HD DVD Loyalists Start Petition To Save Their Format Of Choice

James, an HD DVD loyalist, calls to our attention a petition with 24,000-ish signatures asking Warner Bros. to continue to support HD DVD:

You had an article shortly after the WB exclusivity announcement on the 4th of this month, right? Well, I think this could make for a great follow-up that gives your readers the opportunity to voice their opinion, and hopefully sway the minds of the studio executives who’ve acted prematurely and stuffed words in the mouths of consumers everywhere.

You can find the petition here. Keep in mind it has risen from 6,000 signatures to a promising 24,000 in only four days!

Ugh, format wars. They’re so disgusting. We hate them.


Save HD-DVD! (Warner Brothers, The Consumer Has Not “Clearly” Chosen Blu-Ray)
[PetitionOnline]
(Photo:William Hook)

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  1. exkon says:

    Format wars are iffy.

    But as a electronics consumer, I know surprisingly very little about both formats other than the relative costs to manufacture and storage size of the discs.

    Someone care to explain the pros/cons of each format?

  2. smitty1123 says:

    An online petition? Yes! That’s sure to work. Now to go convert some lesbians to heterosexuality! Then I’m going to go and show some KKK members Crash to get them to change their ways. I’m also going to go out to bars and score with tons of chicks by bragging about my extensive comic book, anime and video game collection…

  3. remusrm says:

    I agree… i hate sony stuff… they only make it more standards is because of the anti piracy crap… i still like plain dvd…

  4. privatejoker75 says:

    There’s no crazy pro or con to either. The key thing is competitiveness. Once hd dvd goes away, so goes your 5 free blu ray movies

  5. rewinditback says:

    dude, if hd dvd loses – thats the price you pay for early adopting. Think about mini disc enthusiasts. my parents bought into beta. Just swallow it and go blu-ray. somebody will lose in a war – that person unfortunately is you in this case. sorry broseph!

  6. Jon Mason says:

    @exkon: Obviously both sides will claim theirs is superior, but the only real pros/cons I know of are: Blu-ray has more capacity, but can take a seriously long time to load a disc. HD-DVD is smaller, but faster to load. And in about 3 months the pros will be : Blu-ray has movies coming out, HD-DVD doesn’t.

  7. mrmysterious says:

    Stick a fork in HDDVD like I did….I returned my HDDVD player and got a PS3 instead.

  8. mantari says:

    Donald H. Rumsfeld has proclaimed these people to be “dead enders” who are grasping to a failed media regime. They should greet Blu-Ray as liberators from the oppression of multiple formats!

  9. ethanrik says:

    SCREW EM! HD-DVD owners were so smug after the release of the sub-$100 player that they were for sure going be the king! “I’d say, let ‘em crash!”

  10. The Great Aussie Evil says:

    It’s like Betamax users are petitioning the government to have that horrible horrible VHS system lifted…

  11. randombob says:

    Where’s the petition to petition HD-DVD petitioners to shut the hell up and go away with a shred of dignity left in their purses?

    Because I’d sign that one.

    The only real “Con” to BD is the region coding, something we basically already have with DVD anyway, so in essence we only stand to GAIN storage capacity in the move from DVD to BD, as BD has like 40% more capacity than their HD-DVD counterparts.

    They both have drawbacks, but as a storage format (which in their bare-bones is all they really are)? Capacity is king.

    HD-DVD is dead. Long live the king.

  12. headon says:

    I’m gonna put my HD player in the basement next to my casette deck, my reel to reel player, my 8-track, and my betamax. Deal with it suckers you made the wrong choice.

  13. kelptocratic says:

    No! As an HD-DVD owner (the 360 one, a gift no-less), I welcome the format crash, as it means wheelbarrows full of dirt cheap HD-DVDs.

    Sure, I’ll get Blu-ray at some point (most likely when theres more then a half-dozen PS3-exclusive games I’m interested in). Till then, bring on the 3.99 HD-DVDs please!

  14. mgyqmb says:

    @exkon: Without going into too much detail, as for as size capacity, HD-DVD standard discs hold 15GB, with the Dual Layers holding, of course, 30GB, and Blu-Ray has a capacity of 25GB and 50GB. Although I did hear some talk that Blu-Ray has a “theoretical” maximum of somewhere near 200GB – whatever that means.

  15. valthun says:

    ugh, online petitions, worth the paper they are printed on.

  16. Hodo says:

    @exkon:

    Ok, well since you asked . . . (I’m sure that BD and HD DVD loyalists alike will take exception to some of these)

    HD DVD Pros
    ->Complete spec/format since inception, resulting in a modestly more complete experience (PIP and Network connectivity are included in every player, unlike the BD Profile mess, of 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0)
    ->Interactivity via HDi (developed by Microsoft) is generally considered to be easier to implement than BD’s Java-based menu system (although Java is far more flexible)
    ->Low player prices (please lets not argue about subsidy)
    ->Manufacturability of discs (requires a very minimal capital outlay for disc replicators to go from DVD to HD DVD, which OUGHT to result in lower costs and hopefully prices)
    ->Flipper DVD / HD DVD discs (DVD on one side, HD DVD on the other)
    ->AACS DRM (known and understood, relatively unobtrusive)
    ->No Region coding (discs purchased in Japan will work in your US HD DVD player)
    HD DVD Cons
    ->lower 30GB capacity (versus BD’s 50GB) and bitrate maximum of 28 (versus BD’s 40, IIRC) — no matter what anyone says, the advantage here is far from absolute or empirical, the law of diminishing returns applies, although some movies (long, fast action) would benefit from both
    ->less studio support (formerly only slightly so, now dramatic with the BDA having paid Warner, and likely Fox, to go BD-only with their movies)
    ->Single OEM of players (Toshiba is virtually the only C/E OEM making HD DVD players — see “low price” above)

    BD Pros
    ->More storage space on disc and higher maximum bitrate
    ->More studio support (dramatically so, now — although as a consumer, I dislike the WAY they’ve managed to get more studio support . . . by paying off the studios, feels very anti-competitive to me; to be fair HD DVD paid for Paramount exclusivity as well)
    ->More C/E OEMs (first gen players were almost all Sony referece designs mfg’d by Panasonic if I’m not misaken, but since that point more C/E OEMs have started coming out with their own units)
    BD Cons
    ->A “rushed to market” approach has resulted in the current Profile mess (profile 1.0 players do not have PIP or network connectivity, profile 1.1 players have PIP but no networking, and profile 2.0 players have PIP and network) making some players less than fully functional from the day they’re sold — on top of this, the marketing around profile 1.0 and 1.1 players is a bit deceptive in that neither really highlight the fact that some disc features may not work with certain profiles
    ->High priced players, if we’re to compare functionally equivalent players (i.e., a full profile 2.0 BD player with a very good HD-A35 from Toshiba) BD player prices are roughly 2x HD DVD player prices
    ->High disc replication costs (too much detail to go into here, suffice to say that HD DVD, because it is more similar to DVD than BD is, is cheaper to produce)
    ->More DRM: BD players must be able to implement BD+ which is a player based DRM schema
    ->Region coding: BD allows for it (HD DVD does not)
    ->No “flipper disc” capability: if you’re going to “go” BD, you’ve got to go all the way, no half-a$$ing it
    ->Since the profile 2.0 (the one with network connectivity) is still in the process of coming to market, there are no real web-based interactive special features on BD discs (yet)

    I’m sure I left some information out. If so, wasn’t done intentionally.

    My personal take is that HD DVD is (was?) the Consumer’s choice (low cost, lots of day to day advantages such as flipper discs, and easy firmware updates via the web), but BD was the Audiophile/Videophile choice and the choice destined to extract the highest amount of money from consumers’ pockets.

  17. ? graffiksguru says:

    Ha ha, although I guess I’d be a little bitter too if I bought a hd-dvd player. Maybe I should start a petition to bring back the laser disc, mini-disc, or beta max, etc. go blu-ray!

  18. cronick says:

    Whiners whining because they chose badly!

    I didn’t really care who won the war. One or the other, Sony or Toshiba, will make the licensing bucks. But as long as the war continued, consumers lose.

    In case these bozos hadn’t noticed, WB was getting licensing fees for HD DVD: WB was one of the originators of DVD along with Toshiba and had a cut of the HD DVD licensing fees.

    The bottom line was that if the war continued, both formats would flounder and Microsoft’s online delivery system would usurp physical delivery of content. This would be very bad for consumers because you would eventually be paying to play every time you played a movie (let’s not argue about that).

    So, if consumers wanted to continue getting and studios wanted to continue delivering physical content, Blu-ray was the more viable choice. Here’s why:

    If WB continued to sit on the fence, both formats would flounder and Microsoft would win.

    If WB chose HD DVD, both formats would flounder and Microsoft would win.

    If WB chose Blu-ray, Blu-ray would win and consumers would continue to have the option to buy physical media, this in addition to online delivery.

    And, consumers agree:

    Blu-ray players grab 93 percent of market after Warner…

    So I and a lot of others waited until there was a clear winner. But these whiners made their beds and now want the world to stop spinning and suck up to them. We’re done with the war. Blu-ray won. Get over it. WB will never go back.

  19. evslin says:

    @tbartley: Laserdisc ruled!

  20. zibby says:

    Additional Blu-Ray pro: Way cooler name. I mean, I’m glad I’m not going to be stuck saying “HDDVD” for the next 5 or so years.

  21. ussra2 says:

    C’mon let it go, we need just one format and end this whole war. Blu-Ray is pulling ahead and let it be. I’m tired of seeing both formats and support Blu-Ray simply because I was smart and bought a PS3 which has the best support for Blu-Ray.

  22. LatherRinseRepeat says:

    HD-DVD isn’t going to disappear forever. I heard Toshiba and all related parties are going to re-market them somehow. You’re probably going to see HD-DVD PVR devices and most likely HD-DVD burners for the computer.

    And it’s really not accurate to compare Blu-ray with MiniDisc or Betamax. Those were Sony proprietary formats. Blu-ray is a collaboration from several hardware manufacturers and content providers. Sony is in the spotlight because they are both a hardware manufacturer and content provider.

    If you really want to blame someone for this format war, you can blame Toshiba. They were the ones that decided to go on their own, rather than join up with the Blu-ray group. And XBOX 360 owners can blame Bill Gates, since he has a personal bias against all things Java.

  23. sleze69 says:

    WAAAAAAaaaaaaa!!!

    Having waited on the sidelines until the war was over, I’ll be buying my BR 2.0 capable PS3 in the next month or so.

  24. hubris says:

    @ussra2: So long as smart applies only to the PS3′s Blu-Ray capabilities. :)

  25. AtOurGates says:

    I think we’re missing something here. The real problem isn’t that one format is superior to another, it’s that the movie studios are essentially accepting bribes at the expense of consumers.

    There’s no reason that every movie studio shouldn’t release titles in both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. Doing so certainly isn’t cost prohibitive. Then, let consumers decide.

    I hope that HD-DVD bounces back, not because I prefer one format, (I personally feel that Sony and Toshiba/Microsoft are equally evil), but because I want competition to organically force down prices.

  26. Szin says:

    I’m all for starting a petition to abandon both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray and stick to DVD’s! No wait…I don’t really care all that much.

  27. weave says:

    Must see youtube video on this topic. Hilarious!

  28. warf0x0r says:

    @smitty1123: That works?!? Why don’t I get this information?!? I’m on the mailing list!!!

  29. highpitch_83 says:

    {continues to sit and wait for decent 42″ LCD to cost less than $1000 and reap the benefits of $1.99-$9.99 brand new DVD’s}

    Still thankful that I’m not a complete techno-phile… (so is my wallet)

  30. bostonhockey says:

    I won’t be surprised if *both* HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are gone in the next 2-3 years. With the ability to download HD movies and watch them on you HD tv, why go through the trouble of buying an HD/Blu-Ray player and DVDs?

    Think about the music industry…CDs are going away, slowly but surely.

  31. LordSkippy says:

    I was rooting for HD-DVD and almost bought one of those $99 players before Christmas (but couldn’t find any in stock). However, with Warner going blue, it’s over. I bought into DVD with the second-gen players, and my early DVD library was almost all WB.

  32. quiksilver says:

    I’m sorry, but HD-DVD should just give up. I don’t want this lasting any longer than it has been… it was the same way with DVD-R or DVD+R, previous DVD formats, LaserDisc, Betamax, 8-Track, etc. You pay for it by adopting early to a format, not to include consumer confusion, etc… I know there are some benefits to HD-DVD, but Blu-Ray is the chosen one.

    Or just wait for downloadable movies to become more mainstream… give it about 5 years. ;-)

  33. dgcaste says:

    @Hodo: HD DVD fanboys should try to avoid pro/con posts.

  34. stinkingbob says:

    There really isn’t a difference between HD and Blue-ray except for the recording. you know, this harkens back to the days of VHS vs Beta.Beta had a better picture, but less recording time, so VHS won out. Now, it is stupid for companies to put out the same movie on both formats because they would lose money. It is better if those 2 knuckleheads sat down and came up with a soltion that would involve 1 (one) player coming out. Then we could finally move away from DVD….

  35. HeartBurnKid says:

    @dgcaste: Seemed like a balanced treatment to me. Can you rebut anything in his post, or are you satisfied to just play the ad hominem card?

  36. Phunk says:

    @exkon:

    At the end of the day, for you the consumer, this format war means mostly nothing. Both are pretty much disks that are meant to rapidly spin on a spindle and feed you data. I think Blu Ray has like a 10GB higher maximum storage limit (theoretically), but even that really won’t affect you unless you’re looking to archive gigantic amounts of data on them with a burner.

    What it means for the big picture is a bit different. This was basically a Proxy war from the HD-DVD side by Microsoft vs. Sony who wasn’t hiding behind anyone else. MS, being the MS that they’ve always been, wanted to make bigger inroads into the video game and ‘convergence’ market by way of the 360. By having the defacto disc standard on their side, it almost guaranteed a lock counterbalance to Sony putting Blu-Ray in the PS3. It would have allowed MS to clean up in every arena: On the PC (which they already have locked), on your gaming console (which they wish they had locked) and with your consumption of media.

    Add a little DRM to taste and they become the gatekeeper and judge as to how you consume media on your home electronics. They also become the people that almost all studios have to deal with to get their content out.

    I have a feeling the industry sensed this and the media heavies didn’t get behind it for just that reason.

  37. overbysara says:

    signed!

  38. Spinfusor says:

    @LatherRinseRepeat:

    “If you really want to blame someone for this format war, you can blame Toshiba. They were the ones that decided to go on their own”

    You’re wrong. It was Sony that broke away from the DVD forum (of which it was a founding member) to promote its format.

  39. frommoon says:

    Dear HD-DVD,
    Please throw in the towel so we can all move on.

    Sincerely,
    Everyone who doesn’t (and will never) own an HD-DVD player.

  40. BillyShears says:

    Dear HD-DVD owners,
    If given the choice between extending the format war by having Warner continue to back HD-DVD or help put it 6′ under by supporting Blu, I’ll pick the latter.

    Get over yourselves, these are the breaks of being early adopters.

  41. Javert says:

    We are supposed to feel bad for people who just had to own the latest player and chose to totally ignore the VHS v. Beta wars? There really is truth in learning from history and dooming to repeat yada yada yada.

    I was rooting for BluRay as it was a pretty good leap in storage capacity relative to the HD DVD. I look forward to buying movies again…someday.

  42. IrisMR says:

    What I loved the the VHS versus Betamax war was that there were no internet for retarded online petitions.

  43. dgcaste says:

    @HeartBurnKid: it is not an ad hominem attack: there is no argument to fight over. it is pretty clear that hd-dvd is going to die quickly. you might as well multiply all the pros and cons of said format by a weight of .01 except the one that talks about loss of studio support.

    all of his hddvd pros are that, pros. all of the cons come with a note that try to break them free of their con status, or make light of some kind of market unfairness. then come the blu-ray pros, which are all downplayed to some kind of ‘imaginary pro’ with the exception of bitrate and storage which cannot be poo-coated.

    also, it’s worth noting that I did not critique any of his points. but can anyone here say that it was an impartial and objective recount of the virtues and faults of both?

    fanboy or not issues aside. I try not to use that word, but seriously, they should let it go.

    so you asked me to rebut anything in his post. I won’t take to every single point in his discussion, but I will attempt several.

    - rushed to market approach: every product evolves. and if you have a PS3 this might not apply to you.
    - sentiment-based opinions, such as “I disagree with how they gained studio support” don’t belong in that sort of list.
    - the ‘law of diminishing returns’ in terms of bitrate. that might apply to quality of video playback, but not to amount of possible extra content or for the sake of data storage. 20 more gigs is 20 more gigs.

  44. TechnoDestructo says:

    If Microsoft had built HDDVD capability into the Xbox 360 instead of having an add-on (and decided to eat almost as big a loss per console as Sony did) things would have gone the other way.

  45. EvilSquirrel says:

    I am still waiting for a standardized format to record television shows that is portable. Sure there exist dvd players to do this but then you have to wonder whether the other person’s dvd player supports the same disc type, recording format, etc. At least with a VHS machine you can be sure that any tape you record will work in any other VHS player.

  46. yooper1019 says:

    I wonder how invested someone who is a “loyalist” is in HVDVD

  47. Sasquatch says:

    Enough! HD-DVD is not going to die. It will still have a strong
    market for international releases due to its lack of region coding. So,
    yes, Blu-Ray wins Hollywood, but HD-DVD (hopefully) will still have a
    strong niche market to call its own. There is room for both. The
    Blu-Ray camp didn’t need to resort to bribery to win this thing. They
    should have let the consumer decide.

  48. Hodo says:

    @dgcaste:

    Uh . . . OK . . . I guess? Trying to figure out why you would post that? I own neither format, and based on BD winning, I won’t own a BD player until a fully functional brand name BD Profile 2.0 player is available for under $200 . . . which I’m guessing will be somewhere around January of 2009-ish (give or take 4 months).

    Are my comments self-serving? Absolutely, in that I wanted to be able to buy into the format sooner rather than later. A BD victory means later (for me), that’s all. It’s not gonna’ kill me.

    As an aside, I do think HD DVD had the more well thought out and executed total package (and more consumer friendly) overall, but nothing talks like $$, and Sony put themselves in a position (with the PS3) that they HAD to ensure that BD won (a little Sun Tzu anyone?). As a result, they were more committed and won because they were willing to throw more money at the war. On the one hand I admire such committment and clarity of purpose, and on the other I bemaon it because they’re gonna’ want to recoupe that money from SOMEONE (gee, I wonder who?), which means, by extension that I’m going to have to wait longer than I wanted to in order to induldge in some HiDef goodness.

    That’s all there is to it, really, from my perspective. My sunk costs at this point = $0, how about you? ;)

  49. Hodo says:

    @dgcaste:

    What are you, twelve? This is format war here, not Sally (the hotest girl in the 8th grade) turning you down for a dance after the game . . . (I keed, I keed).

    Seriously though, if you took, I don’t know 20-25 seconds to go up and read the post I was responding to (here, I’ll cut and paste for you because I KNOW how much work it can be to move that mouse around on your desk, my wrist hurts just thinking about, does your wrist hurt too . . . for the same reason?):

    BY EXKON AT 12:25 PM Format wars are iffy.
    But as a electronics consumer, I know surprisingly very little about both formats other than the relative costs to manufacture and storage size of the discs.
    Someone care to explain the pros/cons of each format?

    So, my post was to “explain the pros/cons of each format” like EXKON asked. To YOU, the list of pros and cons might not matter at all (.01 to use your written word), but then again, I don’t believe I was responding to you, was I? I was attempting to answer EXKON. To take that a little further, you may suffer from Narcissistic personality disorder if you believe that in responding to EXKON I should have considered how YOU would have thought about my pros/cons list (in retrospect, what was I THINKING?).

    Also, I’m betting of the two of us, you are the one who has “invested” in one of these two formats (again, for the record, I have not purchased either player type), and as a result, have a less objective view.

    Lastly, since this site is “Consumerist” which is mostly concerned with Consumers’ rights, getting a good deal and the like, your support of a more expensive (and controlled) format is somewhat puzzling? Did you lose your way en route to Blu-ray.com?

  50. DjDynasty says:

    I’ll go with the format that porn is on!

  51. dgcaste says:

    @Hodo: I suppose I deserved the immature counterattack.

    My sunk costs are $0 as well. My 1080p TV doesn’t do 24hz, but I’m not that ridiculous. But that leaves you with a lost bet doesn’t it?

    My support for Blu-Ray is pragmatic at best. I was actually rooting for HDDVD up to the first week of January, but I obviously let it go.

  52. dgcaste says:

    @dgcaste: My wrists hurt because I have MS, by the way.

  53. Hodo says:

    @dgcaste:

    Ok, taking your response at face value and believing you for a moment, why do all of those things (that you mentioned in your posts) matter to you? Specifically, if we want to “talk specs” (or pros and cons) if you don’t own a BD player of any kind (including a PS3), why would you care if my pros/cons were slanted away from BD?

    I’ve already disclosed the reasons why BD winning is upsetting to me . . . how ’bout you share the reasons why a ‘slanted’ pros/cons list upset you? Hmmm?

  54. Hodo says:

    @dgcaste:

    And?????

  55. b-real says:

    @ereusch:

    The US was/is HD-DVD’s best chance of mass adoption. In Europe, BD outsells HDDVD 3:1 and in Japan, BD outsells HDDVD 14:1.

    [www.digitaltvnews.net]

    @randombob:

    Here is the petition to make HD-DVD go away:

    [www.petitiononline.com]

  56. dgcaste says:

    On to the matter at hand, I was appealing to the fairness of the ending war. Ordering ammo for a dying soldier in critical condition might lead the public to believe that he still has a chance to kill one more enemy.

    Also, I want the format to be adopted with its characteristics at face value. That will drop the price, and I can get one. It’s more important to me that a winner materializes and adoption spreads than a single format winning. If this somehow was about HDDVD being taken in by all the studios, and Blu-Ray eating dust, my arguments would have been the same. I’m tired of DirecTV’s HD-lite, of upconverting DVD players, and having to download content in 1080p, hook up my laptop to my TV with hacked timings and annoying overscan to be able to get some pure ~2 megapixels served to my neurons.

  57. Hodo says:

    @dgcaste:

    I THINK we’re in agreement then. HD DVD would have been preferred, because prices were (and still are) better, but keeping HD DVD on life-support as it were, will only induce market confusion, keep adoption rates low (and therefore volumes) resulting in (continued) high pricing for what pretty much everyone has to admit is going to be the winning format at this stage, BD.

    None of my above argument is in disagreement with the above or what your position is. It is more of a statemwent around what the current situation is, a bit about how things got there, and a little commentary of my own.

    Unfortunately, whether or not HD DVD dies will have little to do with BD’s success at this point, as we’re heading into a pretty deep trough of a recession, and people won’t be lining up to pay top dollar for over-priced BD players, which will kill adoption in the short run (12-18 months) at which point HDM (m is for media) of any kind will likely be a niche format akin to LaserDisc.

  58. dgcaste says:

    Don’t you feel good that you shut this troll up? :-D

    Interesting timing on Blu-Ray ‘making it’ with the global economy getting cold pants. But if it’s true that the PS3 will drop to $299 that’ll be a good incentive. I mean, people will not want to leave their house afraid to spend money on gas and things, but they have to do something at home besides burning old newspapers for heat.

  59. ninjatales says:

    Camon you HDDVD supporters. Just let it be. We can’t have HDDVD, BluRay DVD, DVD, EDDVD, etc etc all in the same market. Makes it hard on the consumers. Just get a $399 PS3 (w/ 40GB HDD) and you can play games and watch BluRay movies.

    If the reason behind your petition is valid, then you should’ve petitioned when Iomega Zip drives were going out the door.

  60. ironchef says:

    red state lost a long time ago.
    go blue!

    higher capacity and better growth prospects.

  61. vacax says:

    On a technical level, I think the only difference we’re seeing between the two formats is that Blu-ray more consistently utilizes lossless audio due to the larger capacity. While people keep saying HD-DVD is cheaper, in my experience HD-DVD movies themselves are more expensive because the good movies are always worthless combo discs. Any purported “cost advantage” in manufacturing discs is going straight into distributors’ pockets.

  62. dandd says:

    Like it or not digital distribution is the future, so neither of these formats is going to be DVDs replacement. Aren’t we all just fighting for the replacement to LaserDisc? Or even better CED?

  63. econobiker says:

    @dandd:

    Bring back 8 track tapes
    Bring back laser discs
    Bring back Beta tapes
    Bring back DAT

  64. Hawk07 says:

    Laserdisc FTW

  65. KarmaChameleon says:

    @bostonhockey: The current infrastructure simply can’t handle that kind of network traffic. There needs to be significant upgrades in broadband capacity before downloads of HD content become an everyday reality. I could see this happening in Japan, but not here for a number of years.

    I would not discount HD-DVD/BD methods of delivery just yet.

  66. dgcaste says:

    @KarmaChameleon: not to mention that current HD content streamed through cable or satellite sucks, bits are stripped and shaped.

  67. lordeirias says:

    I do not see how everyone says that digital distribution will be so quick in coming… Aren’t we having enough trouble getting ISPs to allow users to utilize the bandwidth they pay for? Yes there IS the concern of piracy but the ISPs are not really on the hook for that so it seems more like they do not want to mess up their business model of over selling.

    I see digital distribution as a viable future media but NOT for HD content in the next 3~5 years like some people seem to think. Yeah I will soon be able to download any movies I want for an SD TV for a price but three things will need to be set in place:
    1. Bandwidth bandwidth bandwidth…. and an ISP willing to let users use more than what little is needed for basic surfing and email.
    2. Massive storage, this in the form of more prevalent home storage devices. Everyone nowadays is buying laptops and some of the interest in solid state will keep these small for awhile. We need more storage solutions that consumers will just plug into their home network (I know they are there, just not in the hands of many average Joes).
    3. Lock down on the files. The DRM on the Blu-ray discs only look bad for those of us who want to backup/copy. To the studios its great. Until we can really lock down files tightly I do not think the studios will go for all digital. Unless they develop a business model of low quality (slightly better than cam-vids) videos with little to no DRM but HD videos with protection on it to prevent you from even sending the video output to a TV connected on your local network (no streaming to TV without a license for the TV).

  68. dgcaste says:

    @lordeirias: That’s one of the main ideas behind the DOCSIS 3.0 standard, not let people p2p more, but to be able to stream Batman Begins in about 4 minutes.

    And on DRM, we could talk about it all day, but studios are starting to realize that DRM does more harm than good.

  69. Gridneo says:

    Do the HD-DVD holdouts simply see it as the next generation of ‘DVD’ because of the name? I was never dumb enough to buy into it; why wouldn’t a consumer look into the specifications of the disk? 50gb sounds better than what HD-DVD offers… I don’t know.

    As far as DOCSIS 3.0 goes… I’ll never see that down here in the bible belt. I’ll take it either way. Or some FiOS.

  70. miburo says:

    Rofl do these people seriously think this is going to do anything at all?

    I mean I feel for them but thats the risk you take to be early adopters.

  71. Benstein says:

    Just buy a normal upscaling DVD player and avoid the $30 cost of new Blue Ray movies.

  72. Segars says:

    “50gb sounds better than what HD-DVD offers… I don’t know.”

    Every single one of you that believe HD DVD tops out at 30gb — and that Blu-ray is superior because of the added storage space — five seconds of your time is all it would take for you to find out that HD DVD has 51gb discs coming out very soon. Also, unlike Blu-ray which is an unfinished product, all existing HD DVD players will be compatible with these higher capacity discs.

    Enough said.

  73. dgcaste says:

    Shutup SEGARS, you’re screaming into the grand canyon.

  74. nox says:

    @LatherRinseRepeat:

    Toshiba didn’t go it alone the DVD group picked HD-DVD as the successor because Blu-ray was nowhere near finished, Sony were the ones who took it on themselves to go it alone to fight the DVD group and start the War. Sony had no choice but to pay off these studios to get Blu-ray to win otherwise the PS3 would have had no games and no movies.

  75. RvLeshrac says:

    By the time the Blu-ray proponents realise that they’ve paved the way for “You are legally allowed to play this disc on a single playback device and a single display. You are required to purchase additional licenses for playback on additional players and displays,” they’ll be begging for HD-DVD.

    Of course, the BD adopters are also likely to be the ones just *HAPPY* to need to pay $30 for the disc, $10 for the content license needed to display the video on their television set, $10 for the content license to stream audio to their external audio receiver ($20 if they’d like the 7.1 track), another $10 to play it on the TV in the bedroom, another $10 to play it on the laptop, another $10 to play it on the portable BD player, and on and on and on.

  76. RvLeshrac says:

    @RvLeshrac: Those $10s at the end should be $20s. (Gotta pay for the player and the display, natch!)

  77. axiomatic says:

    As an owner of both formats. HD-DVD is better because the “spec” is solid. Blu-Ray is a fractured profile, and is in the process of screwing over it’s early blu-ray adopters.

    In other words…. Sony is still being Sony.