$800-$1600 Rebates Expected In Bush Stimulus Plan
It looks like Bush's economic stimulus package is going to take the form of instant cash bonuses: $800 for individuals and $1600 for married couples. That's dumb, everyone should get Costco coupons! All kidding aside, the NYT says the ~$500 rebates granted after the 2001 recessions proved "surprisingly effective...people spent most of the money rather than salting it away in savings or using it to pay down credit card debt. A 2004 study by economists at the Department of Labor, Princeton University, and the University of Pennsylvania found that households spent between 20 and 40 percent of the rebate within three months and another third in the following three months." Will this "wealth surge" be just what the countries needs to beat back the forces of recession holed up in our economy, terrorizing our financial well-being? Bring on Operation Cash Dump.
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@rickshawed: I don't think it is an advance, considering it will be sent to those who tend to owe taxes each year.
This would truly work if the government stopped spending money on pork to give the money back.
@davelawrence8: Not everybody got rebates last time. Only people who actually pay income taxes did (that may or may not be why you didn't and it's none of my business anyway).
But that sure pi$$ed the liberal democrats off last time because the poor people weren't getting rebates because they don't actually pay taxes to begin with.
Well, since the idea is to put money into the hands of the people who'll spend it, I'm sure the Bush Administration would agree to exempt the wealthy from this rebate as they already save at a higher rate. I mean, if that's the idea.
Truth be told, if I was given $800 today, I WOULD spend it. I'm already saving and running no credit card debt. Only debt is in student loans, which have a pretty good rate. XBox 360 and Rock Band here I come!
Oh, right, this is just a proposal and there is still that business of a Congress who might not be keen on Bush buying people's love yet again.
@ad8bc: Well, I believe those liberal Democrats weren't happy because those poor people who "don't pay taxes" actually DO pay taxes even if they don't pay income taxes.
If they get some work, they have payroll taxes. Oh, and sales taxes that disproportionately impact the poor. Not to mention local income and property taxes. (even renters pay property taxes; they just pay them to their landlord who pays them to the city/state) Very few people in this country actually pay NO money on taxes.
@ad8bc: It pi$$ed the liberal democrat$ off because Bush e$$entially bribed the country by telling them if he wa$ elected, everyone get$ 300 buck$! And he $till lo$t the popular vote.
"Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke entered the stimulus debate Thursday, endorsing the idea of putting money into the hands of those who would spend it quickly and boost the flagging economy."
That's exactly what we need, because idiots with their homes in foreclosure buying new LCD's will stimulate the economy!
I know a lady where I work...she makes about $10 an hour. Each year, her tax refund is in the range of $5k, due to the fact she has kids. I make almost double that, and if I am lucky, I get 1/10 of what she gets back. Not sure, but I think instead of paying taxes, she is actually getting my taxes forwarded to her.
@Saboth: Thats because she is not claiming enough on there taxes and using the government as a 0 interest savings account. She prob. doesnt relize it, but she is giving the government a free loan.
@Saboth:
This woman needs to file a new W-4 with her employer so they don't withold so much tax. Unless she likes getting a big tax refund while loaning money to the government interest-free.
@weakdome:
The last time they did this the checks just showed up at the address the IRS had on file.
@ad8bc:
How much
Right now, President Bush is said to want an income tax rebate that would be generated by eliminating the 10 percent tax bracket, which applies to roughly the first $8,000 of income for single filers and the first $16,000 of income for married couples filing jointly.
That would mean taxpayers could get rebates of up to $800 if single, or $1,600 if married.
But neither President Bush in his statement nor Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson in a briefing afterwards would confirm that amount. "I don't want to play bigger than a bread box," Paulson told reporters. "The president is focused on broad-baseed tax relief for those paying taxes."
Who would get it
Democrats could get on board with an income tax rebate if it's fully refundable, meaning that everyone with earned income would get the full rebate, even if they didn't make enough money to owe income tax, said Furman.
Otherwise, roughly 40 percent of tax filers (which is more than 50 million households) would get only a partial rebate or no rebate at all, according to the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.
A significant portion of that 40 percent would be families of four making between $25,000 and $40,000, the CBPP said.
There are a few ways that could be prevented, Furman said.
One way is to offer tax credits, a dollar-for-dollar reduction of your tax bill. If it's refundable, it means you get the credit even if your tax bill is $0 or something less than the full credit.
Another way is to have the rebate be a payroll tax rebate. The payroll tax - 6.2 percent of your wages - is what's taken out of everyone's paycheck to fund Social Security, no matter how low your annual income.
A payroll tax rebate would not affect your Social Security benefits or the long-term solvency of the entitlement program, Furman said, because it would really serve as a tax credit. In other words, money from your paycheck would still be taken out and put towards Social Security, but the federal government would send you a check that would serve as an advance on a refundable tax credit on your tax return.
@Shadowman615: Congrats on being the first one to comment on that unfortunate term. I'm glad I'm not the only one with a sufficiently filthy mind to see that :)
Step 1: Print more money
Step 2: Price of consumer goods rises through inflation
Step 3: After spending through their 'gift' people realize they are paying an extra $1 per gallon of milk from that point on, and an extra 50 cent per gallon of gas.
Step 4: Profit?
When will the government realize that they need to cut spending by the amount they cut taxes in order to have a desired effect?
(Ron Paul 2008)
@missjulied: That sucks. Not bragging mind you but I want some free cash just like the rest of you fuckers.
Still not following. Does this rebate apply to only those people who would end up having to OWE tax? I purposefully withold extra (yes, giving the gov't a loan, I don't care.) so that I get a big fat post-Xmas refund check. I'm assuming they aren't going to reward me with an extra $800 on top of that just for being super nice to them?
Let's see...
1. Bush wants to give us all a tax rebate, driving the country further into deficit.
2. Deficits are paid for by the government lending money, like the US T-Bonds sold to China.
3. Taxpayers take the money and spend it. Most likely on goods made in China.
So China is lending us the money to buy goods made in China. And they're getting interest on the bonds. Gee, isn't this how Avon works?






















$800 for individuals and $1600 for individuals