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Got An Inactive Macy's Store Account? Here's Your New Citibank Mastercard

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Recently, a Consumerist tipster sent in an internal memo from Macy's explaining that the store was "flipping" 3.5 million inactive store accounts into Citibank Mastercards. The memo reads:

"Approximately 3.5 million inactive (24-48 months) Macy's accounts have been selected to "flip" to the Citibank Mastercard. That means the customer will be sent a Citibank Mastercard to replace their inactive Macy's card. "

The "flip," as they call it, was "opt-out"—which means that if you missed a recent letter from Macy's explaining that they were going to open a credit card for you, you can expect a Citibank Mastercard in the mail.

We hadn't heard of this questionable-sounding practice before, so we showed the memo to Elizabeth Warren, consumer law expert and Harvard professor. She hadn't heard of it either, but expressed concerns about what this action by Macy's might do to a customer's credit score.

We were concerned, too. It didn't seem possible for a store to simply decide to open an unrelated credit card account for customers who had inactive store cards. How was it happening?

Information Sharing

As far as we can tell, Macy's is taking advantage of an "information sharing" clause in their original store card agreement. The clause states that Macy's is allowed to share information with Citibank as an "affiliate" of Macy's. Opting-out of the information sharing agreement requires calling or writing Macy's. We suspect few card holders bothered.

Nowhere in the clause does it say that the term "information sharing" means that Citibank has the right to open new credit card accounts for inactive Macy's store card holders. So why are they doing it?

Professor Ronald Mann of Columbia University is an expert on electronic commerce and the credit card industry, so we asked what he thought of Macy's memo. Although Professor Mann had never heard of "flipping" either, he speculated that what was really going on was a "transfer of data" from Macy's to Citibank.

" By aggregating this information with other information CitiBank has about these people, CitiBank would enhance its ability to design products that would both be profitable for CitiBank and attractive for these people. I expect that CitiBank paid Macy's a substantial amount for the data," he told Consumerist in an email.

It does seems likely that, in this case, the term "information sharing" is being interpreted to mean that valuable but "inactive" Macy's customer's accounts can be sold or transferred to Citibank, and Citibank can choose to open an account for said customers providing they do not opt-out.

Credit Score Implications

While we do not have specific information about the methods Citibank is using when they "flip" the inactive Macy's accounts, we find it hard to believe that it will not affect credit scores.

Our best guess is that if you're an inactive Macy's card customer and you don't opt-out in time, Citibank will have to ping your credit to determine the appropriate rate and limit to give you, which would look like an application for new credit and would drop your score temporarily.

At that point, if Citibank decided to give you a different limit than your Macy's account had, your available/utilized credit ratio would change, which would affect your score either positively or negatively, depending on the individual. It's our understanding that store cards are weighted equally to credit cards by FICO for this part of the score.

Canceling the inactive Macy's account and replacing it with a new Citibank account would shorten credit history for some consumers, a change which would lower some scores.

The effect this new credit card will have on a credit score depends entirely on the individual. For some, it may help. Others will see a drop in their score that they did not know was coming. For those consumers who are mortgage or car loan shopping, the new card could pose trouble.

Privacy

We don't know exactly what steps Macy's has taken to ensure that it did not mail "opt-out" forms (and, eventually, credit cards) to old or outdated addresses. In addition, receiving an (apparently) unsolicited credit card in the mail is a "symptom" of ID theft and will likely alarm many consumers who disregarded Macy's original "opt-out" letter as "junk mail."

We expressed these concerns to Professor Warren, wondering if we might be making a mountain out of a mole hill. Turns out, she's worried too, and said that although "flipping" seemed merely "sleazy" at first, she now thought it "costly to consumers."

Consumerist called Macy's Credit Services and asked if the accounts were really being "flipped." Macy's confirmed, and stressed that consumers could "opt-out." We asked if the Citibank Mastercards offered any Macy's benefits or were branded by Macy's. Macy's said the cards were standard Citibank Mastercards with no ties to Macy's. They also confirmed that after 25 months in inactivity, Macy's store cards would be "flipped."

In addition, "flipped" customers can't cancel by calling Macy's. All cancellations must go through Citibank.

We have to wonder how Macy's and Citibank can justify sending "opt-out" notices for something as sensitive as a new credit card account. As Professor Warren said, "I think the appropriate move here is to send a letter saying, 'We're closing all inactive Macy accounts. If you would like a Citicard instead, check the box.' Why don't they do that?"

Good question.

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Target did the exact same thing to me.

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Nice post.


How can the credit card industry say that it's serious about fighting ID theft and still follow these sort of risky practices?

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Lowes did this to me about 8 months ago with no warning, just got the new card in the mail one day. I don't even remember what bank it was with, but possibly Citi.

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"Customers first, Integrity always" - might be time to change that tagline Macy's. Something mor along the lines of "Profit first, customers a distant second... Integrity? Never heard of it."

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Helzberg Jewelry did this to our store account as well. A year later they asked us if we wanted to open another store account.

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Oh, this is horrible. My inactive Macy's card may go to an old address. I woke up at 5am to work on my column for my deadline, but I just got up from the computer and tore up several drawers looking for my Macy's card. I'm calling the scumbags now. If anybody else needs the number:

1-800-BUY-MACY

These scumbags. I just closed my account (which I hadn't used since 2000, since I buy everything with an airlines reward Visa) and I'll never shop at Macy's again. And I told them that. Turns out I had changed the address to my correct address...but I had a moment of panic that I'd maybe forgotten. Phew!

Cancel your Macy's card and tell them why.

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I had something similar happen to me with a musicians' supply place. They discontinued their private card, and existing customers got a new one from an unrelated company.


I didn't realize this until I checked my credit report. Needless to say, I FREAKED out over the mystery card.


Turns out, I'd thrown out the new card with the rest of my junk mail. It's canceled now, but I shudder to think about how easy it would have been for someone to use that card. (And I'm extremely careful about my mail--I shred those car insurance offers that go to "MameDennis OR Current Resident"!)

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Wonder how many of those inactive cards don't even have the correct address associated with them anymore. Damn nice of Citi to be sending free money to whoever gets those cards. Of course, Citi will likely ruin the credit of the people who's NAMES are on the cards when it turns out the people stealing the cards aren't paying the bill...

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@c26nyc: Yup, Target tried to pull that crap on me too. We opted out, which took several tries, if I recall correctly.

With Target, this wasn't an inactive card, this was one we used every month.

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As I see it, if it's inactive, they should only have 2 choices: leave it inactive or cancel it. As DBEAHN says, most of them are probably people who moved or died and they are sending the cards to somebody else's address.

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Great work, Consumerist. I linked to your piece and urged readers of my blog to cancel their cards, and proposed the blog item for linkage by my blog syndicator, Pajamas Media. Get the word out to these corporations that they can't do stuff like this without suffering financial consequences. Clearly the "Customers First - Integrity Always" is an Everest of horseshit.

Picture of my cut-up Macy's card here:

[www.advicegoddess.com]

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Someone ought to file charges against Citi/Macy's for identity theft or credit card fraud or whatever applies here. Sure, it wouldn't go anywhere, but the process of straightening it out would make for some fun media coverage.



Great article, Meg. I'm really impressed.


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That is ridiculous. Mail is not a valid medium for informing someone of something this important when you get a dozen credit card offers in the mail all claiming to be "IMPORTANT CREDIT CARD INFORMATION". I had to find out about this from an unaffiliated website?!


I'll have to keep an eye out for this card so I can cut it, I am @#%^ing pissed that they are screwing with MY credit score. And worse, there's no way to fight back.

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This brings up something I've been wondering about recently - as the date on which I receive several of my bills in the mail creeps closer and closer to the due date for their payment:

Isn't there some legal requirement to provide some reasonable amount of notice and time to respond? This memo shows a letter mailing date of July 20th and a response deadline of August 10th. Assuming standard USPS delays, that's barely more than two weeks' time in which to respond. Is that legal? How little notice can they legally give?

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This happened to me a couple of years ago with a Macy's Visa -- the whole card just showed up one day with a huge credit line. I called with a WTF? and was told I could cancel the card, which I did. I think I had to reapply for a new Macy's card, though (which sees little use). I do not remember seeing the Visa on my credit report, but it was still a huge pain, not to mention a little scary re potential identity theft.


Store credit cards in general pretty much suck.

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How is this legal? Agreeing that someone can share information about you isn't the same as, 'Hey, just open up credit cards in my name whenever you want!'

I never understood how credit card companies can just give you cards you never asked for. How can they decide to make you a customer? No one else does that. Amazon doesn't send me books and then demand payment. The cashier at Publix doesn't toss in extra bottles of soda and add them to the total.

I just don't see how it's even legal. You shouldn't have to call companies up and inform them that you don't want to open accounts with them.

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Only transactions I am directly responsible for should affect my credit score.

Flipping like this sure seems illegal, but I'm sure Macys/Target/et.al. have covered all their legal bases with lawyer-approved weasly words.

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OMG WTF! You know of all the stupid sleazy ideas. My wife and I have moved a few times in the last 6 years, no telling if her former Macy's account mailing address is current!!!!

So what person will be getting a nice new credit card with my wifes name on it!!!!!

We haven't kept up with the mailing on it because its paid off and they stopped sending statements...

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I wonder how big a kickback the ailing macys is getting for this

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Sweet, I am glad I still buy a pair of boxers and socks every once in a while at Macy's, since Heralds Square is just up 7th Ave.

This is still pretty dick of them to do.

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Gateway did this to me a couple of years back. It turns out the Citi MC they gave me has amazing promotions:


For purchases over $99, 3 months no finance charge


For purchases over $249, 6 months no finance charge


It's great for big ticket items, like vacations but not great where I need purchase protection (electronics, etc).

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I couldn't believe it when I got my notice a few weeks ago. It just seemed so slimy. I won't give my business to Citibank for a number of reasons and was appalled that my account could've just been turned over to them. I called the number right away to opt out, but now I'm seriously considering dropping my Macy's account altogether for pulling this kind of crap. Obviously I don't shop their often or this wouldn't be happening, but I happily gave them my business any time I needed some new clothing or household items. ugh.

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If you think you've closed your Macy's account, you may want to double check. I closed my Macy's card a couple of years back (with a conformation letter included) only to find out later that my account had not been closed, but marked as inactive. I found this out while trying to open an account again to take advantage of the extra 20% off. I had to call a few more times to get it closed. What a pain!

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I'm moving overseas for a while soon. Is there any way to put out a general notice to credit companies not to send unsolicited cards and offers to my old addresses?

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Thanks, mine was one of them. I think I will now cease to do business with them.

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You know, there was something weird on my credit card a few weeks ago, and this article brings it all together- I opened a Bloomie's charge, and they took the liberty of opening a Macy's VISA on my behalf. WHAT THE HELL?? Closing both accounts right now.

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I applied for a Bloomie's card last July, and looking at my credit report now, a separate Visa account was opened on my behalf (Bloomingdales and Macy's are part of the same company). What the hell? Calling them right now to shut allllll that shit down. Not cool, people!

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@Pelagius:
You can go to one of the credit reporting agencies (Equifax) and sign up for a 90 day credit fraud alert. This way, in order to get any new credit card activated they have to call you at a number you designate. Works pretty slick.

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I don't know if it's still being offered, but a while back, anyone with a Ebay & Paypal account could get free credit monitoring from Equifax. I actually get a text message sent to my phone whenever there's a significant balance change or a new card.

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Same thing happened to my wife when Casual Corner/Petite Sophisticate went out of business. Her store card that she got for the 10% off was replaced by a "GE Money" mastercard. It actually had really good terms, including a lengthy 0% BT with no fees offer, so we played the arbitrage game with it.

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Goodyear recently flipped an inactive account of mine to Citibank. I was quite suprised to receive the new Citibank card in the mail, and the customer service rep at Citibank tried quite hard to talk me out of closing the unwanted account.

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Is this legal? I don't have a Macy's card however if they do this, will consumers lose their credit history on their CR?

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If you live in California, I suggest freezing your credit. You can unfreeze it with a PIN that you select. I think it costs $10. You do it if you need to apply for credit for something.

Here's a link:

[www.privacy.ca.gov]

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Just called to alert my mother about this. She hasn't used her card in a long time, so she's pretty sure any opt-out letters or shiny new completely unasked-for Citibank Mastercards were sent to her old address, where the guy who bought her house probably just tossed it in the trash.



I hope this makes the mainstream news and Macy's gets ripped a new one over it.

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A store card I had for 2 years now, never used it and was sent an upgrade to a Citi World MasterCard. I didn't want to retain the card, so I merged the credit limit from that new card to my old Citi card from a few years back. So if you do get the card, just merge the limit.

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Confirmation. Yes they were going to flip my mother's account. Yes, they sent an opt-out letter. No, they didn't send it to the right address. The account had not yet been flipped, so no card had been sent out yet. After calling the 1-800-BUY-MACY number and getting a lot of hassle from the call center in India she was able to cancel her account. And in the process of talking to my mom about this, at leasts two people in my office are now planning on canceling their Macy's cards. Nice going Macy's.

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I ran my wife's credit last Friday for a mortgage application and saw three citibank cards! She had an inactive macy's card and this explains it. Her score was still very good, but it was alarming to see things on there that we had no idea about. She has never opened an account with citibank ever.

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Inevitably, these unasked for credit cards are going to end up in the hands of identity thieves. I smell class action lawsuits.

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I haven't used my Macy's card in forever, but after reading this I wanted to cancel it. I called their customer service line on 1 (866)593-2543 and was able to cancel the account without having the Macy's card number with me (after verifying information). So if you're worried that you can't find the card, it's worth calling them to cancel the account anyway. They're also sending me confirmation of the closure, which is coming by mail.

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Has anyone had any success contacting CitiBank about this before receiving their card? The idiot at 1800-Buy-Macy could no longer even find my account, and we surmised it'd already been flipped, as my dad did indeed get the notice in the mail for me at my old address.

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Thanks for posting this Meg. I called right away and could not get the computer system to recognize my SS#. It made me think that maybe I had canceled the account. Nope. When I was put through to the rep I told her to cancel my account and to make sure I would not receive the citibank card in the mail. She told me that since the opt-out deadline had passed I would be getting the card. I have moved 4 times since i opened the account and never saw the form. After this I asked to speak to a customer service rep. She stopped citibank from issuing the new credit card (she claims). At least the woman was polite and took down my complaint. We'll see about the card in a few weeks. I wonder how many calls like this they have been getting.

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Didn't this all start with Macy's selling their credit card accounts to Citibank? If so, Citi is basically just changing the type of account from one of limited use (only at Macy's) to a MasterCard that can be used anywhere. Everyone already had a Citi account whether they realized it or not. Stay on top of your credit report, people. I found I had two Macy's/Citibank accounts due to Macy's buying a local store I had an account with. I called up and cancelled one and made sure the one left open had the correct address.

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Wow, I never thought so many Consumerist readers would have Macy's cards.

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And this is why I never ever sign up for a store credit card, no matter how good the % off my first purchase is and even knowing that I'd pay off the balance right away. None of my friends has ever understood why I always decline (mostly out of principal since I hate the upsell at checkout), but now I feel very much vindicated. Especially since some posters have listed companies other than Macy's who have done this before...

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Can somebody please do a small amount of proper research here? Macy's (formerly Federated) sold their credit portfolio to Citibank in July of last year. There is no privacy violation -- all of your accounts have been owned by Citibank for more than a year and there is nothing shady about it whatsoever.

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Everyone already had a Citi account whether they realized it or not.


Everyone was not expecting a shiny new credit card, usable just about everywhere in the mail.


I got my Macy's card probably 15 years ago, probably as part of a promotion, and really never used it. Now, not only will I never use it, I'll avoid using even my Visa at Macy's, and I'm encouraging everyone who has a Macy's card to call and cancel and tell Macy's they don't patronize businesses run without integrity.


I hope others will do the same.

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@fredmertz:
There is nothing shady about it whatsoever???

You sir, are an idiot.

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I work for the call center and I have never seen that memo, but this program has happened. You're a little late on the posting. Customers can no longer opt out of this procedure. If you haven't opted out by now then your card is definitely being processed and you'll have to complain to citi about it. DONT CALL MACYS WE DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR BITCHING! Thx :)

This isn't the first time Macy's has done this. Before Citi merged with Federated, Macy's opened up Stand Alone Visa accounts for customers that had inactive Macy's accounts, and they did it in the same fashion. The program failed horribly and almost none of the stand along accounts exist to this date.

There will be no "information flip". Whoever told you that is dumb as it's just not possible to change one thing to another with the CRAs.
Citi and Federated issue all Macy's cards under DSNB. As far as I've heard, this will count as a new inquiry on your credit report, and we were told not to bring it up to customers. HAHA
Trust me, everything being done is legal, and I do agree this is a very dumb move.

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@Amy Alkon: It's too late to call Macy's about this issue. Please do not waste your time. You need to call citi for more information regarding weather or not you've been opted into this program.

The number for Citi is 1-866-510-2761.