal appeals court overruled the lower court, and Camarillo can sue the restaurants under the Americans with Disabilities Act. “
Federal appeals court overrules Federal district courts it goes up the chain …
It goes Federals District Courts, then Federal Court of Appeals, then The United States Supreme Court which has the final say and over rules all other courts.
@snoop-blog: here is some info to mull upon what discrimination against a disabled person is.
Title III – Public Accommodations (and Commercial Facilities)
no individual may be discriminated against on the basis of disability with regards to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, or accommodations of any place of public accommodation by any person who owns, leases (or leases to), or operates a place of public accommodation. “Public accommodations” include most places of lodging (such as inns and hotels), recreation, transportation, education, and dining, along with stores, care providers, and places of public displays, among other things.
Sorry but if they made her wait for service and took all the other customers before her and pointed her to the mens restroom when she was a woman they denied her full and Equal enjoyment of the goods and services provide by the restaurants.
I am sure a Federal appeals Judge would just go in favor of the lady just for some good pr. Good thing your not a Judge because If they do overturn another federal judge they obviously know that there is a case for discrimination.
This bothers me on so many levels. First, she obviously went from place to place looking for things to take offense at. Second, oh my god get some shades. Third, and most important – what kind of idiot has to read the menu at fast food places? They have the same f**king thing the last time you went there. In fact, they’ve had the same f**king things for the last 20 years. And if it’s new, you’ve heard of it on TV. There is no excuse to not already know what is offered, and ideally you should already know what you want to order before you walk in the damn door. Ugh.
Still, my avatar can relate — [www.youtube.com]
@snoop-blog:
Judges at the U.S. Court of Appeals are not elected. They’re appointed by the president for life, and cannot be removed from office except by impeachment.
Try again.
@jimconsumer: I’m with you. The bathroom thing is messed up, but otherwise I’m not sure how you would prove in court that the staff was making fun of her. It’s pretty routine for a young staff to be cutting up, pointing, and laughing at any place they work. Human nature makes us think they must be laughing at us, but really there is no way to prove that. Where are the other customers or witnesses?
Well, according to the Americans with disabilities act, “Public accommodations must comply with basic nondiscrimination requirements that prohibit exclusion, segregation, and unequal treatment.” And a fast food restaurant is considered a “public accomodation” under the act. It does also state, though, that “They also must comply with specific requirements related to[...]reasonable modifications to policies, practices, and procedures; effective communication with people with hearing, vision, or speech disabilities; and other access requirements.”
I guess, per the legal definitions, she has a right to a lawsuit so long as she can prove that they did not effectively communicate with her, and that they provided unequal treatment. However, it’s hard to say whether being a jerk is not considered knowing how to effectively communicate with a vision impaired person as depicted in the law, or that by being jerks, that they were treating her in an unequal manner because of her vision impairment – and you can say, yes, because they made her wait to read “a partial list” of the menu to her until after other people ordered, but, one might argue that is not unequal treatment, because none of the other customers were requesting the menu be read to them.
Does it suck that they treated her badly, yes – but under the letter of the law, does she have a case that the way she was treated was in violation of the ADA?
@shufflemoomin: People who read the menu at fast food restaurants are patrons of said places that need to know if an item previously sold is still available (i.e. Shamrock Shakes, McRib), those from out of town (i.e. Texas residents visiting a different state who are used to seeing a McDonald’s Texas burger in Texas), and those visiting a restaurant in an out-of-place or different setting (some McDonalds sell hot dogs).
ADA
Oh get real. What a firetrucking abuse of power by the government. From the perspective of the small business owner the ADA compliance requirements are a costly expense.
Take wheelchair requirements.
My building has two small steps to the the front door landing. Two. Now I know a wheelchair can not easily transverse the steps. A ramp would seem reasonable IF that was the only entrance to the business. My SIDE door is ground level. No ramp needed, no need to try to wheel up a ramp. Would make life easier. So why not have handicap access at the SIDE door? Because according to ADA the ramp must be near the main entrance door yada yada.
Gotta have a wheelchair ramp for employee entrances with stairs as well. Why, can’t an employee use the side door? No, must have an wheelchair ramp, no exceptions.
Cost of wheelchair ramps for my main building? Easily $2500. Number of times wheelchair ramps used? Zero.
How do employees or customers in a wheelchair access the building? Side Door. Just plain common sense, something the ADA requirements lack.
i worked in a diner for a while, a tiny place where i was the only person behind the counter most times – meaning i was taking orders and cooking. there were a couple times when i had to read the entire menu to more than a few blind customers. why? because it was a tiny place, where the sale of every hamburger and milkshake counted, and we liked our customers to feel taken care of. basically – it wasnt a fast food dump. this is one more reason why people shouldn’t be eating this crap. i hope she wins 20 kajillion-zillion dollars in damages and puts all of those places out of business.
I think a lot of people are missing a very important point.
Should the restaurant employees have been nicer? Yeah. Duh. Not only is it a good business decision, but it’s a moral thing as well.
But… should the government be stepping in, telling people they *have* to be nice to a particular group of people? Do we really want thought police?
@alphafemale: How is it “obvious”? And if you’re so sure she’s intimately familiar with the “fucking” (might as well not sugarcoat your rudeness, eh?) menu, then please enlighten us how you’re familiar with her day-to-day activities. We’re waiting.
@StevieD: If you don’t like the rules, then why are you in business? You knew the rules and opened a business anyway. Why are you so special that the rules don’t apply to you? Oh yeah, and didn’t we get over the “a different entrance off to the side is not equivalent” thing back in the 60s?
@TheUncleBob: If regulations weren’t in place to help the disabled live a normal life, then they’d be treated like shit (well, even more than they are already treated like shit) because then there’d be no reason for anyone to get their head out of their ass and extend common courtesy to other humans. Is it sad that it had to be codified into law? Sure. But this discussion thread provides plenty of proof why it was necessary. All the rules say is that the disabled have to be accommodated in a reasonable fashion. How hard would it have been for these lazy, judgmental idiots to actually lift a finger and provide the small amount of help she required?
Apparently laughing, pointing, jeering, and saying “I’m tired of you” and slamming drivethru windows in the faces of the customers, even though it takes more time and results in firings, bad press for employers, public anger, lost customers after the news gets out, and even though it feels good to be helpful to other humans, is preferable.
THAT is why the ADA exists. And when you go through life with a vital life function severely impaired, as I do, you appreciate the ADA. It’s not just the big things, it’s the little things like subtitles on exhibit movies at a local butterfly house that make all the difference in the world.
Instead of bitching about being forced to do something, just do it, be a help, and realize you did someone a lot of good.
@nardo218:
You’re missing the point. Yes, they were mean and ridiculed her, but that does not warrant a lawsuit. Can you even *IMAGINE* how much more hopelessly, obscenely flooded the courts would become if everyone could sue people who were “mean” to them? The legal system is already a circus, but setting that prescedent would open one hell of a can of worms. As long as they complied to the mandate of the ADA (which they did, no matter how asshole-ish they were about it), there is no merit to her claim.
The woman’s situation is unfortunate and lamentable, but she doesn’t deserve a cash payout. The employees in question should be fired, however.
@snoop-blog: Federal judges are appointed for life. They don’t need any PR, election year or not.
@Joafu: I can only speak for experience. We go into a fast food place, my wife likes to know what’s on the menu. We go to Taco Bell once every couple of months, she usually asks me to rattle off the menu. It doesn’t strike me as unreasonable for a visually impaired person to ask someone about the menu. Yes, Colleen has been in the blasted restaurant many times before. But just as you or I probably unconsciously scan the menu when we walk in, she likes to have the same opportunity.
@alphafemale: troll.
@WraithSama: So say you. Not the Judge.
I’m surprised that so many of you seem to think that just because some of us don’t believe the whole of this woman’s story, that we are somehow saying that people with disabilities don’t deserve equal accessibility. This womans story would make more sense if she were simply suing over the lack of large print menus. To drag a lot of – in my opinion, unbelievable – tales of teens pointing and laughing, and purposely trying to humiliate her, only makes her seem delusional. The knee-jerk responses of absolute faith in what this woman says seems to be more a defense of the ADA than anything else. I certainly haven’t attacked the ADA in any of my posts. I’ve expressed my opinion on the validity of this woman’s claim. If her claim as merit on any level, she isn’t doing the disabled any favors by making it more about snickering cashiers than the availability of large print menus. Just because someone is disabled doesn’t mean they are above reproach.
It’s just a matter of the odds.
She is claiming this happened in a total of 7 restaurants.
Camarillo made the claims against Burger King restaurants in Catskill *1 and Hudson, N.Y., *2 operated by Carrols Corp.;
McDonald’s restaurants in Catskill *3 and Cairo, N.Y., *4 operated by Magliocca Stores Inc.;
a McDonald’s restaurant in Hudson *5, operated by Reeher Majik Inc.;
a Taco Bell restaurant in Kingston, N.Y., *6 operated by El Rancho Foods Inc.,
and a Wendy’s restaurant in Hudson, *7 operated by Wendonie LLC.
She claims she has been mocked and humiliated on more than one occasion in each of the 7 restaurants. I do not believe that people are that rude. Has anyone here ever seen anyone over the age of 10 point and laugh at a disabled person? In my 20+ years of hospitality and food service employment, I have never seen a single one of my coworkers, no matter thier age, treat anyone the way this woman claims to have been treated. If a person finds that the people they come in contact with on a regular basis are rude, perhaps they need to ask themselves why they piss everybody off.
[www.ca2.uscourts.gov:8080]
@pastabatman – what’re you 12 ?
Since this took place in New York she’d no doubt have also wanted them to read her the entire nutritional information on every single item on the menu as well.
Im going straight to hell. At least there’ll be people to serve me a taco supreme already there.
@Buran: It’s not an issue of complaining about doing something good or nice – it’s an issue of being “forced” to do it. It’s not “good” or “nice” if you don’t mean it. Additionally, if the ADA says that “I” have to be nice to a particular group of people, does that mean “I” can be rude to other people who aren’t protected by the law? That’s not equal, at all.
I’d say forgetting the rudeness, she probably deserves a small compensation for them serving other people ahead of her. It’s a minor inconvenience that sounds like it was done just because she was disabled and they weren’t prepared like they are supposed to be.
Probably they should also get whatever fine the ADA might stipulate for not having the large print menus (if they are supposed to provide that).
@alphafemale:
12? me?:
“Second, oh my god get some shades.”
Hilarious!
“Third, and most important – what kind of idiot has to read the menu at fast food places? They have the same f**king thing the last time you went there.”
The same idiot that doesn’t go to the brilliant mcdonalds a few times a month. Hard to believe, i know, but true.
I literally thought you posted simply to get a rise. You made amazing assumptions based on knowing nothing about the situation but coming to conclusions based on how you live your life and how all others should be.
So because you’ve never seen this happen, it therefore does not. Because you think ‘everyone’ should know what they want to order before they come in, she’s an idiot. or something. or whatever.
The biggest reason there is a knee jerk reaction to ‘believe’ her, at least for me, is that (although there are differing opinions)the judge felt that based on the information he/she had there was merit in the case.
That’s not to say that the other judge or judges thought she was lying, but that possibly they felt that under the law it had no merit.
So they find out she’s lying, THEN she’s an asshole. They find out shes not then guess who are the assholes.
Additionally, i really don’t think this is about rude behavior. It’s about people, and in a way, the sorta “culture” of the these restaurants, making the simplest things in life a royal pain in the ass because they’re lazy sh** heels and being completely fed up with the bullsh**.
@pastabatman:
Pasta, I agree 100%. AlphaGirl’s comments were juvenile and very provincial, and not at all helpful.
Personally, I tend to believe the woman’s story because I’ve witnessed similar cruelty before. On top of it, food restaurants in particular just don’t give a damn about their customers (especially in New York — personal experience — I don’t know why that is).
By the way, AlphaGirl, I didn’t think you were a troll, but your “oh my god get some shades” comment caused me to believe (or at least hope) that you were 10-15 years old yourself. Now that I know you’ve been in the workforce for 20 years, I feel just a little less confident in the state of our society.
@modenastradale:
*fast food