Comcast Installs Cable With Extreme Incompetence
This above pictured pile of cables is but the beginning of Glen's magical mystery tour into the wonder of having a Comcast contractor install cable...
"They took apart one of our phone jacks in our office room for some reason and left it hanging."
Our story begins with the sales call. It was a door-to-door salesman, and after going through everything I was satisfied with what was being offered. I made sure that everything (except one thing, and that would come back to haunt me) was written down. All the fees being waived? In writing, each listed separately. Cost? In writing. I filed away the paperwork and waited for the installation. Having read about installation horror stories (on the Consumerist), I decided to stay home and supervise the installation that Comcast was going to be doing. It's a good thing I did.
The rest of the wall jack was left on the desk.8/7/2007 - Installer shows up. He is a Comcast contractor with the company J&L Cable. As I start to talk to him about things, he interrupts me and asks to see where all the cable jacks are. I take him around, showing him where they are all, and then taking him to the office room, where a jack needs to be installed. Remember that one thing I didn't have written down? Yeah, that's it. He says almost nothing until the tour is over. Then he tells me that he couldn't put the jack into the office room, because he was not allowed to. I ask why, since the salesperson specifically told us it would be no problem. He tells me that it would require him to drill through walls or floors/ceilings or he's have to wall-fish, and "We don't do that". We argued back and forth, and he told us that the Comcast salespeople were dishonest, and that they'd tell us anything they needed to in order to get us to sign. There was nothing he could do. I told him that I wanted him to write that down on his installation form. He looked alarmed for a moment, then started over, this time adding an example. "See, if we do that we could end up in the same situation we ended up in last week at another unit here - when I drilled through the floor it ruined the carpet." I told him that if he did the installation there then he must be allowed to do it, but he said no, he wasn't allowed to. I asked him "what about last week?", and he said they never do it.
For some reason they took our long cable and replaced it with one that barely reaches the television. I have to replace it now.Then he changed tactics on me. Don't underestimate the slyness of the Comcast Installation Tech. He tells me that he couldn't put the cable modem into that room anyway. Why? Well, he described "it's called VOICE OVER IP, and the cable modem has to be close to a phone jack so that we can pipe the phone back into the system..."I interrupted him at that point and told him I knew exactly what it was and how it worked. Then I told him that there was a phone jack in the room. He then said the whopper: "Yes, but a cable modem is very sensitive to where it is physically in the house, and you'd end up losing too much signal there and lose your phone." This will become funnier later.
They clearly spared no expense here.He then says something that makes my fiancé almost blow up. He says he doesn't think we're keeping our current phone number. What? Then why did we sign this form authorizing it to be ported? When I asked to see his paperwork so I could find a phone number to call that he was in over his head. He called a "supervisor" and asked him to come by to explain it to us.When the supervisor arrived it quickly became apparent that they could do a jack installation, they just didn't want to.
When a gigantic cable box was brought in we told him that we were supposed to get one of the small ones. He replied that the FCC banned them and that there was no way to get one. It was FEDERAL LAW. Later in the installation I called Comcast directly and arranged to trade the big one in, the look on the supervisor's face when the Comcast CSR asked to talk to them was pretty good.
When I made them check the signal strength of the line at all the jacks it turned out that we had more than adequate signal in all of them. He was surprised at how strong it was. As they were never going to agree to install the jack as promised, I decided to have them install the modem in the loft. The loft is physically the furthest point from where the cable enters the condo, and the line is split a couple of times before then. But cable modems like lofts (they just don't like offices), so I guess we're good.
I constantly walked back and forth between the two techs, watching what they were doing. I saved many of our more breakable items, as did my fiancé. The younger (first) tech seemed to have no idea that he was trampling things and knocking things over. Despite our best efforts, the techs did some damage. There is now a gouge out of the front of our TV screen, and grease and dirt all over one of our walls.
This is after a first washing.When the techs left it was up to me to run some Ethernet cable down to the office. I put my PC on the modem, and found that it didn't work. A call to Comcast technical support led to a number of hilarious "answers". "We don't support home routers" (I wasn't using one yet). Sir, you need to shut down your PC, unplug it from the wall, and then turn off the modem. Won't I lose my call to you if I unplug the modem? Yes. The next tech I talked to told me that all I really needed to do was hit the reset button. It worked.After finding the internet not working, I decided to test everything else. I already knew the phone worked, so the only thing left was the cable. Everything was fine until I tried to use the On Demand. An error message came up that said there was a communications problem and to call the cable operator if it continues. I tried a couple more times, then called. They told me they would have the same technicians sent back since the installation wasn't complete. A while later the younger tech showed up in a huff. He was not happy to be back at all. He checked a few things, then pronounced that it must be "low frequency". I asked him if he meant low frequency interference. He explained to me, in his best Tech Talk, that as a signal passes down a coaxial cable that the frequency decreases, and this must be the problem. This is nonsense, but I was not going to argue the point with him. He said he would have to try it elsewhere in the house. Fine, but we wanted it in our living room. He said we might have to live without it if we wanted the box in the living room. I made it clear that it would be in the living room, but that we could test the other rooms as a troubleshooting step.
The On Demand did not work in the bedroom, but did work in the loft, but only after he changed a loop cable on the back of the box. Now that we'd found the problem, we went back to the living room, where we found the problem persisted.
He stated that we'd just have to have the box there. I told him no way. He then went on to explain that when they wired the house they must have brought the wire in to the garage, then run it straight up to the loft (bypassing the living room floor and the floor the bedroom is on), then split it and run it down to the bedroom, then split it again and run it down to the living room. That's why the frequency was higher in the loft.
After some more discussion he gave up and told me that he'd have to have a supervisor figure it out, and that they'd stop by tomorrow.
The next day my fiancé looked over the damage and decided that she didn't want them back in the house. She called Comcast (in tears) to complain about the whole process and to address the television damage in particular (the Tech had hit the front of the television with the cable box, gouging it - thankfully it wasn't the screen). Comcast now claims that they are sending a "real" technician out.
Now we come to billing. The Techs left a sheet that told us our next payment would be $242. How could that be, if all the fees were waived? When we asked Nancy (a CSR), she claimed that we were being billed for this period (it's August 8), next period, and the period after that. Also, the fees that were waived - well, Nancy explained that they can't be waived. The FCC "requires" them to charge us a $29.95 phone activation fee - it's another of those pesky Federal Laws. Another CSR (Helen) first told me that the fee would be waived if I had paperwork that said it was waived, then, strangely, refused to comment on the bill after that, and would not stop talking no matter what I said.
So what have I got right now for signing up with Comcast? I've got working internet (and it works very well), a working phone, partially working cable, a gouged television, a wall that will likely require painting (at least we could clean the grease and dirt out of the carpet), and billing disputes looming on the horizon.
We specifically told him we didn't want the box on top of the television. If we leave it here it will slide down the back and into the wall.I can say that my experience seems to be better than some of the one's on your site - at least the Installation tech didn't try to murder me...August 9th: Remember how they promised to send a Supervisor out to figure out why the cable didn't work? Well, he never showed up. Good thing we went ahead and made the appointment for the Comcast repairperson to come out.
August 10th:
As I said before, the J&L contractors never showed back up as promised. We had made a repair appointment anyway, and he showed up today. This experience was far different. First, he showed up on-time. We talked a little bit, and I explained what had happened, and he asked me if it was J&L. I was surprised and asked him how he knew, and he said, "Well, there's really only two companies, and..." He clearly didn't want to badmouth anybody - which I can understand and respect. He was surprised at the damage they did - when he saw the gouge in the television all he said was "Oh, nice."
This is the gouge that was made in the front of the television.I was pretty happy with him, he knew what he was doing, and didn't try to make up anything. And there was to be no compromises. "I'll get it working - there's only so many things that can be wrong." It took him an hour, but he found it and fixed it. Years ago, somebody had worked on the cable wiring and put a couple of filters in the line. The only line that didn't have a filter on it was the one going to the loft, which was the only one that worked. He removed the filters and put everything back the way it should be.Moral of the story: Comcast returns excellent shareholder value by outsourcing and subcontracting to boobs, while retaining a smaller force of actually trained professionals to clean up their messes.So far he's the only person at Comcast who provided a good experience. He didn't make up things, he didn't make excuses, he was polite and he did a good job. I hope we run into more like him as we try to have the damage the contractors did. As it stands I'm going to have to do some work to clean up the wiring, but they'll have to address the television, possibly the wall, and make sure the bill is right.
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Just as a aside, since I have had my own experience with their "techs" it really is a crapshoot on who you get.
When we switched over to the Comcast 3 in 1 plan it took me hours, and a lot of troubleshooting myself as well as going through 3 techs before I finally found one who realized that the tech who came to our house to set up the phone somehow managed to have the MAC address of our computer modem (which doubles as a wired and wireless router so I didnt have to have 2 boxes hooked up) erased from our records and replaced with the previous modem (which we gave back to them over a year prior to this).
How he managed this I will never know, but the sheer stupidity I got from the 2 techs on the phone prior to this guy was mindblowing. Besides the fact that if you tell them you use a mac they use directions for OS 9 (you know the OS Apple used about 8 years ago) instead of OS X to utterly confuse people unless they work in the field, one of them flat out told me they dont support Macs, this DESPITE their own ads using Macs and showing the setup guide being done on a mac using safari.
Apparently, when Comcast enters a contract with these alleged installation technicians, they don't require any evidence of proficiency.
Also, it's one thing to not be proficient and another to be a stupid, dirty, clumsy, destructive idiot. If I had to install something in someone's home, I would do my darndest not to f-up their abode, while attempting an installation.
I'm sticking with satellite TV and DSL and I install any hardware, myself. I just can't trust others to do it right, even though they may do that.
Well that figures... That's the whole problem. We hire contractors who don't give a shit. They get paid by the job. So the faster they get in and out the more they get paid. Real Comcast Techs get paid by they hour and not the job. I work in Tech Support and can't tell you how many times or calls we get because of Contractors fucking up the install or repair jobs.
I work for Comcast and I know very well the deep dark secrets of their business. Many more stories to come... Mu ha ha ha ha!!
Every morning on my way to work, I drive right by a Comcast subcontractor's office on the north side of Chicago. The outfit is simply called "The Cable Guy". What amazes me is how much of a mess these guys make around their parking area. It is an utter eyesore, I don't think any of these Yo-Yo's have ever heard of the mordern technological marvel called a Garbage Can. On weekends, you can really see how bad it is when all their vehicles are gone --- the Wendy's wrappers and empty Big Gulp cups blowing around like tumbleweeds. Oh, plus I get a chuckle out of seeing one of the guys with a Lexus RX with the banged up ladders strapped to the roof rack. One step ahead of the Re-Po Man!
The best part of this is that you never really needed the cable modem installed in the first place. One of the things that Comcast doesn't tell you is that their DVR box comes with a DOCSIS modem already installed. So they are basically charging their 12 million customers $10 dollars a month to use a modem that they dont even need. Another comcast bullshit charge.
12 million customers X $10 a month = $120 Milllion
$120 Million X 12 months = $1.44 Billion
First of all, I want to point out, you do not split the line when installing a cable modem. Fortunately, I have no bad tech issues when Brighthouse gets contractors for their work.
They did the job perfectly how it should be done. One line separate for the cable modem, and one for the cable box. If you split the line, it degrades the performance of the cable modem itself.
When it comes to that nasty mess, just wow explains it. How can your hands get that dirty like you just worked on your car? I have had a tech before come to my house with his hands dirty, he apologetically asked to wash them before starting, which I can respect.
As for the frequency decreasing as it goes down the line, this is not realistically BS, but in this case he probably was using it as such. A signal will degrade the further down the line you go. Typically you would just a repeater, which takes the signal and essentially resends it.
Coax tends to have less of an issue with this though. The chance of it degrading badly enough before it gets to you is really low unless Comcast was really cheap on their cable infrastructure.
A person who thought there really was this problem though, would use a cable tester to check the line just to make sure.
I have a family member that works for Comcast so this is first hand knowledge. If you call Comcast and request an actual Comcast tech and NOT a contractor they are required to send that person out to your home. An actual Comcast tech will be held responsible for any damage left behind and Comcast will reimburse you for said damage. If a contractor comes out to your house they are not responsible for the damage that is most commonly left behind. A Comcast tech will come out and fix it - but not supply compensation. The contractors are hated by the actual Comcast techs, so the complaints are understood as they actually supply more work than they complete more often that not. Call and talk to someone in customer service and if that doesn't work go talk to someone in person. They WILL stand behind their work and fix your problems.
The Comcast contractors I dealt with in the Chicago suburbs were crap, but I have not had any problems with the ones that have come to fix problems in Delaware.
With contractors, it's always a crap shoot. Nicor Gas (Chicago again) uses contractors, and they are the biggest bunch of incompetent a**holes on the planet.
Whew!! I thought I was going to have to go a whole day without some Comcast bashing... Now that I have my daily dose, I feel much better... I have to admit, I have had nothing but good experiences with Comcast Techs who came to my house. I've had to have Techs come in for an HDTV upgrade a couple of years ago and Internet issues when I moved. Each time the Techs were on time, SUPER friendly and new what they were doing. When I had the HDTV issue the Tech did his thing and then I told him how much of a sports fan I was, he made a call and he added a Sports package free for 4 months..
HA! That looks extremely similar to my RCN setup here in Chicago. I had just moved into my apt, so I had nothing setup. I told the guy where I'd have my computer and TV, and because the RCN line was dropped right in the middle, and he was too lazy to actually do an efficient job, he just left like 8 inches of able from the wall, and then wanted to run cable back along the drop line for about 30 feet to my computer. The guy was a complete idiot.
Fortunately I told him there was no way I was going to let him leave it like that, and essentially just wanted him to leave a bunch of cable, and told him I'd do it myself. I didn't want him to touch anything, especially my new (at the time) plasma.
I still called and complained when he left, because he basically demanded some soda (which I was drinking while doing the work) and left trash all over the place. They gave me like $20 credit on that first month, I called it even.
Just an FYI, if you ever use a power booster to boost the video signal line in to more lines for more rooms, do not let the contrator tech boost the line for the cable modem as well. Cable modems do not like a boosted signal line. It took the Comcast tech supervisor 3 different trips to my house to figure out that the contractors did this. TRY TO ALWAYS GET A SECOND WIRE RUN TO THE HOUSE FOR THE CABLE MODEM. Comcast are reluctant to do this because it eats up a second connection on the phone pole but it is worth it. I get my full 768k up/8mb down that I paid for now.
I am grateful that I had a great experience with the Comcast tech on my most recent install, and I did make the move to their phone service.
However, when my internet service went down inexplicably it took no less than five days, eight hours, and 7 phone calls to fix the problem -- some modem validation issue on their end that didn't require in-home techs, but didn't fit the script or whatever they use for support calls.
Over and over I had to repeat: "I already rebooted. I already unplugged the modem and plugged it back in. I already ran that program."
Each time I had to remind them I had Comcast for phone service, and ask, "You won't disconnect me during this call if you work on the modem?" (Lousy cell reception at home.) "Oh no, we'll let you know if that's going to happen, or we'll call you back." Six out of seven times, before I lucked out with the "good" rep, I got a click, dead air, and no return call. Grrr.
I have had comcast at my place once to install my triple service package. I live south of Chicago (far enough south to not be considered a suburb) I don't know whether it was an actual comcast tech or a contractor. My experience with the tech was excellent. My only complaint that I can really give about the guy was that he complained a bit because my apartment had a crawlspace, and he didn't like crawlspaces. Despite this fact, he still went down into the crawlspace a few times as necessary to get the job done. He did have some trouble because he didn't know the previous tenant used satellite for TV and cable for internet, but he figured out the problem fairly quickly. He actually replaced some old splitters that were put in by a previous tenant as well at no charge. Before he left, he made sure everything was working ok and I didn't have a single complaint about the quality of the install at all.
First time poster here! At any rate, we've had nightmarish results with Comcast here in MD. We had 9, that's NINE techs out here for some of the same things mentioned. We finally got everything resolved three months after subscribing. The techs were deplorable, and we went through the trouble of having our front yard dug up to get a new feed from the main in our neighborhood. Since then there have been no issues, but I will say staying on top of them and trying to speak to one CSR each time you call can make all the difference. We've been given a significant discount for all of the trouble thanks to him...
I do feel for you. When mine went down because of a dead power supply (also known as AC adapter) on the modem, Brighthouse came out the next day (called on July 4th) to take care of it.
I've had good, and bad, experiences with Comcast contractors. The guys who moved our service when we moved down a floor to a new appartment screwed it up, but the guy who came to repair it was awesome. The guy who came to "install" my cable cards in my series 3 Tivo admitted right up front that he'd never done this before, so he let me do it myself, which saved us both a ton of time.
I've never had a problem with Comcast service itself though. We've had phone, tv and internet for years without a hitch.
Like others have said, it's all down to the contractor, thats the crapshoot.
I've also had a Comcast horror story.
I ordered the triple play (cable, voice and internet) from Comcast and had nothing but trouble.
The contractor showed up on time and installed everything quickly and professionally. Everything was fine, until the following morning when I no longer had an internet connection. About an hour later my phone service stopped working.
Over the next 2 weeks we had numerous modem reboots, a few replaced modems, hours spent on my cell with Comcast phone 'techs', numerous visits from techs support (they missed half of the scheduled appointments), many days taken off of work and I still only had only occasional internet and phone access.
When I did have phone/internet access, it was pretty poor. The phone line has lots of dropped packets and my internet speeds were great during the day, but once 5:30pm hit the speeds dropped to 56K speeds.
I was cussed out by the local tech supervisor because I had enough nerve to find his number and call him to complain about the lack of service. I found that most of the phone staff flat out lied about anything they could and that the local Comcast techs were pretty poorly trained.
I finally got my number ported back to ATT (I know, one evil for another) but I had to go 3 weeks with no phone or internet. ATT and Dish were more than happy to have me back. They waived all reinstall fees and bent over backwards to assist me in getting the best deal and getting everything set up correctly.
Comcast has always been known for their horrible "contractors." Ask anyone who has or had Comcast, and the majority of them will give you a bad experience they had.
We had a contractor come here. He didn't know how to setup the cable modem to work on the computer. After about an hour of him using his Nextel 2-way to talk to some buddy of his to get help (also swearing every 5th word), I finally asked him to leave. I signed the paper saying everything was setup to my liking just so the prick would leave.
I then spent about 4 hours on the phone with tech support trying to have them get my computer online.
A friend of mine is a contractor for Comcast. He says it is the easiest, blowoff job he has ever had. They don't check for the quality of work, being as they don't work for Comcast. He knows other contractors who go to people's houses drunk, pretend to setup a working system where the customer later finds out nothing was setup right.
But when you have an monopoly, you can do shitty work, because people have no where else to go.
The joys of subcontractors rears it's ugly head again! As a former neighborhood tech for Bright House in Tampa, FL I spent a lot of my time putting out fires that these types would start. It's sad too because there were SOME who did awesome work and you could tell by coming to someones house and see how neatly things were done. Othertimes the scene was just like this, or worse. Those installers get paid piece work and I was often under the impression they fled many scenes because they had spent too much time there and it was starting to eat into their profit for the day.
Wow - are you sure these aren't the same guys from this consumerist story [consumerist.com] ?
I'd highly recommend taking it all the way to the top - I got comensated for their lackluster skills and they made everything right in the end. It took a while, but all worked out well.
I would like to apologize for your lousy service. See, it is all my fault.
Comcast's service is awful. Their product is at best marginal. I cancelled it a couple of years ago & got a little dish & remain a happy camper. Comcast doesn't respond when they say they will, they destroy stuff and they out and out lie to your face or over the phone and in most cases, both. Once, when they came to replace an overheating modem that they said wasn't broken (it was) the repair guy said "huh. I thought they recalled these due to these things smoking and catching fire". And he was serious.
But here's where the great part comes in: as soon as I cancelled, they started sending expensive glossy ads, post cards, and brochures to the house begging for my returned business.
So, please allow my to apologize (since they won't). Because the money Comcast spends weekly to regain my business could have paid for your installation to be done correctly. If only I would have returned to the Comcastic life, your wall, TV and service would have been fine.
@Corkybelle: "I have a family member that works for Comcast so this is first hand knowledge."
actually that would be second-hand knowlege.
i used to work for comcast, both on the tech support and billing end. i also got to take a lot of supervisor escalated calls. i can vouch for the fact that the bs with the contractors happened all the farking time, although it should not. what everyone says is true, the contractors only get paid per job, so they're looking to get the most jobs one in a day. the actual techs from comcast are paid by the hour, therefore they are more dedicated to taking the TIME to fix your problem. i have talked to both sets of techs over the phone as well...have found the comcast techs to be more polite and very unappreciative of the botch jobs that the contract techs do. most installs are done by contractors, the repairs are done by comcast techs. i remember all the complaint calls i took about the techs showing up very late, not at all, and leaving before the job was done, saying they'd be back at this date/time, and never returned. try not to take it out too much on the tech support call centers...the resources they have for checking out issues suck hardcore. communication about outages, wheither they were resolved and if they are acutally outages that are happening was rare as well.
all the time on the billing end, i did see that fees that were promised to be waived, were not waived. oh, and that $29.99 fee to connect the digital voice services...yes, it is required by the fcc, but it CAN be credited back, i did it lots of times and was never reprimanded for doing so. and i am a little confused by the "voice over ip" comment the tech made. as far as i knew (i haven't worked for comcast since january, so things may have changed), comcast does not offer VOIP, they offer what's called comcast digital voice, which is a voice service done over internet signal...oi. i'm sorry you had such a rough time.
i worked for qwest for a while, too...and even though their service sucked most of the time...at least the technicians were pretty much competent. as excited as i was to start working for comcast at the time....if i had the choice to work for either again, hands down, i'd work for qwest again...but that means i must go back to the call center life, which is NOT HAPPENING! LOL
Wow. Call up and file a damage complaint ASAP.
The contractor did a horrific job there. And for what it is worth, you can be installed with both a cable modem and an eMTA (The ARRIS device used for voice) if you request it. The installer usually just needs to make a call into his dispatch office to change some codes for it, but it is easy to do.
@Corkybelle:
Corky, speaking as someone who works for Comcast and with the field techs, let me correct a pair very wrong things in your post.
1) You can request an in-house tech, but Comcast usually can not guarantee it. It all depends on who is available for what jobs. Also, I know some contractors who are amazingly good installers, so let's not get on this, 'All contractors suck' meme. I am not justifying this contractor by any means, but I know some who are just as good, if not better than the in-house techs.
2) Comcast does reimburse damages for contractors who perform work like we see in this case. You still need to file a damage complaint(started by calling customer service. A local walk in center I think can start the process, too.).
The standard "I don't speak for my company, blah blah blah", but I wanted to clarify some things.




















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My god this makes our part time techs look like neural surgeons. And here I thought we had problems getting a kid for 16 buck a hour to understand how to hook up a printer to a network and reserve the IP address.