Not Everyone Loves Vista, XP To Remain Available Until June, 2008

It seems people aren’t taking to Vista as quickly as Microsoft would have liked. The result? XP will remain available through June 30, 2008.

Good news for all the readers who’ve been complaining about the general lack of XP availability. Though we were unable to copies conjure XP out of thin air, it does seem that rumble from the XP faithful is getting louder.
From Ars:

In many ways, the success of Windows XP is also working against Microsoft. At this point, Windows XP SP2 is a very stable OS with known security strengths and weaknesses. In comparison, Vista is still an unknown quantity in some enterprise settings. Windows XP will also run well on older hardware. Myths that Vista needs high-end hardware to run adequately do not help Microsoft’s cause, either.

Microsoft is now saying they were “little ambitious” in giving XP only a year to live.

Amid disappointing Vista uptake, Microsoft relents on XP execution [Ars Technica]
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  1. jwissick says:

    Or just forget about MS and go to Linux…. I switched and am happy as hell.

  2. crashman2600 says:

    I really think this is a death blow to Vista. This and when Dell went back to offering both OS’s on most of their computers. If MS was smart they would issue a XP SP3 with the security improvements and be done with it. As a support person at an ISP I sigh everytime someone says “I have Vista and I cant get blank working”

  3. weave says:

    I’m an IT director at a 4000 employee company and I’m probably not alone in asking “what’s in it for my company?” We’re currently going through the same questions with Office 2007.

    There’s quite a lot of labor and hence expense in getting IT staff geared up to support these new versions and then the larger expense (basically a time drain) of getting employees trained.

    The first pilot group we’ve deployed Office 2007 to are frustrated as hell by it, and they are the early adopter types. Usually it’s a case of “I know what I want to do, but taking the time to figure out how to do it in Office 2007 is aggravating.”

    So we end up with the larger question of “How is this going to help my employer?” Are people going to be able to do their job more efficiently? Save time? Do more than they do now?

    If not, why the hell bother? If what works now works well, why risk breaking it?

  4. bobbiac says:

    The problem is (i think) that since there is still a large enough demand for XP, when MS discontinues support for the product becomes abandonware, and it becomes a legal nightmare trying to keep it from being freely distributed.

  5. Televiper says:

    Vista is windows Millenium all over again. I have a feeling that Vista will have a second service pack, and there will be a Vista 2 or a successor announced before June 2008. Though I would prefer an XP release with native SATA support.

  6. Charles Duffy says:

    @weave: Bingo. For an incumbent, asking customers to go through big changes is dangerous — the safety implicit in not making big changes is what gives them their biggest buffer against competitors’ enchroachment.

    If there are going to be significant transition costs no matter what, it becomes a lot easier to start looking at spending those costs getting away from single-vendor lock-in.

  7. bobbiac says:

    There are already rumorurs of winehq working on a dx10 compatibility api for winXP

  8. Parting says:

    Vista is a lot of trouble right now. A lot of applications used easily with XP are NOT COMPATIBLE with Vista.

    Example : ActiveSync – application for synchronizing cell phones and PDAs – widely used – well it doesn’t work with Vista.

    So if you have a PDA that runs with XP, well it won’t work with Vista.

    To make it work, you have to transfer ALL of information, using a different type of software.

    Until Microsoft changes the way Vista works and it permits the old software to be compatible with it – it’s a waste of time and money upgrading.

    Give it a year, then Vista may become the new ”XP”.

  9. zolielo says:

    @Televiper: That is what I hear something along the lines of a corp / gov version of Vista or a Vista 2…

  10. bilge says:

    Vista’s replacement is currently slated for 2010. As XP support goes until 2014, I don’t see the point in going to Vista for a few more years, if ever.

  11. chili_dog says:

    iWeave is always right.

    I got my 1st Vista box just this week and oh man does it blow. I even scaled everything back for performance and it’s still a memory hog and slow. Every function requires a second “Are you sure?” click even, even to just check the ethernet card status. I needed it fast and got it from BestBuy

  12. louisb3 says:

    IIRC, even Apple took more than a year to transition from OS 9 to OS X, and those operating systems had the advantage of not sucking.

  13. azntg says:

    After giving my current laptop two weeks (just in case I had to take advantage of the in-store return period), I found the XP drivers that Toshiba tried oh-so-hard to hide (apparantly, many drivers used are the same with older laptops that came with XP preinstalled), uninstalled Vista and installed XP. Haven’t been happier since.

    Vista loads way too slow for my liking (even after optimizing the settings), UAC is annoying as hell, a few legacy programs I use doesn’t run on it at all and I don’t think Microsoft got the point on the antitrust cases… why is it including more “hard coded built-in” programs that I’ll never use?

  14. Get a Mac.

  15. Grrrrrrr, now with two buns made of bacon. says:

    I think the article nailed it. Why would I want to switch to an OS that’s buggy, has incompatibility issues, and is much more of a resource hog when XP seems reasonably stable and easily beaten into submission. Anyone? Bueller?

  16. magic8ball says:

    Maybe this is all just an Old Coke/New Coke ploy by Microsoft. They’re worried that too many people are switching to Linux, or Apple, or whatever, so they’ve released Vista to make XP look more attractive. It doesn’t seem any more implausible than the idea of releasing an OS that their existing customers can’t use.

  17. Extended-Warranty says:

    Vista does suck. Hopefully Microsoft will lose lots of money because of this. There really was no reason to release Vista, except of course for MS to make more money. XP Media Center is all the average consumer needs (if that much). Vista hogs waaaay too much resources and is not compatibile with anything older. Is 3d flip a good trade? I like instant search though. Still not enough.

  18. joebloe says:

    I ordered a Dell laptop with Vista and called CS to get it replaced with XP. CS tells me XP is not available as an option and sending me a blank computer with no operating system is not an option; so I cancelled. Next day Dell called and offered me $100 off the same laptop but installed with XP wichich didn’t exist the day before!

  19. hoo_foot says:

    What Vista needs is a price cut. I got my copy of Vista for free and love it. It runs many games better than XP and actually reads my 4 GB of memory. However, there is no way I would have forked over $400 for only a slight improvement in performance.

  20. Boberto says:

    @weave: Because you never really own your software, as a licensee, just as iTunes music is never transferable, or your iPhone has very limited usage rights etc.

  21. gruffydd says:

    Lenovo is offering XP downgrades for most of their laptops/desktops sold with Vista Business or Ultimate purchased on 09/01 or after.

  22. Cary says:

    If half of you say “it sucks” and the other half say “it blows,” then, on average, isn’t it perfect?

  23. Blue says:

    Vista makes XP look like a lean and mean OS. Vista as an OS has administrative rights over my computer! I don’t own my computer any more, MicroSoft does, they just allow me to use it.

  24. Blue says:

    HOO_Foot,

    For free huh? You love it, and it runs games better. Your on the payroll, aren’t ya?

  25. Trai_Dep says:

    I’m trying to imagine the number of people that, when running on hardware compatible machines, demand to downgrade from the Mac’s latest operating system to an older one. Let alone so many of them that Apple needs to extend the life cycle of the obsolete OS by a year due to lackluster demand.

    And this is thru TWO major CPU changes and a completely rewritten code base.

    I visualize a number – wait for it… w-a-i-t for it…

    Zero.

    Wow, it speaks volumes about the relative suckitude of the two OSs. Your actions speak far louder than any words you can say, Windows guys. But there’s no shame. C’mere, and we’ll give you a nice, big hug. C’mon in, the water’s fine.

  26. MercuryPDX says:

    @trai_dep: My thought is (much like weave describes), if they won’t switch from XP to Vista because it’s risky and cost-prohibitive, switching to a completely different platform/OS that requires all new hardware that doesn’t come cheap is pretty much out of the question.

    If my current box explodes in a ball of fire on July 1, and XP is nowhere to be found, I’d briefly consider switching to a Mac. Truth be told, I would ultimately have to go with whatever my employer is using for sake of compatibility.

  27. ShadowFalls says:

    @MercuryPDX:

    Don’t forget the advantage of a Mac, you can load XP on it. It is one reason why I am seriously considering a Mac for a laptop choice.

  28. OnceWasCool says:

    I agree, go Linux! Sure it’s 1980’s technology, but you won’t have bugs or viruses. However you won’t have any friends either. :)

  29. Her Grace says:

    If Shuttle doesn’t continue to offer XP when I get my next computer (which is at least a year and a half off, so they may well not), I’ll either learn to build and put XP on it or I’ll consider a mac mini. SFF is very important to me, so a small case like shuttle or a mac mini appeal, though the lack of compatibility with some of my things (like my scanner) kept me from a mac last time (almost two years ago…damn!). Then again, I think if I upgrade the memory on this machine it will be happy for a long time to come.

  30. Trai_Dep says:

    @MercuryPDX: if it’s standard (e.g., Office, Adobe…) software that your offices uses, it’s a snap going between the two. I use my Mac to create projects for Windows clients all the time. So long as you ensure font-matching, it’s seamless. FWIW.

    The Apple site covers that if you’re remotely interested: http://www.apple.com/getamac/

  31. Usama says:

    Earlier this year I custom-built my computer. It cost me about $1100 for the bare essentials (case, power supply, motherboard, CPU, hard drives, copy of Windows XP Media Center 2005 w/ free upgrade to Windows Vista Home Premium, etc.)

    I installed XP, then the Vista DVD came and I installed that on the 2nd hard drive. I only ran XP in the first few weeks. But after about the 4th or 5th week I switched and now I only run Vista.

    I’m more productive with Vista. Vista is far easier to use and let’s more organize and find my data much faster and quicker than I could with XP. It does need more RAM but that is a natural evolution in operating systems (for the most part).

    The only incompatibility I had was with my scanner. But I still have XP installed on the other HD, so whenever I do need to scan something (which is rare), I just boot into XP MCE.

    It takes some time to get used to the changes in Vista. Also, I would turn off the “User Access Control” (do a google search on how to turn that off) so you don’t get annoying messages everytime you try to install something or make changes. But with some effort I think most people would find it is in many ways better than XP. Look, security will always be a problem, no matter which Microsoft OS you have.

    And now I just bought Office 2007 and it is also a far better product than any previous Office release. The menu (“ribbon interface”) is really that much better than the old menus.

  32. vitonfluorcarbon says:

    My company has no Vista computers at this time. We have taken the stance that OS takes a while to flush out the bugs and we will not adopt “new” OS for a couple of years. To take it a step farther, some of our vendors are still keeping people on Windows 2000 for better security. They cannot connect wirelessly to our network and sometimes cannot read spreadsheets/documents that we create.

    I’m sure the Microsoft will sort the issues with Vista out, but why do companies ($13 Billion) like mine have to be the “proving grounds” for their OS with a paid liscense? MS needs to figure out how to test their product ahead of release so we will adopt immediately.

  33. vitonfluorcarbon says:

    Apple and Linux Lovers talk about security, but it is popularity that makes the MS operating system a target for security threats. Winning people to your side will only make you more vunearable to security threats.

    I have nothing against Linux or Apple, just recognize that the most prevalent system will be the most targeted.

  34. mac-phisto says:

    i think some of you linux & mac guys are kind of missing the point on why so many people think vista sucks – it’s b/c it’s more like linux & mac than windows. the whole point of windows is being able to run any program a person can come up with on it, or opening virtual basic & creating your own.

    i’m not trying to start a flame war here – i think mac’s o/s is awesome & anyone looking for a great home computer should really think about making the switch. & i wish i knew enough programming to take advantage of linux b/c all i really need at home is a stripped os that can run a few key programs.

    at work, mac & linux are just not an option. i wish they were b/c security is a huge issue, but the software i need to run is just not compatible.

  35. Trai_Dep says:

    @vitonfluorcarbon: Nope. It’s because security has been part of the process from the kernal up. Won’t bore you with details (wiki might help for this), but it’s really a state of mind and applying tried-and-true operating principles.

  36. spinachdip says:

    @vitonfluorcarbon: You don’t think hackers are targeting OS X? You’d think with people switching from Windows to Macs, there would be an increase in malicious attacks on Macs, right? That just hasn’t happened.

    Every now and then, you’ll see gleeful “Gotcha!” articles in tech magazines talking about how some programmers exploited vulnerabilities in OS X, and but more often than not, they turn out to be out to be red herrings.

    Not that OS X is perfect – every month or so, you get a notice about upgrades and security fixes, but that’s the point – Apple and Linux programmers have been much more proactive about fixing vulnerabilities before they become a widespread problem.

    Yeah, their relatively low market share shields them to an extent, but here’s the thing – even if you went out and created the most awesome malware or spyware for Mac, it wouldn’t do a bit of damage since a third party can’t just install something in your system without your knowledge or permission, the way you can in pre-Vista Windows.

    I hate the Mac/Linux vs PC religious war as much as the next guy, but I wish people would stop with the canards like “Macs are for designers and musicians” and “Macs would have viruses too if more people used them”. The other day, I was chatting with a guy who tried to convince me that I couldn’t right-click on OS X.

  37. CoffeeAddict says:

    Although Vista has been bashed a fair bit for many reasons, some valid and others not so much. As a stand alone program it runs great. I know many companies have not adopted it yet and possibly never will. Macs are definately a great system and there OS runs well. Linux also runs great although it’s not as user friendly as Microsoft programs. I personally run XP Pro and will continue to do so until I see a more stable OS from Microsoft. I’m actually waiting for “Vienna” to come out although that may be a couple years before that is released. Good luck to all the brave souls you place Vista on their work networks.

  38. Myths that Vista needs high-end hardware to run adequately do not help Microsoft’s cause, either.

    Myths my ass. I just got through uninstalling Vista from my other laptop in favor of Windows Media Center 2005. I gained 13GB of HDD space, alot of functionality, more compatibility with my software (I can run my anti-virus now), about 64MB more shared video memory, and other advantages. Did I mention I like having an operational Windows Media Center?

  39. zaq2g says:

    @chouchou: “Example : ActiveSync – application for synchronizing cell phones and PDAs – widely used – well it doesn’t work with Vista.”

    Vista has its own activesync replacement called “Windows Mobile Device Center” or something. I haven’t used Vista yet, but I hear that it much better than that abomination called activesync

  40. AbstractConcept says:

    You mean not everyone hates Vista?

  41. Iron_Dragon_2.0 says:

    @chili_dog: It’s called UAC. Turn it off. You’re bashing vista yet you clearly haven’t taken the time to learn about it. Also you bought a system at best buy and it’s vista’s fault that it’s slow? Sorry but no…

    @hoo_foot: True enough. Vista is better but it isn’t worth a $400 upgrade. But people whining about getting it free confuse me though.

    @Blue: Yes he is just as everyone who likes a Mac is obviously on the Apple payroll. Am I right?

    @Usama: Same here. I installed Vista on my XP machine to dual boot and I never looked back. UAC was turned off within my first half hour of using Vista though…

    @vitonfluorcarbon: Well no business should be running the latest tech unless they need it. If you’ve got a studio of 3d artists then yes you’ll need $2500 systems around the office. For a normal work environment however Win 2k Pro and a $500 or less system will do the job just fine.

    Also Vista was tested. It was beta for at least 6 months. The release build was quite stable and even more so than the original build of XP. The only real problem with Vista at launch was 3rd party driver support because other companies weren’t even trying to support Vista despite the beta being available for a long while.

    @Papa Midnight: 13 Gigs free? My entire Vista folder right now is 7.75 gigs so I don’t know what you’re going on about.

    @Everyone complaining about system resources: God forbid Vista use the memory to make the OS faster. I’m a gamer and Vista runs faster than XP on both my systems. Of course it’s going to run like **** if you buy a 512mb ram Dell system. Regardless. Continue to run XP forever. Why not run Windows 3.1? I’m sure it uses even less resources… I don’t even care anymore. Vista is the superior OS and you’re just going to punish yourselves by sticking with XP when you can get Vista free. If you had to pay retail Vista prices however then I support your choice to stick with XP.

    I built my friend a system a few days ago. He was nervous about installing Vista (because of stupid rumors he’d heard) but he got a dx 10 video card so I told him he’d want it for gaming. He now loves the OS. It’s very simple and easy to navigate once you learn a few tricks.

  42. AbstractConcept says:

    @AbstractConcept:
    The thing is that Vista is new.. Just like everyone hated XP when it came out.. There are bugs and glitches that Microsoft hasn’t dealt with. It will take some updates before Vista can get up to par.

  43. lestat730 says:

    I’ve been running Vista in my graphic design studio for about 6 months now. I absolutely love it and have no regrets or thoughts of reverting back to XP. I’ve also experienced zero problems with any peripherals or software. I think many people just get off on bashing MS and are turned off by having to change operating systems. I also started running Vista on my personal PC where I have it working on a duel boot that has Linux and Windows Vista.

  44. SparklyJ says:

    What sort of support are they providing for the poor losers like me that bought a Vista computer because she was too dumb to realize there were a few XPs left out there? Is Microsoft going to send me a free copy of XP to install over Vista? I figure I paid for it once and didn’t use it very long and I am certainly paying and paying and paying for Vista each time I use it. Paid when I bought it, paid when I went to the doctor for anger issues, paid for a new monitor when this one stepped in the path of my anger…

  45. Rusted says:

    I’ll give up my Windows 2000 Pro when I’m cold and dead.

  46. du2vye says:

    The only thing developed in Vista was to become a big ad for switching to a MAC.

  47. chili_dog says:

    @Iron_Dragon_2.0: I make no claims to be a an IT pro. I know, that as an advanced user who can configure the majority of the OS to “run right” and not have many of the crap problems that come pre-loaded on a MS box be a problem. However, if this new and completely asinine thing that does not intuitively lend itself to be “turned off” hinder me, then it certainly is a problem for many more.

    on a side note though, why should a box from best buy be slower then an equivalent box from any other manufacturer? It;s painfully slow, even for just opening firefox. But alas, I formatted the drive and loaded XP Pro and guess what, it is down right snappy now. I gues that bloated pig needs a gaming beast to be fast.

  48. Parting says:

    @zaq2g: Just a little problem : you have to PAY for the new software. Yes activesync sucks, but it comes free with PDAs.

  49. Parting says:

    @zaq2g: There is way too many extra stuff that has to be bought for Vista, to get a smooth-running computer.
    20$ here, and 30$ there, add-up really quickly.

  50. Trai_Dep says:

    @chili_dog: PCs often (always) come loaded with crap trial, demo and throw-away software preinstalled to better “serve” you. And generate bundling fees for the mfr and Microsoft. The fact that it slows your system to a crawl and bloats your hard drive isn’t much of consideration on their parts.

    C’mon: could you live without AOL 12.3? Didn’t think so.

    ((Cough.) Unlike a Mac which comes with programs like iTunes, iLife, dozens of utilities and the like, all of which is fully functional, totally enabled and It Just Works. Without slowing your system down to a crawl. Your happiness Apple does consider.)

  51. chili_dog says:

    @trai_dep: @trai_dep: Macs are well and good but I have specific, windows only programs that don;t (read not supported) when run on a mac. And like many I run macs at home and PCs at the office.

  52. mac-phisto says:

    @spinachdip: “You don’t think hackers are targeting OS X? You’d think with people switching from Windows to Macs, there would be an increase in malicious attacks on Macs, right? That just hasn’t happened.”

    virus/no virus, spyware/no spyware, adware/no adware – all i know is that my housemate’s absolutely awesome 9 month old imac is slow as hell now. takes forever to fire up programs (especially firefox, safari, quicktime, itunes), trying to load a movie normally results in the red hand of death, & ad windows will pop up constantly without prompting & even without firefox open. firefox kicks out of session about every 10 minutes or so. real fun stuff.

    now, if this were a pc, i’d know right away what the problem is & how to deal with it. a half day with a few different programs & voila! problem solved. however, this is a mac & as we know, macs don’t have this type of problem. period. kind of makes it hard to fix it.

    i’m sure this is just another one of your red herrings though. my housemate isn’t really having all those problems i mentioned & i’m just making this all up b/c i’m an m$ fanboi. except that i love macs. their interface is cool, the out of the box gfx kick the crap out of most any pc w/ a $500 gfx card & they’re (mostly) easy to use. you’re just an ass if you think you’re immune though.

  53. wezelboy says:

    @mac-phisto: You don’t need to be a programmer to use Linux. Maybe you should give Ubuntu a shot.

  54. mac-phisto says:

    @wezelboy: i’m replacing my home pc soon (salvaged 8 yr old hp business class – 730 mhz, 256 ram – the one i’m using now actually), so i was thinking of loading ubuntu & setting it up w/ my entertainment center downstairs as a “media desktop”. windows is pretty hosed, so i figured i’d give it a shot. i’m hoping the imac i mentioned above will have a better shot at connecting to the linux for file sharing – it wants nothing to do with the windows machines on the network.