Whether or not you agree with him, you can watch Michael Moore’s documentary Sicko, which explores potential flaws in the American health care system, for free online without downloading anything. [via Stay Free!]

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  1. somehow with permission? Part 2 is up as well..

  2. JohnsRUs says:

    This can’t be legal…

    So begins the countdown for a cease and desist…

  3. banned says:

    I downloaded it two weeks ago off the internet, I’m sure that’s why permission was given. Since I live in Canada, I’ve done nothing illegal.

  4. @JohnsRUs:
    I’m not sure what permission was actually given, other than Michael Moore’s blessing that internet piracy was cool.

    He made a statement earlier that, “I don’t agree with copyright laws” (view video here) and that piracy for private use was apparently OK.

    Recently when the movie was posted to YouTube he backed down from that opinion. Some have been claiming that this is hypocrisy, I’m not so sure. I think it goes without saying that if you see it online and you like it, you should probably shell out the 9 bucks to go see it again.

    If you see it online and you don’t like or agree with him, then it’s unlikely you were going to pay money to see it anyway.

  5. DamnGn00bs says:

    Actually, Moore has given permission with his last few films for people to download it. I´m not sure, but I think he started that with Farenheit 9/11 so people who wanted to see the film but didn´t want to pay to see the film (because they hated him and didn´t want him to profit) could see it.

    I remember seeing him mention this in several interviews. His distributor may not like it, but he´s openly given permission multiple times. Hense, it´s not difficult at all to find a copy of his films online.

  6. dohtem says:

    @something_amazing:

    If you see it online and you don’t like or agree with him, then it’s unlikely you were going to pay money to see it anyway.

    This is an asinine statement. Re-read it.

  7. hc5duke says:

    @dohtem:

    If you see it online and you don’t like or agree with him, then it’s unlikely you were going to pay money to see it anyway.

    This is an asinine statement. Re-read it.

    Wasn’t that a south park episode? On a more serious note, I’d be in favor of a money-back guarantee from movie theaters. Failing at that, I’d at least like them to give me a free 10-minute online preview, like Serenity or Ratatouille.

  8. banned says:

    ” I think it goes without saying that if you see it online and you like it, you should probably shell out the 9 bucks to go see it again.”

    Why would I pay $9 to see a documentary? I mean it was good, but not that good.

  9. If the healthcare system in U.S. is so bad, why aren’t there more people commit suicide and make a statement about it?

    I hate people who whine and complain about the “injustice” or the “lack of humanity” in our society, yet no one wants to actually get up and help themselves.

    Give me a fucking break!

    If life is so terrible, there is an easy way to end that misery, get yourself a rope and hang yourselves.

    And if you want your life to end with some meaning, then paint on your body which health care system has failed you, and offer some productive solutions.


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  10. FLConsumer says:

    Watched it tonight with a few friends. Other than the heavily compressed video & audio, we greatly enjoyed the film at my place. No screaming kids, no sticky floors, no overpriced crap food, no ‘hoods on cell phones or yelling at the screen. Just fine wine & cheese, good friends, comfortable seats, and the same sound system used to master the movie.

    Probably the least political movie Moore has done. Still a few jabs here & there at Bushie, but for Moore, I’d almost say it was unbiased. I do think he failed to touch on the delays & lack of specialists which DO exist with socialised medicine. Gotta like the NHS reusing patient sheets by turning them over rather than changing them between patients. As long as you don’t have anything unusual, then it’s great. A friend of mine is a nurse at one of the London hospitals and I was invited to observe at one of the A&E departments. I will say, the ER waits in the UK aren’t anywhere near as long as what I’ve seen in the US.

    Have anything unusual or complex and the US system is better, as long as you have access to it.

    I think the French Dr interviewed is correct: Socialised medicine is a great idea…but it wouldn’t work in the USA. Look at what happened to the medicare prescription scheme. To do a national healthcare system, it’d require totally scrapping the existing system, and you’re not going to be able to get the insurance cos, doctors, hospital groups, etc. to surrender leadership to become part of the solution. Sadly, they are all part of the problem, not the solution.

    As an aside… I knew the French had it good, but never imagined they had it THAT good. Not sure if it’s worth being surrounded by French people 24/7 ‘though. In all seriousness, they do have quite a few things right over there and we could learn quite a bit. I would like to see productivity stats of French workers vs. American workers. I am thinking the French have us beat. More time off = happier workers, happier workers = more productive workers. Then again, I think many Euro companies focus on quality rather than quantity of work.

    The comment “In France, the government fears the people… In America, people fear the government” has been reverberating in my mind the whole night. This is so true. Hell, in St. Petersburg, FL, the city recently passed a few ordinances which blatantly limit freedom of speech. I fear the police in the USA, much like I would in a 3rd world country. I don’t have these feelings while in the UK.

    I wish I had a solution to offer. I know it requires the American public becoming less apathetic, but with a recent survey showing 2/3rds of Americans don’t even know the American national anthem, it’s going to take a lot of work.

    As a side note, heading into med school, I have to wonder where I want to practice. I had originally thought of returning to my “hometown” where multiple doctors and people saved my life… now I’m not so sure. I could care less about how much money I make — I want to go where I can do the most good. BUT, paying $200k+/year for malpractice insurance would severely hurt my patients, who ultimately bear that burden. Given the current climate of medicine (especially regarding legal issues and shitty Dr attitudes), I’m not sure this country is where I should be practising.

  11. RebekahSue says:

    @Tian:

    If the healthcare system in U.S. is so bad, why aren’t there more people commit suicide and make a statement about it?

    the system is so bad that i have considered it.
    let me rephrase: it’s great if you don’t get sick, if you’re rich, or if you don’t have chronic conditions.

    i am medically unable to work full time, so i’m not entitled to insurance. my health insurance comes out of my pocket 45% of my salary. without it, i’d spend more than my entire salary on prescriptions ALONE.
    because i AM able to work, it looks as though i’m not entitled to anything – even though i’ve got testimony from two specialists who say i can’t work. i’m working my way through the System now. Social Security has my application – i sent my documents certified mail – and the ONLY response i have is the Certified Mail receipt.

    i promise: if i kill myself, i’ll put your name on the suicide note, okay?

  12. FLConsumer says:

    @RebekahSue: Being “rich” doesn’t mean your health insurance co is any better off — just means you might have the means to pony up the $$$ when the insurance co gives you ye’ ol’ F-U. Even then, there’s only so much that the rich can afford, especially with the terribly high costs of medicine here.

  13. RebekahSue says:

    @FLConsumer: my guess is that, if one is “rich,” one can afford a policy that doesn’t have, for example, a two-month salary (in my case) in-network deductible (so, my chiropractor, who’s out of network, and my massage therapist, who’s not covered at all, don’t count).

    I’m very bitter, but when I look at my rented room and pitiful savings versus the medical bills I’ve paid off this year, and the ones I need to pay off, I feel, at times entitled.

    Thank goodness for my Internet connection; without it, I wouldn’t be able to earn a few extra bucks doing resumes and editing (not to mention buying a lot of the things I need online for less).