Leaks: How Geek Squad Investigated Its Own Porn Thieves
Best Buy launched a nation-wide internal investigation after we published a video sting op capturing one of their techs stealing porn from our computer. A fired Geek Squad supervisor tells how it all went down...Innocents fired... Liars kept jobs... Store hard drives seized... Pants shat...
The start of the internal Geek Squad investigation began this summer as all of the locations throughout the country were entered through remote connection and scanned for violations. The Geek Squad "precincts" that had bench machines containing serious violations had their hard drives removed and shipped to the corporate office. All of this was done rapidly and under the watchful eye of salary managers who had their jobs threatened if this was not executed properly. My store was lucky enough to have scored well enough on the remote scans to keep our hard drives. I knew at this point that there was serious cause for concern if Best Buy was willing to spend the kind of cash necessary to execute remote scans throughout ALL of its stores in one day.
A couple weeks later, the general manager of Best Buy informed me that the remote scans were phase one of the investigation. Phase two was a physical check of policies and procedures done by corporate geniuses. Phase three was called an "interview" and I will come back to that term in a moment. My general manager volunteered our store to go as soon as possible in the "interview" phase because we had nothing to hide, which we didn't. For those who are not aware, Geek Squad has received negative media attention for the way they handle customer data, and these events are what I believed triggered this internal investigation.(Photo: Victor Chiu)The "interview" phase was not an interview. The correct word starts with the same letter; it was an interrogation and nothing short of it. There are a couple different corporate interrogators going to stores through the nation. Stores who received bad scores on the remote scans were flagged to be interrogated; the last number I heard was over 300 stores would be interrogated. Many of these interrogations have not yet occurred to date. My interrogator was named Wayne. I was pulled into the Lost Prevention office, which is a small closet sized room normally used for security and interrogating thieves. I immediately voiced my concern for the way my employees had been interrogated before me, and that I did not believe this was ethical practice for our business. Wayne assured me that this event was necessary to repair and clean up the image of Geek Squad. He stated that this "interview" was not to get everyone fired but to gather information critical to correct procedures on the way we handle customer data (entrapment). As Wayne and I talked he informed me he had been interrogating people for years and he would know if I was lying. He stated, "If you begin to lie to me, the mood in this room is going to change very fast". Wayne made a few other subtle threats throughout our chat. He stated that our store was red flagged before my arrival as supervisor, and this interrogation was going to take place regardless of the results of our remote scans. Wayne called me a liar in our interview and tried to trip me up on my own words. After Wayne left the room, the witness informed me that he also does these interrogations and that his are nothing more than a casual conversation. I had one employee out of town during the interrogations, so when they came back for him, his interrogation was a little different. It was different because I called HR and voiced my serious concern. His interrogation was an interview, it was done in a large meeting room, and where mine lasted almost two hours his lasted thirty minutes. Oh by the way, he kept his job, I didn't. He admitted to me later that he kept his job because he lied and that he felt bad.
There were three Geek Squad members fired from my store including myself. The first two were fired for burning a non-copyrighted CD for another employee on a non company issued blank CD-R. I admitted in my interrogation that I was aware of this, and that I stopped these events after that occurrence. I was fired for being aware of this non copyrighted CD being copied. To quote, I did not provide the proper example of leadership. Keep in my mind I removed over 100 illegal tools and pirated discs upon my arrival as supervisor, as well as some remnants of an internal porn scandal. I had one Geek Squad employee that had a copy of customer related financial material on his flash drive that was confiscated during the investigation, by the way he kept his job. To back track this investigation was intended to address the way we handle customer data, and the one major infraction went unpunished. Supposedly, these results from the interrogation are plotted on a matrix by the corporate office and assigned the appropriate punishment. If I was fired for knowing about a non-copyright CD being burned, then remaining employees should start looking for a new job. The punishments are just beginning to be handed out throughout the country. One neighboring store lost nine Geek squad employees and two salary managers. To top all of this off, other Best Buy employees knew about my termination before I did. Apparently, my General Manager is not intelligent enough to know how to fire three people with the entire store finding out first.
The three Geek Squad employees were by the book ethical employees. The employees remaining employed remained because they lied. Best Buy believes that by launching this investigation they will repair their image. They have betrayed theirs customers for years, and now they are starting to betray their employees. They are terminating young men because they (Best Buy) lacked the ability to clearly define and structure policies in the beginning.
Regards,
The Betrayed
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Oh yeah, exactly WTF is a "non-copyrighted" CD? If I have a CD full of other peoples homade, non-published porn, is that also a "non-copyrighted" CD? What were you doing? Buring Linux ISOs? Trading your own music that you made?
God, I'm starting to sound like the rest of the "Blame the Victim" fools on this blog, but after dealing with the morons at my local Best Buy.......
so in other words, you broke geek squad rules (even though you cleaned up some of the violations) and got fired for it? are we supposed to feel sorry for you? Bull.
My store got interviewed too (we got red flagged for improper labeling). Ours wasn't an interrogation at all, and it wasn't after you called HR either....our store was one of the first stores that the interviewer came to. Yes it was in the LP office which was a little weird, but the 30 minute interview was just a check to make sure we were following protocol.
Maybe it felt like a interrogation because you were doing something wrong...
for the record my store had no one fired, and the only thing we didn't pass on was the data retention labeling (as we didn't have any outdated (more then 90 days) data, we just didn't have it labeled as per geek squad standards)
Your no victim my friend, you were the problem.
oh btw, why from a business stand point would best buy fired everyone, when they can fire you (the leader who wasn't following rules) and hire a new one that will whip the rest into shape...makes more sense to me then having to re-hire an entire team.
@jaysyn: well damn straight it's sour. if you told the truth as was expected then got fired when you knew of assholes who lied just to keep their jobs, wouldn't that piss you off too? and yeah they prob did the kid a favor by letting him go. fuck this company. the only time I set foot in there is to stink up the shitter when I can't find a gas station nearby.
As an ex-Geek Squad employee, who left well before any of this "culture crackdown" began or took place, I have to say I am not the least bit surprised, really. An organization I once deemed reasonably true to their employees has finally gone 100% black and blue(read: Best Buy Corporate Control). The big problem right now with the Geek Squad, and subsequently what was and still IS the problem with Best Buy, is that the best employees who are loyal and true to the company are the ones who take the falls when BBY/GS needs a scapegoat -- as was mentioned earlier.
Trust me when I say that from the insiders perspective, we are told that it's necessary abandonement of ethics and principles in exchange for "righting the ship".
I once thought about the legality of corporations internally spying on their employees. Well, I believe we will now see JUST how legal all of this may end up being. Especially since I am aware of a few GS practices and principles that are entirely ILLEGAL that happen in over 90% of stores that corporate probably has no clue about -- and even if they did, they won't stop it as it is POLICY to continue doing it.
If you think the outcry from ex-employees was bad before, just wait. GS and BBY are sticking their hand on a stove that's been on for years and about to feel the backlash for it. I used to say GS was the place to work -- and did so for a couple of years...now? Stay the heck away or consider it career suicide, because crap like this DOES go on your resume.
I always wonder how "loss prevention" experts know if someone is lying. Have they done controlled experiments or read of ones published? Is their confidence based upon anecdotal, personal experience? Do the results of these experiments indicate a 100% of say people who fidget lie? Or would the results be more like 76%? I'm not even sure how one would go about designing a study to determine if a certain tone of voice or certain body movements indicate that the subject is lying, nervous, angry, or a combination of the above. Even then, I doubt there is anything that would let someone know with absolute certainty that someone is lying. Perhaps the standard is "more probable than not," but then where is the confidence coming from? What other factors, such as culture, might influence these "signs"?
Without additional evidence that indicates otherwise, I do have a hard time accepting one individual's judgement that another one is lying.
I'm not surprised by any of this. Best Buy is a very crooked company. I worked there while in college working on a degree in Computer Science. When i was approched and told to "incourage (lie)" to people to get them to buy more service plans or accessories i was done. They made sure to have a manager or supervisor stop by every hour to tell you how many service plans, and the percentage of accessories to total sales you had. It was ridiculous. But that is there buisness model.
Funny, I refused to hand over my dead laptop with all my information on it because I didn't belive they wouldn't steal my bank info etc from my hard drive. Now I'm really glad I listened to my gut and bought a usb hookup to wipe my hard drive first. Way to go BB! Now I REALLY won't ever be shopping with you again!
@Jaysyn:
While it is difficult to sympathize with a Best Buy employee, as the lot of them I have dealt with have been rude (as with Gamestop, too), I can't say I agree with the way this 'Wayne' guy threatened him. I may dislike Best Buy employees, but I hate bullies.
Unfortunately, it sounds like "The Betrayed" was fired not because of how he did his job, but because of how he acted during his interrogation. Going into the interrogation and immediately "voicing [his] concern for the way [his] employees were interrogated before [him]" meant, to the interrogator, that he was a "rebel." People in the interrogator's profession feel like they have the supreme power; they get off on being superior to others, and putting them in their place. By questioning the interrogator, "The Betrayed", in the interrogator's mind, seemed like he had something to hide. He sealed his fate then and there; it probably wouldn't have mattered what he said in the interview (if he said he did everything by the book, the interrogator would think "this guy's lying to me," and if he admitted to breaking the rules, the interrogator would think "I knew it!"). As much as you don't want to do it, you have to play the game that power-hungry people play, and stay humble. Only *after* the interrogations are done, and the interrogator leaves, can you voice your concern to management (but even then, you have to do so carefully).
You got fired because you were one of the few people who told the truth and accepted responsiblity. In your letter you never mentioned your interrogator telling you that you would be fired for lying to him. You're confusing your own morality with the coporate reality of needing scapegoats. It's a lot easier to single out somoene who willingly admits to charges than to try and disprove someone's lie.
@quiksilver180: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out if Rupert Murdoch owns part of Best Buy or something. Maybe it's GE with an interest? All I can think of is the Robert Smigel cartoon about monopolies that's done in School House Rock fashion. Classic example.
@DrWebster: I suspect that, as well as the subsequent conversation with corporate HR over the interrogation tactics both ended up doing our OP in. Both show signs of a person in management level who is not willing to play the company's game, and so will be excised. The tale may be a bit sour grapes, but I don't think it's entirely unentitled.
If it makes you feel any better, IMHO there is no way Best Buy is going to survive the in the long run.
-They hire employees who know less about the products they sell then I. I don't know a lot but I've been amazed on how wrong and scriped some BB employeers are, the few times I've been there.
-They obviously don't appreciate there employees. A good buisness is a three way street. Customers, associates and management all have to be satisfied. By letting go of good employees BB is just setting themselves up to hire worse employees who will then give worse customer experiences and that effects the management bonus...loose..loose...loose..
-I can't walk down an isle in BB with out 15 stupid kids jumping out and asking if they can help me. I've heard they don't make commision, so WTF? What is with the guy at the door greeting me? Is this wal-mart? Greeters are the stupidest idea ever...if they were important people like ceo's, or even store managers then maybe I'd feel a little special...but no the greeters are always retarded or disabled people. No offence to retarded or disabled people, but come on.
If the circumstances are the way you describe them, you may have a very good case for a wrongful termination suit. Unless you personally violated company policy or the law, they should not be able to summarily dismiss you without any sort of disciplinary measures. And by disciplinary measures, I do not mean termination.
I would not be surprised if a lot of wrongfully terminated Geek Squad employees emerge after this particular purging. I would also not be surprised if Best Buy and Geek Squad get hit with a bevy of wrongful termination suits.
Wnat some really good advice? As long as you've done nothing illegal or against company policy - Read up on your local labor laws and take them to small claims court and represent yourself.
It's really the easiest way to "stick it to the man" plus get your job back (but I'd recommend quitting afterwards anyways, BB is a crap company), lost wages, and maybe even a little punitive damage if you can justify them.
Public companies can't fire you unless you've done something illegal, or seriously violated funamental corporate policy. In the case of the latter, usually you still get away with it since progressive disapline is part of BB's operating procecures. Labor wise, big Public companies have it tougher than they want to let you know.
in an investigation of this nature, those doing the investigating MUST produce results and fire enough people to be percieved as cleaning up the business. I gaurantee that out of those 300 stores, at least one person was fired from each. If Wayne reported he found no problems, then he would have been percieved as not doing his job. Thats the problem with these kinds of things. A consultant is only as good as the problems they supposedly discover and "fix".
Of course, from my understnading the problem with the Geek Squad stems from corporate management treating it as an extended sales force rather then tool to keep costumers computers running. But since corporate managers can do no wrong, under the philosphy that "@$#@" rolls downhill....well there you go.
Long story short, the advice remains the same for any and all consumers. Do NOT do business with geek squad and its clones unless you like getting ripped off.
@Makito:
LOL, you have no idea what you're talking about.
In a right to work state a company can fire you for any reason that isn't race, creed, color or handicapped status related. Period.
@DrWebster: No, you don't have to play the game. You have to be aware of the risks of not playing the game. It will never change if everyone just plays along. The game is F'd up.
@crazyflanger: They keep asking you if you need help to deter shoplifting. If you always have someone checking on you, then you don't feel as anonymous or unseen in a store. This is commonly taught at many stores, it is just that Best Buy hires enough people to pull it off.
I work for a mom-and-pop company which competes with Geek Squad. Four feet away from where I'm typing this are CDRs full of "illegal" software tools I use daily. four feet in the other direction is my "Customer Porn Wall Of Shame" featuring prints of some of the more disturbing p0rn images I've found on customer's computers (with bananas and muffins photoshopped over assorted body parts). I do not work in fear of "interrogation" because my company is owned by a man with a sense of humor and an understanding the business that has not been obliterated by a corporate culture of middle-management types who have no clue what is involved in doing the job in the real world.
Too many people are missing the point by saying he's probably better off not working there anyways. Tell that to his landlord when rent's due. People take shitty jobs because they have to in order to pay the bills. I've had plenty of lousy jobs just to make ends meet. If I lost my job right now without having another one lined up, life would suck for a while. We aren't all so lucky to live comfortably.
@Jaysyn: Oh well I was hoping for his sake that the US has some kind of wrongful dismissal laws, like those of Canada where they REALLY can't do that. A certain now ex-regional manager here has fired a person 3 times already and 3 times he's gotten his job back with apology letters and the works. With iteration, the punitive rewards increasing substantially.
Wrongful dismissal, and due notice are all very important factors here - least in Canada. Shame really...
@Makito: He most likely doesn't have any kind of case. Aside from few exceptions, most employees are hired "At Will". That gives the company the right to terminate you without notice and without much reason, with the obvious exceptions (injury, illness). It also gives you the right to quit without notice or consequence as well.
I know this well, as I was fired for "endangering the safety of customers and associates". Oh, might I mention that this was because I was tossing a half ounce foam stress ball in my hand. I went to a lawyer and despite the obvious bullshit reason for termination, they were within their rights. The district manager and I didn't really get along very well.
@Makito:
Employment is a two-way street in *most* US states. I can leave for any reason & they can fire me for any reason other than the ones I listed above.
Two hours really isn't that bad (C: , especially if you have any history of ever having done anything wrong and are trying to get a security clearance with the government. I had to take a polygraph three times, we are talking 4 hours of being grilled each time. I felt like I went through confession and didn't even get absolution. I was completely honest about everything, and I mean completely nothing held back, but due to my past "misdeeds" I had some spikes on the polygraph related to how I felt about my past. I didn't like getting raked over the coals, but I know that if I hadn't passed and gotten my clearance that it would be the government's loss. Needless to say I did finally pass and have my clearance, but I can relate and feel sorry for you being held up as a scapegoat while those who lied get to keep their jobs. As they often say "No good deed goes unpunished." If you are a good person (and in some cases not so good) and well trained there are a million places to get another/better paying job than the geek squad.
@Makito:
dude am I glad I don't live and work as a manager in Canada. It's hard enough to fire a douchebag employee in the USA without any nonesense wrongful dismissal laws to contend. Here we have to make a friggin paper trail months long so we're not sapped with unemployment payments to some asshole who doesn't want to work for a living.
To the rest of the bandwagon-ers: the dude who wrote the article lost his job in some bullshit, that sucks. But he's a mgr, is this his first job or somthing. How could you not know that you'd get leaned on harder and held more responsible for the f-ups of your subordinates. That's what being a mgr is about dude, welcome to corporate land. This article is informative and certainly changes how I view the Geeks. But the 'please feel sorry for me' spin is pretty tacky. Either get a lawer, or get a new job.
I interviewed at a Kansas store in April of this year, and turned down the job partially because I'd be working with a bunch of techie-forum-trained teens, and partially because they just wanted to pay me $11.50 per hour. Even before the stolen customer porn expose' landed, I thanked God i dodged that bullet.
@DannyG: You're a tool of Best Buy and you deserve to be screwed by them if you haven't used the Yellow Pages to find locally owned stores. The locally owned stores were there before BB and will be there long after BB.
@adamondi:
Sorry, but a company has the authority to fire you for any reason or even n o reason at all. The can say they dont like the color of your shoes. As long as it isnt one of the things in the Equal Opportunity document
1.) In America, you are punished for disloyalty to the company. An executive does not want to worry about you blowing the whistle (i.e. going to the press or calling HR). Towing the company line is the key.
2.) You are rewarded when you increase revenue. Telling the truth and increasing revenue are usually at odds with each other, just look at marketing.
This isn't pessimism. It is reality if you want to succeed in corp. america.















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