Witnesses Describe Toddler And Mom Getting Kicked Off Continental Flight


Here’s a clip from Good Morning America in which other passengers on the plane describe the flight attendant kicking Kate Penland and her son, Garron, off a Continental ExpressJet flight to Oklahoma City.

The flight attendant’s motivation for removing the Mom and toddler is still not clear to us. Will this mystery ever end?

Good Morning America

UPDATE: Video of the Kid Misbehaving On Good Morning America. Time to call Supernanny.

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  1. frogpelt says:

    There’s about to be a flight attendant opening at Continental. Anybody need a job?

  2. enm4r says:

    Fired.

  3. hallik says:

    Wow, media at its finest. You know that this is just a mash up of words making you think that the baby and mother were all innocent. Basically put, if you have a kid, you have to shut him/her in public, or else it’s indecency towards others. You don’t have a right to let your kid start ranting wildly. These days, parenting sucks because mothers have bitchy attitudes and think that we all have to conform to her and her child’s lives, which is the total opposite.

  4. Pelagius says:

    Meg, check out this video of the mom and kid’s appearance on Good Morning America. The kid incessantly squirmed, whined, and screamed throughout the piece. Even Diane Sawyer couldn’t take it any more.

  5. SecureLocation says:

    “The flight attendant told the captain that Penland had threatened her…” Yeah, right. It’s all any airline employee having a bad day needs to say since 9/11. The flight attendant should be fired for making what was obviously a false statement. What was the mother going to do, force her way onto the flight deck with her kid’s binky?

  6. axiomatic says:

    @hallik: Read the article please. You don’t know what you are talking about. Many witnesses on the plane have said the baby was not loud, just repetitive.

    The Continental Stewardess needs to be fired, and this Mother and her child deserve compensation from Continental.

  7. SecureLocation says:

    P.S. Kids squirm. Grow up.

  8. DashTheHand says:

    Of course the mother is going to play it off like her child is the baby Jesus and that it was innocent and cute. If I was the person sitting next to the kid after about 30 seconds of that bullshit I would have been ready to throw the kid out the emergency window airlock personally.

    Parents taking children on flights, heres a personal message from me to all of you: “We hate your children. We do not want to listen to them. Even if I have headphones on, I don’t want to have your child kicking, flailing, or being insane next to me on a flight. DRUG your child with baby benedryl, keep it up ALL night so it sleeps on the plane, or bind it like Hannibal. Your children are annoying, 100%. If you think your child is as deserving as any other adult to be on the plane, I’ll kindly tell both you and your child to ‘Shut the F*@k up’ if you begin to annoy me.”

  9. dbeahn says:

    @SecureLocation: “What was the mother going to do, force her way onto the flight deck with her kid’s binky?”

    Yeah, no kidding! What’s that grocery stock-boy gonna do, hijack the plane with his box-knife and fly it into a building killing thousands of people?

    Oh, wait….

  10. icruise says:

    Do you guys think you’re funny or cool making comments like that? How old are you, 14?

  11. hallik says:

    @axiomatic:

    It is you who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I did not mention the kid’s loudness. To play devil’s advocate, I highly doubt the kid was saying softly “bye bye plane.” Knowing kids (and the mother), you can most definitely tell he was jumping up and down and saying his phrases like he was snorting sugar. Either way, whatever he does, if one person has a complaint, the mother must comply.

  12. axiomatic says:

    There are apparently a lot of Pedophobic’s who read consumerist. Especially if you look to the other threads on this story. Sad really. Especially those who say kids shouldn’t fly. Thats just not realistic, seeing as you can’t drive across the oceans.

    Stop being so self centered and share the world please.

  13. Islingtonian says:

    can we please end this? it’s not getting anywhere, just more people bitching back and forth at each other about how they can’t stand the other party. ugh.

  14. axiomatic says:

    @hallik & DASHTHEHAND: When you come up with a solution that is fair to everyone and not just fair to you, I’ll start listening. But until then, you’re being pretty insensitive.

  15. missdona says:

    @PELAGIUS

    The kid in the video you linked to is much more representative of the kids I see on flights.

    I like how the mom laughs when she talks about the “fit of the century” that he threw on the later flight. I’m sure it’s an everyday occurance to her, but it isn’t to all of us.

    The flight attendant sounds like a real class-A pill, but we haven’t heard her side of the story.

  16. firefruze says:

    I’ll have to reluctantly agree with Hallik, in all reality the mother should have taken care of her kid and while it was going to far to put her in police custody, flight staff have full authority of the plane. From personal experience I take a commuter bus very often and it just irritates me when mothers let their kids do whatever while I’m either trying to lay back and sleep or silently read a book. One time time I had this little kid constantly poking me through the back of the seat,after a while I had to restrain myself from yelling at the mom to watch her kid.

  17. sonichghog says:

    @DashTheHand: As soon as I can be assured of no sitting next to the talkitave old lady, the person with bad BO, the loud snorer,the 400lb woman, drunks, talkitave teenagers, and the seat dancers, you will also have to deal with our kids.

  18. enm4r says:

    @hallik: Either way, whatever he does, if one person has a complaint, the mother must comply.

    You smell. I would like you removed from the plane.

    You’re fat, I’d like you removed from the plane.

    I don’t like your shirt…oh wait, that one happened to with the arabic script…

    You’re white/black/etc, I’d like you removed from the plane.

    One complaint? If you honestly believe that then you’re an idiot, and I’d like you removed from Consumerist.

  19. roche says:

    I said it before and I will say it again. All children should be required to travel in pet carriers down with the luggage.

  20. bohemian says:

    The woman was flying from Dallas or Houston to Oklahoma City. It is a 3-6 hour flight depending on what city it was. Either way that is not a horribly long drive. So why was she flying? I can see people flying with small children when it is a very long distance or a transcontinental flight.

    I have kids, but I had enough consideration for others and desire to keep MY sanity that we never flew with our young kids. I would not want to subject others to hours of screaming baby or whining tantrum toddler. I also didn’t want to be the one responsible for trying to deal with solving said situation.

    I guess I just expect other people to have the same consideration and common sense. Silly me. I also didn’t take them to any restaurant I was not able and willing to quickly leave if they got cranky or out of line.

  21. axiomatic says:

    @enm4r: Right on Enm4r! These self centered jerks who want to boot the kids from the plane don’t “get it” that we tolerate their eccentricities and we are nice enough to not point them out to them either. Why can’t they tolerate everyone else’s?

  22. paco says:

    @sonichghog: Exactly!

  23. silenuswise says:

    Here we go again, baby plane article #3. Consumerist, are you aiming to jack up your comments quota, or what?

    Solution (for the bazillionth time): divide the plane into 3 sections: first class, quiet coach, and family coach. Very, very simple. Parents can stop ragging on the childless and hang out with their noisy baby-clad peers, and the childless can stop griping about baby noise and have a more comfortable flight. See how easy? Now, to the incessant whiners on both sides, how about a nice big slice of STFU? It’s fresh from the oven.

    @Pelagius: The funniest part of that video is the guy continually saying, “I have the balls! I have the balls!” Someone needs to make an audio mash-up of that plus the kid’s creepy “bye-bye plane” doom chant. See, art can come from anything!

  24. ARPRINCE says:

    @hallik: Hahahaha…I like your imbecilic comments.

  25. axiomatic says:

    Every business traveler I see always has more than one carry on bag. Lets get these jerks booted from the plane too! I mean, come on! There are even signs that say “only one carry on please.”

    (playing devils advocate, I’m a parent and a business traveler myself, just trying to exemplify how silly some of you sound)

  26. girlfriend 6.0 says:

    No one else will do it? Really?

    Okay, here it goes.

    “Enough is enough! I have had it with this motherfucking baby on this motherfucking plane!”

    :-)

  27. IRSistherootofallevil says:

    It’s a baby. He’s two years old. He doesn’t know any better. Get over yourselves. His mother paid just as much money for his ticket as you did, so turn up the volume on your iPod and get over it. It’s not like the baby was running up and down the aisle. Personally the person that yells at the mother is a bigger disturbance.

  28. Now if the kid was setting off fireworks instead of talking, he’d just be celebrating America and freedom, yes?

  29. Metschick says:

    @msb2: this is more a Deadspin thing, but – +1.

  30. Transuranic says:

    Yes, “grow up” and “share the world with everyone”, I agree; but children are born as savage animals, and their everyone-hood only develops over time.

    Children deserve a little leeway on their behavior every bit as much as I should expect their parents to be able to control them, as they mold them into eventual people I can stand to have next to me on a plane.

    I’ll do my part by not seething like an a-hole, and you parents do your part by learning how to outsmart your three-year-old, and we’ll all get along fine for a few hours.

  31. reverbandwhiskey says:

    Sigh.

    This thread will end in the same debate:

    Parents who think that they have the right to burden everyone else with their children because “that is the way that kids are” will tell everyone to shut up and deal with it.

    People who travel without children will vent about unpleasant experiences with previous flights.

    This debate goes nowhere. parents will continue to let their children act like little monsters in public, because whenever anyone tells them to shut their kid up our society freaks out and they end up on Good Morning America.

  32. @Pelagius: Sure, he whined; it’s early in the morning, he’s in this really distracting studio, *he’s* not being interviewed, and there’s nothing for him to do. Then, they give him a space shuttle to play with, it drops, and nobody gets it for him.

    I feel bad for the kid (who, did you notice, was not put in a car seat by the police when they took him away), and for the mom, who has no choice about traveling with her child, regardless of his issues. Flight attendants have seen a lot worse than annoying kids, to be sure.

  33. North of 49 says:

    its a 4 hr flight from Toronto to Vancouver. It takes 4 days to drive there. Flying would be preferable to being trapped in a car with a screaming child for four days.

  34. dbeahn says:

    @SecureLocation: PS: teach your kid to not squirm in public. It’s called “parenting”, and if you have kids, you should do some parenting sometime.

  35. dbeahn says:

    @professorjonathan: “Sure, he whined; it’s early in the morning, he’s in this really distracting studio, *he’s* not being interviewed, and there’s nothing for him to do. Then, they give him a space shuttle to play with, it drops, and nobody gets it for him.”

    Gee, stuck somewhere he didn’t want to be, nothing to do, sounds like BEING ON AN AIRPLANE….

  36. DashTheHand says:

    Theres a difference between adults that you can tell to shut the hell up and mind their own business on a plane and a child which you basically have ZERO control over because they are SUPPOSED to be under their parents control.

    I HAVE ZERO problems telling the 80 year old with no friends that was flying to las vegas to blow her nest egg to either find a magazine to read or to O/D on her pills, either way stop talking to me. That goes the same for people talking obnoxiously loud, constantly bumping me with their newspaper, or any other disturbance.

    If you don’t have the nerve to tell someone else they are bothering you and ask them to politely stop once or twice and then progressively upgrade to telling them that you’re going to break their ankles as soon as you’re outside of the airport if they don’t stop, then thats your problem. If I could lean over and tell your brat that if they don’t stop freaking out, being annoying, or kicking my seat or I’m going to toss them into traffic without the parent going apeshit (the person who should have said what I did to the child in the FIRST PLACE), then maybe I could tolerate children on a plane because guess what – Kids DO get scared of being threatened by other adults. Half the kids today don’t give one shit about their parents because their parents don’t want to be embarrassed by beating the hell out of their children in public. In reality, EVERYONE gets a smile with an annoying brat gets spanked in public, because THEY would have done it themselves.

  37. catskyfire says:

    I’ve done more flying recently, and am going to add my thoughts.

    Children’s screams, shouts, repetitive phrases etc will cut through any Ipod effort. And it sounds like, in this case, it was in the ‘no electronic devices’ phase of the flight, where headphones are useless.

    I would love it if someone who was on the flight would get their thoughts in. Was the child only in verse 11 or 12 of ‘bye bye plane’ or had it been ten minutes? Had the mother made any attempt to indicate ‘indoor voice’ or ‘that’s enough honey’? Or, one of my favorites (used by my mom on me on many a car trip), something to put in my mouth? (Gum on flights is useful for that ear popping.)


    I’m thinking that this incident is more a pointer to the greater issue of those with kids vs. those without that has risen in recent years. See the restaurant in NY that requires children to be properly behaved, or the number of books on the subject. There are a lot of parents who think they’re children are perfect, cute, and everyone should love them and give them their best (see lawsuits to get child into this activity or get that grade). And there are a lot of non-parents who wish there was more ‘seen and not heard’ to children. It used to be that those with children outnumbered those without. Now, there are a lot of adults who have no tolerance for the sticky loud child that wants to talk and touch them.

  38. dbeahn says:

    Apparently he didn’t “drop” the toy, either. He threw it to the ground in a fit:

    [www.wsbtv.com]

    “Mom Booted From Plane Goes National; Kid Kicks, Whines At Interview

    POSTED: 9:12 am EDT July 13, 2007
    UPDATED: 12:07 pm EDT July 13, 2007

    NEW YORK — The Gwinnett County mother kicked off an airplane with her 19-month old son tried to tell her side of the story Friday morning, but her son’s crying and whining drowned out the interview.

    Garren Penland, 19-months old, got so unruly during his mom’s chat with ‘Good Morning America’ anchor Diane Sawyer, co-anchor Chris Cuomo had to take the toddler off the set.

    While Kate Penland explained her child was well-behaved on the Continental Express flight, little Garren kicked, wiggled and squirmed out of his mother’s arms.

    At one point he climbed up on a coffee table and rifled through Sawyer’s scripts.

    When Sawyer handed him a model Space Shuttle to distract him, Garren flung it to the ground.

    Kate Penland said she and Garren were booted from the flight last month by a flight attendant who suggested she use benadryl to calm her son down.”

  39. MommaJ says:

    This is what toddlers do. We were all that age once and acted the same way. His behavior on GMA was entirely unoffensive–he was squirming because he didn’t want to be held down doing nothing while his mom chatted. No screaming, no tantrum. Grabbing at papers? Yup, that’s what kids that age do. A short-lived tantrum the next day? Yup, that’s what kids that age do. Children–they’re a part of life and, oh yeah, a prerequisite to achieving adulthood. So the mom should have driven for hours and hours with a toddler confined to a carseat because someone might be offended at the sound of his voice??? Let us hope that the flight attendant and posters who can’t bear the normal behavior of children will spare the world any further dissemination of their own intolerant genes and refrain from reproducing.

  40. Craig says:

    @axiomatic: Actually you’re allowed one carry-on and a personal item. This basically translates to one item that fits in the overhead bin and one that fits under the seat in front of you.

  41. dbeahn says:

    @MommaJ: No, mom should have been prepared to keep the kid quiet on the flight. With a pacifier. Or with Baby Benedril. Or some other way if she doesn’t want to “drug” her child.

    The people around her paid the same for their tickets that she did, and you better believe that if one of the adults was throwing a temper tantrum they would have deplaned the adult too.

    If this was a special needs kid, then sure, I would understand. But a regular old kid that’s acting up because his mom is raising a spoiled brat? Off the plane.

  42. queen_elvis says:

    Regardless of whether the kid was irritating or out of control, I think it’s clear that he was not a threat, which is the only reason I can think of to remove a paying customer from a flight.

  43. erika says:

    @DashTheHand: I think we know who the real child is here. Seriously. . . grow up and get over it.

  44. nequam says:

    @IRSistherootofallevil: “It’s a baby. He’s two years old.” You’re absolutely right on that. Which is all the more reason why he probably shouldn’t be flying. Except in emergencies, there is no reason to put a small child on a plane. It is uncomfortable for the child and potentially annoying to other passengers. Anyone who has ever been stuck sitting next to a parent with a baby in need of a diaper change has got to wonder why that poor child has been forced to endure a flight.

  45. Mom2Talavera says:

    I gave my daughter Rescue Remedy Sleep last time we flew.It worked like a charm!

    That mom needs to stop acting holier than thou because she wont “drug her kid”. That kids cant sit still on a large couch so its obvious he cant stay in a small airplane seat.

    and his sweater vest is ugly…..

  46. bdgbill says:

    If this stewardess is fired she should get herself a paypal account and accept donations.

    I would send her $50.00 right now for doing what I have dreamed of seeing on hundreds of flights.

    If I was on that plane I would have been cheering her on.

    “Poor single mom has no choice but to fly with her little baby” Bullshit.

    I see these “poor single moms” on planes every week. The kid(s) goes crazy and the mom gets this stupid “gee I can’t do anything about it” look on her face.

  47. dbeahn says:

    @Mom2Talavera: “and his sweater vest is ugly…..”

    lol

    He’s a brat AND his momma dresses him funny….

  48. Jerim says:

    Clearly there seems to be two sides here. The parents with whom no fault will ever be associated with an out of control kid and an apathetic parent. Then there is “everyone else” who get accused of being un-knowledgeable about raising kids. While I agree that until we have all been there, it is hard to determine what can and can’t be done with a child; I can say personally that I always cut a parent who is actually trying, some slack. What I don’t support are “I could care less” parents.

  49. @Spaceman Bill Leah: Apparently.

    She should have told him to chant “USA! USA!”

  50. missdona says:

    @queen_elvis:

    I was on a flight with a woman who was clearly going through drug withdrawal. When they turned the flight around over the pacific to drop her in San Francisco, there was not one sigh of complaint on a packed full plane.

    She was screaming, shaking and hyperventilating. I got to Hawaii 4 hours late and missed my honeymoon sunset dinner because of her; but whatever, shit happens.

  51. DashTheHand says:

    Bill Cosby: Little Jeffrey. I remember his name, not because he said, “I’m four years old,” but because Jeffrey’s mother said his name all 2500 miles of the trip.

    @erika: A grow up response – how mature of you and please don’t choke on the irony.

  52. K-Bo says:

    @hallik:
    Actually, neither side should always absolutely be conforming to the other. Both sides end up making concessions in their everyday life. Example: I want to listen to music in my apt, which has paper thin walls. I turn it down lower than I would like, out of courtesy for them. In exchange, they are nice enough to realize that I have the right to listen to music, and don’t turn me in just because they can hear the faintest sound of music coming through the walls. It’s called common courtesy, and there is a total lack of it her on this forum lately to the point the name should probably be changed to TheWorldRevolvesAroundMe.com

  53. nucleotide says:

    @Pelagius: That’s quite a contrast. Makes you wonder if she decided to take the flight attendant’s advice to drug the kid for the “Good Morning” interview. As much as I think that kicking the kid off the plane for making noise was excessive (that’s what headphones are for), if he was squirming like that next to me I’d force feed the brat cold medicine myself.

  54. missdona says:

    Furthermore, on that Hawaii flight with the drug withdrawal lady, there were 40 kids on the flight and I heard nothing from them.

    That doesn’t mean they were sitting in silence, it just means that their noise fit right in with everyone else’s.

    At the end of the flight, the flight crew asked for a round of applause for the 40 best behaved children in America.

    I was shocked when I heard that, but it shows that the kids can coexist on a long-ass (7+ hour) flight and not upset their other passengers.

  55. Xerloq says:

    It’s amusing how intolerant everyone is being on this comment thread. Interesting.
    K-Bo: LOL.

  56. Amy Alkon says:

    Intolerant? I would say that describes the mother. She’s not going to shut her kids up so other can have “a pleasant flight”? Why not? Aren’t others entitled to a pleasant flight? Shouldn’t the burden be on the one who brings the child on – to either not fly with the child or to see that others don’t have an unpleasant flight because the child is there? My parents would have told us we had to be quiet and we would have been quiet. Immediately. And if we were loud in public, or annoying to others, they would have been mortified and apologized to those people — not taken the attitude that others should just deal.

    As I once wrote in my newspaper column: “It’s a pity you need a license to cut hair, but only working ovaries to have a child.”

  57. kaikhor says:

    The 19 month old on TV sounds just like my 19 month old at home. And yes, I discipline her, for those wondering, and yes, I will admit that I even spank her bottom because my parents did it to me without abuse and I came out just fine. I haven’t seen the video (work bans streaming video…) but it does not sound like the mother was making enough effort nor that the child, as cute as he is, should be on TV. Why? Because kids at that age just don’t get the whole “sit down, shut” for that long of a period and I’ve never seen a child that age do so. Ever. It’s the age.

    I can understand the “don’t bring you kid on a plane” for short trips (I wouldn’t fly from San Diego to San Francisco with my daughter. Too much hassle for everybody, just drive the 8 to 10 hours) but for me, my family lives on the other side of the country and it’s more feasible to load my daughter and myself in a plane for 7 hours than drive 5 days, or have all 30 some odd members of my family fly here just to see her. I am willing to do my part and make it an easier flight for you. I will give her toys, baby benedryl or other sleep medicines, keep her attention and focus so she’s not too bored, and change her in the pitiful excuse of a bathroom. Now please do your part and have some understanding for the mom who is flying across country with a child who is honestly just acting like every child ever at that age.

  58. Pelagius says:

    @missdona: Those kids stole the withdrawal lady’s drugs and had spent the entire flight watching the puke-masking upholstery patterns transform and swirl.

  59. kaikhor says:

    @Amy Alkon: Wait, your the columnist on creators (and other newspapers)? Very interesting….and yes, I read your column, but don’t always agree with you (and yet, sometimes I see your point).

  60. whowantscake says:

    @ERIKA: I think DASHTHEHAND is pretty right on. I, too, hate everyone’s children while flying. I’ve seen great ideas on here: 1)business/quiet coach/family coach, 2)children travel in pet carriers in the luggage compartment, 3) children only travel in emergencies (in pet carries with the luggage)… I’m incredibly tired of parental self-righteous inconsideration. Control your effing child. Having a child does not make you special. Perhaps we could all get along through child segregation. If airlines made childless flights and fliers traveling without children on a child-infested flight could receive discounts. Just throwing that out there. Hate hate hate hate hate hate…

  61. yg17 says:

    If only putting the iPod on was that easy.

    I can’t listen to my iPod during take off and landing. Apparentely, the iPod emits some super dangerous radio waves that will make the plane I’m on and other planes in vicinity crash to the ground and burn. Or, maybe it’s just the FAA’s complete ignorance when it comes to electronic devices. I’m not sure, I have a feeling it’s the latter, but either way, I’m not allowed to use it for about 30 minutes of the duration of the flight.

    So, we have a few options here. Either duct tape the kid’s mouth shut during take off and landing, or let us use our iPods the entire time. Or, so we don’t piss off some parent or crash the plane, how about we force parents to control their kid and shut them up, and if they’re not capable of doing that, then kick them off. I know parenting seems to be a lost art in America nowadays, but hey, it’s worth a shot.

    And if not being able to control your child means you have to drive or can’t leave North America, then too bad. Why should you inconvenience 100 other passengers when its you and your kid who’s at fault here? If you can’t control your kid, you should be the one who’s inconvenienced, not me.

  62. Jaysyn was banned for: http://consumerist.com/5032912/the-subprime-meltdown-will-be-nothing-compared-to-the-prime-meltdown#c7042646 says:

    @DashTheHand:

    Is it ironic cause you’re 14 or something?

  63. 5cents says:

    She has a baby. Babies cry. How the France is that legitimate cause to be offloaded?

    To me it’s equivalent to the woman who was told to leave a restaurant because she was breastfeeding her child. This is all natural stuff, babies crying… Certainly no reason for the attendant to flip.

    Flight attendant naturally has no kids and went home to hit some blow. Tart.

    Mothers are holier than thou.. they’re mothers.

  64. Greg L says:

    “Intolerant”? The parents in this comment thread have come out several times to say “My little prince is a person just like you and paid just as much for his ticket, etc.” but somehow they aren’t bound to the same regulations as anyone else?

    You think if I decided to scream “BYE BYE PLANE” over and over for minutes that everyone would just sit there, because “oh, well, that’s just what kids do?” The kid is obviously a little brat who knows his mother won’t do anything to parent him, hence his behavior on GMA. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if his behavior on the plane was just as bad as described.

    Parents are responsible for their children’s actions, and if you refuse to parent your kid, then you should have to suffer the consequences, which in this case, include getting kicked off the flight for causing a tremendous disturbance.

  65. sonichghog says:

    @DashTheHand: Actually not. You spank your kids in public, some busybody will report you. Then your life is a reck dealing with family services for a few years. Just because of a little smack on a behind. This PC world makes if hard for a parent to actually be a parent.

    Also, If I did what you say you would do, I would be taken off the plane, not the other people.

  66. yg17 says:

    @Greg L: I think if you or me were screamig “bye bye plane” we’d have the FBI all over our ass as soon as we landed….and that’s only after being tazered by an air marshall.

    seriously….other than “praise allah” perhaps…I can’t think of a worse phrase for anyone to repeat over and over on a plane.

  67. boughy says:

    Please see the comment posted by ” TRANSURANIC”. Very well thought out. Also, yes some kids do yell and scream when held down during an interview/flight and others don’t. Please do not put others through the torture of sitting around your unruly child when you decide you want to strap him into a plane seat for a few hours. If you need to fly you need to practice with him to be good. He is two, kids can be pretty reasonable at that age if you teach them some manners. A baby, different story. I will sit next to a baby that is fussy. But a two year old who can yell, kick, and squirm and know better. No way, it is time for a long ride in a car. I don’t deal well with flying very well and get nervous very easy. Please consider my sanity before you think you have a right to F with everyone else’s life because your kid is a brat. It’s a respect thing not a law. Try and follow it. This kid is no angel and they paint a nice picture for the news. Do you think a news agency would EVER put a spin on a story backing up a flight attendant and condemning a child. I doubt it.

  68. TehRev says:

    Babies / Kids on planes need to shut their mouths and sit still. PERIOD. My niece can make a 5 hour plane ride without being obnoxious.

    From my personal experience most parents don’t’ realize their kids are being little bastards. The last flight I was on the kid behind me sitting in between his parents was standing on the seat making noise hitting my seat. When the stewardess told them he had to sit for take off they got all offended and butt hurt. When she came back she was less nice and they did. Then when she told them they had to keep him under control so he didn’t bother me they were shocked and tried to argue but she shut them down. This was all before I complained. A lot of parents are used to their kids being noisy etc and just tune it out. The rest of us are not. Just because them making repetitive noises doesn’t bother you, doesn’t make it ok.

    yes kids are people and they bought a ticket but so did the other 40 non kids/ kid’s parents and the other 40 people having a good flight is more important.

  69. s35flyer says:

    i dislike strongly screaming babies on airplanes, and the parents who put me through it. Ban them and hooray for the flight attendant

  70. Terminixsux says:

    I flew on a plane once with annoying kids, so I’m getting a real kickout these replies.

  71. acambras says:

    @Amy Alkon:

    She’s not going to shut her kids up so other can have “a pleasant flight”?

    I think she said she was not going to DRUG her kid.

  72. TehRev says:

    This is just like people taking 3 year olds to the movie theater. If you aren’t seeing a disney movie designed for them then too bad. Seeing silent hill with a bunch of toddlers behind me was terrible.

    that was off topic BUT

    A parent should be able to occupy them for a short flight. Like people have said distract them keep them up the night before so they sleep. Its not impossible like some here make it out to be. dispite what you think a kid that age CAN sit in their chair and be reasonably quiet for 6 hours.

  73. whinypurist says:

    @5cents: 5cents – I would’ve whipped out my nip for him to suckle. Seriously. On both the flight and the set. What shot do suppose the GMA producer/camera operator would have switched to at that point? (Though maybe the sound of him gulping would’ve kicked the flight attendant and mom/baby haters into an even higher gear.)

    But are all the mom/baby haters on the internet and airplanes all day? The amount of attention and comments my kid and I get – all of it positive, so far – can be kind of overwhelming.

  74. FS123 says:

    I am considering writing a letter to Continental thanking them for considering the safety and comfort of all of their passengers by removing a passenger who declined to make an effort to control her child. And also ask Continental to make it their policy to ask parents to make a genuine effort to control unruly children; a policy which would make Continental more attractive to people traveling for work. Finally, I would suggest that they train their flight attendants to be more tactful. If the flight attendant really said what was reported, it was a poor way to ask the mother to control her child.

    Is anyone else interested? A letter-writing campaign could do wonders in improving the quality of air flight, at least with regards to unruly kids and uncivil parents.

  75. ElizabethD says:

    OMG, this is a ***19 MONTH OLD*** — not exactly the age of reason. What the eff do you ppl mean by “control your child”? – bind and gag him? You have got to be kidding me: Drug my baby for your convenience? I don’t THINK so.

    I give up. Consumerist has been overrun by the childless, clueless, and morbidly self-interested. Damn, I’m glad I don’t fly wit’ any of y’all. (Because I rarely fly, lucky me….)

  76. bravo369 says:

    I hate crying babies in closed areas also. I do think the mother should have done everything in her power to keep the baby quiet. It’s the courteous thing to do. Try to distract them, give them something to do, make them take a nap…something because other passengers do not want to hear your baby talk with your child or have him running up and down the aisle.

    With that said, if the mother didn’t do that, she’s only guilty of being discourteous and does not warrant being kicked off the plane. Yes i would be extremely unhappy to have a crying kid for 3 hours on a flight but kicking them off is a little much.

  77. 3drage says:

    People need to stop having kids if they don’t know how to raise them properly to behave correctly in society. If your reply to this issue is “Just ignore them.” you are not fit to bring offspring to this world. Kindly refrain from your Neanderthal instinct and help us keep population down to a controllable rate.

  78. djsyndrome says:

    The last time I flew with my four-year old daughter, I received several compliments about how well behaved she was on the cross-country flight. On the return trip, as we were settling in, an obviously perturbed fifty-something woman leaned across the aisle and said ‘I hope your daughter can behave herself on this flight; I have a headache.’

    Before I could respond, my normally sweet and well-mannered daughter peeked over my shoulder and told her what I probably never could:

    “Ma’am, please don’t be a bitch.”

  79. 3drage says:

    @ElizabethD: If you rarely fly, you aren’t really in a position to comment on how annoying a screaming child is to the rest of the passengers.

  80. axiomatic says:

    What is most telling about the people complaining about the kids on the plane. You will never hear them talk about this one “good kid” they knew. In their eyes, there are no good kids.

  81. yg17 says:

    @bravo369: How is it a little much? Drunk people are kicked off flights for being a disturbance. I got to witness it first hand a couple years ago while waiting for my flight at LGA, the cops drove up to a plane at the gate and hauled off a few drunks. Why is a screaming child, who’s just as much (if not more) of a disturbance as an intoxicated person is, exempt from the rule?

  82. sonichghog says:

    @TehRev: I fly fairly often. If this kid was the only problem on the flight, I would of counted my blessings. I find that discurtious teens/adults are MUCH more of a problem on planes.

  83. bravo369 says:

    @yg17: Why is a child exempt? Well a grown person has control over their abilities. If they were stupid enough to get drunk before getting on a plane then that’s their own fault. A baby doesn’t know any better. Even the best parents in the world may be unable to keep a baby from crying for an entire flight. do you really think that’s a fair comparison of a crying baby to a 30 year old drunk?

  84. Thrust says:

    That whole video clip is a load of crap, without having the attendant able to comment I’d not put any stock in what she says.

  85. LionelEHutz says:

    A squirmy toddler? You don’t say.

  86. LionelEHutz says:

    @3drage: “If you rarely fly, you aren’t really in a position to comment on how annoying a screaming child is to the rest of the passengers.”

    That statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. How often does one have to fly to suddenly become qualified to comment? 3 times a year? Once a month? Twice a month?

  87. LionelEHutz says:

    @FS123: What, you can’t run an astroturf campaign all by yourself.

  88. NICKNICK says:

    What’s this “that’s what children do” nonsense?
    I mean, rapists *RAPE*, so if you get raped on a plane, “well, gosh, I guess I don’t have a right to complain because, well, that’s just what they *do*”
    Baloney. Control your kids.

    And what about the “it’s natural” defense to breastfeeding? I’m all for it, but a restaurant is a PRIVATE business and is subject to the whims of its owner. If the owner decides breastfeeding is a no-no, then guess what–it is. You know what else is natural? Defecating. Try doing that in a booth in your favorite restaurant and see how far the “natural” defense gets you.

  89. sonichghog says:

    @NICKNICK: From some of the responces here, It sounds like people would rather be raped on a plane, then hear a child speak on one.

    BO is natural too. Are you in agreement that we can kick people off planes for that too?

  90. Trai_Dep says:

    Not much to say that hasn’t already been said besides, parents, taking your kids out in the public sphere is a privilege - both for your kids and for you. It’s not a right. We’re not allowed to discipline your children (shame since some are in such blindingly obvious need of it), so the burden falls on your shoulders. If you’re not up to the task, it doesn’t mean you’re a bad person. But it does mean that your privilege to be in the public sphere with your kids is revoked.

    If you don’t already know this, then you probably aren’t as considerate – or adult – as you think you are. Work on that, okay?

    PS: obviously, well-behaved kids are AWESOME. Love seeing them around.

  91. sonichghog says:

    @NICKNICK: Look at the comments here. Being Raped sounds like it would be preferrable to sitting next to a kid that talks to some of these people.

    BO is natural too. So can we kick people off that we do not like the smell of?

  92. sonichghog says:

    @trai_dep: Thats sad. Bye Bye Freedom I guess. I suppose Freedom was over rated anyway. ??????

  93. Mary says:

    And once again, reading things on the internet has confirmed for me that people are completly intolerant, insist on others conforming to their worldview, and refuse to listen to well-reasoned and well-argued counterponits to their opinion.

    Parents: Not everybody loves and adores children and they do not deserve special compensation just for being children. They’re still people, as are all the people around you who do not know and love your young one.

    Child-less or Child-intolerant people: You do know that people procreate right? That many people out there are wonderful parents and love their children, and work with them to create the next generation of (hopefully) well-rounded and interesting people who will inherit the world from us. Yeah, there are plenty of whiney brats. In fact, I would wager right now there are more whiney brats than well behaved children. But you shouldn’t judge a child or a parent based solely on some other random person’s behavior. Grow up, treat children like people and not something you scraped off your shoe.

    A child screaming and kicking for an hour and a parent who makes no move to even say “Honey what’s wrong?” Bad thing, should be avoided.

    A toddler acting like a toddler in public and talking to himself repeatedly? Not the end of the world.

    I’d love to avoid ill-behaved kids in my everyday life. But you can’t punish or banish all of them, because that’s being just as intolerant and horrible as you’re accusing the parents of acting towards you.

    Geeze, step in the other guys shoes for two seconds. Everybody, both sides. How am I the only one who can see both sides of this situation?

  94. ArtDonovansDrunkenLovechild says:

    Over the last few years Ive done a lot more flying then I did in my early 20s when I could tolerate a little more.

    Ive also been flying into Duluth, MN, which requires a non jet or small jet (30-40 seaters). These flights are cramped and noisy, as everyone seems to be sitting on each others laps. the crying of a small child would be incredibly annoying (been there done that). But I know I can tolerate it for a couple hours.

    Saying that, though, there is a LARGE range in how kids act on planes. Ive sat next to a toddler acted like a perfect gentleman, and Ive seen temper tantrums that drive me nuts. I once even had a child spit up on me, but the parents where apologetic and I lived with it.

    I can tolerate crying, its a natural act, but screaming, running around, ect. PArents should know how to handle that issue. I was once threatened by a mother who I asked to please ask her son to stop punching my seat back (this kid was 4-5). Parents should come prepared to keep thier kids occupied and quiet. I cant imagine the “bye bye” kid wouldnt have been quiet for the time the safety instructions took if the mother had been willing to discipline/distract him. My guess is 10 minutes of quiet would have gotten them off the ground and that would have been that.

    PArents, both IRL and on this site, are being incredibly thin skinned. We arent (with a couple exceptions) saying you cant take your kids anywhere in public, just that you need to be aware of the potential problems and prepare for them. And dont get all up in arms if someone says something to you about their behavior. I dont doubt that the mother probably said something threatening to the FA. She didnt need to threaten to bring down the plane, but a simple “Mind your own business or Ill make you” type line is threat enough.

    Restaurants, Movies, Airlines are all the same. If you are going to be in closed quarters with others be prepared to discipne your kids. Ill happily chat with a three year owld at the table next to me at a restaurant for a few minutes but the second time thier fork or crayon hits me in the back Im going to say something.

    As for the breast feeding comment. I have no need to see that in public. If you want to do the subtle thing and cover it with a towel then Im all for it, but if you inist on pulling out a full breast then go to the ladies room .

    Having kids doesnt mean your forfiet having a life, I love taking my friends toddler out (they love it too). but you have to realize that your right to enjoy life and your choices on how to raise/discipline your kid dont need to infringe on others right s to the same experiences.

    And yes, I am sure that this will get me labeled a “child hater” or some such. But that isnt true, I like kids, just not when parents wont take them time to take care of them.

    OK, rant over. (I dont post often so when I do its a doozy.)

  95. mommyinkc says:

    I just want to add the following:

    The mother lives in Burford TX — that’s 4 1/2 from Houston, so she and the little guy had already put in some travel time that day. After arriving in Houston, they then spent another 11 hours at the airport waiting for their Continental flight (as reported elswhere).

    By the time they got on the plane, the poor kid had already had his routine disrupted for hours on end, probably missed his naps, and had very likely had little to no chance to run and play to dissipate energy. On top of that, he was excited to be on the plane that was going to take him to see his daddy for Father’s Day the next day. So, go figure he was saying “Bye Bye” to the plane next to them over and over again.

    I have 3 kids myself, and I don’t appreciate ill-behaved kids any more than the next person, but…come on folks. This is a 19-month old baby here and even people who were on the plane have said he wasn’t any noisier than some of the adult passengers.

    Some of you folks have really shown yourselves to be obnoxious, insensitive, and completely lacking in charity here.

  96. NICKNICK says:

    @sonichghog: Depends on how bad the BO is. Where I went to grad school there was a huge foreign population that due to “water conservation” practices from their homeland, weak currency, and the expense of school were required to live 12 people to an apartment and not shower. Add in different dietary habits, and you’ve got a funk that you couldn’t believe. If I’m compelled to leave a laboratory for fear of vomiting, then yes, BO can be disruptive enough to get you off the plane.

    @everyone else: Yes, children are people, and everyone gets a chance. *A* chance. If you can’t shut your trap, the thirteenth utterance of “buh-bye plane” from your mouth, be it 3 or 30 or 60 years old, will end our heretofore friendly relationship.

    I wonder how many of you so-tolerant-it-hurts baby-lovers could stand to be on a plane with 140 homeless people. Haven’t showered in a year, haven’t had a coherent thought in a month, drunk or in withdrawl, constantly pestering each other for quarters. But hey, winos are people too.

  97. sonichghog says:

    @NICKNICK: It seems like I may have traveled next to a few of those people that smell like they have not showed in a year, or were drunk, or asked for a quarter. (actually $5 for a drink once)

    But those people were not taken off the plane.

    This kid was not even yelling or going nuts on the plane. He just was saying bye bye plane. The kid was asleep by the time they were told to get off. The The stewartess listened to the mother, there would not of been any issue.

    I hope the stewartess does not have any kids. If she does she needs a visit from family services. If her Idea of good parenting is offering the kid a drug.

  98. DaWezl says:

    Regarding the GMA clip of the child wiggling, he’s clearly trying to look up at the lighting grid above him. That’s a very unusual circumstance, and I wouldn’t try to judge a child’s temperament based on that one moment.

    As for the plane, the key to the situation, imho, is that there hasn’t been a single passenger come forward to say the child truly was misbehaving. If the child *had* reached the hellaciously bratty stage, I would expect that at least one person would be going on air telling the world that the airline was right.

  99. eli_b says:

    As a parent, I have to say that watching that video of them on Good Morning America shows that her kid was way more unruly than she makes out. What a brat. I don’t hate kids, I just hate YOUR kid lady.

  100. clodia says:

    @meiran

    What you said.

  101. missdona says:

    Not speaking to this child in particular, but it seems like the concept of the “inside voice” is one long forgotten.

  102. EtherealStrife says:

    @roche: That’s insufficient. I can hear dogs barking down in luggage. Imagine the ear-piercing screams of one of these brats. =P
    @professorjonathan: I’m playing a violin while reading your comment, I just don’t have a webcam. In the case of this mother and child, it’s the parent (as usual) who is the animal. The kid was easily subdued by one of the people on the show, but the mother was content to let him scream out of control and be a whiny little shit. The kid doesn’t know better, because his slob of a mother doesn’t discipline him.

    As for the broader issue, I have no problem with kids on my plane. However, if the parents are unable to control them (that means ZERO screaming, ZERO kicking!), then they need to be tranqed. The kids too.

  103. kingdom2000 says:

    Ah investigative journalism at its finest. No questions asked. No witnesses found. No effort whatsoever to get the story other then to interview the parent.

    How about something as simple as how loud and for how long was your child crying? Maybe the flight attendent screwed up but so far are we have is the story of a parent that has a reason to sell her child as sweetness and light.

    I imagine though that really what occured is a very loud baby in a very small area (magnifing the sound) was crying for quite a while (cause lets face it, borading and prepping for lift of is not a five minutes proces) causing multiple complaints and as a result the flight attendent took action.

    Will we ever found out? Probably not, that takes effort and journalists nowadays only report the stories handed to them.

  104. eli_b says:

    look it’s like this. if i paid 50 bucks for a bus ticket vs. 500 for a flight, a baby crying is different. if you paid 500 dollars vs. 50 for a meal, would you not expect a little more parenting from the patrons around you?

  105. kingdom2000 says:

    Investigative journalism at its finest. Where any questions actually asked beyond the parent? witnesses? Anything? Doesn’t seem like it.

    All we have is the story from a parent that has motivation to sell her child as sweetness and light.

    I bet what really happened is a loud crying baby (cause thats what they do), a parent that couldn’t figure out how to quiet them on the plane (it happens), and a flight attendent recieving lots of complaints about the loud noise (cause planes are smaller areas and the crying would be magnified).

    Also keep in mind, the boarding process is not a five minute thing, so do we know exactly how long the crying went on? 1 minute? 5 minutes? 30 minutes? Was it occuring out in the waiting area and just carried over into the plane? We don’t know but that makes a huge difference on whether someone overstepped their bounds are not.

    The parent has no reason to admit the truth (assuming she knows as parents tend to be oblivious of their own children’s behavior) but I gaurantee there is more to this story then just a mean flight attendent. Not that we will ever know because that requires effort and the media only reports what it is given now.

  106. kingdom2000 says:

    oops, duplicate, thought the first one didn’t post.

  107. @meiran: What Clodia said.

  108. joopiter says:

    @missdona: Amen.

    @DJSYNDROME: I don’t even like kids that much, but if I witnessed that exchange, I’d be inclined to buy your kid a pony because that’s just awesome.

    As for this situation, without the flight attendant’s side of the story I can’t even begin to make a judgment call as to who’s right and who’s wrong. I really want to know if anybody else on the flight complained about the kid prior to the flight attendant chastising the mother, how loud the boy was actually being and for how long, if the mother had at some point made some attempt to quiet him… there’s just too much information that is not here. Although I am looking forward to watching the GMA video when I get home, because the irony is just too perfect.

  109. beyond says:

    This is great news! Next time you are stuck on the tarmack held hostage for several hours, enlist a young kid to repeat a short phrase loudly over and over again until they take you back to the gate.

  110. Xerloq says:

    @Amy Alkon:
    Quote: “Intolerant? I would say that describes the mother. She’s not going to shut her kids up so other can have “a pleasant flight”? Why not? Aren’t others entitled to a pleasant flight? Shouldn’t the burden be on the one who brings the child on – to either not fly with the child or to see that others don’t have an unpleasant flight because the child is there?”

    I meant everyone, as in the baby-lovers and baby-haters. Almost no one has a middle ground on this thread. No one on either side seems willing to take responsibility for their own feelings and actions. Nearly everyone thinks that they are the center of everything. That’s narcissism.

    The solution is easy: mind your own business. A talking baby is not your business. A snoring fat lady is not your business. If you feel like becoming annoyed or aggravated, be polite. Ask politely. The instant you think, “It’s not me, they should be polite…” you’re in the wrong.


    No one is polite anymore.

  111. Xerloq says:

    @trai_dep: Who’s going to enforce that? The definition of public is of, concerning, or affecting the community or the people. Suddenly, having a child, parents cease to be people?

    You obviously stayed home a lot when you were a child.

    @3drage:Hyperbole can be very effective to illustrate a point, but that’s outta line. But if we’re playing that game, I heard Doc. Kevorkian is out of jail if you want to make an appointment. Being such an advocate of population control, you’ll be the first to volunteer?

    @ArtDonovansDrunkenLovechild: I agree with you and don’t think you’re a child hater.

  112. Ok, I’ll give the kid the Benadryl.

    And a shot of whiskey.

    Then a bong hit.

  113. SmoovyG says:

    As a father of a 16 month old, I’ll say that I would gladly dose my daughter with some Benedryl for a cross country trip…if it had any effect on her. Benedryl’s not going to knock every kid out for a flight – like my daughter, a lot of them aren’t affected at all, and others get even more hyper and hopped up when dosed.

    I’m glad that people in the real world are far more understanding and tolerant than half the posters on Consumerist are regarding kids. My daughter’s a fairly well behaved child for her age, and she still manages to make the occasional scene. Luckily for me, I tend to be more embarassed than other people are upset or annoyed when that sitution arises.

  114. Trai_Dep says:

    @Xerloq: “Who’s going to enforce…”

    Whoa, talk about missing the point.

    The parent, you ninny.

    Else, yup, keep the lil’ terror at home.

    I went out a great deal as a child. My friends, with children, go out a great deal. It’s awesome to see them trying to negotiate how to deal with this thing called the world, that we adults navigate so effortlessly (seemingly). They’re light and joy and a wonder to behold.

    Because – and solely because – they (and I) was raised right. To behave. In the public sphere.

    That you don’t get this fundamental rule makes me guess which kind if kid you were/have…

  115. Trai_Dep says:

    oops. change “was raised…” to “were raised…”. :P

  116. astrochimp says:

    @ArtDonovansDrunkenLovechild: “I can tolerate crying, its a natural act, but screaming, running around, ect. PArents should know how to handle that issue.”

    So, crying = natural, screaming and running = unnatural? Now there’s a distinction I can work with. Just give me a minute while I go cripple my children so that they’re no longer perversions of nature.

    “As for the breast feeding comment. I have no need to see that in public. If you want to do the subtle thing and cover it with a towel then Im all for it, but if you inist on pulling out a full breast then go to the ladies room.”

    So, you’re telling them to suck it up; but why should their reply to you be any different? If you don’t like it, take your time machine back to Victorian England where you can live your dream of never seeing a woman’s tit again.

  117. Jesse in Japan says:

    Obviously, the flight attendant interpreted the line, “Bye, bye plane,” as meaning, “I have a bomb and I’m gonna make this plane go bye-bye, bitch!”

  118. Kurt's Krap says:

    @hallik:

    I’m quite jealous of how you managed to go from birth straight to adulthood without stopping at all to be a child.

    I hate to think of what happen if your dog has an accident in the house.

  119. Hydrargyri says:

    On a plane flight once I was in the cliche “nightmare” seat. A young child was directly behind me, kicking at my seat and saying “hey” repeatedly. Worse still, I (at the time) had no ipod, CD player, book, and far too young for alcohol. Yet, magically, two things happened. His mother made efforts — temporarily successful — to quell the child, and due to those windows my efforts at sleeping were successful, and I was fine.

    If the parent is making an effort to quiet a child, then that’s really are there is to it. Children are of course different from adults. In my opinion, the adult parent is expected to make a genuine effort to quiet the child. No matter the results, that should be acceptable. Only in some very extreme circumstances which really shouldn’t come up (the baby is screaming at the resonant frequency of the turbines, for example) should the baby and parent be expelled.

  120. Musician78 says:

    All I know is this: I don’t care for flying, but sometimes I have to do it. I certainly don’t want to deal with whiney obnoxious kids while I do it. There is a reason I don’t have kids.

  121. Slytherin says:

    @Bon Jour, Pee Wee: LOL! Ditto!

  122. MariSama44 says:

    I’m sorry but all you people advocating that mother, saying that we should shut up and ‘share the world’, just shove it. Okay? Parents today spoil the fuck out of their children, and they ignore them blatantly in public if they’re whining. I’ve worked retail for years, and I see it every. single. day of my life. Kid is crying, whining, going limp and having fits, and the mother is falling all over herself to console the kid with a positive reward. She’s giving into the childs behaviors, and that teaches the child that they can have whatever they want because Mommy will give it to them. Basicly, in phyhologial terms, thats a POSTITIVE REINFORCEMENT for NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR, which is entirely opposite of what should be going on in a good parent-child relationship.

    On the other hand, when I was a kid (meaning, old enough to walk, so a toddler) If I acted up in public…which would include whining, having a fit, or just being loud and obnoxious, I would get spanked. If I was really bad, I would get whipped on the legs with a leather belt. Funny, I only remember being hit with a belt twice in my life.

    WHY?

    Beause obviously it worked.

    If parents quit farting around and dicipline their kids like they should have done in the first place, then this wouldn’t be happening.

  123. Trai_Dep says:

    Hydrargyri -

    Agree completely (tho parents ought to know, of all people, if their spawn is an ill-mannered, hellion boor and take appropriate, preventative steps).

    Mom’s, “I’m not going to shut up my precious boy just so you can enjoy your flight” was the deal-breaker for me.

  124. Just because there has been worse behavior allowed on some plane, at some time, doesn’t mean this little brat shouldn’t have been kicked off. If the flight attendant said the mother threatened her, when in fact the mother did not, that was sleazy. But, I think the fact that the kid was going to make another 100+ passengers miserable was sufficient grounds by itself to kick them off.

  125. superbmtsub says:

    @5Cent: WTF is FRANCE have to do anything with a domestic flight?

    I hate it when ppl want to swear but use some stupid substitute instead. If you sub a cuss with another non-cuss sounding word, you’re still cussing. So STFU!

    There are many kids who are quiet or very well behaved on planes. There are the occasional hecklers (children) who want to draw attention to themselves. No. They dont deserve to get kicked off a paid flight but the parent(s) sure needs to supervise them and make a VALID attempt to quiet them.

    A kid dropped a rock on your car (regardless of any damage). Whadyu do? Walk away saying “it was just a child” or do you speak with the parent supervising the child? If the parent doesnt hold her child accountable and apologize, how would you feel?

  126. ogman says:

    Great advertising for Continental. Seriously, they looked after the majority of their customers.

    The video on Good Morning America makes it very clear that the parent is the problem. You get what you raise.

  127. ogman says:

    ‘Mom’s, “I’m not going to shut up my precious boy just so you can enjoy your flight” was the deal-breaker for me.’

    Absolutely! Somebody should really take a look at whether or not this woman should even be allowed to raise a child. I’m glad she went on GMA and showed the world what a lousy parent she really is.

  128. minneapolisite says:

    I love little kids. Whenever I’m sitting next to a child on a plane or train I always make conversation with them. They are SO excited to tell their stories to a young woman who’s willing to listen (I probably resemble their babysitter).

    However, I actually agree that a lot of parents believe the world should accommodate their children, rather than teaching their children to behave appropriately in the world.

    Unfortunately, those of us with brains between our ears can’t fix bad parenting, so here’s a tip for anyone in the unfortunate position of sitting next to an obnoxious brat–try to make conversation with them. Their conversation will be dull and might not even make sense, but it will distract them from their obnoxious behavior, and most kids’ attention spans are not long enough to return to the obnoxious behavior immediately after that. If you are lucky enough, the parent may even make an extra effort if the kid does start acting up again.

    And if a very young child is crying, give the kid a break and try to imagine what you would do if you were in pain and lacked the ability to communicate. I think I’d probably just cry my eyes out too.

  129. TVarmy says:

    @Pelagius: I want to see it, but the video does not want to open for me. Maybe it doesn’t work on Macs. Anyone have a youtube version?

  130. SaraAB87 says:

    I would agree with the majority here in saying that I wouldn’t mind kids if parents would make REASONABLE efforts to control their kids in public. Kids are entitled to A FEW outburts or unruly acts, which is normal of every kid, however the kids that are unruly ALL THE TIME are the ones that I dislike, not the ones who are nice or the ones whom parents make an effort to discipline or control their kids. I certaintly don’t want to pull the kid out of being a kid here, kids should be allowed to be kids, which means a couple big tantrums in their life, we have all done it as a kid, even kids that were raised years and years before us have found things to have tantrums over. This is normal but having a huge tantrum several times a day is not. A baby crying is also normal, they usually stop within a short while. A nice kid is extremely different than an unruly brat, and as I have learned not every kid is an unruly brat. I have met some really fantastic children and have been in situations where I would expect kids to be unruly but they were not and were extremely well behaved instead. As for talking to the kid it won’t work if the kid is an unruly brat as they will just talk back to you or tell you to go away in a very loud and obnoxious tone.

    Some parents seem to feel a sense of entitlement because they have a kid, this is what has brought on the many complaints of looking down on parents who have children or calling parents soccer moms that don’t know any better etc.. Its these parents that feel they should be treated specially just because they have a kid are the ones that are the problem. If these parents only know how much the general public looks down on them for what they are doing..

    The negative reinforcement is another point, I learned in psychology that ANY child’s behavior can be corrected or tamed within normal, healthy children. This is called parenting, if you don’t want your kid doing something, there are ways to control it or change a behavior that you do not want them to do provided you work at it. There are multiple ways to seek advice on how to change certain behaviors nowadays, so there is no excuse other than lazy parenting. Child behavior and parenting is nothing new, fighting, screaming and whining have been going on for hundreds of years now, there are ways to tame or control it but apparently a lot of parents nowadays either don’t care or don’t realize there are ways to fix a child’s bad behavior.

    But in a way society has brought this lack of parenting on itself, try spanking your kid in walmart or other store without having the 10-20 other parents around you picking up their cell phones and calling the police for a case of child abuse. Especially if you figure out that spanking is what your kid responds to and you need to do it in public. I don’t think there is anything wrong with a spanking as long as a spanking does not turn into a beating. Since parents are afraid someone will call the police on them if they spank their kid in public they are reluctant to do it even if they are a good parent that means well.

  131. maximeyocks says:

    I wish people from that flight would come forward. Did the mom make an effort to calm/quiet the kid down? I HATE kids. Yes, I HATE them and I don’t feel bad saying that. That is my right. My husband and I feel a sense of dread if there is a child within 15 feet of us. Kids step on you, touch you, yell at you and when you look at the parent like “Hey, yeah, could you reel it in?” They glare at you like you’re Satan trying to steal their baby. I agree that something serious needs to happen with separating the brats from the norms. I am more understanding when I see a mom near tears because she can’t control her kid. You think there’s hope and she won’t fly again because the turd can’t behave. But when they put their own headphones in and pat the kid on the knee while it’s kicking your back during a 5 hour flight….ARGH!!!!

  132. medcat2010 says:

    Kids on the plane are mad annoying, but then again, so are some adults. I HATE flying, so I’m always mentally prepared for the typical annoyances: crying/screaming babies, some guy next to me sneezing on my hand, some loser behind me kicking my seat for no apparent reason, someone making small talk about his/her extremely boring job. Out of the list, I think I can empathize with the babies the most; they seem to be vocalizing the same feelings I have. But I think what would piss me off more is having to go back to the gate so a kid and his mother can be escorted off the plane. This means I have to be on the plane longer than necessary. And that sucks. If we have to stop and go back to the gate, that kid had better be possessed or psychotic or something along those lines.

    And by the way, if I was on TV when I was a kid, I would freak out. All those lights and expensive-looking things…

  133. KitN says:

    Unruly kids and clueless, inept, idiot parents think they are ENTITLED to make everyone else’s life around them Hell. No dice. That kid is clearly an annoying loud-mouth of a brat and I see where he gets it from: the mother! She’s a moron that laughs at her kid “throwing a royal tantrum” on another flight yet wonders why she and her little b**tard got kicked off the last flight? Please, spare me!

    I applaud the stewardess that threw them off the plane. I hope more stewardesses do it, too! It’ll actually force parents to either do their job in controlling their kids or they get kicked off of planes. Tough cookies. Their rights end where everyone else’s begins!

  134. sciencegeek says:

    I commute to work by train. It is a 3 hour ride each way. I’ve experienced my share of babies, children and adults behaving badly in the past few months.

    I want to thank the parents who made the effort to keep their kids quiet by bringing some quiet toys, a book or some snacks. I’ve seen these parents really try to keep their kids quiet and sometimes it just doesn’t work. I know you can’t always keep a kid quiet; they’re energetic, they want to wander around, they don’t understand why they’re stuck on a train for hours. I’m fine with that.

    If you have no sympathy with the parents and kids on your flight, try not popping your ears and see how painful it is. Remember you can’t explain to a 8 month old baby how to pop its ears.

    The parents who are on their cell phone yammering while their kid screams … I’m less sympathetic. The parents who threaten their kids and then hit them resulting in the kid actually having a reason to scream … I’d like to smack the parents upside the head.

    The worst are really the people who are yelling into cell phones or using the walkie-talkie function on their cell phones – you know, where it squacks and beeps every 20 seconds. I’d like to ram their cell phones down their throats. The drunk guys who ooze alcohol stench and have the strong possibility of puking unexpectedly are also fun. 15 year old female high school students on a school trip, also painful.

  135. a_m_m_b says:

    @axiomatic:
    @mommyinkc:
    well said.

  136. Saboth says:

    To all the parents defending letting kids run around, yammering, kicking seats without consequences, and telling the rest of us to just accept your annoyances…let me bring my chihuahua on the plane for a few hours. He might poop on your shoe or make a stink…might pee in the floor, might lick you or yip at you for 2 hours. Might even bite your finger. Uh oh? You dont like it? Grow up!

  137. ElenorR says:

    I always love non-parents who seem to know exactly how a child should act in a given public place. The oft used phrase, “If it were my child…” followed by their wisdom.

    However, it isn’t your child and you frankly don’t know the situation. For all you know, the child has some serious problem and is going to Chicago to be seen by the top medical professional in the country.

    No one likes being stuck on a plane for hours on end. As adults we have learned to tolerate uncomfortable situations, how did we learn? As children, raised by parents who did the best that they could.

    I am sure if you were to ask, everyone of your parents could tell you a story about how you acted like a class A brat in public.

    Of all the comments I have read, the only constructive one made was to suggest “Family Coach” which is brilliant for flights to destinations like Orlando, FL or Washington, D.C. or anywhere else that is likely to have a large number of children on any given flight.

  138. clintb says:

    This is the same flight attendant who on a better day would have aimed her beverage cart for my knee cap – if I happened to have my leg just an inch out in the aisle.

    No worries – either, as this gal has 40 years seniority and is likely that many pounds over her original hire weight.

    I love the new America with our enabled flight nazis.