Task Force Assembled To Hold Secret Meetings About NYC Airport Gridlock

A so-called “federal task force” comprised of airline executives, government officials and aviation industry groups has been assembled.

The mission?

To fix NYC’s airport gridlock. In order to succeed, the NYC airport task force must hold secret, confidential meetings in which they will discuss the mystery of NYC’s traffic nightmare.

Will they find a cure in time?

From Newsday:

U.S. Transportation Secretary Mary Peters convened the group in late September, and gave it a warning: Find a fix for chronic delays at New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport and its sister airports, LaGuardia and Newark Liberty, or be prepared to face a federal order reducing the number of allowed flights.

The talks, led by the Federal Aviation Administration, have been closed to the public, but participants report that one of the primary topics will be “congestion pricing,” a scheme to reduce delays by making airlines think twice about scheduling flights during the busiest times of the day.

Generally, the plan would implement higher fees for planes operating at the airports during the aviation rush hours, which, in New York, coincide roughly with morning and evening commutes.

What? You mean, it’s not practical to schedule every flight in the airport to leave at 9:00 AM?

FAA, airlines brainstorm on NYC airport gridlock[Newsday]
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  1. medief says:

    I might be just a simpleton, but can’t the FAA just cap the number of flights, and let the airport work out some way to allocate the slots? Why go through all the rigamarole of these meetings?

  2. bnet41 says:

    My idea is this. Face the fact that JFK and LGA are at capacity. Use that Long Island airport more, and expand it. Then build a bullet train out to that airport. As the only way people are really going to use it is if they can get out there that fast. JFK seems backed up no matter what time you fly. My very early morning flights have been delays and so have my later evening flights. Basically anytime I fly there I know it’s going to be delayed.

  3. bradanomics says:

    I don’t see what the point is for leveraging fines, that money will just get passed onto the ticket purchaser anyway

  4. IRSistherootofallevil says:

    I’m pretty sure Islip can’t land a 767. So then you have the same problem over again. I guess Islip can handle like the minutely NYC-Boston or NYC-DC flights…

  5. bnet41 says:

    @IRSistherootofallevil:
    Well yea, I realize that. Hence why I said it needed to be expanded first. Otherwise what else are they going to do? The demand is just so high. You can start capping the number of flights, but then the prices to fly in and out of NYC are going to shoot through the roof.

  6. huadpe says:

    @bnet41: The Long Island Airport is Islip MacArthur, and it’s about 60 miles from Manhattan. Islip isn’t at capacity, but it also can’t support those big jetliners, and it doesn’t have any customs, so international flights are a no-go. As far as a bullet train to ISP, no. Those things are loud, and Long Island is very full, nowhere to put the thing without knocking down about 3000 peoples’ houses.

  7. Galls says:

    In an ideal Metropolitan airspace, Newark would not exist. That causes the principle and continual traffic between Philadelphia and NY.

    Three airports, Islip, JFK, and LGA would be treated as one single airport with a high speed link (post security check point) in between all three. Meaning all flights from a geographical area (ie Europe) would go to Islip. Get your luggage, hop on the train and take your next flight from JFK to FL.

  8. Galls says:

    P.S.

    We need to give more money to Amtrak for high speed rail links.

    If you get a high speed rail link from NY to Chicago or NY to Orlando half of the flights out of NY would not be in demand.

  9. JKinNYC says:

    They are expanding up North with some Air Force Base that the agency purchased recently. Islip is just way too far, and travel out LI is awful. There’s no way they can lay new track out to there.

  10. JKinNYC says:

    @Galls: Bingo.

  11. JKinNYC says:

    @JKinNYC: That was for the high speed rail bit

  12. Slothrob says:

    I’ve got my fingers crossed for a bullet train to Islip!!!

  13. Slothrob says:

    What about Stewart? It’s already got customs, and though it’s farther away, a highspeed train would probably be more viable… but it’s just so much easier to raise prices.

  14. JKinNYC says:

    @Slothrob: Stewart was the AFB I was talking about. That’s going to be the 4th regional airport. There is no way there will ever be a bullet train to Islip.

  15. Galls says:

    @JKinNYC:

    And there is no way there would ever be a monorail from JFK to Jamaica.

    We cannot expand the highways anymore, they are as large as they can get. And the congestion is still there.

    The monorail from Jamaica to JFK was just a proof of concept. They will build more above the highways just as they did on the van wyck.

    They do not have any other choice.

  16. JKinNYC says:

    @Galls: You are talking a few Miles vs. 60. Stewart makes more sense, they already own it, it’s closer, and easier to lay tracks to.

  17. Galls says:

    @JKinNYC:

    Oh I know that, remember I was very much stipulating in an ideal world.

    But I do expect for an expansion of the monorail system to happen along the cities highways, but that is for another discussion.

  18. JKinNYC says:

    Monorail?

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  19. IRSistherootofallevil says:

    Maybe they could route Boston/NYC and DC/NYC and Montreal/NYC and short hops like that to Westchester. I heard that it’s not all that congested.

  20. kc2idf says:

    I have a possible solution in three parts:

    1. Run the trains directly to the airports in surrounding areas (newburgh, for example) as well as directly to the NYC and Newark airports. Use good trains, along the lines of the Acelas.

    2. Schedule trips by train as part of the itinerary for trips into and out of NYC.

    3. Charge a premium for people who still want direct flights.

  21. Trai_Dep says:

    Instead of JET congestion pricing, only allow short people to fly in the morning?!

  22. Galls says:

    @JKinNYC:

    AirTrain

  23. jamar0303 says:

    How about moving some flights with domestic transfers out to other airports that are being underused…say, those in the Midwest/South? Also, remove some congestion by encouraging train travel between NYC/Boston and NYC/DC instead of jet travel.

  24. doctor_cos wants you to remain calm says:

    Unless this inconveniences someone pretty high up in power or the Bushies figure out how to make billions off of it (like Iraq) it’s NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
    Consumers and the working class being ‘inconvenienced’ by having to spend 6-8 hours stuck on the ground in a metal tube is not high up on their list.